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fbi's search. alexandria hoff kicks things off at the nation's capitol. >> the justice department mounting concerns over the nature and handling of the documents that were brought to mar-a-lago. it described in january, trump representatives turned over 15 boxes of record. by may the department of justice determined mixed in with personal and unrelated paper work were highly classified documents. 184 which had the classification markings. 25 marked top secret and others indicated they contained information on clan destine human sources or spies as one might call them. the probable cause to justify the raid of mar-a-lago, the belief that additional documents might be found along with evidence of obstruction. >> we still don't quite know what the specificity of the obstruction allegation was. was it in the handling of these documents and the reporting of their possession or did it go

to something broader? >> and he suggested that answer might be found beneath the redactions, president biden maintains he had no prior knowledge of the raid. yesterday he was asked about former president trump's claim that he had declassified the documents in his possession. >> well, i just want to know i've declassified everything in the world, come on, declassified. i'm not going to comment because i don't know the detail. i don't want to know. i'll let the justice department take care of that. >> on social media once again, president trump called the investigation a witch hunt. due to a paper work issue, the trump people had to oversee what was collected. griff: alexandria hoff with the latest on that, thank you. aishah: meanwhile, the biden administration is facing pushback on the recently

announced student loan debt, that could cost half a billion dollars. lucas tomlinson has the latest on the criticism. hi, lucas. >> hi, aishah. estimates vary widely, the white house says 240 billion and some are saying twice that. and some experts are saying it will cost $1 trillion. the white house is pushing back. >> they have a wide range of estimating the impacts of our reform of the payment plan. it assumes that 100% of people will take it up. in our mind that's not necessarily a reasonable assumption. >> before leaving for delaware, president biden defended his decision to spend hundreds of billions of dollars in student debt relief. >> this is not going to cause inflation, number one. number two, it will generate economic growth and frees a lot

of people up, it's going to grow the economy. we still have a way to go, but i'm optimistic. >> what some are calling the biggest speech of his career, federal reserve chairman jerome powell says he keeps raising rates to keep inflation down and sent the markets plumme plummeting. >> there will be softer labor market conditions, and it will bring down inflation and also bring some pain to some house olds and businesses. these are the unfortunate costs of reducing inflation, but a failure to restore price stability would mean far greater pain. >> eight democrats said publicly they do not support president biden's student relief plan all running in races, including tim ryan trying to beat jd vance in ohio. aishah: thank you, lucas.

>> facebook ceo mark zuckerberg telling podcast joe rogan that they did suppress stories on hunter biden. >> hey, griff, a lot of people are talking about that story. facebook ceo saying that the fbi warned of russia propaganda ahead of the election and they took it seriously. >> the fbi basically came to us, some folks on our team, hey, just so you know, like you should be on high alert. we thought that there was a lot of russian propaganda in the 2016 election, we have it on notice that basically there's about to be some kind of dump of-- that's similar to that so just be vigilant. >> in the same interview, zuckerberg telling listeners

that facebook kept the story on the website and limited the reach after the warning from the fbi, overall less people saw the story about hunter biden's laptop than otherwise and telling rogin he doesn't remember if they specifically mentioned the new york post article about the hunter biden laptop, but fit the story. and nothing about the hunter biden laptop is now and mark zuckerberg testified before the senate nearly two years ago, and led to lots of outrage, including on twitter, andrew clyde tweeted this, it's not just insane, it's election interference. we did reach out to the fbi for comment on the joe rogan interview and the comment that the facebook ceo made. we haven't heard back. griff: that interview getting a lot of attention. thank you alexis.

aishah. aishah: okay, so for more on this, let's bring in republican congressman from pennsylvania and member of the house education and labor committee, fred keller, and serves on the house oversight committee. welcome to you. let's start with facebook and what mark zuckerberg and meta are saying, that this is nothing new and that they testified about this in a senate hearing back in 2020. what's your take on that. is it time to bring mark zuckerberg back to congress to testify or are they right, this is nothing new? >> well, i think that's the talking point the left always uses when they don't want to dig more deeply into something. oh, this is nothing new, it's old news. hillary clinton tried that many times. it is time to have more light shone on this and get to the bottom of it. i think there should be an investigation on what the fbi communicated to zuckerberg and other media outlets that suppressed and didn't get the story out about not just the

laptop, but anything else that they don't think will help the left in their agenda. so, i think it's time that we really dig into what the fbi is doing and what they may have done in the past. it's hard telling until we have more investigation. i think that should happen and it should be before congress. aishah: and i think that republicans would do that right away if they take the house and i want to talk about student loan cancellation and it's a hot topic and fired up people on both sides of the aisle. people are mad. i know you have a personal story, you didn't wind up going to college because you couldn't afford it. i imagine this is not how congress expected the administration, any administration to use the heroes act. everyone's expecting this to face legal challenges. how do you see this going? >> well, i do think there will be legal challenges, but i think it's more important to take a look at this and in my

experience, as you mentioned, i was a poor kid, i couldn't afford to go to college. in fact, i wanted to go to college, i took the college p pre preparery classes in high school. i went to work and we need to focus how they get education, more than how they get education, but what they learn and how they learn it. we all learn differently and to take college debt from people who signed up for it and give it to those who did not is not the american dream. the american dream is if you work hard, you can succeed in america. i'm proof of that, and you know, i want everybody to have opportunity. we have a bill out there, the republicans do have an answer to this. it does include pell grants for shorter term educational opportunities, but forgiving is not forgiving debt, it's transferring. it's not far giving, it's transferring it.

i just met a man this morning, 28 years old, justin, lives in central pennsylvania, went to college. he said i don't want my debt forgiven. he went for criminal justice and working in construction. he said i don't want my debt forgiven, i understood what i signed up for when i did it. and i think that's the feeling of a lot of americans. aishah: congressman, can i ask you quickly though, i want to go to the point you're making, so many people are taking debt forgiveness, right or fair. what about the universities? you kind of touched on that. why isn't congress doing more to talk about how much money, unrealistic amount for so many americans that universities are charging. what can congress do about that? >> well, i think there needs to be a lot of transparency. i think that students need to understand what an education costs, what they're going to be able to earn with the education they get. i mean, just increasing the amount much money government lend or gives in grants has

allowed the universities to raise the cost of tuition and quite frankly, some transparency, some things we do there, changing who pays the bill doesn't make it affordable. what makes it affordable, the cost and the job you're able to get when you're done and if you're able to service that debt. those are the kind of things that i learned in high school and what students need to understand before they sign up for debt. aishah: i want to touch on the doj and the affidavit for the former president's home in mar-a-lago. and i imagine once you have he seen the redacted portions, that you likely think it's still politically motivated. and the wall street journal editorial board piece. they write as always with mr. trump he seems to have been his own worst enemy in this dispute.

he and his staff appear to be sloppy, even cavalier in storing the documents. congressman, some of these classified documents are mixed in with other stuff, like newspaper articles and magazines and should have been properly stored. do you think that the president perhaps handled the storage of this at least wrong? >> well, not knowing all the facts and not having everything before us, it's amazing how the cameras were shut off at mar-a-lago during the search. if it was done, if it was stored so improperly and poorly you would have left they would have left the cameras on to prove that during the search. i'm saying i'm skeptical when it comes to the doj and proven where they stand on things when you talk about redacted thing. take a look what the fbi did with zuckerberg before the 2020 election. i think a lot of things to look

at here. i don't know if the president stored documents, and maybe some classified documentation, or reference to that in other items stored with it. the fact that the cameras were turned off during the search they didn't want to be open and honest from the beginning. aishah: i hear that we need to gather more information is what i'm getting from you. congressman keller, thank you for joining us on your saturday. appreciate it. >> thank you, aishah, i appreciate it. griff: from the other side of the aisle, we're now joined by democratic congressman from massachusetts, and member of the house transportation and infrastructure committee, jake auchincloss and also on the house services committee. thank you for being here. a lot to get to. let' start with aishah and congressman keller just left off with this affidavit. obviously, we need a lot more information, but we have seen some of what's in this affidavit. what is your reaction and based

on what you're able to see so far, do you believe that former president trump should be indicted for a crime? >> the department of justice is pursuing a neutral and independent investigation that's meant to protect national security. it's not political and amazing to hear the pretzels that my g.o.p. colleagues will twist themselves into over and over again defending this president. the department of justice had probable cause vetted by a judge that donald trump was obstructing justice and in violation of the espionage clause. this is about our national security, our rules as a country. it's just one thing after another with this president. it's espionage, it's obstruction of justice, vote tampering in georgia the trump organization in new york, january 6th. he needs to just go away and let america move forward. griff: you say go away and yet, it would obviously not being going away if merrick garland did indict him based on what you see so far, do you believe that rises to the level of an

indictment of a former president which the country has never done? >> merrick garland is tasked with enforcing the law irrespective of a person's status. one of the things about this country that makes us exceptional we pursue equal justice of the law. whether you're a new arrival or a former president we mete out justice without regard to your profile. merrick garland will do that, that's not political, that's legal. griff: several of your democratic colleague on the part of the student debt that forgiveness plan, several of them do not support this. where do you stand? >> democrats have a big tent. we have a disagreement, and lowering costs to unite, but i would have taken a different approach. you could have expanded pell grants, could have relieved

medical debt throughout the united states. and this would be more fair and more proactive in looking at how we grow the economy and how we make college more affordable going forward. griff: and also, as you heard in our reporting, we are also -- a lot of attention being given to this interview that facebook ceo mark zuckerberg did with joe rogan as facebook has said and parent company meta, that this is nothing new yet at the same time a lot of people raising concerns that what is new is that zuckerberg suppressed the hunter biden story at the behest, essentially of the fbi. i want your thoughts whether it's worth bringing zuckerberg back for hearings. >> the 2016 election were a debacle, and the deeper question, why were the russians so committed in two straight

elections, to get donald trump elected. my question to them would be children's mental health, monetizing kid eight to 18 and how we can protect our kid mental health by abuses from social media. griff: that would be a hearing as a parent of a 20-year-old and 16-year-old, worthy of diving into and hopefully, if we do get zuckerberg back on the hill we can ask him an array of things. jake, i want to take a moment because our viewers may not know that you served in afghanistan. yesterday the one year anniversary of the tragedy at abby gate where we lost 13 u.s. service members. you are a current major in the marine reserves and here we have shots of you in your service, we thank you for your service to this country. i want to get your thoughts a year later and your thoughts on how we are positioned with respect to afghanistan now. >> one year after the

withdrawal, the united states is in a stronger position than it was in 2021. we have freed up resources and bandwidth to focus on russia and china, but afghanistan is struggling. the united states is the largest humanitarian donor in the world to afghanistan and that needs to sustain, but we also need to put afghanistan on the path to self-sufficiency. to enable afghans to lead their own social development. afghanistan is home to world significant loads of copper, iron, lapis lazuli, and russia is eyeing them now. and to support mining in afghanistan as a boot strap for promoting civil development. griff: the last 40 second or so we've got. i want to direct your attention

to the midterms. all the members of congress, senators, out on the campaign trail, touting obviously, on the democratic side the legislative accomplishments and of course, inflation, causing a problem for many members of the house now with gas prices at least starting to come down. all of a sudden, president biden seems to have drawn attention to a dnc meeting comparing trump supporters to, quote, semi-fascists. do you agree with trump supporters, the president saying that trump supporters should be compared to semi-fascists? >> i think we're seeing g.o.p. candidates, like blake masters, making statements that are directly tied to white supremacy and authoritarianism. this is not an election referendum on joe biden. it's a choice between democrats focused on low end prices and the biggest climate change

infrastructure bill and without a republican vote and republican party winding back the clock to 60 years, and women didn't have access to reproductive freedom. griff: and we saw the election in new york and the democrat won on an abortion issue. i appreciate you, so many topics and press you one last time. so you are saying that you're okay with president biden comparing trump supporters to semi-fascists? because it's drawing that comparison back to when hillary clinton talked about the basket of deplorables, which brought so much negative attention on her campaign. >> this is isn't about president biden's word, it's the words that g.o.p. candidates themselves are using. point to you candidates in pennsylvania, arizona, georgia. the word they're using are not words that the world's greatest democracy should be using as we talk to our citizens and to each other. griff: congressman jake auchincloss, a major in the

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>> concerns surrounding the safety of europe's largest nuclear power plant are growing, ukraine accusing russia of shelling it. alex hogan is live on the ground in kyiv with the latest on this tense situation. >> hi, aishah, shelling hitting the town of zaporizhzhya, one day after president zelenskyy says they narrowly missed a nuclear disaster. shelling sparked fires and at the plant disconnected two units from the power grid. each includes a reactor and a cooling system, which then protect the site. and the facility was secured with imagine backup diesel

generators, but the economic atomic energy agency says there are major concerns and expects to make a visit to the site by next week. now, russian missiles hitting the second largest city, one day after two people were killed and shelling demolished a college as well as a city clinic. >> i have no words. everyone was shocked by it. the doctor and the patient. this is a huge loss for the medicine and the patients alike, for the common people. >> as the fighting continues, the belarus president, announcing that the war blames have been updated to carry nuclear weapons and gave a harsh warning to united states and other western countries what it calls forms of provocation. >> they must understand if they ask for escalation no helicopters or planes will save them.

>> russia has based some of its forces in belarus and will reportedly be helping train some of these new pilots, aishah. aishah: alex hogan live for us in kyiv. next hour, secretary of state mike pompeo with more on the ongoing war in ukraine and growing tensions with china. stay tuned for that. . griff: shocking new footage of an elderly man being beaten to death in the streets of seattle by a suspect who had been released just days before, before reportedly threatening to kill a transit security officer. a warning to our viewers, some of this video that christina coleman is about to show us is pretty tough to watch. what happened, christina? >> hi, griff. this is just a shame. an unarmed man with a disability who used a walker to get around was brutally beaten with a metal pole by a serial

criminal who eight days earlier told a judge he intended to kill another guy. accord to go police, his exact words were, quote, i'm going to kill him a million times over and yet, this violent repeat offender, 48-year-old aaron pho folk, was still allowed back on the street. the video shows the unprovoked attacked. the victim, 66 years old, tried to avoid him. the video shows him hit him in the head several times and peterman is on the ground unresponsive and that folk plunged the pole into his head crushing his skull. this attack happened in broad daylight in downtown seattle. folk was arrested at the scene and this attack includes a long rap sheet including assault and aggravate the battery. he was arrested a week earlier threatening to kill a transit

security officer. and the judge told the serial criminal not to have any more crimes and let him out without bail. >> if they're victimizing other people, they've got to have measures in place, got to have accountability. >> and as of now, folk has been charged with first degree murder. his bail is set at 2.5 million. griff: frightening story, christina coleman live for us. aishah. aishah: shocking new numbers out on the loss of life happening at america's southern border. we're going to take you live to eagle pass, texas next. when hurting feet make you want to stop, it's dr. scholl's time. our custom fit orthotics use foot mapping technology to give you personalized support, for all-day pain relief. find your relief in store or online.

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>> let's head to our southern border now where authorities are conducting rescue missions on a daily basis to save

migrants trying to cross the rio grande river and come into the u.s. matt finn is on the ground at eagle pass, texas where homeland security secretary mayorkas met with border control agents. >> secretary mayorkas came here in eagle pass, he did not elaborate on the exact details of the visit, but he has previously told a local newspaper that human smuggling is becoming more sophisticated here and that's something that fox news has been reporting well over a year now. we're standing on the side of the rio grande and a majority of migrants who cross over come here through eagle pass, texas and now, the governor here, greg abbott, has been shipping migrants to new york city and washington d.c. and also the governor of arizona, doug ducey has been sending busloads of migrants to new york city and they say they're relieving the border towns of humps of thousands of illegal migrants

and sending them to sanctuary cities, supposed to be welcoming. the sheriff of one arizona border county, tells fox news that president biden should be stepping in to this problem. >> the sanctuary cities, step up to it, and don't blame governor abbott or ducey, both are doing the right thing for their states. >> let's get president biden in a room and get engaged. >> here on the border in texas we've spoken to migrants from venezuela, nicaragua, and one made a 20-day journey to get to texas. he's a bartender and hopefully going to find work where his sister lives in miami. >> i love my country, but in this moment, it's not possible to live in cuba. not possible in cuba, it's not possible.

>> also in arizona where there's been substantial fentanyl busts in recent days and weeks, border patrol announced two american smugglers were busted with 4.3 million and totalled 187 pounds of fentanyl. we know just a few grams or a speck of fentanyl could be lethal. and border patrol says a four-month-old girl and 18-month-old toddler were left abandoned by human smugglers. fortunately, they were found and revived and kept alive. aishah. aishah: incredible to see the work that these border patrol agents are doing on the ground to save so many lives. matt finn, live for us in texas. thank you, matt. griff: joining us now, sentinel securities ceo and former dhs advisor, charles marino. it's important for us to understand in your dhs advisory role when janet napolitano was

the dhs secretary and you advised on border issues. you just heard matt finn's report and i want to really get to the part about secretary mayorkas going down there this week, to eagle pass on thursday. but yet, he says, still, that's the most unprecedented crisis in our border, that the border is secure. share your insights with us if you can. >> well, you can't do that and the secretary of homeland security is doing not only a disservice to the american public and the people that reside in this country, but also to the cbp. look, let's face it, they're not buying what he's selling, which is why morale is so down within cbp and immigration and customs enforcement. the border states know and recognize and see every single day that this administration has no strategy. no strategy at all. and what it's led to is an out of control situation where the

border continues to leak like a seive. and it actually creates more of a dangerous situation, not only for those that are on the front lines like cbp, but also, for the my dwrants that are m-- migrants that are making the dangerous journey. they're making the journey because word is out on the street, griff, there's no better time to attempt to come to the united states than now. if you make it to our borders, you are to claim asylum and you will be let in where you will linger for years until you actually have an immigration hearing. griff: charles, you talk about the risk these migrants are taking. we can make some news here and my cvp sources telling me late last night the total number of migrant deaths this far, this fiscal year so far is 716. that number right there is nearly double what it's ever

been in the past and certainly a seriously difficult part of this crisis, if not the most difficult, which is that it's costing lives. i watched, sadly, a migrant drown the last time i was covering the border down in the rgv just a month ago. how do they get this under control if they were-- if you were advising secretary mayorkas, what would you say, charles? >> you know, you've got to have structure, you've got to have a coordinated strategy in place that does not undercut the efforts of cvp and ice. right now, everything that the administration has in place undercuts our national security and undercuts the very missions of cvp and ice. that's not supposed to happen when you have national security strategy. and you know, they view words like deterrents, and enforcement, as bad things when actually, when you have those things in place, they will

prevent some migrants were making the dangerous journey and provide a process for people to recognize if they're not going to go through this process and attempt to get here illegally, they're going to be immediately sent back from where they came. you know, having laws and as a deterrent is not a bad they think. griff: charles marino, great insight, you're right. just enforce the law, that will help the crisis at the border. thank you very much. aishah: anticipation is building for nasa's critical rocket launch on monday, it's a major step towards sending astronauts back to the moon. it's all next.

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you are right now and talk about the preparations happening right now ahead of this big launch. >> yeah, you can feel the electricity at kennedy as we get ready for the big launch on monday. everybody is super excited. this is a big deal for us. aishah: sara, why go back to the moon? some folks might be wondering, been there, done that, why go back? >> from a science perspective we learned a lot from apolloment we went to a handful of places all in the same parts of the moon. as we look forward to the artemis program we're going to an entirely different part of the moon and explore the lunar south pole. some of the oldest rocks on the surface of the moon and we think there are water and other volatiles not only telling about the history of the moon, but can serve as resources so we can learn how to live and work in space so that we can eventually move on and explore mars and other places. aishah: i want to have you

explain more about this. the first mission on monday won't have astronauts on board, but preparing as if there were humans on board. talk about why this is going to be a game changer for space exploration beyond the moon? >> that's right, this is had an uncrewed mission. we are going to test out the rocket, we're going to test out the capsule that we will just to get astronauts back to the moon. the only crew on board, mannequins, as we like to call th them, "moon-quinns", we'll get them ready for artemis two, a crew around the moon and artemis three, the boots back on the moon and the first woman on the moon. aishah: i was going to pull up a couple of points here, eventually the first woman and the first astronaut of color on the moon.

how big a deal is that just for-- not just america as a whole, but space exploration, sending people not only back into space on the moon, but sending a woman, sending a person of color. >> yeah, it's about time, right? 50 years overdue if you ask me. i'm very excited to see that and to see that our astronaut corps has become so much for diverse and starts to reflect better what america looks like. aishah: sara, i know you can't, you don't know a ton about the heat shield everyone has been talking about. it's apparently, it's got to withstand 5,000 degrees fahrenheit, which is mind-boggling. i don't know how hot that is. but you've got to get this right. right? if you want to send humans into space you've got to be able to withstand the heat from the sun. what happens, sara, if it doesn't go right? >> so, this is the reason that we test things and that we test things over and over again. this is the first uncrewed launch and that's the point of this launch is to test all of

the systems and make sure that we get it right before we put our astronauts in those seats. aishah: let's talk rocks. i know this is your subject matter that you love. you mentioned that we're going to go to the south pole of the moon. what are you hoping to collect? why is this part different than any other places? we have tons of rocks from the moon. i've seen them. they're very old now. but what are you hoping to gather from the south pole? >> yeah, that's a great question. so, like i said, we went to a few places during apollo, but you know, think about it. the moon has about the same land mass that the earth does, right, and you wouldn't go to half a dozen places in the u.s. and say, well, i've seen the rocks there are on earth, right. so we can't do the same thing on the moon either. we're going to a place that's far away from where we collected rocks during apollo. get some of the oldest rocks from some of the older parts of the lunar surface.

very excited about that and sample the volatiles that we expect to find there, water and other things that we think got caught in cold traps at the south pole and teach us about the history of the moon and really, serve as a-- some new, exciting science that's different than what we did during apollo. aishah: i love it. sara noble, thank you so much. i know we're excited about sending people to the moon and i hope in our lifetime we'll see man on mars. thank you and wish you the best on monday. >> thank you. aishah: griff. griff: multi-count indictments for a ring ever thieves responsible for home invasions of some of the biggest celebrities in america. that's next. heyyy! (steins breaking)

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>> a 220-count indictment naming 26 individuals involved in the atlanta celebrity home invasions. high profile victims include singer mariah carey and real house wives of atlanta mar lo hampton. >> and essentially the georgia prosecutors are using rock

racketeering rico cause, and saying this was a criminal organization, apparently led by this man, 24-year-old jeremy j-rock caldwell and he and two other suspected gang members were arrested in miami and wrapped up in this indictment, armed robbery, home invasion and burglary, targeting property belonging to atlanta falcons' players and reality tv stars and big names in music. and one of most break-ins involving a home belonged to mariah carey saw the gang get away with thousands of dollars in high-end items. >> when they go in they don't care, they're armed and not afraid of using force against residents. that made it imperative to get them into custody. >> police say the gang has been using social media to stalk victims.

on one occasion the gang broke into a home and took a teenage girl and her mother and held them at gun point and threatened to harm this teenager if the mother tonight give them any valuables. police say they've been working on this and that of course led to this july body cam video released by sandy springs police department where they caught four alleged gang members in the act, apparently trying to attempt a break-in at a home of a woman related to rapper future. and they have 10 in custody and looking for four more. >> live for us in atlanta, charles, thank you. aishah: still to come, a year after the loss of u.s. service members in afghanistan. we are going to talk with former secretary of state mike pompeo. that's straight ahead. with 30 grams of protein. those who tried me felt more energy in just two weeks. uhh... here, i'll take that! yay!!! ensure max protein, with 30 grams of protein, 1 gram of sugar

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griff: lucas tomlinson kicking things off for us. lucas. lucas: the federal chairman has to continue to increase interest rates, that sent the markets tumbling the dow losing more than a thousand points yesterday. >> slower growth and softer labor conditions will bring down inflation and bring pain to households and businesses. these are the unfortunate costs of reducing inflation. but a failure to restore price stability would mean far greater pain. lucas: estimates on how they will reduce, $2,000 per taxpayer. the university of pennsylvania says it can cost over $1 trillion as you mentioned. the white house pushed back.

>> this is paid for on deficit reduction that we are on track for this year. lucas: nonpartisan committee disagrees with the white house saying in, quote, it will likely cost more than double the amount saved. democrats said publicly they do not support student debt release plan all running in critical races this fall, many democrats in contested elections don't want them to campaign with them. here is president biden defending paying for student loans. >> i will not cause inflation number, one. number two, it would generate economic growth and freeze people up and grow the economy and still have a way to go but i'm optimistic. lucas: president biden's approval ratings remain under water despite a bump in recent days, griff. griff: lucas tomlinson live for us on the north lawn, thank you. aishah: u.s. embassy in ukraine

urging americans to leave the country as the russians renew efforts in the southeast and ukrainian president zelenskyy warning the situation at nuclear power plant remains very risky. our correspondent alex hogan is tracking developments for us live in kyiv, alex. alex: aishah, new concern after shelling hit the town of zaporizhzhia and the two units disconnected from the power system are back on the grid and this came after it was secured by generators on the site. all of this started after shelling sparked ash fits created fires that damaged transmission lines and knocking off the power plant from the power grid for the very first time. >> any actions by russia that could trigger the shutdown of the reactors will once again put the station one step away from

disaster. that is why it is essential that the iaea mission arrives at the station as soon as possible. alex: the international atomic agency does expect to make an emergency visit to the site by next week. both ukraine and russia blame each other for the shelling that sparked the fire. now over heightened concerns of a catastrophe, tablets were distributed nearby. pills basically helped block absorption of radioactive iodine, the dontsk region and two people died from attack and second largest city of hakiv at least two people died in two days and in t the city of mykolv

one person is dead. we are continuing to see attacks basically on all fronts. aishah: seems like it's never going to end. alex hogan, thank you so much. ♪ ♪ ♪ aishah: hard to believe it's been one year of tragic explosion in kabul that claimed lives of service members. ryan is looking into the details of all of this, hi, ryan. ryan: well, president biden remembered those 13 servicemen killed outside of the kabul airport one year ago issuing a statement friday calling the attack a heinous terrorist attack and saying that the soldiers were heros who would never be forgotten. a little bit of context, let's go back in time, what was going on the attack came amid the frantic evacuation of 124,000

americans and american allies. people from other countries that were working with the u.s. and from afghanistan itself who had partnered up with the u.s. during that 20-year long war. 33,000 of the evacuees flowed through just that one gate, abby gate. the biden administration calling the largest air lift in history. it was also chaotic. that's when the blast came, every soldier's worst nightmare, every family's member worst nightmare, killing 170 afghans, people who were just desperate to get out of afghanistan, fearful for their lives only getting caught up in the explosion. islamic jihad, extremist group in afghanistan that even the taliban is fighting later claimed responsibility for the attack. one year on the taliban is still very much in charge in afghanistan. they, in fact, celebrated their one-year anniversary in power ten days ago. remember the taliban had already

taken control of the capital and been in control for days when that attack came at the gate, when that evacuation was taking place and the situation still very dire in afghanistan. violence persists, hunger is rampant and the taliban still not allowing girls to go to school or university. at the same time, what we have, of course, is no u.s. service members in afghanistan. and that is at least in part in no small measure thanks to the troops that were securing that airport during that evacuation and, of course, the 13 service members that lost their lives in that blast. aishah: all right, ryan, thanks so much, so important to keep our eyes on that country. griff, griff: aishah, for more on this, former u.s. secretary of state and director as well as fox news contributor mike pompeo joins us, mr. secretary, thank you for taking the time. let's jump in right where ryan left off a year ago yesterday,

13 service members kill at abby gate, your thoughts. secretary: griff, first, susan and i mourn the loss of 13 lives and pray for their souls and their family members. it was something that, griff, didn't have to happen. we didn't have to have the chaotic departure that we had from the airport and we saw pictures of people hanging out of airplanes, they are in our memory. this was a political decision that president biden made alone and the military advised them as us in office that exit down to zero under the condition that is existed there where the taliban still at strength presented precisely the risk that ended up in the loss of 13 lives. this isn't about politics, this is about good honest american security. president biden failed to deliver that and for those 13 families, know that their service to america was, indeed, notable. griff: mr. secretary, a little

earlier in the program, last hour, congressman, democrat says he believes that we are in a better position now with respect to security on afghanistan. you disagree, what needs to be done? secretary: well, that's fundamentally not true. we are not in a better position with respect to security. you need only ask the general responsible, general matel and mckenzie spoken about this. we knew this, we knew that our efforts to reduce forces. president trump wanted to get kids back and risk exposure, we did that, we went from 15,000 to a little over 2500 but we could only make that final decision to get everybody out when the conditions were right and they never were and as a result of what president biden did, we are less secure. there's more risk from that place and risk of al-qaeda resurgence is real. we have to continue to be determined to keep america safe. we all member not only those 13 lost lives but the 3,000 lives that were lost in new york and we could never let that happen again. griff: great point,

mr. secretary and you're looking now at the list of those 13 servicemen and women that were killed at abby gate, we showed a graphic earlier. we apologize the wrong one, this obviously is important list as we remember them a year on. let me turn a little bit to current situation in ukraine. you heard reporting from our great reporter alex hogan talking about strikes on the nuclear plant in zaporizhzhia. your reaction, your thoughts on where that stands? secretary: there's a lot of risk when there's artillery flying in nuclear power plant. i hope they can figure out how to find a way to make sure the power plant not only isn't attacked or not destroyed or brought offline again. sounds like it's back online. that's good news but secured in a way that prevent it is loss of life that can fall from radiation leak as a result of fighting around it. as you think of transition from the two topics.

my judgment they are connected. the decision that president biden made that day to allow 13 americans to put in a place where they were ultimately killed is something that vladimir putin saw and his aggression in ukraine certainly was the decision to make what this aggression in ukraine was certainly influenced by his understanding that the risk from president of the united states was lower than it was during the four years that we were serving. griff: you set me up, mr. secretary, for my next question which is clearly we are seeing further aggression on the part of china sending some nuclear equipped bombers near taiwan on the heels of a recent visit by senator marsha blackburn and, of course, the provocations we saw after house speaker nancy pelosi visited. your reaction? are we headed ever closer to war? secretary: well, griff, we have

a big role but doesn't appear that president biden is serious about this. don't forget too that the iranians are now providing weapon systems for the rogue regimes as well and we are about to hand them 550, 700 billion, near a trillion dollars. they watch each other and how america response. if we have determination and execute a plan that we are strong and deliver deterrence on behalf of the american people, the kinds of things we are describing putin's invasion in ukraine, missiles flying in taiwan and iranians attacking on american soil, those things won't happen but takes commander in chief to protect the things that matter most to the american people. griff: let me just turn, mr. secretary, and get you to put your hat as former cia director, the affidavit, most of it is blacked out but there is information here. i want to know do you believe as they say in the affidavit that they believe the closure could

have resulted in grave damage to national security. do you see anything in this affidavit that as former cia director alarms you that could put our national security at risk? >> no, griff. even the former cia director can't read through all the black. the truth is there's still a lot of unanswered questions. every american leader has the responsibility to protect important american secrets, keep our sailors, airmen and marines safe and that's absolute imperative but i have seen nothing yet to prove to me that it made any sense for the fbi to go to a former president's home to raid it in a way that is absolutely historic, the department of justice, the fbi have a lot of explaining to do why that was necessary to try and protect the secrets. i hope they do that. i hope they will show that to the american people. we all certainly deserve it. griff: last question for you, mr. secretary, as you talk about your coming throughout the

failed leadership of the administration and national security as well, do you believe that it's time for a former secretary of state and former cia director to become the president of the united states? >> goodness. only time will tell. i'm spending a lot of time, griff, up in folks all across america, a lot of veterans and people who are serious about protecting america, have good outcomes in november and stay focus on that and before too long we will see who all heads for the 2024 effort. griff: that, ladies and gentlemen, is not a no. former secretary of state mike pompeo. >> yes, sir. aishah: hard not to ask him. you to do it. griff: you have to. aishah: a look at headlines, a monsoon damaging main highway from los angeles to phoenix. check this out. flood waters washed out an entire part of the road there that cut through the southern california desert.

the california department of transportation has reopened to one lane and hopes to reopen the highway by early next week causing a lot of headaches down there. record-setting rainfall in jackson, mississippi forcing residents there to evacuate their homes as national weather service warns jackson's river will likely reach 34 to 35 feet by this weekend. or this weekend actually. we are in the weekend. emergency officials are urging residents of low-lying areas of jackson to evacuate now. heavy rains also but melling the south killing one person in texas causing $6 billion in damages and dallas alone, texas governor greg abbott signing a disaster declaration tuesday for 23 counties affected by the flash flooding there. some extreme weather we are watching. griff: indeed, but coming up our political panel weighing in on the fallout over the release of the redacted affidavit by the

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correspondent david spunt has more from the doj. >> in justifying notes, the sworn confidence there's also probable cause that there's evidence of obstruction will be found at the premises referring to mar-a-lago. trump's team in january has turned over 15 boxes of materials stored there. 14 of them con taping 184 separate classified documents, 67 marked confidential and 92 marked secret, 25 labeled top secret. the affidavit says some of the material appears to be trump's handwritten notes. tthe national archives took possession in january and found newspapers, magazines and personal correspondents mixed in with classified records of most significant concern was the highly classified records unfolderred and improperly identified and the fbi told the federal court the biden administration continued to negotiate privately with trump lawyers for months over the

return of more documents. some of which trump considered personal items. on may 25th letter to trump attorney to justice department outlined the former president's concerns. we request that doj adhere to long-standing policies and procedures regarding communications between doj and the white house regarding pending investigative matter which is are designed to prevent political influence in doj decision-making, president biden has said he had no prior knowledge of the fbi searching on august 8th and ask whether national security would have been compromised with documents stored at mar-a-lago. >> i'm not going to comment, i don't know the detail. i don't even want to know. >> evidence of the subject offenses have been stored in multiple locations at the premises with two words trump repeated his complaint the searching was politically motivated witchhunt, we also learned federal prosecutors want today redact the affidavit in order to protect, quote, a

significant number of civilian witnesses. at the department of justice, david spunt fox news. aishah: okay, for more on this and the political landscape in run-up to midterms, all-important midterms, let's bring in political panel, former communication for the blue dog democrat coalition nor the house and democratic strategist kristin hahn and william, he's also a principal at the vogul group. thank you both for joining us today. got a lot to get to. let's get right to it with doj raid and affidavit. bill, i'm going to start with you because you were at the trump white house and you are a washington attorney, so do you think that the fbi provided reasonable probable cause, do you think that they provided probable cause for this unprecedented search. >> look, i think in the unredacted portions they may

have satisfied probable cause standard which is a pretty low standard and just because you are able to do it, should you do it and the optics and because of historic and unprecedented nature, armed agents they sent to raid former president's home. one of the things to be asking, did they exhaust all of the other procedures that they had at their disposal to try and get these documents or work out some sort of accommodation with trump attorneys. the unredacted portions of the affidavit say they were in constant communication and, in fact, that the trump team had turned over some documents. so why the urgency. why did that have to happen this month in close proximity to midterm elections is some of the questions that they will have to ask when republicans take control of the house of representatives in january. aishah: kristin, i would take that question, why the urgency, do you feel t that you gained a sense from the unredacted documents? >> i think, you know, the

justice department, the fbi, you know, i have faith in our law enforcement agencies and they don't really look and consider elections and the timing of elections when they do these types of things. if you look at when they released the information about secretary clinton's emails. i mean, that was far closer to the election than this. so, you know, i think the bigger question is, why does the president have confidential and top-secret documents at mar-a-lago. i mean, it's troubling to me and i think that the -- the justice and law enforcement agencies don't think about politics when they -- when they take actions like they did. aishah: well, we talk politics, let's get into the politics of this. kristin, if this is what some call dispute over documents f this is what it turns out to be, no i indictment, no charges and the former president gets to walk away from this, don't you think this is going to backfire on democrats because this is actually helping the former

president quite a bit politically right now? >> you know, it's interesting. we will see on election day how much the -- the former president plays into the midterms. i've been looking very closely, center ford, bipartisan organization, did a bipartisan poll with the strategy group and public opinion strategies and they looked at what is going to drive people to the polls, not what you care about, but what is going to drive people to the polls in the midterms and not surprisingly probably it's pocketbook issues, it's inflation, it's the economy and it's jobs and on the democratic side a women's right to choose is certainly driving people to the polls. i don't think this is going to have an outsized impact one way or another because it's really those things that hit home for voters that is whether they go to the polls. aishah: bill, i would actually say that the current president

can't stop talking about the former president just in a campaign speech ahead of the midterms here this week he said this. it's not just trump, it's the entire philosophy that underpins the -- i'm going to say it, it's like semifascism, okay, that's pretty -- that's a big deal for the president to say, so bill, i would ask you, is the president calling all his supporters some 70 million americans out there semifascist? >> it's a pretty sweeping and outrageous statement for the president of the united states to make. half of the country supported former president trump in the 2020 election and to label them as semifascist i think is really not helpful to the national discourse and doesn't really further your campaign promise to be uniter in chief. i will say that post labor day, this presidency, this administration has been suffering from historic wrong-track numbers for over a

year. the wrong-track numbers are over 70% and as american families begin to return to school routine and normal work routine after august vacations, i think the gravitational poll is against democrats and towards republicans to try and right some of the policies that have driven up inflation and have allowed rise in crime and have really forced parents to really be concerned about the education of their children. these are the pocketbook and kitchen-table issues that i think kristin was referring to in her poll. and i think that's where american mothers and fathers are going to be looking and small business owners and those are the people who will decide this election. aishah: kristin, quickly, i want to get your response of the president's comments about the semifascist before we move on to the next topic. why does he keep talking about the former president? >> i think we need to move on from the former president. you know, that's not what people are voting on anymore. i mean, i think if you take a look at the special elections right now, if you really dig into the numbers and see how people are voting, they're

outperforming democrats in some cases outperforming the political leanings of the district which is really important to look at and are doing well particularly where it pertains to their feelings about women's healthcare. we can move on from the former president. aishah: people are talking about inflation and rising prices and now talking about the student loans, a lot of folks are upset and they feel like it's unfair, the administration is wiping out student loans at least $10,000 for some. not every democrat, though, has been on board with this move. here is representative jake just in the last hour. >> i would have taken a different approach here. i think with similar amounts of money you have expanded pell grant and relieved medical debt for households throughout the united states. this would be more fair and more proactive in looking how we grow the economy and how we make

claiming more affordable. aishah: tim ryan, democratic nominee in ohio says that this is sending the wrong message. kristin, i would come to you with this and ask you how does this help those vulnerable democrats out there that have sort of staying silent and staying away from this, doesn't this put them in a tough spot in a really tough reelection? >> i mean, i think that the senator cortez masto is right. we need to -- both parties have failed at getting at the root problem, the underlying issue with how expensive college is, right, so this is what we need to address. this has turned into a bipartisan back and forth and bickering. i'm not sure what a difficult position it puts democrats in. the senator clearly spoke her mind and, you know, said what she feels that we need to get at the underlying root of how

expensive it is to get a four-year education in this country. so i think that, again, you know, it does speak to the financial stresses that are on many americans. we were looking at their student loan debt but we need to address the actual problem here. aishah: okay, kristin, bill, thanks for joining us. please come back soon. we appreciate it. >> thanks for having us. griff: aishah, we will talk with former fbi special about mark zuckerberg admitting he helped suppress the hunter biden story after talking with the fbi next. ♪ ♪ ♪ about two years ago i realized that jade was overweight. i wish i would have introduced the fresh food a lot sooner. after farmer's dog she's a much healthier weight.

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griff: facebook ceo mark zuckerberg that facebook suppressed story of hunter biden following warning from fbi. alexis mcadams live in new york city with the latest, hey a lexis. alex: we are talking about hunter biden's laptop again, he

and his team took the warning from the fbi seriously, listen. >> the fbi i think basically came to us, some folks on our team, hey, just so you know, like you should be on high alert, we thought that there was a lot of russian propaganda in the 2016 election, we have it on notice that basically there's about to be some kind of dump of -- that similar to that so just be vigilant. alex: that clip from zuckerberg has been all over the internet. everyone is trying to listen and what else he might know about this. zuckerberg told listeners that facebook kept story but fact-checkers tasked with verifying the claims of hunter biden's laptop. less people saw the story about the laptop. zuckerberg tells rogan says he doesn't remember if fbi mentioned the new york post article which is important to point out but did fit with the pattern of what the fbi was describing in the meeting.

zuckerberg says he does not want to be the person -- doesn't want to be the person to be, quote, ministry of truth. >> if something is reported to us as potentially misinformation, important misinformation, we also -- third-fact checking program because we don't want to be deciding what is true and false. alex: sent the statement of rogan interview, as we said nothing about the hunter biden laptop is new that mark zuckerberg testified before the senate two years ago and hearing it, griff, in this interview has been circulated and people are talking about it, people have a lot more questions about this. we did reach out to the fbi for comment and we haven't heard back yet. griff: everybody is, indeed, talking about it. aishah: for more on this, special agent john, john, thanks for joining us. we can't get the fbi to comment so we will dig in with you on this story. look, zuckerberg is basically

giving us more context about what happened. he's saying, we did this because this laptop story fit the description that the fbi gave us about what might be election interference from foreign adversaries and this is what they were warning us about. the fbi is saying, we didn't tell you to do anything, we can't tell you to do anything, how do you see this. >> well, first of off, aishah, i would look at zuckerberg. i would want to get him in an interview room and get details. we all know that social media would never lie to us but maybe facebook had an agenda and they are blaming the fbi because i will tell you, there's procedures for this. if you're going to do a notification about something that may be russian disinformation, there's going to be a process, it's going to be reviewed. it's going to be put in writing on an official written memorandum and it's going to be passed not just facebook but all media. did anybody from the 3 major

networks or cable television news get this notification? probably not. i imagine zuckerberg or somebody had a conversation with an agent and might have been mentioned in passing and now they are using that excuse for whatever agenda they is had during the election. aishah: john, do you think there is a memo out there that we need to try to find? >> if there was a memo out there, it would have been leaked. there probably wasn't. i'm sure this was nothing more than a casual conversation that we are looking into this but there's no reason the fbi would go to just facebook in an official capacity and ignore all the other media out there. it sounds like facebook is using it as an excuse. you know, maybe they need to come up with another emoji like a red thumbs up or thumbs down for russian disinformation that people can click on. aishah: but, john, twitter's ceo jack dorsey also said later that they did a similar thing.

they were blocking the retweeting of this article and they said that they shouldn't have done that. i don't think it was facebook alone. i guess my question to you is what does the fbi think is going to happen, though, when they issue warnings like this to companies, to businesses, any business if i had a business and the fbi came to me and told me about, hey, there might be, you know, a drop of documents that might resemble this, how -- what does the fbi expect a business like facebook to respond, how to respond? >> well, this is why they have to be so careful and like i said, there's got to be a memorandum to distribute to everybody because essentially number 1 if it's not vetted and you're wrong, you're interfering with elections and that's something the fbi simply just cannot do. i think whatever happened here that a bit of information was taken and social media ran with it having their own agendas. it's not to say that whoever from the fbi said something that

that was an appropriate. i want to know who gave them what information, when was it given and what exactly was said. right now we are taking zuckerberg's word for it without facts to back it up. aishah: i think we all want to know those things. john iannerelli, thank you for joining us. griff: payoff plan is getting mixed reviewsment we will hear mixed reviewsment we will hear from people on both sides of the issue next. e ne♪ ♪uh ♪ h... here, i'll take that! yay!!! ensure max protein, with 30 grams of protein, 1 gram of sugar enter powered by protein challenge for a chance to win big! ubrelvy helps u fight migraine attacks.

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>> take out a loan, you go to school and pay it off just like everybody did. >> i don't think it's enough. i think it needs to be more than that. >> you make a decision to take out student loans and you know the possible ramifications of that if f you can't pay them and i feel that you should be responsible for your reactions. griff: americans weigh in on

president biden to forgive student loan debt. senior vice president policy director for the committee for responsible mark goldwine. thank you for being here. some say it's unfair. some say that it should have been more than $10,000 or 20,000 on the pell grant. i want to play for you what president biden said when he was asked about the fairness part of it. listen. >> is this unfair to people what paid their student loans or chose not to take out loans? >> is it fair to people who do not own -- is that fair? what do you think? griff: well, what do you think, alan, i will start with you. >> i think the entire lending system is one huge unconstitutional unfair big government, nationally

threatening beast. this lending system has got to go. it's over the cliff. even before the pandemic, 85% of all borrowers were never going to be able to repay their loans. look at states like texas, $141 billion, how are we going to strip $141 billion out of the people of texas. i think that would turn the state something like mexico. it's not going to happen. the lending system has been stripped of bankruptcy protections of statutes of limitations and the federal government has been given a license to steal. griff: let's broaden this, mark, beyond just the state of texas. crfp, you putting out estimates that this is perhaps half a trillion dollars, what can you tell me about the real costs and what everyone wants to know is how is this going to be paid for. >> we estimate this is going to cost about half a trillion dollars, budget model said it can be upwards of 1 trillion, i think our number is closer.

that's tremendous cost. it's going to be paid by everybody through higher inflation. the inflation rate may go up extra quarter point which 12% of americans are getting a benefit, 88% are paying more at the grocery store. griff: so when we hear from the white house to follow up on that, mark, we hear from the white house that it's going to be paid for through deficit reduction savings they've already made, are you buying that? >> no, this is like ponzi scheme map, because we are not going to start payments as scheduled, that's savings for something else. they are giving away all of their deficit reduction several times over. griff: and alan, are you worried who is going the pay for this and how this is even paid for in. >> yeah, no offense, what mark said is nonsense.

it's interest penalties and fees way more than the original principal. so we are talking about canceling bad uncollectible debt not one dime will be taken from the treasury. not one penny will be added to the national debt and not one dollar injected into the consumer economy to cause inflation. that's nonsense. griff: marc, you want to respond? >> everything that you just said is false, cbo to the office of management and budget to the department of education acknowledge that this has a cost. it'll be recorded in year one. it'll be immediate lost to government wealth and over time it'll be lower cash flow. prior to the pandemic, we were, in fact, collecting $85 billion a year of student debt. not all the debt was good but these numbers, the 500 billion-dollar numbers they account. griff: we didn't work the fact that progressives are upset that it's not enough and, of course, the possibility of possible legal challenges that could come alan and marc, thank you for

being here. we will try to bring you back as this story is not going to wane in and a lot of people talking about it this saturday. >> thank you. aishah: we talked about nasa's plan trip around the moon next week and what about possible alien visitor who is came to explore planet earth, maybe, we will look at possible evidence coming up next. ♪ ♪ ♪ technically when enamel is gone, you cannot get it back. but there are ways you can repair it. i'm excited about pronamel repair because it penetrates deep into the tooth

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aishah: lawmakers on capitol hill appear to have new concerns of ufo's, unidentified air phenomena, proposed office with mission to find out what might be out there. >> unidentified flying objects have stumped military pilots for decades defying physics. for the first time congress identifies that uap's may exist and compel the military what we don't understand. >> there are unexplained events out there and if you can't explain it as good intelligence person, you should analyze it. >> buried in the authorization bill provision unexplained quote threats to national security are expanding exponentially

translated think uap's pose a danger the dill establishes what is made by humans and what could come from elsewhere. >> when we spot something that we don't understand and can't identify on air space it's the job of those we entrust with national security to investigate and to report back. >> congress held the first hearing on uap's more than half a century this past spring but that left more questions than answers. >> congress is responding to classified data because the unclassified data that we had all seen includes images that are not convincing and i won't expect such a bill to be authorized unless there was much more convincing evidence. >> there's concern the military may be hiding something. >> i've always felt that it was the military attempt to go some extent disguise advanced programs that they were working on and some things that do need to be explained. >> the military has never acknowledged it could be u.s.

technology and lawmakers worry that if the technology isn't from the u.s. it could be the russians or the chinese and that could pose even a bigger threat. on capitol hill chad pigram, fox news. >> great package, chad, and so many questions unanswered. it comes down, aishah, whether you believe if ufo's exist. aishah: i do. i personally had an experience. i was not abducted. my mom and i, this is back in the day when i lived in bedford, indiana. aishah: this is breaking news. i lived out of middle of nowhere, that's where they come. i was doing my homework which was unlike me in high school and i saw big flash of light and i grabbed my mom and we were looking outside and light close to our house and we were calling for my dad and brother and sister to come see it and my mom is to scared, she turns off all

the lights and before they came, literally, this ball of light just goes wheew and nobody else in the family believes us so my mom and i remember that day and it was frightening. i was scared from then onto go to bed at night. griff: what did it look like? >> it was just a glow of light and in talking to other people at school, we live next to a naval base, naval base in indiana, maybe they were testing out technology, maybe it was a drone. could be. griff: you believe it was a ufo? aishah: i feel that emotion that i did that night. griff: you believe that is some breaking news. that's all for us this hour. fox news live continues with eric and arthel. i'm griff jenkins. aishah: and i'm aishah hosnie, thank you for watching. unlimite.

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arthel: 95 more migrants arriving in new york city by bus from the texas border this morning putting more strain on the city's shelters. texas above greg abbott has sent more than 1500 migrants to new york in his growing feud with sanctuary cities. hello, everyone, welcome to "fox news live," i'm arthel neville. eric: thank you for joining us, i'm eric shawn. down at the border migrants continue to pour into our country in large groups, many sadly suffering from dehydration and, we're told, severe illnesses becaushe