♪♪ >> hello everyone. i am here with andy, sean and tammy. welcome to this sunday show. here is what is on tap tonight. the case against trump. it is in full effect. >> a new problem develops busing migrants from texas to big cities across the country. migrants in the country illegally are calling police for

help. >> remember when actor alec waldron said he never pulled the trigger of the gun on the set of rust. new evidence contradicts those claims. >> a number of the boxes seized by the fbi during their raid of mar-a-lago contain records protected by attorney-client privilege. now president trump wants those documents back. "i respectfully request that these documents be immediately returned to the location from which you were taken. thank you". for more we turned to lucas thomason. >> republicans are calling for the fbi to release the affidavit to learn more about why the search on former president trumps palm beach club took place, more about what was taken. >> we do not know what they are. we don't know if they rise to a national security threat. >> very important long term for

the justice department now that they have done this that they show this was not just a fishing expedition. >> anyone that is not intimidated, that is not parenting the narrative is now subject to these kind of third world banana republic tactics politically. >> and attack thursday on the fbi. they have issued a new bulleted warning of increasing violent threats including placing a dirty bomb in front of the fbi headquarters here in the nation's capital. trumps lawyers claim he could declassify the boxes. the intelligence community disagrees. >> the president has no declassification authority. simply announce, well, retroactively declassify or whatever i tell cold had the effect of the classifying them is absurd.

>> thinking that it helps the former president. >> motivating his face. people rushing to his defense. feeling as if he was being picked upon and martyred. >> quite the admission who does not think trump should run again. >> wants to get to. i want to start with andy first on this. the indication that there are documents in their that contain attorney-client privilege and the trump team basically saying we want to do an independent review. we want to separate those out since you took everything under the sun. my understanding is that that request has been denied up until now. your thoughts. >> it goes to this problem where they described this case as a national security case and they had an exacting focus on national security material, but, in fact, the warrant allow them to take every shred of paper

ever generated out of the trump administration. when you do that, especially when dealing with the former president, it is bound to contain executive privilege material and a lot of other stuff that does not have anything to do with what they were reportedly looking at. again, this goes to the problem, i think, that they went from what seems to be amicable negotiations in june of last year, or just a few months ago, to death count five where they are doing a warrant. if you want evidence that has attorney-client privilege, you get the other side a subpoena. that gives them the opportunity to go through with their lawyers what they think it's privilege and then you can go through a court and hash it out. your attorney-client privileges protection from the prosecutors. the prosecutors have this stuff. that is a bell that cannot be un- wrong.

>> the process itself, so many americans criticizing the process. it was on fox and friends talking about the legitimacy of our institutions in this country. let's listen. >> the larger picture, theory quickly, is a crisis of legitimacy in this country. the progressives feel that donald trump is not a legitimate person, not a legitimate candidate, not a legitimate president, his followers not much better. conservatives believe that by the action of this government it has delegitimized itself. the fbi is not what the fbi should be. >> your thoughts. >> this is in part what got us president trump. even prior to this was the sense that there was a two-tier system of justice. something was going wrong and there needed to be a reset, in a certain sense. it was a remarkable election. hillary clinton, somebody that

was known, the system itself, no one was prepared for her loss and donald trump's win. that really invigorated the american people. it reminded them, wait a minute, we can't be in charge. no one thought that trump could win and now over the last seven years we have confirmation after confirmation after confirmation that that was correct. it is not one event, it's not that the rate at our lago, it's his culmination of things. i would like evidence reinforcing what opinions have been said there'd these things are unfair. look at the russian dossier. when you have something over and over again that reinforces that fact, that can be a good thing otherwise its opinion. it is the legitimacy of the government. he is correct about that. instead of self-correcting or being sensitive to what it is

that they are doing, agitating the american people, causing these kinds of impressions, it is not that donald trump is talking about the oppression that is made, the impression has been made and then people discuss it and it is a matter of the fbi effectively determining or calling trump supporters terrorists or people that have the -- flag are now problem, the betsy ross flag is now a problem. all kinds of things. this just reinforces the legitimacy of what happens. there seems to be no one in either party that is working to say step back from this ledge. i have not heard the republicans in charge say step back from the ledge or a moderate democrat say step back. no one is and that concerns me. >> a lot of scrutiny on the attorney general. he stands at the top of the chain of command. many people are criticizing him and saying he should not have.

>> if you go back to that statement that he made a couple of days ago, it is really instructive. i want to play the clip of that statement. pay attention to standard practice. roll it. >> the department does not take such a decision lightly. where possible is standard practice to seek less intrusive means as an alternative to a certain narrowly scope any search that is undertaken. >> it is a standard practice. he did not say that that was a practice implemented for donald trump. the standard practice if you narrowly scope any search. you look at the search warrant. they are able to search the whole house of donald trump he had not tailored to the basement or the office. also, the limitations, they did not say, hey, listen, you can take classified documents. they said you can take anything that is evidence of a crime. there was no tailoring of the

scope. it was a broad-based search warrant that goes to show that there is one standard that is for every american and there is a different standard for donald trump. i think what is happening here, we talk about this a lot. can i build evidence of a crime that goes to january 6. attorney-client privilege, what will happen is they will just leak these documents out to the press. you will see them. a very nuclear set up. they will get them to the press to smear donald trump. to make sure he cannot run against the democratic candidate. >> days later, it really seems like our intelligence has been insulted by the attorney general. to talk about a carefully targeted narrow warrant, a very exacting process before they decided and then you look at the four corners and what you have is a general warrant that has no

limitations and allows them to take anything generated during trump's presidency. the disconnect between those two things is mind-boggling. >> and it presents a danger. the congressman talking about his phone being seized. this is not just about the president. every american has to look at this and wonder. >> it feels awful. they are using these tactics to intimidate people, coerce people. anyone that does not bend the knee, is not intimidated is now subject to these kind of third world banana republic tactics, politically. this terrific overuse of abuse of the doj and the instruments of federal power. >> i think that they are also looking at, obviously they want people talking about this instead of the condition of the country. this is maybe what tipped them over the edge that he will

likely run. that seemed to be the motion. it is about the people that support trump. if they are thinking about who would be his support team, who would join the administration, who in congress will support him. who will step back because of the fear involved in everything seized. it just confirms how much this is politicized and what the agenda is, i think. >> there is a separation of power. the legislative branch. what procedures were implemented did they talk with nancy below sea or house counsel to get approval? we do not know yet and this is shocking. >> we will have to leave it there for now. responding to accusations of the reason behind it were political. a new version of the event from the white house press secretary coming up next.

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welcome back to the big sunday show. the white house is doubling down on its silence of the fbi raid on mar-a-lago. >> i cannot speak on that. it would be inappropriate for me to speak on that. i cannot comment on this. it would be an appropriate for any of us including the president or anyone in the administration to comment. >> you heard it. the press secretary says it would be inappropriate for anyone to talk about any of this, really. isn't the vice president still a member of the administration? jackie, let me ask you about this. i think you have seen this, but for those of you that have not, let's watch the vice president do exactly what everyone says you should not be doing. >> i will speak about everyone else's case. i have full confidence that the department of justice will do what the law are required.

so-called leader that engages in rhetoric that him anyway suggests that law enforcement should be exposed to that kind of danger is irresponsible and resultant dangerous activity. >> she could not help herself. going to give the generic response and she could not hit the break. what is your take much of mark. >> the company line we had no knowledge of this and we are not commenting on it, why is the vice president inserting herself and commenting on it? nobody in the administration should comment on this. it shows me just how fragmented this administration is. there has been this conversation that biden and harris are not aligned in so many ways. there is an icy relationship there. i also think kamala harris is looking for as we head closer and closer to 2024, some way to make a mark because she has not done it in the time she has been in office.

>> she has made a mark, it has just been a bad one. >> she is finding ways to insert her way into a conversation. if you have a united front, everybody should know the tagline and they should stick to it. >> the biden administration seems to be running on chaos. speaking of this, speaking about whether or not the doj has been politicized. listen to this. >> the department of justice, when it comes to law enforcement is independent. this is what we believe and this is what the president has said he had this is not about politicizing anything. that is not true at all. >> it sounds like that in and of itself is a comment reinforcing and supporting the doj when they were not really supposed to be taking positions. >> you are not supposed to talk publicly about it. the president probably should've gone on vacation. they have no knowledge of this. how do you know that it is not

political or have you been briefed about it? i think what this is the white house saying, if it involves donald trump of course it's not political. donald trump is a criminal he should have been behind bars six years ago. this is what they should've done years ago. >> at the same time, you have a clear week, possible new opposition to the new president. you think that there would be an interest in tamping down this and trying to be a sensor of leadership. instead they said we are off to the carnival, by. >> i do not really think this is a well oiled machine from the beginning, this administration had they are trying to tamp down, but there is garland speaking. he did not respond to what president trump had been saying

publicly. one thing if the justice department does not speak, everyone understands why you don't speak during an investigation. if you speak, you have to speak about what people are concerned about. he did not. kamala harris, you think would be an asset here. her background before the senate was a high-ranking prosecutor in california. one of the biggest prosecution offices in the country. she just cannot smoothly engage here. you would think that this would be an area of her expertise. i do not think that they have a very organized response. >> it is very interesting. that is what the vice president should be able to do. step in when the president can't two politically hot. this confirms a bit. if they step into this because it does seem political, it will hurt them somehow. with this chaos that the american people are also seeing,

do you think the background as a prosecutor is maybe less relevant here than the fact that she was supporting black lives matter and funds to get people out of jail and all of that. she has been very involved in very specific on certain issues. this kind of a case seems to be creating a word salad. >> that is a great question. hard to know what is exactly going on in her mind. so many of them are a word salad. i got the point that she was trying to make in that statement but was it the most coherent way to address it if she was going to step in for him. it's interesting to see how she will play her cards going forward. i get the impression that she has the odd man out. the easter bunny sent joe on conversation. did not send her the message. >> a big split between the president's office and her office and they just simply do not talk which of course is not good for the country or the

world at this point. next, the main stream media. we don't even know what the facts are yet. the media bias is in full effect and we will break down why they are wrong. ♪♪

♪♪ >> welcome back to the big sunday show. great intro using. the search raid of mar-a-lago. it is "strong". the espionage is not the strongest case against trump. it lays out a case against trump. "if they decide to press forward with charges, the case looks quite strong. if they can establish trump was

behind efforts to obstruct the investigation they may very well charge him". andy, so, tell me about how a press reporter that has not seen evidence of any of this material can talk about the strength of a case against donald trump. give that one to me. >> you take the evidence that you know and you put it into a pile. if you push it over here -- [laughter] that is pretty much what you are seeing here. this is a very difficult case for them. in part, this is because of the hillary clinton nonprosecution several years back where they basically said, and i took great issue with this at the time because it's not what the statute said, you have to prove she had an intent to harm the united states. when it was pointed out to jim comey, no, that's not what the statute said, they pivoted to

this being such an unusual charge that if we prosecuted her it would be an unconstitutional selective prosecution where she was not getting equal protection of the law. it is very hard for them to take a different position with respect to trump. well, we have a two-tiered justice system. just because she did not get prosecuted does not mean she won't go after him. here they have a problem that they did not have with hillary. you are dealing with the one official in the government that is de- classifying information. they like humiliating former president trump with this raid saying he has all this information down there that he should not have. prosecution is a very different thing. i think that they have a big problem with that. they can play offense if they go

to congress. if you go to congress and say we need to fix what president prompted here, they can have a field day talking about them. you actually have to prove the case. even in washington. >> we just cannot have due process in congress. >> it seems like the media has a short memory. donald trump behind bars. all of these predictions about russian collusion. they were wrong. they don't seem to remember the false stories that they put out there. >> well, they don't. they are running on emotions. they have a narrative and a plan and they are sticking on that. in their mind they have been successful. donald trump is not the president. all of this may have going on,

people are afraid, pinning trump's loss on exactly what we were saying even though it was all false, well, he is gone. bureaucratic state running the country so it must work. that is what happens when any of us operate on an emotional basis. we also forget what worked and what did not work because we are still focused in the moment on the shiny see once again and you revert back. if the best way to approach donald trump is to paint him as a traitor and spy in criminal, why would they stop now? this goes on the same road in and of itself makes americans question, well, there is a narrative to this. that is where others in this government, as i mentioned before, should be stepping up no matter what they think of donald trump. they can loathe him. persuade people.

those on the left cannot persuade anymore. that is why you have to arrest and disappear and erase from pictures. trump retroactively saying he is declassifying things now. that is never been asserted. if he is not the one packing the white house out. he is a busy guy. i think that that is that we are that are happening. >> all of these outlandish things that do not tend to be true. do they get concerned about the credibility that they have with the american people? >> i'm not really sure that they do. to add to this, they are supported by the democrats. when he comes on and makes this statement about the declassification or something he does not at least know right now , the threat of the

narrative, they are getting the american people to believe it. i just want to make this other point. they have a slamdunk case. part of the reason they ramped up the warrant to go from zero- 60, they thought that he would not comply in the future. it was not that he refused the request or he was not turning over something that he should have, it was based on the assumption that he would not do something. and the court of law, i am not sure that that holds up. >> i'm not sure the investigation is classified information. they are talking about constructing a different investigation. >> a left wing. migrants in the country legally threatening to call police for help. the new call for the country as a border crisis continues to expand.

♪♪ >> welcome back to the big sunday show. fox news witnessing more than 500 illegal immigrants coming across the border this morning alone including this huge single group of 290. dozen of migrants arrived from texas this morning as the surge along the southern border forces fed up governors to send them north. here is another problem developing from those buses. the migrants in the country legally threatening to call the cops for help. the new york post reporting "some of the passengers on the new york round bus became upset when the driver announced a change in the itinerary pleading for hours to make the plan to stop. many had plans to meet

relatives. the state of texas gave them envelopes. the busted stop in chattanooga. i was looking today, getting prepared for this. how we used to deal with illegal immigration. when the country began, the assumption was that the state governments would police their internal territory and the federal government had almost no territory over this whatsoever. >> i just wonder what happened. you take something that is a state responsibility and then it goes off the rails and they take the position in washington that the states can't do anything about it.

is this a federal state problem? or is it running amok? >> you see it in a certain way. actors involved and what that is clearly, this has been a problem for the last 50 years. this has been ranging from governor and then president reagan and the promises to build a wall and secure the southern border which never occurred. you see this game back and forth democrat and republican presidents. they know that this has been a problem for a long time. there is a an interest at the federal level when it comes to redistricting how you get power. yes, voting, the nature of the worker framework, wages. has america, we are a nation of immigrants. this is not far off from how we view ourselves. who would not want to come here.

the problem becomes it goes off the rails. when you have a bureaucracy so big it does not know how to handle this. real peoples lives are at risk. some viewed the migrants as being children somehow. these are strong hearted people. longtime cultures that they have to flee their own home which is horrible. these are not babies. simply because they are not white. they speak a different language and they come here and often thrive. a ceiling of keeping thousand of visuals down. americans are being kept down. it is a federal issue because of federal interest. states of course and become overwhelmed because the other existing economic problems. everybody loses in the migrants get pushed off to the side and harmed even more.

sex trafficking, drug trafficking, the communities, if they end up homeless. >> trying to stay on top of this if the federal government runs this, the state has nothing to say. i think that we have something from kathy hogle. governor of new york. okay. i just did a tour of upstate new york. i walk the streets of manhattan. i walk the streets of alban he. now it is all peachy. >> stop paying people to stay home. i disagree with you a little bit. strong hearted people. some may not be. we are not vetting the people that come into the country. good people, bad people. some should get in, some should

not. my frustration, maybe this goes to your question, you have states that have no control over the border. >> paying for the schools and hospitals and housing for migrants. liberals love this policy. just like they walk to defund the police but not in their neighborhood. they want to let criminals out of jail, but not in their backyard. they have policies and philosophies. great for everybody else, but not themselves. let people in. we should let them know who they are, are they going to work or suck off the system. >> this is good for our economy.

so at on this issue. taking on mayor adams who called this a sanctuary state. not wanting them to come here. at least that is what he is saying right now. i agree with you. the help wanted ad. it is not necessarily because we have a labor problem. they are getting things like in the inflation reduction act. if they stay home long enough the government will help them where they don't have to return to work. >> i am glad we are able to solve that. [laughter] alec baldwin says he did not pull the trigger on the rest movie set. there is no evidence that contradicts that claim next. ♪♪

welcome back to the big sunday show. a new forensic report that alec baldwin did in fact pull the trigger when he shot and killed on the shot of rest.

remember what he said last year. >> i am not going to pull the trigger. can you see that? can you see that? can you see that? i let go of the hammer of the gun and the gun goes off. >> now we have this from an fbi forensic report are obtained by news. the gun could not be made to fire without pulling the trigger the working internal components were intact and functional. andy, i want to come to you first. many people question why alec baldwin sat down to do that interview in the first place. contradicting how that gun would need to function. this investigation in general. >> whether it is politics or celebrity, you know, in a normal situation a lawyer would always tell the client, don't speak because we do not want to get

locked in until we see what the government has, what the government is going to do. if you're politics and celebrity you have a higher interest to be public then you do a normal criminal justice situation. and a lot of them get pushed into making statements they should not make. i don't think they get that lawyer advised they just decide this is more important. >> i hate these cases. i spent many years prosecuting real criminals. terrorists, fraudsters. basically designed for intentional wrong spirit we have a very elaborate civil justice system for a lot of other wrongs including tragedies. it is hard to get across to people that every tragedy, every awful thing that happens is not necessarily a crime. they did not necessarily mean to

violate the law. >> first up off, we talk about -- everyone wants to be on camera. do interviews. did alec baldwin know there was a round in the magazine? what information is there? again it goes to the idea that liberals think that guns fire themselves. not human involvement with the gun. i operate, it does not operate by itself. for a long time, conservatives have said that is not how firearms work.

>> this is that guy that is handled and protected by hollywood for a very long time. clearly a famous man. a producer of that film. responsibilities of what that looked like. it was a trouble set. the issues of safety. a low-budget dynamic. all of these things come into play financially, lawsuits, the family of the killed woman. the injured director as well. this bullet hit two people. this is what they expected to have happen, et cetera. we are saying guns should be banned entirely. the issue becomes if you have the right security, this should not be happening in the first place. >> it's not a law enforcement

problem. >> that is the debate. do people like in hollywood, robert lake, o.j. simpson and others because they are famous, because they remain in front of the camera, they do sometimes get a pass in general. that is something our culture has to deal with. >> i'm not a fan of alec baldwin. >> neither am i. lord knows. >> you look at the pain that the man is going through. >> you also want the prosecutor to check what he thinks of the politics at the door. >> we've got to leave it there. stick around. the big four is next. ♪♪

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>> welcome back to the big sunday show. it is time now for the big four. the stories everyone will be talking about this week. president biden set to sign the $430 billion inflation reduction act this week. the largest climate package in history which many say will not reduce inflation. just is bad for americans. new studies outside the regular deficit that we've had in a regular budgeting with this said in a strange and. this will be horrible. green new energy.

bad for america. >> it does the opposite of what they are saying. just to be clear about that. new york democratic congresswoman spoke with the editorial board on whether or not president biden will run for the reelection in 2024. off the record, he is not running a good in. on the record, no, he is not running again. he is a one term president. he will be too old to do this job. essentially, we can see the signs. some cognitive signs, some physical signs that i made it hard for him to go this far. >> financial services in the house. she is a democrat and she does speak or bind. >> everybody needs to learn what off the record means. that needs to be agreed to before you even carry on.

>> the same thing was set on the record. >> the first one he is not. [laughter] >> all right. the world is a dangerous place. congressional delegation visits taiwan lesson two weeks after china stages a series of military drills in retaliation for house speaker pelosi visit to the island. while these visits are all well and good about the biden administration has signaled confusion with how solid our commitment is to taiwan. quietly disclose the visit until it was clear she was going to go. china is responding to these visits with aggressive military exercises and belligerent rhetoric. strong administrated leadership in a more robust military presence is what we need in that part of the world right now. what i worry about is are we ready for the degree to which we are provoking the chinese

government? i don't know that we are. >> we saw this delegation landed in taiwan. that is the way these visits are supposed to happen in congress. nancy pelosi's trip was leaked. i think that that is compliments of the biden administration. >> already. my turn. >> yes. what should be good big news but maybe will not be. rescuing an adorable dog that has been missing for two months. the owner thinks that abby got swept away with some floodwaters and got swept into that cave and was in there for two months. obviously totally scared, but she is now recovering. she was thrilled to see everyone with their headlights on and she is now home and doing much better. that is a kind of news we need to see much more of. >> she was tiny. she was just tiny.

a 13-year-old dog survived in a cave. >> and i say what she said in the break. she needed a little bit of hugging. the wrong animal got the crazy honey. that will do it for us. we will see you next weekend. john scott will start right now. thank you so much for watching. ♪♪ >> a congressional delegation rise in taiwan. less than two weeks after house speaker nancy pelosi defiant visit to the islands. i am john scott and missus fox report. the group includes massachusetts democratic senator and four house members. much more on the unannounced trip just ahead. sources tell fox news that some of the documents seized during the raid on former president trumps mar-a-l