are filtering out the information piece by piece. >> thank you very much for this. a quick update, reporting about this push in california. california regulators have gone ahead and required by the year 2035, all cars, trucks, suvs, will not run on gas, they will run on electricity or be a hybrid. >> hello, i'm judge jeanine pirro along with harold ford jr., jesse watters, dana perino, and -- it's 5:00 in new york city, and this is "the five." ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ democrats can run, but they cannot hide from joe biden's half a billion dollars free-for-all. public democrats in some tough midterm races are waking up to

the reality that swing voters might not be so kind to a party that cannot stop pouring gasoline onto the inflation fire. they are revolting against biden's bailout with some sharp reviews, calling it "out of touch," and saying that it sends the wrong message. even the left-leaning "washington post" is calling it a regressive and expensive mistake. the white house responding to all of that and dismissing concerns. >> if this is about getting people to vote ahead of the midterms, the real national emergency is democrats in the midterm election. >> i disagree with everything you just laid out. we have said we aren't going to make everybody happy, so if you are not making everybody happy, you can't say that what you just laid out -- that can't be the case either. >> one delusional democrat is downplaying all the warning signs and dd about the long-tem

prospects appeared >> how do you feel about the chances of the democrats holding onto the senate customer >> i'm liking it. >> but the biggest question mark is how it will be paid for. taxpayers on the hook for as much as $600 billion, but the white house refuses to tell us a price tag. >> how much does this cost? speak of the are still coming out. it may remind folks -- >> secretary, what is the range of possibilities? >> like i said projections are still coming out based on how many people take advantage of it. >> so there you have it, the president handing out money based on a pandemic, every day he says the economy is great, and every day they say we are not in a recession, every day they say title 42 is no longer

relevant and we are going to use it. we aren't even buying vaccines anymore, so on what basis does the president make a decision that young, healthy, educated people with a long life and a career ahead of them, are entitled to this kind of remedy. i'm looking right at you brian. >> i don't think you wanted to do it. i think he would've done it 18 months ago if he wanted to. the word behind the scenes was the where they got to him, that this is a legacy builder. we are going to build a legacy so that whoever -- and they say "this will help to find you." he knew that this was inherently unfair. it reminds me of what harold ford was saying last night, that this $10,000, the impact is going to make was necessary with his other plan that came through. i'm also laughing at the fact that they are acting as if no democrats are against this. you keep saying republicans with mitch mcconnell, but excuse

me, tim ryan, chris mathis, this senator -- the house member from maine. she rece davis from kansas? there are many high-profile democrats who want nothing to do with this, and now fox's saying saying it's between 500 -$800 billion. >> the interesting thing about that is whether it's half a trillion dollars or more, korea jean-pierre insists on saying "we don't know how much it's going to cost." how could they not know? are they that reckless that they would report our national debt even higher than a trillion dollars?" >> she doesn't know that it's not in the binder, and no windows, and they don't care. she says that experts have told them it's going to break even. experts have not had a good track record the last couple of years.

when is a reporter going to say which expert says that? who is she going to trot out? will you try jay ill? they don't exist! and then, president biden is out there saying "i have the power to do this," like he is america atrophy has dad. let's call it even. can't do that! his family ran things! if you look at the history of the biden family, always getting suspicious -- from donors, a bank gave him a no interest loan for a home. you can't run a country like this. they are saying he is using his pandemic powers. when is it over? never. running the republic as a king, and it's not fair. a republican gets to the presidency, but you cannot compete against a king when congress lets him be a king. usually, you have the middle

class, 50000-100000, now trump -- with those middle-class voters. he has now betrayed the middle class. you cannot just bail out grad students making six figures on the backs of middle class pe people. you can't rated the treasury to pay bribes. we used to have a little bit more class consciousness. may be, he got rolled by the political left. even as you said, these democrats and competitive races they know it's a wedge issue. >> i'm going to ask a question that you asked yesterday. a year ago joe biden -- nancy pelosi, you said they weren't -- does the hybrid education act give them disability? i will say one more thing. jason suggested that it would cost the average taxpayer

$2,000. >> i think it could be higher than $500 billion, because it depends on the income threshold. i also don't think it's the only time that he will do this, and that's why am hoping that somebody brings a lawsuit. i read this article today that says that -- you have the right to sue, but the way that the higher education act reads it's like "wait, none of us have this right" customer can mother thing on the pandemic loans, those were passed by congress. they have put their names on two of these. this is joe biden just saying "i do this with my pen." they had to lean on that 9/11 authority to get this done. that was more military. having to go all the way back there, the hero act -- aoc is not a hero in this. i know somebody who lives in

wyoming who was around her same age. this heavy piece of equipment is used for work around their property, and they also do work for others. pays a lot of bills, it's really great. can't take out a loan, but -- why is she more deserving of loan forgiveness than you? i would love to ask her that, and hopefully, she would have an answer. the last point is about the white house's answers on this. -- who has the authority? they say by the end of the year, it's going to be a wash. there's no such thing as a free lunch. it's coming from you. >> i shared my views about this yesterday. i think you look at this in two ways: fairness and inflation. i think we've talked about fairness around the table today,

and on other shows across the network. if you paid off your debt a year ago, why is it that when the family saved and made sacr sacrifices, it's unfair to that family even by several years a ago? i think democrats will have to explain that a bit. this -- for providing help. teachers, family doctors, nurses, truck drivers, engi engineers. we can go down the list. jesse made the point yesterday about -- criticized for talking about our history. that being said, we will still show off these kinds of dollars. to your point yesterday, financially negotiated in that inflation reduction, so concerns me is that the white house argues you give these kids an opportunity, and millions of americans are affected by this,

and -- many have their debt forgiven all together. businesses can invest more in communities, buy a home, invest in your children's education. finally, the inflation piece -- others have all talked about this. some people need to take the sanctimony out of this. i have heard republican friends in congress be really critical of this. i would remind all of us that when we passed the ppp loans, members of congress had forgivable loans under the law, and that was $2 trillion, and now saying that flexion wasn't caulked -- that inflation was caused by some of this. >> don't you think it's different? one is elective, and the other is a pandemic that, thanks to china, destroyed the country. >> i'm talking about the inflation. i think the sanctimony needs to be removed.

millions of dollars, and unlike a lot of americans, those loans were forgiven. you cannot say inflation -- which it will, but i just will not be on a high horse about it, that at the same time, you know it's going to lead to inflation. >> i think you are eating apples and oranges at the same time. >> but not with inflation, i don't think so. what this president has signed, just needs to take a step back. the white house, if you think it's the right thing to do, you will have to have an answer of where this money comes from. >> marco rubio -- cut the interest rate. some of these go as low as 10%. how did they get away with that? "pay 5%, for the next year, paid 2%. "to me, that makes more sense! >> congress should do it. you cannot just have -- >> pelosi was quoted a year ago saying he couldn't do this. >> but it's all about politics.

the other thing is it's part of an institutional thing they are doing. the colleges are raising that money, and it is not level with inflation it's like an enterprise. >> as you said before, why not pair these university heads and explain why tuition costs have expanded? you know what they are getting for this inflation gap, students? not much. our history majors, kids -- >> a friend of mine has a kid with a business with tools and a truck, has to buy the tools first. he's not getting any kind of a break. doesn't make money if he doesn't sell his tools. it's not fair, it's not fair, it's not fair and that's the end of it. [laughter] coming up next, so much for unity. the top democrat just smeared millions of republican

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♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> cole swindell, great song. thanks for singing and for all of us. [laughter] this is a strategy: insult the people you want to represent comes with a metric for florida's hotly contested governor's race was set just 48 hours ago. this democrat is already writing off nearly 4 million republic and voters. >> those who support the governor should stay with him and vote for him, and i don't

want your vote. if you have that hate in your hearts, keep it there. i want the vote of the people of florida who care about our state. >> he's on the battlefield of heat. i'm on the battlefield of love. if he wants hate, culture wars, dividing people to make them help pay at each other, that's his turf, not mine. i'm on a different plane. >> republican governor ron desantis firing back. >> governor desantis: this is his fifth decade running for office, a chameleon, typical politician. but people support me because i kept the state open and protected their jobs. internally, chris wanted to lock down pure that's not hate in their hearts. they are just appreciative that they have a governor who is standing up for them. >> in this election, he's the beto o'rourke of florida. this nonsense that charlie chris will win against desantis, to me, is nonsense.

did charlie chris just have a "deplorable" moment? >> if he will win with every poll, he has to convince those desantis voters to come to him. like the pirates refusing to win the division. "i refuse to beat teams better than me -- because what's the pirates are not good. >> thank you. [laughter] is a baseball? >> that used to be good. >> and roberto clemente. his approach should be this: "i know that you are voting for ron desantis. i can do the same thing you can do, only x, y, and z." can do the same thing in 2020 -- they didn't vilify donald trump, they vilified donald trump voters. that's what he did in one day. the first day he had the nomination, he alienated two-thirds of republicans.

>> judge, you have run for office. would you ever say anything like this customer >> no, i will tell everyone i wanted their vote. here's the problem: you have the democratic party saying we will unify everybody. how do you unify people by saying "you are full of hate, i don't want your vote, keep it." [laughter] that's just stupid, because he has been a democrat, an independent, and a republican. i'm not sure who he hates or wants to hate, but there's another piece of this. it's not just about this race: it's about the national race, his trying to create a narrative that ron desantis is a hater. he's doing the democrat national committee's work, and that in the end. it's like jenny durkan from seattle. we had a summer of love, and in the end, this course doesn't

work. >> democrats seem to be sweating him already before 2024. do they have reason to be concerned? >> probably, because he is polling high -- people who want to donald trump doesn't run. i would take a different approach. i think he probably would admit he had been up late the night before. think brian nailed it in saying that democrats in '16 and up '20, we intentionally or not attacked voters. they always get it right, even if they won't vote for you. you have to get them to vote for you, not attacked them for voting for somebody else should think when he pressed him about love, and that his campaign will be about inclusion, he should apologize to voters. maybe he did, but if he didn't, he should. "i didn't mean it that way, but what i meant is that i will make florida richer, safer, heal healthier, more secure with my plan. >> he should be talking crime.

>> jesse watters, what do you think? >> i call him charlie chris b. >> he is like a tan dad. >> he is. it wasn't just that he said they have their hate and the parts, but he said "thank god for joe biden." he shot himself in the foot twice, and desantis will wrap those around his burnt face. the judge nailed it: he's not supposed to win. he cut a deal with the white house, had to run out that left wing are in the primary, and then he gets in there and goes scorched-earth on desantis, pulls up a file on the guy and says nice things about joe biden, probably invites him to florida! then, he goes down as a kamikaze and gets appointed someplace in the administration, but has to run that big margin of against him because he needs political capital going nationally. out-of-state against him, but governor desantis will still do well.

he's got a great record, sharp tongue, he's fearless. >> in this last year, i was in florida, from one place to the next. the driver asked if they thought ron desantis would run for president, and "i don't want to lose this." >> they like him a lot. up next, we will look at the documents the doj used to read trumps mar-a-lago home. segment ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

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straight orders the justice department to release the affidavit on mar-a-lago. some of it is redacted, but we know that it laid out the doj's evidence to raid or search president trump's home. president biden finally speaking out. >> mr. president, how much knowledge of their plan did you have for them to search mar-a-lago? >> president biden: zero, not one single bit. >> you have been in the white house, gotten a lot of tough questions. if president bush came off that stage after giving a definitive answer like that, what would you have asked him? i don't know what evidence we have for not believing him. >> not sure -- but the biden white house knew about the documents in mar-a-lago, because the president asking for

executive privilege, that has to go to the president and he has to decide. what biden could have done, and i'm not trying to speak for him, he could say "let me be very clear." -- let me be clear: i knew there was an ongoing discussion about documents, but no idea about the raid." couldn't have been more definitive in that way. i think these reductions will be heavy, and you will see a document -- beep -- other than that, might not know much until summer appeared >> they want to protect witnesses. how mindful should they be of that, and do you buy that argument? this is all speculation still. >> what you've got is a compelling interest by the public and something that involves an ex-president of the united states, a historical

first. the public -- there need to know, juxtaposed against law enforcement not having their witnesses or information, or the trajectory of the investigation being released. i must say, i am impressed that they are saying "i am going to reject it. the government offered you a chance, you redact everything you think is rejectable, and i will -- apparently -- release it before tomorrow at noon time." here's my question: if reinhart, the person who signed the affidavit, if he says to the doj "i don't think you should have redacted this or that," because he knows more about this than anyone other than the department of justice. can reinhart say this on his o own? i think more of this can be released. can reinhart say to trump "you have the right to appeal this." there's a lot we don't know, but

we know that trump will see it from the public season. when you have these competing interests, we always have something here where the judge who showed some implication of making it a little more public has, i think, the right to say "doj, you are covering up too much." i am giving him some benefit of the doubt, some. >> the fact is, such a quick turnaround shows me that the reductions were probably reasonable. the 24 hours later that we were about to get it, he said "can you be serious about this class was customer it shows me that they wanted to get it over with, to a degree, and trump is happy, because he seems to be gaining on this, whether or not -- and other things related to their strengths. one other thing, they did a poll, and said look at the fbi. do you trust them or not trust them? 46% say they trust, 46% say they don't.

19 against the republicans. here is the key: independents, 43% say they trust the fbi, 47% say don't trust and corrupt. that's thanks to -- not to the 30,000 out there grinding it out. the bureau wasn't even informed of this raid, so they are saying "don't blame me for this." they said it's okay to be used by the doj to do this raid when they were trying to be political. he should have pushed back and said "are you kidding me? republicans already don't trust me." >> the affidavit will be in charlie crist's face. you won't be able to see it. [laughter] because he has too much sun. where were you earlier in the show? you are supposed to laugh at my jokes.

[laughter] he has plausible deniability, a paper trail leading back. they have this letter from the archivist. joe biden's white house lawyers looked to him in the spring, and he said "do whatever you want," they revoked the privilege. joe had to know that they were beefing over boxes. they had to know the fbi was involved and they had a national security angle. they had to know what they were looking for. he knows more than he's letting on. "the wall street journal" had an op-ed that came out. two highly respected -- from bush and the reagan administration. they say there is no legal basis for this raid, slam-dunk, the president is on firm, legal ground. that tells me that the republican legal establishment is on trump's side on this. that's significant, because he doesn't always have their back on that.

then, bill clinton had these tapes he made in the white house where he was making all these recordings. he stuffed them in his sock drawer and then said "these are personal." well, went to court and an obama judge said that the president has the authority to determine what is personal and presidential. but, trump doesn't have that authority? please. only to do it again? please. we will learn more tomorrow. >> they say they are our top secret document spared up next next, a school district is bringing back. you heard it right. some parents -- judge, how do you feel about this? we will be right back. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

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♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> a school district in missouri going super old-fashioned, bringing back. children who acted up, they will now be spotted with a paddle as a "last resort." parents have to be okay with it and give the school explicit written permission. some moms and dads have been thanking the school for doubling down on discipline. [laughter] >> you got paddled. do you agree with this form of punishment? >> it works. [laughter] >> it never happened again. my parents were so embarrassed. got their hands up when i got home as well. [laughter] i don't have an issue with this. >> apparently it's legal. >> they said that it's something that the individual states -- whether they will allow it. the concept is that if a teacher is a local -- and in the place of the parent, and the school

district are smart, they are saying to the parents "if you want us to have permission to whack your kid --" >> take them out to. [laughter] and they say, apparently -- but they do not say that h. i assume it's grammar school >> we never did this in the northeast, did we? >> they said they are mostly in the south. but, everyone got hit in school. it was by nuns. they were a lot angrier back them. >> that is why my aunts look like this. >> whatever it was, you were getting hit. the tv was black-and-white. i will say this: having that paddle, the threat -- "your

parents are around the corner, do you want the paddle?" [laughter] just the threat. my mom would not spoon for eating -- for. this would be if i did something bad. >> it sounds like you have eating disorders. [laughter] on his cross-country show saturday night. there is a teacher shortage. one of the things that some of the teachers are saying is that many are leaving because students in the classroom -- behavioral issues that are out of control. you disrespect your teachers, it's a huge problem. not exaggerated, it has come back. i can understand parents --" but also, don't want teachers to deal with the sensitive topics

like gender issues, for example. looking to do that at home. i would want to take care of the paddling myself >> on the butt, right? >> yes, not on the hands. >> you can't cause physical h harm. physical harm, physical injuries where you leave a mark. >> but how do you know? >> the parents will tell you. >> the kids are going to sue the school, and it will never be the same. >> the parents agreed to the. >> we are going to see a lot more from them. >> ahead, democrats taking their own affordable green energy scam to the next level. ♪ ♪

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>> secret>> jack and diane, i dt member the lyrics so i might as well take it from here. [laughter] don't sing during my second, please. california is now the first state in the nation to completely ban the sale of new gas cars by 2035. this just came across, and more than a dozen other states expected to follow california's lead. you are right: good by muscle cars forever. but, who can afford electric cars? they cost an average of $66,000, about ten grand more than americans make on average in an entire year, but of course the white house is trying to say it's all a great idea. >> we can't afford to allow climate change to hit its most catastrophic effect, and can't go longer with our kids breathing in pollution.

coming in from old-fashioned vehicles, not everybody can afford those electric vehicles. that's one of the reasons i'm so pleased with the inflation reduction act, that makes them cheaper for americans -- joe biden, i hope he picks me -- watching a new york, all queued up. dana, we are not ready, we don't have the chips, the cars, the affordability. we have the supplementals. do you think governor gavin newsom is trying to lead a charge towards the presidency using this as symbolism? >> i think so. this is something boris johnson pushed through in the u.k. as well. you are seeing this force-feeding, rather than the market trying to decide. they are not cheaper. on the same day that biden signed the inflation reduction act, the carmakers increased the cost of an electric vehicle by that same amount.

they are not getting less expensive. over time, yes -- but in the meantime, there will be environmental disasters trying to figure out the intervals needed. i'm not against electric vehicles. i am for a all of the above strategy. if california thinks this will help them in the future, do something on climate change, i wish they would think about the fact that that is a global issue, and china is not doing that, india is not doing that. the car companies know that this is such a big market, so that's why they are changing all of their factories over, laying off guys who have traditionally worked on old-fashioned cars. >> 8,000 -- laid off as they do this transition. jesse, what about hybrid? south korea and japan doing hybrids. that seems to be a logical thing. >> what california is illogical. >> they say they are leaders.

>> in what question mike [laughter] >> they believe they are the future. >> did you know they import 70% of their energy? they bring all in from nevada -- am i saying that rights -- an arizona. then, they have good p.r. for how green they are. they bring their fossil fuel energy from out of state. this is like the vaccination mandate, except the shot costs $60,000 or you don't get it, so that's what this is. if you are poor, you -- you are priced out. what if you have a big family? or if you are wealthy and want your traditional hot rod muscle car? again, you are not going to get it. >> you know one of the these issues we looked at was that this ford pickup truck is all electric. "great, i have these reservations." we are not ready to roll them out yet.

we don't have the material necessary to mass-produce these cars. why don't they talk to somebody who makes cars customer >> i'm not as bothered by this. when politicians lay out ambitious goals -- when i used to come to new york, i remember not long after that, mayor bloomberg was looking to ban cigarettes, couldn't smoke in public places. no way they would adopt it across country. the iphone was introduced june . >> a lot of times, when you put american innovators and entrepreneurship together, these things happen. now, i'm like a day now. i am all or the above person. we have found ourselves engaged in a hostile war in europe because of our reliance on natural gas. california is the sixth or seventh biggest economy in the world. if they decided to do this and

are successful at influencing, i think the reverberations around the globe will be positive. kennedy said in 1946 we would get a man on the moon because it's hard. in 1969, we did it. i think you have to lay out these ambushes goals. >> but he did not say "i have to get an electric capsule on the moon, i just have to get to the moon." >> is this a moon shot? >> green energy is not the answer. china is filling our demand for the batteries, the solar panels, for the wind turbines. that's what they don't want to talk about: their coal powered energy plans. china is building more, india is building more. pollution goes from these energy plants to the upper atmosphere. the world suffers from it, but you won't hear them talking about it. even though the cars do not use the gas, the cost to charge the cars puts a burden on the power grid, which is already a burden,

which green energy has nothing to do with. it's almost like we are talking about this, when this over here is the problem! we can to do. it makes it worse. >> tesla was never informed, not even invited to the white house. "one more thing" is coming up next unless i read the wrong line." [laughter] ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

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ask if the packets are resealable. that's it for rihanna. dana? >> dana: new jersey, get ready saturday october 1st favorite two comedians and writers from the gutfeld show will make a rear theater appearance in new jersey. and i'm going to emcee the event. two types of tickets, v.i.p. tickets or general admission. doors open at 6:45. just go and to joe and joe event bright.com. i am filling in for gutfeld tonight parrino exclamation point. >> judge jeanine: nice. >> jesse: know when you are messing around with your friends and one guy takes it too far? which is what happens down here. friendly at first. just clowning around. and then the one guy always just. >> always happens. >> judge jeanine: did he come back? >> jesse: he got paddled. tonight on "primetime," johnny went out and asked people about fauci retiring. let's take a sneak peek. >> what is the best piece of

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