after the super bowl so leveraging that exposure into something spectacular. i even love a gorged version of a blue glass. >> i love snoop. >> there you go. we will end the noon hour with that, thank you everyone for joining us. see you tomorrow. here is "america reports." >> sandra: thank you, everybody. brand-new concerns of parents cut out of their child's education, training materials in fairfax county, virginia, students would be allowed to change their name and gender identity on school records without parental consent. >> john: neither the school district or the teachers' union have responded. parents in fairfax county schools will join us to talk about this coming up.

>> sandra: "america reports" with the justice department last hour submitting proposed redactions to the affidavit used as the basis of the search of former president trump's florida home. now it's up to a federal judge to determine how much of that document the public will actually get to see. hello, welcome, everyone. i'm sandra smith in new york. happy friday eve. >> john: as we like to call it around here, that's what thursday is. good to see you, sandra. the federal judge who approved the warrant to search mar-a-lago is set to weigh the pros and cons of releasing portions of the affidavit. the judge acknowledged heavy redactions to make the document in essence meaningless. justice department maintaining it could be dangerous to release any part of the affidavit saying it could compromise the investigations. republicans, along with several news organizations are pressing for more information about what prompted the unprecedented search of a former president's home. >> sandra: john, another judge

is giving team trump until tomorrow to better explain why a special master is needed to oversee the review of documents seized from mar-a-lago. we have got fox news team coverage for you. andy is joining us in a moment. >> john: david spunt is live at the justice department. will we is an what they submitted today? >> david: likely we will not. anything is possible. the reason we likely won't is because the judge in this case specifically instructed the justice department to submit this under seal. that means that we won't see it because of some of the sensitive information that is likely in that affidavit. now, remember it was just two weeks ago today here at the justice department that attorney general merrick garland came out and announced he was in favor of releasing the search warrant. that had limited information. we want the affidavit, the probable cause and explain why the judge gave the green light

for the federal agents to descend on mar-a-lago earlier this month. detailed information, including what crime or crimes prosecutors are eying. the magistrate issued an order on monday and weighed both sides of the issue. releasing the affidavit and disclosing the person who swears to the affidavit could impede the ongoing investigation through obstruction of justice and witness intimidation or retaliation. in favor of sealing. the same document said unsealing the affidavit would promote public understanding of historically significant event. this weighs in favor of disclosure. the former president has pushed for the complete release of the affidavit unredacted for the public to see. another federal judge as sandra mentioned, eileen canon, gave the deadline for tomorrow for the special master. a neutral third party arbitor to take a look at how doj is handling evidence. key here, john and sandra, is

that doj has been looking at this evidence since they searched mar-a-lago, which has been about two and a half weeks. they have had a major head start here. john. >> john: well, we will see what the judge says in regard to those redactions. david, thank you. sandra. >> sandra: andy mccarthy, great to see you. set this up for us on what the american public should expect, especially so many in this country who have big questions over why this happened to a former president at his home. >> well, the justice department in the first round, sandra, i'm sure is going to say that almost everything needs to be redacted. but you know, at the end of david's report it occurred to me, i should have thought of this already, they are already having a dispute over the special master who is the, you know, the trump team wants the court to supervise the sifting through material, whereas the justice department has this

other procedure that they use when they have that kind of a situation. i could easily see the judge saying well, there's no reason that shouldn't be public, you know, because all that is, they put in the affidavit here is the procedures we are going to use if we find executive privilege documents or attorney/client privilege documents. that way they could say we redacted or unredacted some things without telling us what we really want to know, which is what's the basis for the probable cause, and what is the series of events assuming there was one that made this the best way for the government to go about collecting the evidence that they said, they say they need to. so i think we may get some information and it may even be some interesting information but probably not going to be the information we want and i doubt we'll get it today. >> sandra: chris swecker, former fbi assistant director was asked the same question i asked of you. pros, cons, what the american public will see, and he said this. >> i think doj is going to win

their argument. they are going to say well, there is going to be so much information about the reliability of the sources, the specificity of their information it's going to identify them. we can't do that. all that leaves us is the conduct of the former president. i think doj would be more than happy to release that, and if they release anything, my concern is that's all they are going to release. >> sandra: end of day we know the doj has stuck by that it would be dangerous to release any of this for the public to see. >> yeah, here is why i disagree with that. number one, to tell us the conduct of the former president they would have to tell us who the witnesses are, they don't want to disclose. one of the things david said in his report, the thing that the judge said weighed in favor of disclosure is historical importance, and what i keep trying to stress to people is this is not an fisa situation like the russia life gate stuff,

blacked out for pages and pages, this is a criminal law case. when you write these things you know they are going to be disclosed at some point, usually when charges are filed. but eventually this stuff actually does get disclosed. so i think the justice department's argument here, sandra, is let us finish our investigation, which is not going to take 'til the end of time, probably take another few weeks and at that point all of this is going to be disclosed in discovery. so if your concern is the historical importance, what's the difference if you get the documents today or get them, say, you know, six weeks from now. >> sandra: why are they pushing back so hard on president trump's request to have this special master oversee all the evidence that was gathered at his mar-a-lago estate? what's the problem there, andy? >> well, whatever you do a search on someone who has a lot of privileged information, let's say you have a defense lawyer who somehow is in a criminal investigation, if you search the

lawyer's office you know you are going to find a lot of attorney/client privilege documents. so what the justice department likes to do is have what they call a filter team which are lawyers who don't have anything to do with the investigation. they take the first pass through the documents and they decide what the prosecution team is allowed to see. and the idea is make sure they don't get tainted by privileged information. what the trump people are saying is we don't like the idea of the justice department doing that unilaterally so the justice department gets to decide what the justice department prosecutors get to see. we would like that to be supervised by the court. so, they would like to impose judicial supervision over that process, whereas the justice department is perfectly delighted to have it where they unilaterally control it, and i think the problem for the trump people is, they should have been screaming about this while the search was going on, and instead they waited two weeks. so even if they, you know, even if they got what they were

asking for at this point, you have to figure that the, you know, the justice department diligently went through the stuff they seized and a lot of that has been passed through to the prosecutors. >> sandra: a lot of time has already passed. and interesting to see the president when asked by our own peter doocy just yesterday, finally break his silence on whether or not he had any head's up about the raid happening before it did of the former president's home, 0 head's up said the president. andy mccarthy, thank you very much. john, we await more information on that, could be sooner rather than later, and more coming up. >> john: i expect the doj suggestions for redactions were heavyhanded. see if the judge accepts them and whether we can discern from whatever information is released. california, sandra, set to ban the sale of all gasoline powered cars and trucks by the year 2035. the new rule expected to be approved today comes as gasoline prices drop nationwide to 3.87 a

gallon, but 62% higher from what president biden took office. jonathan hunt live in los angeles. what do you do if you want a gas powered vehicle in california past 2035? >> you buy one pretty quickly, john. you are not going to be able to soon. we expect the vote to formalize the new rules with a progressive ban on gas-powered vehicles to go through any moment now at a meeting of the california air resources board, the final word on this issue. and take a look at what they will be imposing on consumers in the auto industry here in skaern. by 2021 -- 2026, john, more than one-third of vehicles have to be 0 emissions. by 2031, that goes up to 76%.

and then by 2035 an outright ban on the sale of all new gas powered vehicles will be cars or pick-up trucks. now, you would think there would be some pushback from the car manufacturers. members of the board say that is not so, and they say the benefits of this go far wider than simply the climate efficiencies it will introduce. listen here. >> we also get rid of oil imports, we reduce oil imports, and so that saves both money as well as energy security issues, you know, resolves all the energy security issues that go along with that as well. so, it's -- it's a really big deal and it's a big deal because this is the first time a government has put in place a 100% requirement by 2035. >> now, there are as you would expect critics.

former chair of the california gop, ron naring writing on twitter, unless california goes 100% nuclear, 0% of these cars will be 0 emission. they will rely on natural gas or electricity from other sources because solar and wind are not reliable energy sources. this is purely posturing. other concerns, of course, john, the price of electric vehicles significantly higher right now than gas powered vehicles. the scarcity of chargers in many places. the range of electric vehicles, even on a full charge. so, there are many questions. a lot of dealers here believe california is simply moving too quickly, but it is going to happen, john, by 2035, all sales of all vehicles will have to be 0 emissions. it is coming and it is a seismic shift for the auto industry, john. >> john: no question america is a big place with lots of

traffic, a challenge for electrically-powered cars. jonathan, thanks. what i think is interesting, sandra, some manufacturers of future electric vehicles like dodge are going to give them exhaust pipes that make them sound like gas-powered cars. >> sandra: amazing. there's a large chunk of the e.v. car purchasers who actually give back their electric vehicles, they get frustrated, don't have access to charge their vehicles, it's frustrating for long road trips, there is some estimates a fifth of the e.v. buyers actually return the vehicles for gas vehicles. there is that, the grid problem and how much electricity we can possibly provide and john, if anything happens to the grid, what happens then? the lithium we count on china in large part for and the cost of those e.v. vehicles, all huge obstacles, a lot of this in the "wall street journal," coming up. >> john: and the alaskan governor has a lot of thoughts

as well. >> sandra: violent crime not the only threat that is on the rise. thieves are now swiping a key car component at record rates and you won't believe what one major city is recommending you do to try to stop them. >> john: buy an electric car? no. and backlash over both sides of president biden's plan to let student loan borrowers off the hook. how former students who paid off their debt and getting nothing out of this supposed to feel about the plan? democratic congressman from massachusetts weighs in just ahead. >> people that are going through with college and paid their debts already, they have already paid the price and right now they are going to continue to pay for people who are getting handouts. did you know there's only been two times in american history - two - when the national debt was larger than gross domestic product? world war ii - and right now. that's a deep hole.

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>> i think it's a pretty good idea. >> students are able to get the loans forgiven. >> you go to school and you pay it off like everybody else did. >> my student loans have been forgiven. >> debt forgiveness, no, nope. >> i don't think it's enough. i think it needs to be more than that. >> you make good decisions to take out student loans to go to school you know the possible ramifications of that if you can't pay them, you should be responsible for your actions. >> sandra: wide range of reactions to the loan handout, including those who paid off their loans without any help from american taxpayers. complete coverage now on the growing response to the historic move. democrat congressman seth moulton standing by, but first madison alworth live in hoboken, new jersey. pretty obvious if somebody is given their loans forgiven, they are probably pretty happy about

it. >> yeah, we have gotten a reaction, some people have student loans, some have already paid off student loans and others who have loans, for example, for their business that are not being paid off. and depending what category you fit in might impact your decision. but i have to tell you, even some close to paying off their student loans and might qualify, they kind of feel upset. the feeling is this program is not targeted enough and it's a one-time fix, that does not actually solve the problem of exploding college costs. take a listen. >> my family is from cuba, where we have free education or free healthcare, but it's not free. >> i think it's a great program. i think that it's a good start. >> i think it's probably short-sighted, it's going to take a temporary problem and make it temporary. >> it's a choice, college and we know what the cost is going in, we have to incur that cost. >> i have loans in business and nobody foregives them for me, i have to pay them. >> i agree more needs to be done

but it's still going to help the 43 million americans. >> i don't know who is going to pay for that. i don't see how it helps inflation at all. >> you know, there is not any one subject that everyone agrees on. with that being said, most people do agree the cost of college is out of hand. no matter how they feel about the handout. but with that being said, many say this one-time payment does not address that cost, and it could potentially only further incentivize colleges to continue charging more because there's going to be more help on the table. you know, some of the critics of this move, they are accusing the president of making it to appease his base. if you look at the president, campaign donations, he received more than $64.5 million from individuals and higher education during his 2020 campaign. that's the most of any candidate. also another concern that i've heard from people, this move adds hundreds of billions of dollars to our national debt because sandra, as you know, you

can't just make debt disappear, it has to go somewhere. >> sandra: somebody has to pay for it. thank you very much. john. >> john: massachusetts democratic congressman seth moulton, also a member of the house budget committee. i love your backdrop, i have to say. you have been a supporter of college loan relief for a number of years, your formula differed from what the president came up with, but the big question here, is this fair? millions of people have paid off college loan debt in the past, why should current debt holders get a freebie? >> look, first of all, that's a fair question and this is not a perfect plan. it doesn't help people who don't have the opportunity to go to college, it does not help people who have already paid off their college debt like i have. all of us who are out there paid off our loans by working hard aren't going to benefit from the plan. it does help 43 million american, all of them working class or middle class, and it

will relieve significant debt for young people that has held them back from just getting started with their careers. so is it a perfect plan, no. does it address the critical problem in america, it does, at least a stab at it. >> i understand all that, but again, the 43 million you just mentioned, why should they get a break that you didn't get, a plumber in iowa who never went to university is not getting. why should they get what some people think is special treatment? >> the reality is no policy in america, no policy that comes out of washington addresses everybody equally, right. the trump tax cuts only went to the wealthiest americans, the billionaire corporations, it did not help everyone else. you can make the same criticism about this program and another key point it does not address the key underlying issue, the skyrocketing costs of tuition. there is a concern schools will profit off of this because they

can keep raising tuition, knowing kids will come, they will get the tuition bill up front, they'll get it paid to the university by a loan company and students will have to figure out how to pay back the loan for the rest of that your lives. no, it's not a perfect policy. no policy in washington is. this is addressing a real need for the 43 million americans. i think the other thing going on here is president biden is doing what he promised to do. he's finding compromise. the left does not like the plan because they say it does not go far enough and the right does in the like it, biden can do this and then move on to other things. >> john: an example where the left and right both agree because the president managed to both the "wall street journal" and "washington post," "washington post" said under pressure, president biden has generally embraced sensible reforms over flashy gimmicks but the wednesday student loan announcement did the opposite. widely cancelling student loan debt is regressive, takes money

from the broader tax base, mostly made up of workers who did not go to college to subsidies the people with val valuable degrees. and how do you pay for it? >> with regards to inflation we don't know, the reality a lot of people benefitting from the program would not pay back the loans anyway, they were going to default on the loans, does not help the economy at all. with regards to the larger issue, keep it in perspective. people are getting $10,000, about $10,000 back from the government to relieve them from significant debt. that is a drop in the bucket compared to the size of the trump tax cuts, to size of many other policies that have only benefitted the rich. so, look, john, i'm not going to try to tell you it's perfect. i'm someone critical of issues in the past but i think it's a

step in the right direction. and biden has gonna lot of things to get money into the pockets of working class americans, like the bipartisan infrastructure deal. if he can focus on implementing that, putting this issue behind him, having admittedly not satisfied either the right or the left on college loans, they can he can possess on the bipartisan infrastructure plan, billions in the pockets of hard working americans. >> john: before we go, key in what you said in terms of injecting money into the economy. jason furman tweeted this out yesterday, pouring roughly half a trillion dollars of gasoline on the inflationary fire reckless. this is a democrat who says bad idea, don't do it. >> look, you are going to find critics on both sides of the aisle. what president biden is trying to do is find compromise and move forward and a real problem. it's not a perfect solution. i have my concerns about it too,

primarily it does not address the underlying issue, colleges keep raising tuition. but it's going to help a lot of americans and we should celebrate that. >> sandra: and there in massachusetts you know a lot about high college tuition as well. >> we do. we do. >> john: thank you for joining us. appreciate it. >> thank you, john. >> sandra: california expected to set a deed line to ban gas-powered vehicles, a move other states are expected to follow. alaska will not be one of them. governor dunleavy next. >> john: urgent call for president biden to take action in ukraine as the threat of a nuclear disaster grows. >> if we do not stop putin here in ukraine, we should stop putin somewhere in poland, the baltics, alaska, and who knows where it would be his crazy idea for the next year.

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>> john: violent crimes are taking a toll on major cities this summer. catalytic converter thefts more than doubling in new york city, up 270% this year, according to the nypd and in chicago, city officials are getting crafty to stop the spiking crime. live at a chicago auto body shop. what's the plan there, grady, other than buying an electric car? >> john, the suggestion is that you should point your catalytic converter a bright color like hot pink so you know if it's been stolen and you see somebody walking down the street one with of these things, hot pink. i guess it might be obvious. that's the plan for now. we are with joe betencourt from joe's expert auto so we have this car above us, this is a jeep liberty, it's got two catalytic converters, one there and one there. this was hit last week? >> a week and a half ago.

>> you have been seeing a crazy amount of these. >> epidemic. >> 11 last week. >> you finish three, you get i have five. >> the amount of load that's inside the catalytic converter, more load so those are targeted. >> like a prius. >> exactly, the prius, honda element, subaru foresters, but expanding to anything they can get under. >> you don't necessarily agree with the plan to paint them bright colors but you have a solution for people if they are worried about it, especially in big cities. and while we do this, i want to show you some numbers. in 2021 alone, 52,000 catalytic converter claims, it's covered, good thing, 1200% increase from the previous year, just

absolutely insane, why some drivers might want to get one of these shields. show me how this would work. >> the shield sits directly under the vehicle, it gets fastened by security screws and technically slows them down. limits the access to the catalytic converter. >> you buy yourself a little bit of time if you have a shield on it, might take 20, 30 minutes to steal instead of 2 to 3 minutes. >> john: can't believe people are still stealing those. but as of 2035 in california, there won't be any to steal. grady, thank you. sandra. >> sandra: if they can meet that goal, we'll ask somebody. california will ban gas-powered vehicles, the first state in the nation to make that move. more than a dozen other states are expected to follow, according to around a third of all car sales in the nation.

one state you will not be seeing follow suit, alaska. now that state's governor mike dunleavy joins us live. i should let you speak for yourself, sir. could you imagine alaska going that route? >> forced conversion to electric, i don't think so. i think, you know, we still believe in a market-driven economy. with that said, the issues with alaska also it can get quite cold up here, especially in the northern part of the state. so you know, we are going to keep an eye on the evolution of this technology. i find it fascinating that california and other states are actually going to go through a forced conversion process. we'll see how that turns out. but usually when you go through a forced conversion, it does not turn out well. >> sandra: am i correct you are leaving the door open? >> along our coast, for example, we have hydro power. we have electricity produced by hydro. $0.11, $0.07 hydro hour.

run off of electricity there, but for the most part, the state, it's going to be difficult, especially with this technology, difficult to run anything but a combustion engine for some time in the state. no, we are not contemplating joining that group of states that are joining california. >> sandra: not something you are against, fair to say. but the forced conversion is what you are against. i want to put this on the screen for perspective of where we are in the united states, one that clearly this administration and a lot of democratic governors continue to push. the average new electric vehicle in this country today, and it keeps rising, is now $66,000. new gas vehicle is still at $43,000. although you will probably tell me that cocould soon change because so many of these car makers are seeing this forced conversion in some states, and seeing the willingness of some governors to push this, more and more building the electric vehicles but they are expensive,

governor. >> you know, they are expensive. and really, the question is how is california going to produce the electricity and the amount they need to power the vehicles because if you look at where california gets electricity, a lot from gas, hydro power. and with the drought out west, a question next year whether they can produce electricity in some dams, such as hoover dam. but they import electricity from utah and arizona and wonder if it's produced by coal or some other fossil fuel. but long story short, you got to -- you have to have an understanding where your electricity is going to come from, power, a. and b, i think you will see a pretty robust market in used cars, and not saying california is going to look like cuba or havana with 1966 chevys, but combustion around for a long time. >> sandra: california meeting the demand with electricity and charging stations, 73,000

charging stations in that state right now, according to their energy commission. to meet the demand we are talking about by 2030, they would have to build up to 1.2 million. and just to give you an idea of the share of the market overall the electric vehicles are in the united states right now, only 4.4%, so a long way to go. i know that you are sitting in a state with a lot of resources, people are feeling a lot of pain right now from sky high gas prices still up 1.50 from when this president took office. it's surprising to me, you don't see this administration doing much to help those americans who are now working two full-time jobs, many of them, to pay for this inflation. your final thought on whether or not this administration should be doing more to help out those folks. >> this inflationary period is artificially created, and we have plenty of oil in the country, plenty of gas in the country and just had washington

to stop sanctioning us, states like alaska, texas, dakotas, louisiana, pennsylvania, we would have copious amounts of energy to share with our fellow americans and the rest of the world. but for reasons i can only see as some type of social engineering, using the fossil fuels in alaska or the united states, we would rather go to saudi arabia, possibly iran and have conversations with them. it hurts alaska, american, and hurts the world. we'll see where it goes. right now, the policy is not a good policy for the country. >> sandra: governor, appreciate the conversation. thank you for joining us. >> john: only woke professors need apply. university of california system now telling potential faculty members they need to make a dedication to diversity, equity or inclusion to be hired or a promotion.

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unfollowed him on instagram. and rumors swirled a fight over their dog caused the break-up. the "rambo" star says that is not true. days after the split he covered a large tattoo of her face on his right bicep with an image of butkiss, his canine companion on "rocky." and you learn about it on instagram with an unfollow. >> john: unfollowed on instagram, bad things will happen. we wish them both well, and butkis as well. fairfax county, virginia, teachers are being trained to help students with their gender transitions without parental consent. debra joins us now, fairfax county school parent and former

teacher. i wanted to put out a quiz slide with training materials to show folks at home what teachers are being asked and what the policy is promoting here. parent permission is required for which of the following? the student requests the teacher can call by chosen name in classes, no. a student requests to use the locker room that corresponds with identified gender, no. use of a private bathroom, no. the correct answer here is none of the above. your reaction. >> you know, this is just completely tragic what is happening. parent rights are being obstructed left and right by this school system and they are using loopholes and laws to try and get around it. parents need to know, school psychologists are required to ensure that parents provide fully informed consent as well as the children and this is not happening. they are colluding to circumvent laws parents have the right to know what is in the child's

family educational record. it's absurd what's happening. >> john: put up another slide, a quiz slide from the training program. says with the updates to the student information system, students can choose to do the following. change their name on records in sis, only with parent permission, no. appropriate legal name change documentation, no. they can change their name without parent permission and identify as male, female or non-binary without parent permission. it was a huge issue in loudoun county last year, the parents felt they were cut out of the loop intentionally and yet it appears to be happening again in fairfax county, one of the biggest school districts in the nation, one of the most affluent, too. >> yes. and there is -- you know, no focus on where they need to be, especially in the area of literacy and educational needs. huge amounts of learning loss has happened and instead they are focusing on pronouns and

gender identification whereby they are circumventing parent rights and hundreds of years of child development for an agenda that is not for the best interests of children. >> john: nicole kneely, who leads parents defending education said the following to the washington examiner, by removing parental notification from the process, they are encouraging students to lead a double life at school for a district that spends so much money on students' emotional well-being, hard to say how undermining the relationship between his or her family is beneficial in the long run. what will happen when the parents are left out of the loop on such important issues? >> well, it blocks the parents from being involved and also blocks the parents rights to get their child the correct and appropriate quality care that they deserve and should have. the school system is borderline

actings an a medical facility. we know transgenderism and expanse -- parents have the right to know to get the children the appropriate help. doing this circumvents that. the school psychologists are aware and they are required to ensure that parents are providing consent only an emancipated minor or age of majority can make the consent. it has to be fully informed consent and that is not happening. it's very clear in the manuals. >> john: we reached out to fairfax county and the unions, no response. thank you. >> thank you. >> sandra: american express accused of racial discrimination? details on an explosive lawsuit

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>> sandra: american express is facing a class action lawsuit.

the credit card giant accused of racial discrimination against employees who are white. kelly o'grady reporting for fox business. tell us about it, hello. >> hey, good to see you, sandra. former american express employee of 20 years alleging that following the george floyd protests the credit card giant implemented anti-racism policies that gave preferential treatment to individuals for being black. he told fox digital he believes there was callous indifference to civil rights laws by terminating him because he's white. they would use town halls to brand the company as systemically racist and taught white employees were not allowed to talk before their black counterparts in meeting, and claiming executives were given financial incentives that accounted for at least 15% of annual bonus to decrease the percentage of white employees in their departments, resulted in hundreds of white employees being terminated.

a spokesperson saying it's false and without merit, and the company has a long standing commitment to living our values, fostering an inclusive culture where all can thrive. and a number of allegations in recent years recording the dei initiatives, including that it included the great grandson of the nation of islam founder how capitalism is racist, and a new initiative called the un-american express campaign, to debunk the company's image. many say you don't have to work there if you don't want to, but some are frustrated by alleged reverse discrimination. >> sandra: interesting to see where that goes. thank you. john. >> john: knew at 2:00, backlash for the biden administration over the president's plan to bail out students saddled with college loan debt. and new estimates how much it could cost taxpayers.

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the thumb's up to giving white teachers the boot before anyone else. >> john: welcome back as "america reports" rolls into a second hour. i'm john roberts in washington. good to be with you as well. >> sandra: you as well. sandra smith in new york. back to school and back to the policies giving parents around the countries headaches. >> john: one of america's least favorite mayors in recent memory will soon be instructing eager minds at one hallowed institution. details ahead on de blasio heading to harvard. begin new at 2:00 with the white house struggling to explain who is on the hook for president biden's massive student loan handout. now estimated to cost a half a trillion dollars if not more. >> sandra: the president facing backlash from both sides of the aisle and from some of his friends in the media. >> john: critics say it's bigger than a single handout, but the

latest gift for folks who would rather stay home instead of working. >> sandra: joey jones is fired up, and the sacrifices he and others have made in order to pay for education. fox team coverage from the white house, hillary vaughn on the seemingly never ending perks fueling unemployment woos. >> john: and president doocy -- did i say president doocy? peter doocy. what's the message today? >> peter: during the campaign joe biden said i could be vice president but the first time i've been promoted to president. we were listening to most of the white house briefing that i believe is just about to wrap up, white house officials know they are kind of on an island here because even vulnerable democrats in swing states in the midterm elections are coming down against this plan to forgive some student debt.

for example, senate candidate, tim ryan in ohio says waiving debt for those on trajectory to financial security sends the wrong message to the million in ohio who without a degree, working just as hard to make ends meet. and then chris papfis, a democrat running for the house in new hampshire, he says this announcement by president biden is no way to make policy and side steps congress and the oversight and fiscal responsibility. any plan to address student debt should go through the legislative process and it should be more targeted and paid for so it does not add to the deficit. and going to add to inflation, too, according to an obama white house economist. >> it's the largest, i believe, amount of money ever disbursed by an executive order and so we just have to really kind of gasp a little bit at the scale of all this. in terms of the economy, yes, it is going to nudge us to the inflationary side.

>> peter: the white house is really struggling to explain how exactly this plan is going to get paid for. they talk about how the deficit is lower now than when they took office, but nothing about how any of this is going to be paid for. >> it is irresponsible and unfair. we should not be forcing blue collar workers to pay for the education of folks who are going to college and university law school and getting their mba. >> peter: president biden is coming here to maryland this evening for a midterm kick-off rally. we expect to hear him rattle off the list of things he thinks are going great during his first term, including this student debt cancellation. john. >> john: all right. president doocy, nice ring to it. >> peter: i love that, i love that. >> sandra: congratulations, peter. a look at the perks keeping people at home. hillary, how much are we talking about here?

>> sandra, it is a lot and the president's decision to pay off some people's college debt is the cherry on top. dodging debt is just one of many pandemic-era perks that seem never ending, and also making it easier for people to be super picky about whether or not they have to go back to work, and that is a problem because businesses are having a hiring crisis. 64% of business owners reported trying to hire last month, but a whopping 91% of them found hardly any qualified applicants to fill the job. the heritage foundation telling fox business this "lots of factors are playing into this, including the $600 a week insurance benefits lasted nearly 18 months, other welfare without work increases, and student loan moratoriums, a windfall of about 400 bucks a month."

those extra generous programs have paid off, according to the u.s. chamber of commerce. americans have stashed away $4 trillion overall into their savings since early 2020. >> it's all about the government just giving people stuff. i mean, it's all about the government playing santa claus and that's what this bill is. more and more free stuff from government as if it's somehow from heaven. >> not just the extra cash keeping some young people on the couch. high inflation is making work less attractive. even though the president says inflation is his number one priority, he still moved forward with the sweeping loan forgiveness, some say will only make it worse. interestingly, sandra, high wages that businesses are forced to pay to entice people to work for them is also working against them. because the u.s. chamber of commerce says about 27% of women

say their spouse is making more now they don't have to go back to work. >> john: speaking of thousands, if peter were the president, she would be the first lady, right? and joey jones saying i cannot believe i gave two legs for my tuition, what a joke i am, oohrah. critics say it's fundamentally unfair. >> there is a fairness element, that was more making fun of myself than anything, saying listen, you can give your body and soul to the country and don't do it because you expect something in return, you don't do it because you expect a benefit or even to get ahead in life, you do it because you believe it's the right thing to do and you can do. and you juxtapose that, and an entire generation of americans

told the only way to make it in life is go to a four-year school, a state school or private school if you can get into it. you didn't focus on the type of degree, just the fact of the degree, and then you go out and take 100,000, $200,000 in student loans to get it. and then our government looks at this and right before midterm elections decides providing forgiveness for those who have a higher propensity to be a higher income household rather than those that maybe like my dad were a brick and block mason or trade work that is a huge labor deficit, they don't need attention. only those with the student loan. my gripe is it's about purchasing votes rather than helping americans and i can tell you why in one quick statistic. how much aid challenges universities to provide more skolships or lower tuition. since 1980, tuition has tripled after being adjusted for

inflation. on top of that, look at the school i went to, georgetown university, 2.5 billion in endowment. texas, 42 billion. notre dame, michigan and texas a&m, $12 billion in an endowment. this type of aid only helps the higher education institutions, it does not help americans. >> john: no question the endowments are high. gretchen smith who runs code of vets opposed it in april and posted this on twitter on tuesday. i grew up in poverty in the mountains of north carolina. i ate out of a garden, lived in government housing, shopped at yard sales. i joined the air force, earned my g.i. bill, obtained four degrees and created my own version of the american dream. i am not responsible for your student debt. she tweeted similar and linkedin in april, linkedin took it off saying they violated the hate

speech policy. some people are responding to her, equivalent between the g.i. bill and the student loan forgiveness. people forgiven the loans now, all they did was go to school. they did not serve in the military. >> well, you could draw a closer -- you could draw a closer resemblance to go into public service for loan forgiveness, but a bad deal. if you go to college, go to college, get education and try to make money. go and try to provide for your family. there is an easy plan here. spend ten years in the industry you are educated in, make as much money as you can, pay off your house, a good nest egg together and then work for a non-profit. i have someone blowing my messages up yesterday complaining to me about the student loan forgiveness because it's not enough. what she forgot to mention, she went to a non-profit on purpose and a private school for law school, those are decisions she made and did not have at that make. if you put yourself in a debt,

put yourself in position to get out of it. that's what we should expect from americans and that's what service members who put their life on the line did. listen, i'm against using a benefit post service to get you to enlist to begin with. i didn't use the g.i. bill. i used vocation al rehab because my life was turned upside down and i needed opportunity but i earned it. that's all we ask. all we ask is americans make wise decisions and our government regulate this cultural emphasis on a specific monolithic path of education and look back at some trade school and high schools places like georgia are doing that provide an opportunity for americans to make money, not just expand their minds looking at socrates shadows on the wall. >> the president often says that we are not in recession because we have, you know, record job

market, record low unemployment, businesses investing in america at record rates. so why are those appropriate conditions to forgive student debt? >> thank you for laying out all the work that the president has done, that is 1,000% correct. we have also said we know that some people are still suffering. you've heard us say that, too. yes, the economy can be turned back on and created what you just laid out, nearly 10 million new jobs since the president took office that matters. the economy is stronger than it's been in some time. but, and we have said that, you've heard the president say there are still some folks who need a little bit more help, and this is what the president is trying to do. both can be true. it's not one or the other. >> john: so jacqui heinrich with the juxtaposition, the president says the economy is great but people are suffering because their economy is not great so they need the student loan relief.

>> i don't remember if it was washington post or wall street journal, one pointed out the cost of the program null ifies the deficit reduction of the inflation reduction act over ten years and that's astonishing. it shows dirty politics. spent two weeks selling us on a bill to reduce the deficit and then coming out with programs that will essentially get rid of that deficit reduction and won't bring it back up. that's a bad sticking point there they cannot stand to live with. it's our job in november to remind them we paid attention. >> john: joey jones, as always, good to see you. thanks for joining us. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> john: the committee for responsible federal budget said, sandra, changes announced today, yesterday, will likely cost more than double the amount through the recently passed inflation reduction act, completely eliminating disinflationary benefit from the bill. if you redues the deficit you

spend more. >> sandra: some sound from the white house, where jacqui heinrich was able to press the press secretary on just that, and seems this white house is admitting they can't really tell american taxpayers how much exactly we are all on the hook for here. we'll play that out in a moment. meanwhile, with americans footing the bill for others to go to college, you might want to know exactly how your money is being spent. harvard students are paying a fortune and expecting the best bang for their buck are getting bill de blasio instead. why the former new york city mayor who called himself an expert in being unpopular teaching anybody about success in politics? that's just ahead.

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well as senior former officials within the government in the u.s. are urging president biden to increase pressure so international experts have the means to visit this site. and today the british ministry of defense is claiming that russia is increasing its presence at the site, moving armored vehicles within just 200 feet of the reactors. the death toll is continuing to rise from russian attacks on ukraine's independence day. 25 people are dead as attacks on a passenger train completely destroyed, five people burned inside the train cars. dozens of people survived, but they are hospitalized with burns and shrapnel wounds, and among them are kids. >> in addition to a severe stress reaction, they have blast and shrapnel injuries, burns and fractures. the children were severely wounded. >> russia sharing a very different story saying it was a train carrying ukrainian troops

heading to the front lines. back here in kyiv, there were bombs overnight hitting just 15 miles north of the city. ukrainian officials in the capital warning people not to be numb to the attacks and to continue to use their bomb shelters. >> sandra: california moving to ban the sale of new gas-powered vehicles by the year 2035. we are joined by author of "false alarm, how climate change panic costs us trillions." bjorn, as so many americans do, but you are against the mandates and just saw a tweet you put out in the last hour asking the question because of this california news, if electric cars are really better, why do

you need to ban gasoline cars? why naturally wouldn't people just move in that direction? to you on that. >> exactly, sandra. and underscores the fundamental point. look, you are going to get people to buy electric cars when they are better and/or cheaper. what you are telling us is they are not going to be cheaper, they are not going to be better, and so we have to ban it to make you buy them. that's a huge loss. of course, the biden administration own energy administration tells us r in march of this year, tells us that even by 2050 electric cars will just make up 13% of american cars. barring that they are fantastically go with innovation, or that we keep on massively and unaffordably bribing people by giving them $7,500 for every car. you can get more people to keep

buy them if you bribe them. we can hand them out for free at shopping centers but we cannot afford to do so. >> sandra: the governor of alaska dunleavy joined us last hour, they sit on a lot of resources not being used because of all the red tape from this administration, and the fact that the biden administration continues to move in this direction, whether the market warrants it or not. he had this one very big question with this goal in california. listen. >> the question is, how is california going to produce the electricity in the amount they will need to power the vehicles. and they import electricity from states like utah and arizona, and produced by coal or other fossil fuel? >> fair question, right, bjorn? >> and two problems. one, we don't have enough power. obviously we can push more power through, but can you actually get that and certainly can you get it green, that's going to be really hard. people are not just willing to power their electric vehicles

when the sun is shining or when the wind is blowing. they'll probably want to do it at night and what happens when the wind is not blowing. the second part, of course, you also have to remember in order to make electric vehicles cheap, you build most of the batteries in, for instance, china, made with mostly coal, and so the reality is yes, electric vehicles cut a little bit of emissions but not nearly as much of what you think. so the international energy agency cut ten tons, for most people that does not mean anything. a third of their emissions over their lifetime. remember, you could have bought that reduction at the u.s. trading for about, you know, $100 or so. it's ridiculous to spend $7,500 to do that instead. >> interesting. and by the way, your point about them being so expensive. e.v. average, price of an electric vehicle today, 66,000, compared to a new gas vehicle.

affordability is a huge factor as well. and inflation reduction act you say does little to reduce climate change. something we heard a lot from the administration and democrats that it does do. you say democrats are cheering but by 2100 it's likely to cut the temperature by only 0.0009° fahrenheit? >> yeah. so, look. biden has told us it's the most significant legislation in history to tackle the climate crisis and it will cut u.s. emissions probably about 8%. but not nearly as much as what they are telling you about, 40% or something. most would have happened anyway. but if you put that reduction into the u.n. climate panel's own climate model, you then see what happens if we do nothing, then temperature increases, what happens if we do the inflation reduction act, it increases almost the same. even if -- you can't tell the

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>> they are circumventing again parent rights and hundreds of years of child development. weaponizing the innocence of child development for an agenda

that is not for the best interest of children. >> john: parent and former teacher in fairfax county sounding off over a new policy that keeps parents in the dark about their own children, to keep it secret if the kids make moves to changing gender identity, like changing names and pronouns on school records and using a different restroom or locker room without asking for parents' approval. chief washington correspondent mike emanuel is here with more, all this in the name of gender equity. you talked to folks who are not happy. >> the training is called supporting gender and transgender youth, one slide, parent permission for which of the following, teacher call by chosen name in classes, locker room that corresponds with the ge ge gender identity, and then ways

to change a students name, all three say parental permission is not required. one mom says fairfax county schools are crossing the line. >> they are getting into areas that are parental rights areas and you should be able to have conversations with your children based on your own personal values about what you think about gender identity or any kind of identity affirmation as it pertains to your children. >> one fairfax county school father told us the school system is driving a wedge between parents and educators. >> my daughter has been asked about her pronouns in every class she's been to this first week, yet they don't have teachers for some of the classrooms. so it's -- you wonder where we are spending our energy and effort and resources on this type of work when we could be focused on educating and hiring people. >> we asked for guidance and

have gotten no response. >> both of us with kids in fairfax county, you would think if your child is asking for something in this regard, as a parent you want to know about it. >> be looped in. it does not say if you are over 16 they can do it on their own, they are basically saying parents don't need to know. >> john: great report. thank you. >> sandra: the world of academia another push to the left. some colleges requiring professors to pledge allegiance to diversity, equity and inclusion in order to get hired or promoted. live at ucla, so william, where did this push begin? >> well, the push for a more universally woke faculty actually started here at ucla in 2018, and it said it required any applicant for a faculty job would have to pledge or commit

and describe their past, present and future contribution to equity, diversity, inclusion. now these are almost nationwide, and u.c. davis inspiring diversity statements, nyu, experience in inclusion and diversity. >> call it political, activist commitment, for me, we want our students to have the best experience, feel valued by the professor, we want professors to reflect on who they are engaging with when they come to the classroom. >> professor bosa coaches applicants to focus their statements on racial oppression, seccism, homophobia, trans phobia, ablism, or other things

to get hired. others think the statements should be banned. >> we are putting a kind of filter or a screen on our incoming group of faculty to ensure that the next generation thinks in the same way about the controversial issues. >> so some pushback, sandra, a coalition of faculty nationwide basically said these amount to a liberal litmus test and they want them to end, partially because they really limit diversity of thought. back to you. >> sandra: ok, thank you. john. >> john: sandra, bring in kerry lucas, her five kids attend fairfax county schools and president of the independent women's forum, a conservative women's non-profit. great to have you with us today. start with what mike emanuel was reporting on, the teacher training program, and let's put the slide on the screen again. parental consent not required for some very important issues.

your thoughts on that. the yeah, you know, it's kind of amazing. i get phone calls from the nurse's office if my kid has a scraped knee or needs an ice pack. it's amazing that this is the kind of information that these -- teachers would be told they should be keeping from parents. obviously parents should be involved and in the loop about something so important with their kids. >> john: i get the same calls, my daughter goes to the nurse's office, seems like every other day sometimes. why are school boards intentionally cutting parents out of the loop? we saw the same thing at loudoun county schools. >> yeah, absolutely. you know, this is disturbing, it's part of a pattern they have been treating parents as kind of guilty before proven innocent or no way for parents to be seen as innocent enough to be involved in these conversations when it comes to gender identity. i think it's really a tremendously disturbing development and it needs to stop. these public school boards, they have a lot on their plate. we have bus driver shortages, we

have teacher shortages, classrooms that are overcrowded and falling test scores. these are the things they should be focused on, not cutting parents out of the loop when it comes to really important mental health issues. >> john: clearly there are a lot of important issues when it comes to children's education that seem to be lower on the list of priorities than some other things. i'm just wondering, why do school boards think that it's right to not tell parents? >> you know, you got me. you know, and it's interesting, i think it's important and i appreciate the slides have made it to the light of day. it's obviously not their intention, did not want this to go public but i think there are a lot of teachers out there who want this to be known, they are on our side. i think that's important for parents to understand so they can engage on this. the best thing we can do as parents is to ask questions and get involved in the classroom. don't let them shut you out. this -- these are our kids and we deserve to have this

information. >> john: move on to william's topic, the university of california system requiring statements on diversity, equity and inclusion from either perspective, faculty, or people who are looking for a promotion. is this elevating political correctness above academic achievement, and what does it do to academic freedom? >> this is absolutely appalling and everything that is wrong with higher education today. this is group think, trying to force everyone kind of to go down one line of ideological thought, and that's the opposite of what college and universities are supposed to be about. it's especially disturbing in light of the recent news that we are going to be wiping away student loan debt and the biggest beneficiaries of that will be the higher education institutions, unaccountable for offering useless degrees to kids. people need to push back and say we are not going to patronize

schools that embrace this group think. >> john: and very controversial situation in minneapolis, the minneapolis federation of teachers and local school board have entered into an agreement, when it comes to laying off teachers, race will take precedence over seniority. the president of the national american federation of teachers appeared to endorse this, she was quoting the local aft president and said thshgs the same people who want to take down teachers' unions and blame seniority are defending it for white people. this is all made up by the right wing now. is this a right wing issue or a what's right issue? >> hey, you know, obviously there is a lot of problems with the union contracts and the way that our teachers are judged. but the idea of making, judging teachers based on their race is obviously on its face disgusting. so we need to move back from this. and again, you know, when i look at all of this, literally every story we talked about today is we need to get people back in charge of these educational institutions and have some more

power and certainly when it comes k-12 education, parents need to be able to get the resources and take their kids elsewhere, it's a school choice, rather than being stuck with the schools that don't respect parents. >> john: quick, as a parent of five kids in fairfax county public schools, what are you going to do about this training program we just learned about? >> i'm going to keep talking about it. ask questions and talk about it, ask my kids what they are hearing. that's my jobs an a mom and dad, or as a mom to be as involved as i can. >> john: aware of what your kids are doing. good to talk to you, appreciate it. >> thank you. >> sandra: bill de blasio heading to harvard. >> john: and the backlash over president biden's big handout. some of his friends in the media are calling it a mistake. our panel debate is coming up next.

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>> john: he was a nationally known politician who hoped for the white house, congress, even governors mansion were met with a collective yawn, even the sympathetic "new york times" had the following headline, bill de blasio thinks he could be governor. does anybody else? reflection of his lack of

popularity. again, that's the "new york times," not the "new york post." but looks like bill de blasio has found one place he is wanted. the classroom at harvard. laura ingall live in new york city. >> he does have a new job, heading to harvard as you mentioned where he will teach this fall. de blasio will hold two positions now, senior leadership fellow at the t.h. chan school of public health and visiting fellow at the harvard institute of politics. he served as democratic mayor from 2014 to 2021, will take part in a variety of discussions, programming, as well as teaching classes on leadership and public service. harvard's interim director of the institute of politics says de blasio's decades of experience in federal government, agencies, national

campaigns and running the largest city in the country will provide invaluable insight. less than 40% of voters approved of him. and paul marra was on fox with reaction. >> you know, to me this is like hiring the coach of the last place team. terrific people, great professors, wonderful programs. i don't expect bill de blasio to be among them. >> beyond what many called repeated policy disasters for the city, he was fodder for back pages, including the time he dropped a groundhog and was blamed for its death. he tweeted wednesday he is very optimistic about the generation of leaders and activists coming up. he says it will be a privilege to offer lessons i have learned through decades of public service. the new gig begins after an unsuccessful campaign for the 2020 democratic presidential nomination. de blasio flirted with running

for governor for new york and later mounted a brief run for congress. we'll see how this goes. >> john: laura, we'll never forget the groundhog, that's for sure. >> yeah, 2014. >> john: tuition at harvard, $52,659 a year. bill de blasio. >> sandra: hard to believe some things. the backlash of the student loan handout, it's not just lawmakers, even some friends in the media are slamming this. the "washington post" calling it regressive, expensive mistake. let's bring in our power panel. let me put it on the screen, the "washington post" editorial board. takes money from the broader tax base, mostly made up of workers who did not go to college to subsidize the education debt of people with valuable agrees. biden's student loan decision will not do enough to help the

most vulnerable americans. it will, however, provide a windfall for those who don't need it with american taxpayers footing the bill. there are a lot of critics ab now both sides of the aisle on this plan. >> you may remember on the board of governors of shepherd university, harvard on the potomac, if you have not been there. we don't know the full impact this is going to have, for example, will interest rates go up on those who actually do have student loans. the full impact is not known on the president's action. what is known is the democrats are starting to peak way too early in august. and as we see gas prices continue to stay where they are, as you continue to see home fuel prices continue to be high, as you see this backlash that we have on student loans, you have democratic candidates that are going to continue to run away from this president. >> sandra: hardly to imagine

anybody who does not benefit will be happy about it. karine jean-pierre was pressed a few moments ago how much this is going to cost. listen. >> critics are saying it's not about the pandemic, not about those conditions, that this is about getting people to vote ahead of the midterms, that the real national emergency is democrats in the midterm elections. >> we have said we are not going to make everybody happy and so if we are not making everybody happy, you cannot say that, you know, what you just laid out is certainly cannot be the case either. >> sandra: ok. so, that was jacqui heinrich, our own reporter presser her. the economy is so great, and not knowing the cost, a different thought. but if the economy is so great as the white house often paints a rosy picture of what's happening, why are handouts needed, harold? >> thanks for having me on. i'm not for this, i think if you are going to do a student loan forgiveness, you ought to condition -- we have needs with

plumber, electricians, with teachers, with nurses, with family doctors, if you want to provide some relief for that group of people at your college or any college we should be doing that. fundamentally, foundationally as americans, we have to have a stake in the country. democrats believe in a progressive tax system. but to just hand out or to give out student loan forgiveness without any regard for fairness for those students that you laid out rightfully so, my parents took out a loan for me in my third year of law school, and i had to pay my loan like everyone else had that pay theirs and the inflation, jason furman, my friend, no republican, has made clear half a trillion dollars on top of what we are dealing with now is not going to tame it. seems inflation has flattened, gas prices coming down. narrative for democrats. i hope it does not disrupt. we had a good night the other

night in new york with moderates winning, i'm hopeful it does not deter and distract us what we should be focused on. >> sandra: he's so good, he makes so much sense. not what the administration -- i want to get now to karine jean-pierre a short time ago, now getting pressed on the true cost of this plan. listen. >> you could say this is how much it's going to cost. >> i mean we just don't have a number to share at this time. >> why don't you? >> we have to see -- it is a process we just need to take a look. >> sandra: all right, so we'll have more on this and have you guys back because we are out of time. thank you very much for joining us. all right. appreciate it, guys. we'll be right back. for every veteran homeowner who needs money for their family, it's a new day in america. air force, pararescue, five years. home values are at record highs. the newday 100 va loan lets veterans borrow up

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the real friday is coming up tomorrow. >> sandra: feels good. great to be with you. a jam packed two hours. thanks to you for joining us. i'm sandra smith. >> john: i'm john roberts. the only sad thing about tomorrow, it's the second last friday of the summer season. >> sandra: don't say it. enjoy. >> john: enjoy every moment. i'm john roberts. martha maccallum is standing by. she has "the story" that starts right now. >> martha: indeed it does. thanks. good afternoon, everybody. i'm martha maccallum. senator tim scott and jared kushner both join me today to talk politics and the future of the country ahead on "the story." right now we await president biden's departure from the white house. we'll see what and if he says anything on his way out. he's speaking at a democratic national committee rally as an internal fight is underway in the democratic party. many fear the half trillion in