>> we'll all over social media. love of to connect with everybody. will: thank you so much. this was amazing. >> hang for having me. pete: hacked be the fox and friends weekend -- you should set up a residency. [laughter] you the man. >> thank you so much. pete: have a great saturday, everybody. we'll see you tomorrow morning. ♪ ♪ neil: all right. and after that, this: the sucker punch that was seen across the nation. a career criminal back in police custody, and within hours back in court. now many are demanding to know why he was released mt. first place. former new york police commissioner howard safe fir is here on that. plus, a motion could come any moment from donald trump's legal team claiming that his rights have been violated. where's all of this going? we'll ask. and the migrant buses keep

coming and coming. new york city officials fuming at what is a top republican initiative right now to try to spread the, well, the immigration problem and the border problem and let others know what it's like. we'll hear from the house homeland security top republican, because john katko is here and only here. welcome, everybody, neil cavuto. my thanks to my buddy, david asman, so ably filling in for me. i am here today and so is alexis mcadams. >> reporter: hi, neil. a very close eye on. new york's governor actually stepped in after the convicted sex offender walked free which people got lyft abdomen here in new york -- livid about. he knocked an innocent guy unconscious. so governor kathy hochul said this was a clear violation of his parole and says she told police to arrest him again. >> i took action in my if own

hands. i directed the department of corrections and community supervision to immediately examine whether or not this parole violation occurred. yes, it did. you could tell it occurred. this was a person on lifetime parole. >> reporter: yeah, lifetime parole and let out just hours hater. this all comes after investigators say the 55-year-old was caught on camera punching a man mt. back of the head. -- in the back of the head. walked up behind the guy, put on some gloves and hit cortez so hard, he laid lifeless on the ground until police showed up. he's in a coma with a fractured skulker neil. the nypd charged him with attempted murder, but the bronx d.a. reduced the charges to a misdemeanor for assault and is harassment which allowed him to walk free without bail. video obtained by the daily mail shows bronx criminal court before he was let go on thursday afternoon. according to governor hochul, a new law that took effect in may

gives judges discretion to set bail for someone who is a violent criminal. he's got a rap sheet, man, that dates back to the '90s. back in '95, he was convicted of first-degree sex use and -- abuse. he was also paroled in 2019, he's a register thed level iii sex offender and the most serious designation for that charge for sexually abusing a 17-year-old girl according to authorities. so he's expected back in court today, neil. the bronx d.a. continues to investigate this case and says now more charges could be filed, so we'll keep a close eye on what happens in court. neil: thank you for that. meanwhile, a read on the significance of this because you might know there's a competitive nature to this. howard safir, always good to see you. what do you make of this case in particular? it's just the latest. i, sadly, don't think it'll be the last, but your thoughts.

>> it's the just one of many. what's happening, neil, patrick moynihan described as -- [inaudible] and what's happening now ask that's happening all over the city. this is one of many cases. the sad thing about it is all of this is fix bl. there's a road map that's very easy to follow. first, governor hochul has to change the bail law, remove district attorneys who don't charge the proper crime like in case where it was reduced to a misdemeanor. you have to give police the ability to question, stop and san francisco ifing, which is the -- frisk, which is the best tactic to reduce crime and get guns off the street. i had 42,000 cops. we did it with the 42,000 cops because we had the backing of the mayor and of the public. that's not happening here. you also have to restore qualified immunity to cops so they don't worry about their future or their families every

time they go out on the street. that's just some of the things to begin with. neil: what has changed since your days? i can understand that things are a lot more lenient and that restrictions on letting people out of jail have been lifted to the degree they couldn't afford the bail with, i get that. but this guy basicallied had a rap sheet as long as my arm. there's got to be exceptions to that. i understand that those who agree on the release say they're just following what is the existing law. why can't they intervene to the extent -- i know what the standards are here, but this guy is dangerous, and i will not honor it. why does it take the new york governor, herself likely only responding to the pressure of a lot of people responding to this video that's been seen hundreds of times across the country? why does it take that? >> it takes political will. it takes the governor actually doing something substantive, not doing something -- one thing in this case. neil: but can someone below her

level do that, commissioner? that's what i'm wondering. if you're the judge or the magistrate at the time and you're looking at, all right, i know what the guidelines are, but forget it, i'm going to make decision and overrule those guidelines? can he/she do that? >> no. under the current law, they can't. and also, you know, when you have a district attorney who looks at somebody who commits a violent felony and reduces it to a misdemeanor, you're basically serving the message to criminale to criminals you don't have to worry about cops, about going to jail. and that's the big difference from when i was police commissioner. when i was police commissioner, criminals feared police. they knew if they carried guns, if they committed assaults, they would absolutely end up in jail. and we had district attorneys like bob morgan thaw who made sure hay went to jail. right now we have leftist district attorneys who are more interested in the perpetrators than the victims, and it's terrible. it makes me really angry. neil: yeah.

because, sadly, i mean, thank god for videos, as awful as they are because they do remind people what's happening right at their doorstep and in the city and neck of the woods where you wouldn't expect it. that's become rather routine in not only new york, but so many cities. howard, thank you for joining us today. i always enjoy talking to you. i appreciate it. >> good to be with you, neil. neil neal all right, in the meantime, this is among the reason why so many are concerned about people getting back to work, and you know particularly in the banking arena a lot of the big bosses there saying get your fannies in five days a week because the whole covid thing is over. unfortunately, the crime thing is not. now, goldman sachs' ceo david solomon seems to have done a 180 saying he understands safety is an important issue for workers and understands as well why so many don't want to come in or come in that often and in the amidst an environment where apple is demanding three days a week for workers. but a lot of those -- where

those apple offices and/or stores are, because a lot of them are in crime-infested areas. let's get the read on the significance of all of this with gary kaltbaum, ann berry and victoria fernandez, crossmark global investments and marketing strategist. welcome to you all. gary, to you first. i mean, you were telling me a long time ago it's not covid, it's crime. and that is what's giving people pause about returning to their offices, and then they see an incident hike this where a poor guy out of the blue is sucker punched and still lingers in a hospital getting treatment and wonder there but by the grace go i -- so what happened? >> the number one to be job of a government is to protect the citizenry, number 2-10 is the same. and i just think when you're an employer right now, you have an uphill battle. and when you're an employee, you

basically care about your safety. and when you just see what happened -- by the way, this is not a one-off. there's a lot of that going on throughout the country, and this one just stands the out bigtime. ask you go to your employer and say, look, i care about my life and i have to to take the subway and i'm reading every day about somebody being attacked on the subway, that's where it's very tough to argue with that -- that's why you're seeing people stand up and say i'll come in, but maybe two days a week, maybe three, but enough's enough. and i think, you know, the culture change because of covid but now because of crime. and, by the way, it's not just new york city. the daily mailed had a big article about other downtowns that are down 30-40% in activity. and by no coincidence, crime-ridden. and until that changes and until somebody gets tough on these cities, i think it's going to stay the same way. people will be working from home. neil: you know, ann berry, we're

showing those statistics about the surge in crime here. we talk about an 8.5% inflation rate, but the crime rate in a lot of these cities is double can or triple that depending on the crime. robbery, close to 40%. burglary, 32%. i could go on. it's dwarfing whatever is happening on the price front. so this is kind of a life and death concern. i think that makes it much more of a significant game-changer. and, i dare say, for the economy as well. what do you think? >> that's correct. the real chicken and the egg situation here because in order to -- crime prevention particularly in urban areas, it's the -- of people,st the vibrancy of having eyes and ears on the ground that help to insure that there's a safe environment. and you've got a real problem right now not only with employees not going back to the office, but the knock-on effect of ricochet, small businesses in the area which add to that

vibrancy. and you've got huge tracts of these urban areas that have become almost ghost towns. and if that's -- [inaudible] so i think in terms of employees getting back to work, i think we have to remember employers in these cities are also part of the urban communities. they're incentivized and motivated to being part of the solution, but part of that is whether it's hybrid or -- [inaudible] it's getting density of population back into these downtown office areas to make sure there is a preventive way to tackle the crime issue. neil: it could have a 180 effect, vick toe ya, on -- victoria, on where people work. this is a nationwide problem, but it's certainly mostly in these urban areas, particularly large cities. so what happens now? what do you think? >> yeah. i mean, neil, look, we saw all through covid people moving because they had the opportunity to work remotely and finding places where hay really wanted

to live. and now that they're asked to come back to the office, possibly they're having to look at this and say, wait, where do i want to go? look at these crime rates. i'm here in houston, so it's a little bit of a solution because we drive so much that we're not really out walking like you see many a city like 23450eu. yet i have a daughter who i'm about to take to college in a week in new york city. and i see these videos, and so i i think it's not just people going to work, it's your regular citizens, it's the college students that are walking from classes to their dorms. it's a widespread concern as to the safety of individuals right now. and it does make a difference on where people live. look at the migration that we've seen in my state of texas and to florida over the the last couple years. and i think crime is -- and safe city the -- safety is one of the things that is driving that. neil: the so-called sucker

puncher, again, he's back in jail right now at the behest of the governor who, to maybe all of our guests' point, did respond to the public pressure after seeing these videos. i know a lot of you who see these videos get tire of it, but sometimes when a lot of people say, oh, you're exaggerating it, by showing those crimes to let you know that it's real, alive and, unfortunately, not so well. keeping you posted on that. also keeping you posted on waiting for those documents or at least what justified the raid on donald trump's florida home last week. now, be careful what you wish for though, because some of them could be heavily redacted. that one on the right is an example of the mueller report when it first came out, heavily redacted, which means heavily blacked out, which means incomprehensively unable to read. after this. herwin-williams.

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neil: all right, maybe by the end of next week we will mow exactly what was behind the raid on donald trump's florida home at mar-a-lago. the judge in that case, the same judge who wrote up an affidavit that allowed that raid, is going to see what can and not be given to the public here. but you might want to be careful what you wish for, because it could be heavily redact canned by the justice department. redacted social hi means crossed out and usually in black, so it's impossible to read. on the right side of your screen and for those who are listening to me i can just relay, it is very analogous to, for example, the mueller report when it was first released. it was virtually all redacted, all blacked out much as early copies of the nixon white house transcripts were at the time of the watergate affair. now, in time, in months and in years, the redactions were fewer, the blacked-out copy was fewer, and now you can go and find out exactly what was in the nixon transcripts, and actually, you can listen to them at nixon

library. of course, the mueller report, much the same. it has been heavily now unredacted, but still a large portion of it blacked out for the public not to see. so is that what we can be looking at here? to john yoo, former deputy attorney general of the united states, law professor. john, i love talking to you this past week. the first thing i want to try to learn from you is this issue of released report that might be a redacted report. is it really such a big deal if it's heavily redacted? if it's heavily blacked out? >> great to be with you again. it does look to me like there will be significant redactions, and this is why: usually, affidavits like this are not produced while the investigation is still going on because the search warrant itself, which we have seen, just tells you what you're allowed to look for. it's the affidavit explains to the court why the government thinks it's necessary. and so what you're likely to

have in there is confidential informant information, so, for example, there's rumors and gossip out there that there's a confidential informant inside mar-a-lago who told the fbi and the justice department that they saw documents being moved in and out and where exactly they were. so the government will probably redact everything related to that person. the other thing in the affidavit that would probably be redacted is the nature of the ongoing investigation. why the justice department went to these lengths at this time to take the unprecedented, first of its type search of a former president's house, what crimes they think they committed. now, i think what's likely to happen is that justice is probably going to overredact. it's still up to the judge here to decide what to allow out or not, not the fbi. neil: so, john, mt. meantime, we're hearing that donald trump and his legal team will be responding to this and presumably addressing whether this was a violation of the

fourth amendment on exactly how far you can go searching someone's home. and this was the concern of our founders way back in the 1700s, but just quoting it here, the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers and effects against unreasonable search and seizure shall not be violated, no warrant shall issued but upon probable cause supported by oath or affirmation and particularly describing the place to be searched and the person or things to be seized. that's what that amendment's all about. it doesn't say no to such searches, but i think what you're saying -- they're saying is you have to have a pretty damn good reason are. do you think this was a pretty damn good reason, that it was the justified and that the government then has to prove that this was justified? >> yeah. the problem here is that the search warrant was so broad, it may not fit exactly crimes hat government says it thinks are likely to have happened.

so the government has been saying and the search warrant says the crimes that they think happened is that president trump took documents involving national defense secrets. he's no longer allowed to have these after he's president and kept them in an unsecured facility. that might be true. there's probable cause that that might have happened. we can actually see the documents, the government can prove that by saying here are the documents. they can actually -- and i think they should -- produce and release some of the documents they found -- neil: well, john, what if some of those documents end up not being justified with the stuff they got from the raid? in other words, much like the search for weapons of mass destruction in iraq are, for example, the intelligence seemed ample and justifiable at the time, but it didn't turn out to be right at the time. could this be a case like that? >> that's a great point, neil, because the warrant itself says you can find, you can take and search for any document that was produced by president trump

between the years of his, during the years of prison -- his presidency. that's a much broader category than those that they're looking for in the search warrant. that's what we want to see. neil: got it. john, thank you very much. john yoo following these developments. and, again, we'll keep you posted what the trump folks have to say on the fourth amendment. keeping you posted, meanwhile, on a big admission by mitch mcconnell about republicans and hair positive pebts, after this. they're banking, with bank of america. look at this guy. he bought those tickets on his credit card and he's rackin' up the rewards. she's using zelle to pay him back for the hot dogs he's about to buy. and the announcer? he's not checkin' his stats, he's finding some investing ideas with merrill. and third as you know in baseball means three. digital tools so impressive, you just can't stop banking. what would you like the power to do?

>> probably a greater likelihood the house flips than the senate. races are just different. they're statewide. candidate quality has a lot to do with the outcome. right now we have a 50-50 senate and a 50-50 country.

but i think when all is said and done, we're lakely to have an extremely -- likely to have an extremely close senate, either our side up slightly or their side up slightly. neil: all right. i want you to think about what mitch mcconnell was saying and hearken back to a time where the folks were saying something similar about odds, about the odds this i'm of republicans taking -- this time of republicans taking back all the congress, including the senate. almost like the odds of george foreman easily retaining his heavyweight title when he was fighted muhammad ali back in 1974. i remember that particular fight. ali, if memory serves me wight -- right, was a 30-1 underdog, and foreman was just going to destroy him. it didn't work out that way. it didn't work out that way at all. i could tell you about the baltimore colts who couldn't lose to the new york jets. they did. i could tell you aunt hillary clinton who couldn't -- about

hillary clinton who couldn't lose to donald trump the, she did. sometimes it takes a mitch mcconnell to come out and warn fellow republicans it's not a slam dunk that we're going to win this fight. we could still get knocked out ourselves. right now we've got sara westwood of the washington examiner. what do you make of, essentially, the message that mitch mcconnell is sending as much to his troops as to the nation? we're not taking anything for granted, in fact, we think this one's going to be an uphill fight. >> that's right. i think that is the message he's sending of don't take this for granted. you might have thought it was a definite possibility months ago, but now this is something that the republicans actually need to work a little bit harder for. so part of his messaging might be gearing up voters and supporters to make sure they turn i out at midterms and make sure they're not taking for granted, and part of this might kind of be preparing people.

he's speaking a lot about electability, and when you're looking at -- looking at the senate map and saying herschel walker in georgia, ron johnson trailing in wisconsin, blake masters trailing behind mark kelly in arizona, you know, i think he's preparing people for what could be not such a shoo-in for republicans come november. neil: what do you think of that, sara? because it comes a amid the trends that have been changing a little bit, even the sort of nameless preferences when folks are asked whole you prefer, republican or democrat in congress, and now democrats this past week lead by 4 points. as you've often reminded me, and rightly so, polls and sentiment surveys swing widely. i get that. but it is something that we're seeing more of now, these surveys. now, could be some of these big legislative victories that the president and democrats have enjoyed, it could be the whole roe v. wade decision from the court. what it is, but something seems

to have changed the math a little bit. what do you think? >> yeah. i think that's wishful thinking on the part of the dems least in the house they're going to avoid pretty significant defeat. and not just because of if you looked at president biden's remuscle ratings -- approval ratings, they're still incredibly low. it's really going to be impossible for some of those democrats on the bubble to outperform biden by -- neil: so what you're saying at least in the house, i mean, hopeful gains republicans of up to 40 seats, that could still happen, but maybe it will be a lot less. but they, as you see it, still take the house. >> right. i mean, they only have to move the needle just a little bit, you know? about half dozen seats or so, to take that majority. and because of redistricting, you know, that helps republicans in some of these states where they're swing districts, you know, that is a really likely possibility. i think in the senate, like alex

said, the candidate recruitment is not what republicans wanted it to be. they didn't get their top picks in new hampshire, in pennsylvania, herschel walker is struggling, a lot of others. that might still stay in democratic homes -- hands, but a majority in the house will significantly alter the democrats' ability to get anything done for the rests of biden's term, so that's a hopeful sign for republicans. neil: alex, the senate math is a little different. sarah was touching on that as well, it's a little harder because there are more republican seats at stake here to do that in the senate. but what is interesting is maybe people are getting or feeling better as the economy shows some signs of at least coming off the real lows here. that might be just a bit too presumptuous, and there is a delayed response when you talk to people about how they feel. if they still feel pretty lousy with the surveys that i've seen. again, that could change. i don't know if it changes enough in time many november, but what do you think?

>> right. it's all about the timing at this point. you know, the biden administration and democrats are, of course, going to the to use the next three months to keep pushing that, you know, inflation's getting better or gas prices are getting a bit lower than what they were before. and hen when making -- then when they can contrast it to the chances of republicans taking over the senate are really resting on these nominees are trump-picked people. and so can democrats kind of just blame as a would an independent or more moderate republican want these people or do things like the overturning of roe v. wade, like you mentioned, really turn those voters off to republicans or even this trump-fbi investigation turning voters off. i think those are things that they could snag some moderate republicans or swing voters, independents over to the democratic side about. of course, it's up to we'll see

how many they can actually turn. neil: yeah, way too early. pendulum swing, but that is a good rule of the dice, just don't get too cocky. we'll see how it turns out. in the meantime, yet another bus arriving in new york city filled with migrants. do you ever wonder where those migrants go after they get off that bus? you'll be surprised. family is . with models that fit any lifestyle. and innovative ways to make your e-tron your own. through elegant design and progressive technology. all the exhilaration, none of the compromise. the audi e-tron family. progress that moves you.

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i believe five this past week, emptying out in new york's port authority bus terminal, one of the largest, i might point out. these are all hose migrants from texas that governor abbott is sending here. new york mayor eric adams furious about it here, but the texas governor saying i want you to experience what we've been experiencing in texas, and you deal with what we're trying to deal with. many of those migrants, by the way, are free to go where they want after this. the first bus, you might recall, emptied out at plaza hotel, famous hotel. lullaby on broadway, you probably remember that, for those of a certain age. that was then, this is it now. actually, they are given return court dates, but they can go where they want. all of that worries john katko, ,s ranking -- new york, ranking homeland security committee member. once they're off the bus and

they're given a date to return, they can go where hay want. do we know where they go? is there any tracking of them and where they go? >> no. that's the problem, neil x. if her tracked, they're tracked temporarily. heir given a piece of -- they're given a piece of pape aer, and within six months or a year, you've got to call in and check many with us, and the amount of people that are actually checking in is very low. they're here illegally, let's not forget that, and they're here because they have of asylum claims. and then they have an an asylum hearing at some point down the road. the problem is the system is so overwhelmed with eye -- can asylum claim that the backlog is years and years and years, so these people get lost. and a lot of these people are working for the mexican cartels to work off the debt they owe them for the crossing because you can't cross from mexico into the u.s. without paying the cartels at least 10 grand. so they're making billions of dollars a month, and these

people owe them money. so in in effect, they're working to pay off the debts to the cartels, which is crazy. neil: so you get through the border, let's say texas or arizona, any one of these other states. you have to be processed. so they take you to some of these facilities, often times detention facilities or the rest, but many other times -- in fact, far more often, i'm told -- to sites much further north and to states and cities like new york, etc. then they're given that piece of paper. but does that mean hen federal officials had closed anded had opened a gate that texas national guardsmen had closed are inviting more of this by keeping it open at certain entry points so that these individuals can be processed in the united states and can take a bus pretty much anywhere? >> yeah, neil, there's no question about it. and you know that video, the texas national guard trying to secure the border, and the

customs and border patrol acting under the orders of the president and administration basically had to go open up that border, open up that gate -- neil: gates like that all across the border. i don't know how many, congressman -- >> right. neil: but national law says you've got to keep them open because that's an entry point. now, if i'm trying to get entry into this country, i'm going to go for those open gates, aren't i? >> yeah. but that wasn't an entry point, that was someone's private property -- neil: what gave the government the right to close that gate after texas national guardsmen -- or to open it after the guardsmen had closed it? >> that's a darn good question, and it's something i'm going to take over to the house in january and we're going to figure out. you can bet no matter what the cartels took that video and are now advertising on instagram, tiktok and all these other medium yum -- mediums to get other people to come across because they're making so much money. that's the sin -- insanity.

and overlay with that the one-year anniversary of afghanistan and the fact that we have 66 people on the terror watch list seized at the border which which stands to reason at least that many got through, and that is a five-time increase over the last five years combined -- or two-time increase over the last five years combined. so the bad guys are looking at the southern border, seeing how porous it is, and heir exploiting it to get into country. we've seen a plot against former president bush to kill him. we saw a plot by two the illegal aliens to constitute a mass casualty event on july 4th. so this is real. and what they're doing is creating a ticking time bomb that's going to have long-term implications. not to mention the 108,000 people who died this year of drug overdose -- neil: i guess what i find far more startling is that gate video. i don't want to minimize it and sharing sort of the problems

here that the texas governor has had, but that gate issue on private property and the federal government deciding to open what obviously is a private owner wanted closed and the texas martial guardsmen wanted close -- national guardsmen wanted closed, that's a big deal. because that seems to be telegraphing to migrants and those with far more, you know, evil intentions that these are the entry points. and if you can get there, you're safe here. >> you're most certainly right. and the coyotes, the ones working percent cartel crossing people, they know where the pressure points are and where the easy points are. every place is getting easy to come across. those people came across, they got through that gate, they were processed, they were sent to what's called nongovernment organizations that get millions and millions from the u.s. those ngos put them all over the country, and we can't get information from the ngos as to where they're going because they're private entities. that's what's really hard. it's hard for us to do oversight

because they're not tellings us -- telling us where we're sending them. neil: congressman, thank you very much. we always reach out to the administration or anyone from homeland security to update us on that. we never hear back or, but we keep trying because we have phones that work. [laughter] it's the um to -- it's the up to them to return call. often times -- actually, all the time, they don't. this is a very big issue. how big? about 2.2 million migrants getting into the united states by the end of this fiscal year. a record we have never seen, but we could see again and again and again if they don't do anything about this. all right, in the meantime, taking ooh look at what's going on in iowa right now. the iowa state fair is one of the most celebrated in the country, not only -- andive -- i've been there a few times. the state is phenomenal to say nothing of the other goodies that are delicious beyond delicious. but it not only attract ares hundreds of thousands, it also

attracts a good many politicians, particularly those looking at the white house. and doesn't grady trimble know it. he's there. grady. >> reporter: hey, neil. it wouldn't be the iowa state fair without those questionable food items that your doctor night scold you for or without carnival rides and possible presidential candidates. so coming up, we're looking at who might be hinting at a run for president in 2024. by visiting the fair. we're live here next. the first . three generations, who all bank differently with chase. leon's saving up for his first set of wheels... nice try. really? this leon's paying for his paint job on the spot... and this leon, as a chase private client, he's in the south of france, taking out cash with no atm fees. that's because this family of leons has chase. actually, it's león. ooh la la! one bank for now. for later. for life. chase. make more of what's yours.

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let's go to grady trimble in des moines with more on that. hey, grady. >> reporter: hi, or neil. you could say there's been a carousel of possible candidates visiting key states in this week, perhaps giving us a hint at who might be running for president in 2024. we'll start right here at the iowa state fair. former vice president mike pence came to the fair yesterday, officially on the stump for senator chuck grassley who's up for re-election in november. in an exclusive interview, i asked pence whether he worries about the quality of candidates running for senate which senate minority leader mitch mcconnell said could make it difficult to win back the senate. i also asked pence his plans for 2024. listen. >> i think we win back the congress, we win back the state capitols, and then we'll focus on winning back america two years from now. the american people long for a return to the policies that they saw the trump-pence administration advance for a stronger and more secure america.

and i believe that red wave is coming. >> reporter: while pence was here, florida governor ron desantis was in pennsylvania and ohio yesterday, two states with important senate races in november. but they also has been to be key battlegrounds in the presidential election. desantis went after president joe biden. >> he spends trillions and trillions of dollars that we don't have, and he was warned not just by people like me who east hot -- he's not going to listen to, but economists for people who worked for obama and bill clinton. if you do this, they told him, you are going to spark a massive inflation, and now here we are. >> reporter: senators ted cruz and tom cotton also visited iowa and new hampshire respectively in the past week. we also saw outgoing maryland governor larry hogan here at the iowa state fair a little over a week ago. all of these names that have been bounced around as possible presidential candidates in 2024,

neil, fueling speculation with these stops that are not officially campaign stops, but look awful similar to campaign stops. neil? neil: all right, grady. i know you're out there. try the deep fried pork chops. you're both way too thin. let's get moving. i want you looking more like me. so thank you. grady trimble -- what a job, i love food. meantime, we're pomming something else, a tropical storm that could be, could be brewing right now in the gulf. a warning is in effect for parts of mexico and the, coastline where the system is expected the make landfall, probably a tropical storm later tonight. if, indeed, it does become a tropical storm, they've already named it. it would be tropical storm danielle. we're following it. more after this. ains by cabot

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>> it's been a very sharp correction, and i don't think people realize just how bad may and june were. 70% of the -- in boise dropped their price. 60% of the homes under contract canceled nationwide. we've never seen that level of cancellations, so buyers significantly pulled back early in the summer but now since about mid july things have been getting better. modestly better, but better. neil: all right. the real estate titan redfin ceo there, he's always very calm. i always wonder that, because even when things -- ah, you know. but he stays calm. a lot of people in the real estate industry are getting a little antsy, a little nervous depending on whether you're on the buy or sell side of this. the world is turning a little

more into your oyster, of course, we'll see because a lot more people are putting their homes on the market to take advantage of what could be a declining opportunity. is it? real estate specialist, she's been an uncanny read on this market. i always enjoy having her on. katrina, in your neck of the woods, particularly in florida -- the hottest of the hot markets -- you've with seen it and witnessed it and the boom and the 20, 30% year-over-year price increases. what happens now? >> well, thanks so much for having me, neil. it's always wonderful to see you. i think there's so much happening that we really need to break it down. on a national level, everybody's affected by the increase of interest rates coupled with inflation. so it's no surprise that sales are going to slow down. and as i mentioned, you know, months ago when we first started discussing this, i believe that price appreciation will continue, it'll just slow down because we still have very

little supply in the market. now, markets like miami or campo see demand because things haven't changed when it comes to people wanting a different quality of life, and they're able to work remotely. i think different economists have various different opinions on what's going to happen. we also have to take into account that home builders are one moment, and existing home sales are another market. home builders have definitely paused. they're on a pause which many people that indicates it is a, quote-unquote, housing recession. but the existing homeowners are actually, they still have very good equity in their homes. many of them see as an opportunity to now find something better to buy. and in my opinion, i think that the market is just balancing itself out. we still have very little supply, definitely people are on the sidelines waiting to see what happens. i think there's uncertainty in the market which is why a lot of economists can't agree on what's

going to occur in the real estate market and, you know, the economy in general right now is not very strong. and so all of that is -- there's just so many things going on, i think it's very difficult to pinpoint one market because real estate is very regional as well. neil: very quickly, 30 seconds, katrina, i don't see a repeat of the housing meltdown we had when it was almost like gambling chips at a table, people were buying and selling property sight unseen. i don't see that. a selloff is a little bit likely. but a crashesome no. >> a crash, no. and the market has definitely increased, i think it's a very healthy thing. buyers have more options. we're definitely not going to see the crash we saw years ago because people have equity in their homes. it's a different situation, but i think overall things will slow down which is necessary. neil: all right, we'll see what happens. katrina, good seeing you. happy real estate buying -- >> likewise. neil: all right, thanks. in the meantime here, no need to worry. hiring 80,000 plus irs agents as

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nothing what it's going to do to climate change, the first ever on the part of a western power to do that. peter doocy right now with the president in delaware. hey, peter. >> neil, now that it's the law of the land, they're still calling it the inflation reduction act even though democrats now admit, it doesn't really lower inflation for a while. >> is it misleading to call this the inflation reduction act for americans when it's not going to make their grocery bill cheaper or everyday bill for them. >> immediately it's not, we never said anything would happen immediately like today, turn the switch on and off. the markets know right now the investment we're going to be making and that investment is going to be a balanced approach. neil: the white house is arguing is that by lowering costs on health care and energy, they lower inflation, which means it's a little more complicated than democrats initially led americans to

believe. >> there are tons of subsidies for wealthy people who buy solar panels and of course, you've heard about the 87,000 new irs agents that are funded in this bill, by the way are tasked with going out and finding over $100 billion in revenue from working class americans. >> while president biden is here in delaware on vacation, he's going to have members of the cabinets fan out to 23 states to start doing the sales on this bill. this is not a biden thing, this is a cabinet thing and chances are, if you're at a town hall meeting for a state fair in the next couple of days you could see biden secretary, neil. neil: they're still standing by the notion that this irs hiring is only going to be going after rich guys, business guys, that sort of thing. that it won't spread? >> they think that there is enough money to pay for this

bill just in finding people that have not-- that have been misleading the irs on their taxes for years. they claim that the share of people making under $400,000 a year that gets audited is not going to increase, even with all the people whose charge is to find money to pay for this bill. neil: all right. peter, thank you very much. peter doocy in wilmington, delaware on that. well, those numbers don't add up to me. again, i always like to say this isn't a left-right thing, a conservative-liberal thing. i'm a nerdier spot, i follow this. and remember the columbus character? i think i'm a fatter version, a lot fatter than that guy and i was raising that with jared bernstein the president's economic advisor a few days ago. the 80 billion dollars that you just mentioned from the inflation reduction act to

increase the tax enforcement. neil: right. >> and is targeted directly at those in the top 1%. well above 400,000. neil: you're going to get all of that money. the irs is now under a directive go after the top 1 and that's-- >> the other point. neil: no, i just want to be clear. is that where you're going to get the money or anyone less than the 1%-- please be clear, i'm asking you a specific question. >> i want to be clear give me a . neil: they will not be taxed more. >> they will not be scrutinized more or taxed more if they're under 400,000. neil: allow me to do my columbus though thing. scratching my head because that 400,000 whatever you call it, they make up 60%. if you're in that group, you're 60% of the revenues the irs raises. so if they're arguing that they're not going to touch that 60%, and they're going to get that 80, 85, 90, maybe up to

$100 billion from just the 1%, it doesn't work. the math doesn't add up. now, you can get more money going down the food chain, going down the salary chain, down the worth chain and maybe that's where this is all going. let's go back to gary and barry and victoria. what do you think, do you think this widens going beyond the 1%? >> so i think your columbus instincts are exactly right, neil, although you do dress much better than columbo. and have to get that put out there. you're right. you can go with this technical version of people under 400,000 won't have their taxes raised and won't be targeted, but we know that they will be affected, their wealth will be affected even if they don't have direct taxes. we look at the irs, the joint committee on taxation has said 78 to 90% of the revenue raised from these additional irs audits will come from those

making $200,000 or less and that's a nonpartisan group that's saying that and you look at some of the other components of this. the 15% tax on corporations. i mean, yes that's going strictly on corporations, but what happens when free cash flow on balance sheets decline, they lower wages, they stop hiring, they decrease their benefits, all of this affects the lower and middle class. technically are they not affecting those under 400,000? yes, but the follow-through on what they're doing will definitely affect the wealth of those individuals. neil: and, barry, there is that 1% tax as well on companies that do stock buybacks there. i don't know the impact there. i don't know the impact of the 50 minimum tax and may be through legal writeouts, but

i'll imagine there is some blowbacks on average joe's and joannes. >> and i think it's tended to the big big line. one of the things that has plagued the irs has been underinvestment in the past in two things, sufficient technology to be able to pursue following very complicated tax structures, a lot of corporations and high net worth individuals, that's number one. >> number two, having just the human power, just the sheer number of bodies and hours in the day to be able to untangle extremely complicated legal structures, some of which the national trails that you have to follow. i actually think, neil, if there's a little bit of patience and permission is given to the irs with accountability, and back in two areas to make sure that there's a clear mandate specifically going after the corporations that pay no taxes or the above $400,000 income bracket which

does tend to have much more complicated structures. i think there's a way for real retirement to get dollars from places i'll take the other position that i think it's possible. neil: that's fine. you're young and also darn smart, but i'm old and gary go back not to columbo, but the twilight episode, remember the aliens, we come to serve mankind, don't want to give it away, but it's a cookbook and they're going to eat the people on the ufo. so the analogy is apropos here, the irs talking about we're here to serve the american taxpayer, they're going to gobble up all of our money. all right, so help me with this, gary. >> neil, the marketing of this bill is assuming because you make a certain amount of money, you're a tax cheat. if you make less than a certain amount of money, you're not and

elizabeth warren put out a direct tweet yesterday saying that, but i have news for you, the money's not there. they're going to go after billionaires, but the billionaires have the high paid tax attorneys and accountants that know every loophole to go through and run through so they're not going to get anything there. the 1% tax on buybacks, about $7 billion on a government that's going to spend over 5 trillion and run a 1 trillion deficit and talk about under 400,000. that's where really the money is. remember, people over 400,000 a lot of them are employees where taxes already come out beforehand. so, again, this is another what i consider a con job. the whole marketing of it. the whole naming of it with the inflation reduction, when they knew on purpose that there isn't any inflation reduction. they just saw the whole numbers on inflation and decided to use that title and away we go.

you know who get the bad rap, irs, most of those people go to work doing their job every day and getting demonized because they will be looked at as the police going forward. neil: i'm glad you described that about the irs agents because i love the irs. you guys do a great job. i don't want you to infer i'm saying anything other than that. victoria, kidding aside part, there is this feature of the buyback thing, it starts at 1%. rarely do i see tax once impressed stay at the level at which it's imposed. i'm wondering where this one goes because this one is i think a sleeper one that we should be paying attention to. what do you think of its impact? it seems relatively small now, but where do you see it going? >> yeah, as a portfolio manager, we're always looking at what companies are doing with their cash and buybacks is a huge component of what supports the equity market. so you're now going to tax something that supports the wealth across the board of

invests and we know the retail investor has been growing, so it's for that middle class, it's for the upper class, it's for the equity markets and for business in general, buybacks have been supportive of that. starting to tax that means we're going to see them slow down and initially will see probably more buybacks as they move forward and you know things always continue to move higher. neil: so, ann, it still sounds like a cookbook to me, but your final thoughts? >> well, some. companies that have done some of the biggest buybacks have also been companies accused of paying the least in corporate taxes so i think it's interesting to see if this is really a way to complement the overall crackdown of the corporate tax that the administration is going to put in place. >> and neil, given the use of the columbo analogy. neil: i tried, i tried. i think that gary is the only one that can relate to me there, but as long as he's within a decade or so that's all i want. guys, we'll see what happens. you know, i hope some of the better parts of this that are

trumpeted here turn out to be the case. thanks for joining us this very nice weekend. in the meantime here, there's a sort of history that doesn't give you much hope for this inflation reduction act. some of the abuses we've seen in prior elements of spending. gerri willis with more on that, gerri. >> neil, crime pays, at least in the case of covid relief found. we've managed to prosecute only a billion dollars of these fraudulent claims, but many of them will never be recouped. let's look at the number. lost to fraud, it could be over $163 billion. but that's whether what happens when the government makes huge amounts of taxpayer money available to the public with zero oversight. the example is comical. loans went out to 342 people who said their name was n slash a, no answer. and the government's do not pay list got dough.

dead people got money. a florida couple claimed their miami home was a farm that generated over $800,000 per year. another applicant got 10 loans for 10 different fake bath renovation businesses using the address of a burrito shop. yachts, sports cars, mansions, rolex watches, a $57,000 pokemon trading card, all with taxpayer funds. you get the picture. applicants in many cases on an honor system. >> i think people made a conscious decision we're going to get the money out and if there's fraud you'll chase it later and that's just not an acceptable model. >> the president just extended the window to prosecute the crimes to 10 years and i have a feeling they're going to need every minute of it if they want to recoup even a fraction of that stolen money. neil. neil: thank you for that, i think. in the meantime we're waiting and maybe we will hear any moment now from president trump's legal team on their response to the raid on mr. trump's home a little bit

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>> all right. we want to take you right now to palm beach, florida and that's where mark meredith has been as we wait right now for what was apparently going to be a motion that could be filed any moment from former president trump's legal team on this search of his home a little bit more than a week ago. now, for those of you watching, you know, i'm a very big fan of mark's. he doesn't necessarily dress up for our show, but that's okay because he's iconic reporter, but he volunteered to stay in palm beach until every last element of this story was exhausted and kindly offered to help us out today. mark, good to see you, thank you again for dressing up.

first of all, what are we waiting for? >> neil, good morning, we're checking every tiki bar to find from our sources what's going on in south florida. good morning to you, as we talk about right off the top. lawyers for the former president says they could file a motion as soon as this weekend or at the latest by monday trying to challenge the search that happened at mar-a-lago almost two weeks ago because they claimed that was a violation of trump's constitutional right. now, remember this search was executed by the fbi, but also, that it was a federal judge that signed off on it before they went in, as well as we learned through these court documents that federal agents recovered several cases of top secret documents from mar-a-lago and we're waiting to see when that may be filed. trump's lawyers speak to mark levine last night and they claim to argue that the search was overly broad. >> the warrant has language in it about if you find a classified document, you can take the whole box around it and take any boxes near it.

there's no limit to that kind of scope in the warrant. >> so far no official reactions from the department of justice, but likely to have a response in court as opposed to blasting out some sort of press release. a federal judge has given federal prosecutors until thursday to decide which items in the criminal affidavit should be redacted and what can be disclosed. the fbi worried it could compromise the ongoing investigation. we're hearing from many of trump's allies on capitol hill who insist the entire affidavit should be released. >> the more the better, and the better the public relations of the fbi would be because i think there's plenty of evidence of political bias. >> now, the former president, he continues to fund raise off of the search. he's been blasting out e-mails, as well as posting on his social media account and earlier in the week told he actually want today bring the temperature down beau seems to have contradicted some statements in the last 24

hours, calling out what he says was the broad overreach of the fbi and law enforcement. while he's been keeping a fairly low profile close to two weeks ago, he's scheduled a campaign rally, this one in campaign and trying to campaign for dr. oz, trailing in the polls ahead of that crucial senate race. we'll likely see the former president back on the trail and no indication when he'll come back to mar-a-lago. neil, i think we should stay here and set up the mar-a-lago base, what do you think. neil: and you're a dogged reporter and thank you for your sacrifice in florida. mark meredith. great and what he does and a good guy. what he was getting to, the documents that justified the raid. let's see that it doesn't pan out after the search. and you've got egg on your face.

does anybody remember this. >> the behavior shows that hussein and his regime are more weapons of mass destruction. neil: well there were no weapons of mass destruction that we know. what if it turns out some of the justifications for that raid weren't there as well. then what? tom dupuis with us. then what? >> well, my hunch is that the media won't not be quite as apoplectic about the lack for this warrant as for the weapons of mass destruction. i think what would happen, the media would report and no basis for the warrant and then within 24 hours of the news cycle would move on to the next great outrage. neil: if you think about it given the unprecedented nature of this and how huge it is to essentially raid a former president's home. you've got to have a very good reason, i imagine a damn good reason to do so, if it doesn't pan out, then what? >> yeah, well, i agree with you, that it's absolutely

unimaginable to me that merrick garland and the team over at the justice department didn't solidly kick the tires before deciding to go into mar-a-lago. if it turns out they locked probable cause to execute this warrant on the former president's home. there will be significant consequences. at a minimum, it would mean they would not be able to use the fruits of the seizure, all the documents they carted out of mar-a-lago in any criminal proceedings and potentially what has liability. if someone submitted an affidavit under oath and attested to facts that turned out not to be true, there can be very serious legal consequences for that piece of it as well. neil: we'll watch closely. that you. tom dupree. we're waiting to see this measure on the part of the trump folks to respond to this government raid as they've often called it. and again, saying that it violated the fourth amendment on the search and seizure that our forefathers were worried

about. and the c.d.c., that botched it, and medical authorities covid first came here and have since. exactly what mistakes and what happens now after this.

>> we goofed. that was the admission essentially from the centers for disease control director rochelle walensky when she called for an overhaul to the agent saying in response to covid-19, the c.d.c. did not meet many expectations of the american public. she didn't get into specifics about what they botched and when. could have something to do with don't wear masks, do wear masks, get one shot, 50 shots, whatever the confusion, they're trying to clarify it now with a complete revamp of the agency. who is affected and what's

affected with dr. robert redfield with the former c.d.c. director under donald trump. kind enough to join us. good to see you. >> good to see you, neil. thanks for having me. >> what is she saying, doctor. is she right? did the c.d.c. botch it? >> well, neil, i think at the heart of this is when they really talk about a reset is what the primary role of the c.d.c. is. is it an academic institution? or is it a public health response agency? when it started 75 years ago working with the defense department to work on malaria, it was a public health responsibility. and what it's morphed into over 75 years is to have more of a culture of an academic institution. i think at the heart of this report and what the director has commented on is it's really time for c.d.c. to look in the mirror, kind of see what it's

become, and ask the question, its culture and structure optimized as a public health response agency? or is it optimized as an academic institution? and i think that's the heart of it. so i think it's important first step. it's going to be a long journey to try to change the culture of the agency and really make it so it can be a public health response. neil: you might be right on that. you're so brilliant, doctor, you lost me with that. i want to understand and get to the brass tacks on this. was it the guidance was wrong? and then we can get into the specifics of that. wearing masks, said originally a bad idea, not necessary and then everybody wear masks. is it on lockdown? and keeping people home? that that was advisable in the beginning, was that a mistake? and for future pandemics, is the signal that those kind of things will not happen in the

future? >> well, clearly, the mandates and the lockdowns and the closing of the schools to virtual learning, all of that was a public health mistake, there's no question about it. neil: what if everybody had gone about their normal roles and back to work and crowded situations you don't think at some level that would have made things even worse or retrospect you say no it wouldn't? remember, that's pre-vaccine. >> yeah, i think that clearly, my view was that we take a pause, evaluate how to do things in a safe and responsible way, but shutting down the schools was much greater public health harm to the kids than keeping the schools open. neil: doctor, i'm sorry to keep jumping on you rudely. that's an important distinction. you would have not done the school shutdown thing, but you would have embraced, as the trump administration did initially, with some reluctance, this idea of everyone dialing things back, maybe, you know, doing their

jobs from their homes, just not extending that to keeping our kids out of school? >> yeah, i would have been very select on trying to look at each activity how they do it safe and responsible. for example, in the restaurant business, i would have, you know, stopped loud music and people standing around bars, but i would have had people still be able to go into restaurants. i think there was a mistake in those regards, but i think at the heart of it, neil, what i was trying to get at, c.d.c. has a tendency to come up with information once they have all the data, it's already wrapped up in a bow, it's perfect, it's ready for publication in the scientific journal. and what the public health response agencies have to do is take information in real-time and try to make real-time recommendations and then modify those recommendations as data evolves, but i always give the example of my first briefing that i had as c.d.c. on opioid deaths. it was a week or so after i was

director and when i finished the briefing i asked the c.d.c. experts what the data was through and they told me it was through march of 2015 and i said it's april 2018. and they were explaining to me the complexities of getting data and i was explaining to them that doesn't help to launch a public health response based on data three years old. i think that's the heart of it. neil: and that does make sense. i do wonder, no matter what the changes are, doctor, going forward, is it your belief that vaccines were good, that getting so many americans, i believe up to eight out of 10 vaccinated was good? >> i think it's critical. neil. i think we've talked about this before. vaccines are the most important gift to science to modern medicine. they do work. the problem with the covid vaccine is people need to think of it more like a medicine than a vaccine. in other words, a vaccine you take once and you're done. the covid vaccine only works for a period of time. it originally wuhan strain

about 8 to 12 months, delta 4 to 5. omicron four months and now the omicron 4-5 probably three months and shouldn't surprise us. if i get infected with omicron 5, the immunity will only protect me for about three to four months. neil: well said. doctor, very good seeing you. dr. robert redfield, former c.d.c. director. >> same hear. neil: under president trump. the update on the migrant surge at the border we have told you about the latest bus to arrive in manhattan overnight and still nor more buses coming, by the way, a lot more migrants coming as well. stay with us. lowe's has what you need to protect and brighten your home. with exterior stains by cabot and paint from hgtv home by sherwin-williams. save at lowe's today.

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especially the case as we continue to see the number of large groups illegally crossing together. this morning we saw a relatively small one, 40 migrants or so processed under the international crossing bridge, one of them in eagle pass. while much of this past week our cameras capturing much larger groups as they crossed the rio grande river into the united states and also in eagle pass, which is part of the del rio sector. 2 to 250 in size. cbp says that in the last five days at least 16 of the large groups have been encountered across the southwest border more than 3300 people when it was all said and done. now, in the tucson, arizona sector, agents spotted a fake dhs vehicle this past week with a phony license plate attempt to go smuggle 10 migrants in the u.s. that driver was arrested, while in el paso, agents say that

they have stopped a 28-year-old mexican national at a port of entry with more than 14 1/2 pounds of could he-- cocaine stashed in her vehicle discovered by k-9 teams and screening, a reminder how the cartels are not just moving people across this porous border back here, but illicit drugs as well. >> casey stegall in texas. to the national control council president. good to have you today. let me get your take, brennan, what casey was reporting. numbers of surging, record numbers, how long does this go on? >> yeah, you know, let me get to that, but to keep in context, you see some florida flags behind me, i'm in florida right now with congresswoman kamik, doing a good job to bring attention to this issue, i'm from the southwest border,

it shows that every border is a border state when you look at the numbers and what we're dealing with right now, as the numbers continue to increase, we continue to get overwhelmed with everything that we have to do with when we're processing those illegal border crossers and what that does, that allows the drugs to flow into the united states. that's what's coming up to florida, maine, iowa, nebraska and that's what's killing so many of our u.s. citizens. we've got to be able to get illegal immigration under control. if we can do that, then we can go after the cartels and profits and dangerous things coming into the united states which includes criminal aliens, aliens from special interest countries, all the things that want to do harm here in the united states, but we have to have the proper policy to do it and right now we're not getting the policy nor are we getting the programs or operations. neil: you know, bran dan, we had a guest in the last hour, many are arriving in new york city, five, six buses filled

this past weekend arriving at the new york port north and often times, those people get off the bus and they can go wherever they want. they're given a slip of paper for a return court date and all of that. where they go and no one is tracking them and i'm wondering, this one particular guest was talking about the possibility that they have to then pay back some of the cartels that might have gotten them across the border in the first place. and that heightens the danger and we know some of them are doing someone else's bidding and it's not good bidding. >> no, absolutely, they have to pay back the cartels. when you look at the individuals coming off the bus, those individuals do not have $6,000 in their pockets to give to the cartels upfront. and depending where you're coming from, if you're coming from china upwards of 35 to $50,000. i make a very good living and i don't have that just sitting around to give cartels and these individuals do not either. these people are going into

indentured servitude to pay back the cartels. unfortunately for young women and children, that often times means the sex trade that is very dangerous for them and it's frustrating to all of us. we want to protect the sanctity of life. we want to ensure that individuals are free to make proper choices, but when they're indebted to the cartels, they have to do everything they can to pay them back because their families back in their home countries rely on that. if they don't pay it back, the families end up paying for it and that's the serious danger and that's why we're so frustrated right now. we don't understand why the biden administration doesn't recognize that what they're doing is they're putting vulnerable women and children in harm's way with their recless policies. when you have open border policies, when i'm by that, the reward, when we catch and release them ethat's the reward and the open border policy, when you have that all you're doing is endangering human life

and that doesn't make sense. neil: including the people that got over the border. thank you very much. brandon judd. again, we are showing a live shot of the border. that's ground zero in all of this, and it continues to be. all right, in the meantime here, following up on something that you have probably seen if you ever a-- you've seen at the airports, flights delayed if not canceled outright. transportation secretary has a severe warning for the airlines behind all of this, you better give these people a free meal or it's going to be hell. we'll explore and explain after this. with best western rewards you get rewarded when you stay on the road and on the go. find your rewards so you can reconnect, disconnect, hold on tight and let go!

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delays and your cancellations of flights when we've been travelling and beyond. the secretary people say there's an idea and a warning for airlines, stop it or we're going to have to make you pay for it. the lodging for those who passengers and flights were delayed, as well as, well, their meals. now, in some cases, airlines do take care of that, but of course, it was in such a widespread basis the secretary saying they should do more. and charles watson with more on that, charles. >> yeah, good morning, neil. the department of transportation is stepping in and if there are going to be delays and cancellations you need to take care of your customers, if you won't do that, the department will make you. in a new letter sent out to air carriers, dodd secretary pete buttigieg says it's unacceptable and urging airlines to make sure that they have adequate services in place

to ensure passengers have incurred expenses and inconveniences due to delays and cancellations and in an interview with nbc news, the secretary says what he would like to see the airlines do is number one, offer cash refunds to passengers and meal vouchers to those who have to wait on flights more than three hours delayed and number ffer hotel accommodations to passengers who have 0 wait for flights overnight. now, the secretary says he's giving airlines an opportunity to voluntarily take action, but he's not opposed to forcing them. >> the message to the airlines is that you've got to make it easier for passengers to understand their rights and you've got to support passengers when they experience delays or cancellations. >> and there have been a lot, neil, nearly a quarter of u.s. domestic flights were delayed, and 3.2% canceled in the first

six months of 2022. it's led to a record number of consumer complaints and we spoke to an advocate for flyers, who tells it will be good to finally have some rules. >> and the situation with refunds in particular, it's out of control. the airlines are canceling more flights than ever, and something like 88,000 this year. they are delaying well over half a million flights, more than two hours. and it's really becoming intolerable for passengers. >> yeah, and we're hearing from the industry advocate airlines for american who says its members are committed to hiring folks and points out that the u.s. carriers have issued $21 billion in cash refunds since the onset of the pandemic and neil, the department of transportation really wants this to get right so they tell us that by labor day weekend,

they're expecting to launch a website where folks can go and look at all the rules and policies that the airlines have when it comes to getting refunds. neil: charles from atlanta. appreciate it. something you'll not appreciate, if you're been watching the war in ukraine. growing warnings about an attack on a ukrainian power plant who happens to be europe's largest, and russia warning, germany, some of this stuff could go your way. wow, after this. ♪ it wasn't me by shaggy ♪ you're never responsible for unauthorized purchases on your discover card.

>> all right. half a year almost into the war, attacks on a nuclear power

plant in zaporizhzhia. it's the largest in europe and growing fears if attacked, it could spread way throughout europe and not just in ukraine. hundreds, indeed, we're told thousands have evacuated the area, but it's another ratcheting up of a war that can't seem to end. lieutenant general richard newton with us, the u.s. air force assistant by chief of staff. general, always good to have you. what do you make of in? it's a legitimate threat, we're told, legitimate enough for people to flee the area at the urging of the ukrainian government. what's going on? >> neil, good to be with you. i would call it a radioactive blackout and i think na president zelenskyy might have referred to that in a press release. it's significant. it's ratcheting up, as you said, the threat from russia, a stalemate between ukraine and russia, perhaps entering a war of attrition, but the nuclear power plant you said is the

largest in europe and southern ukraine, it's now becoming a lot of the center of effort, not only in terms of the information warfare between ukraine and russia, but also, the threat. it heightens things up. and the blowback, literally the radioactive blowback could impact the european land mass as well. there's lots of critical eyes on that and serious consequences. think in terms of chernobyl scenario, that scenario would be enough, this would be chernobyl on steroids. neil: and much of the german press are frantic about it. a page one story across the country. and i want your thoughts whether this might be russia's way, for example, to cool it on supporting zelenskyy or adding money to do that? >> who knows what's in the brain of putin. we can't trust him at all, but i believe what he's setting up, we've talked to this on this show before, these false flags,

it can be a scenario he's creating a false flag and let's he takes, one root of a scenario, takes the nuclear power plant off the grid and there's some type of an event that creates a nuclear fallout or perhaps a not an attack, but again, almost in a civilian vein a meltdown on the power plant and ends up blaming that on ukraine and the west and therefore, it was a situation that he was forced to take control of and therefore, it gives him a position of being an arbitrator of what i would think would be in his play book this false flag operation against the nuclear power plant. neil: general, we don't have much time, but two minutes or so, people don't seem as obsessed what's going on in ukraine as it used to be, it almost seems business as normal, and the president and his wife on a cover, and

meetings with sean penn, angelina jolie, and that it's going to do in the country. does that worry you? >> it worries me, several parts of war in sifrn parts of the world, land, sea, and a new element is information warfare. so far president zelenskyy and ukraine have been very good and kept the high ground, i think are defeating the russians in information warfare except you get the missteps with vogue and celebrities visiting. we need to focus on the atrocities on russia against the ukrainian people. horrific attacks against the ukrainian people and that's what we need to focus on and the west needs to stand with zelenskyy, needs to stand with ukraine because the outcome of this war, neil, is going to be very impactful for the next

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