>> all throughout covid, like paul pelosi, rent a car or call uber. >> and if anyone needs help with their dancing, call me. >> thanks to everyone, here is "america reports." >> john: i need your number, todd, if i'm going to call. fox news alert, department of justice telling a federal judge in florida it has already completed its review of documents seized from former president trump's mar-a-lago home. >> sandra: the judge signalled support to appoint a neutral party, a special master. is it too late for a third party review? andy and jonathan are here, we'll get their take moments away. >> john: fox news alert to kick off "america reports" as we dance our way into the last week of the official summer season. $1 trillion, what biden's

student loan could cost over ten years. the white house is struggling to answer who is exactly paying the tab for the millions of college students off the hook. >> john: you don't have todd's number on speed dial, john? i'll pass it off to you. sandra smith in new york. biden administration sticking to their line of defense that the plan is fully paid for, even comparing the handouts to covid loans, even though the pandemic assistance was intended to be foregiven. >> john: biden facing backlash with a growing number of democrats distancing themselves from the controversial hands outs. >> i think a targeted an i approach right now, people making 30, $40,000, didn't go to college, they need help as well. >> it does not help people who have already paid off their

college debt. >> a band aid step, a point in time step. not yet contending with the root issue, which is the affordability crisis of higher education in our country. >> sandra: or bipartisan political panel is on set and ready to dig in. sean duffy, and david are here. >> john: cost estimates from penn wharton, it could top $1 trillion, president biden said he will pay for it, and could double savings from deficit reduction attempts. how concerned are you about what looks like another huge government handout? >> i'm not, first of all, some

said 300 billion over ten years and important to put it in context, that's 30 billion a year, and we have had 1.7 trillion already of deficit reduction. here is the point. my district, i represent silicon valley. we have $10 trillion of wealth. the people who are going to be helped are often working class folks who took out loans in places like ohio and pennsylvania, you want to raise more money, tax the coastal elites in my district so kids in pennsylvania, kids in ohio can go to college and get an education. i don't understand why this is seen elite policy. >> john: we are talking about low income people as you just said, but the caps on this are $125,000 income per individual, $250,000 per couple, for family. and for somebody who is a welder in the midwest or taxi driver struggling to make ends meet who never went to college, that's a lot of money. why should those folks be on the hook for that tab? >> well, first of all, john, as

you know, 27% of folks taking out the loans are the kids of welders, the kids of working families, first in their generation to go to college. a lot of working families are benefitting. second, the loans will extend to vocational education and training and if we want to do more things for the working class, let's do it, cancel medical debt for the working class, fund more apprenticeships for the working class, talk about what more we can do for the working class. but to say somehow helping the working class and middle class go to college in this country and get education is wrong, and there is plenty of wealth in my district that we can tax some of those billionaires to let kids have a chance to get education. >> a lot of wealth in your district, california 17 clearly but a lot of districts are not as wealthy as that across the country who are going to be on the hook as well. let me put this on the screen, a growing list of democrats who do not support the president's loan

forgiveness program and heard at the beginning, some of your colleagues have significant concerns it's not the right program or not the right time. what do you say to them? >> i disagree with them. what built america into a superpower, invested in education, college was basically free at another time. no other nation in the world makes people go into 30, $40,000 in debt to education. i want to support the working class and we can do both and the reason i know we can do both, we are making more wealth than ever before and a lot is in my district and i want to invest in the working class and middle class in this country. >> over the weekend the white house took aim at republicans who own small businesses and had ppp loans that were forgiven, and the white house criticizing

them to say well, you had loans forgiven but don't want the student loans forgiven. we should remind our viewers at home the ppp loans were, a, approved by an act of congress, not by the white house, and b, designed to be forgiven under the following conditions, employee and compensation levels were maintained, loan proceeds spent on payroll cost and other eligible expenses and 60% of the proceeds are spent on payroll cost. so, the way this program was designed and the way it was approved is a little hollow for the white house to call out republicans who got the ppp loan forgiveness but opposed the student loan relief. >> john, i don't go after colleagues. china is our competition. they are producing millions of engineers and scientists, they are having people go get as much education. i want america to win. i want us to do what built us into an economic superpower and that means making sure people can go to college if they want

without going 30, $40,000 in debt and i want investment in manufacturing so we can get working class folks and give them a tax credit, $10,000 to get a skilled trade, make sure vocational education is covered. this should be about what is going to build america, not tit for tat politics who is paying off what loan, i don't think we should personalize it. >> jonathan: thanks for your time, and for kicking us off today. >> thank you. >> sandra: great stuff for the political panel, sean duffy, and david carlucci. >> i agree, we have a problem in education, it costs too much money. over the course of the last 40 years, universities and colleges charge 180% more than in 1980. when you take inflation out. so, the problem you have here is you have three people, the government, the student, and you have the university.

it's the students and the government, the taxpayers that are footing the bill for school and universities keep track of the price. this does not do anything to reduce the cost of education. i think if you put universities on the hook for students who could not pay, you would see prices drop like a rock. you have 3-1 administrators to teachers. bureaucracy of universities have gotten so big -- pair that back, make school cheaper and more affordable, that's the answer, not a handout. >> sandra: and some making the case like bill bennet saying it will only drive the tuition costs even higher if you bail the folks out and now vulnerable democrats speaking out, and a former clinton adviser asking what are we doing here. >> i'm a progressive, i want to help folks. but i think this is terrible policy. what is my party doing with this? they are disadvantaging, i think they are not helping the people we are here to help, which is

poor people. >> sandra: what's in it for somebody who did work 2, 3 jobs to pay off their student loans or child's student loans and did not take one out and did not go to college because they could not afford it. >> i can appreciate the frustration people have and say it's not a perfect plan but it is a step in the right direction and we have to remember over 60% of people with student debt have taken out a pell grant, and they are going to receive over $20,000 in eliminating that debt, and over 20 million people will have their debt eliminated all together. so yes, not the complete silver bullet to end the student debt situation we are in, but a step in the right direction and i believe republicans are really upset because hey, joe biden is following through on a campaign promise he spoke about. it's not something new, it's not some idea that floated out of the sky, this is something that joe biden talked about on the campaign trail and now he's delivering and i think success after success is really showing

that hey, he's getting stuff done and republicans are getting more and more nervous. >> the problem is, you have to start funding in congress. this bill needed to be passed through congress, the house, senate, joe biden would sign. he can't do it unilaterally. >> sandra: nancy pelosi has made that point. >> it's going to make college more expensive. a bill that came out and said give $7,500 tax credits for new e.v. purchasers, the very same day, ford and g.m. raised the cost of their electric vehicles by 6 to $8,000. so you are paying the same amount as a consumer, it's just that you have the manufacturers raising the price of the vehicle. same thing will happen in college. college will get more expensive. people will have the same amount of loans and the american taxpayers -- >> sandra: a lot of people are saying that. >> a rate higher than inflation and going on for decades. what do we do? we have to deal with the part that has a burden on so many americans and that's what

president biden is -- >> sandra: the former clinton adviser is saying the lower income americans on the hook for the bill that nobody even knows the true cost of because they did not calculate it before they put it out there. biden going after republicans, listen. final thought on this. >> i respect conservative republicans. i don't respect the maga republicans. the maga republicans don't just threaten our personal rights and economic security, they are a threat to our very democracy. >> sandra: getting a lot of attention. quick thought. >> i think president biden is isolating the two. saying look, i have respect for conservative republicans but the maga philosophy is catering to the worst of america. it's allowing -- >> sandra: one of his campaign promises to unite the country? >> he's calling a spade a spade. >> maga, put america first, the philosophy behind that and joe biden is old, senile, liberal

and angry and that's the rhetoric you get, 70 plus million voters voted for -- >> i'm not saying every republican but this maga philosophy, we have to focus on and recognize that you are getting a base, a foundation to this ultra right, to this white supremacy, fascism to push back. >> lower taxes, less regulation, secure borders, don't want crime on the street. >> sandra: tim ryan, ohio democrat, making the case that sean is making and saying rather than student loan forgiveness, let's lower taxes for those hard working americans. we'll have more on that coming up with james freeman from the "wall street journal." thank you to you both. a spirited debate. james freeman will be coming up, john, and this debate will surely continue.

he'll weigh in on that and more. >> john: looking forward to that coming up. meantime, a federal judge intends to appoint a special master to review the documents seized from former trump's mar-a-lago home. court hearing for thursday, the judge will hear arguments for both sides before making an official decision. however, department of justice said a little while ago that their filter team has already reviewed and categorized all of the documents. david spunt is at the justice department. federal prosecutors believe a special master is not needed and at any rate, their work is pretty much done. >> that's exactly correct. moot point, covering to federal officials. the filing uploaded to the docket, says doj for the past three weeks and it has been three weeks today, since federal officials, fbi agents went into the home of former president trump at mar-a-lago, florida, they say we have done this, we have gone through the information and gone through the

evidence and found looking through the evidence a small apt of material "identified a limited set of materials that potentially contains attorney/client privilege," that's interesting, why the trump team wants a special master, a third party arbitor. the trump legal team is pushing for this arbitor because they believe that it's a neutral third party person that will come in and look at how doj has handled this evidence to see if some needs to be returned. typically, john, special masters are retired judges or attorneys who have no direct connection to the case. judge eileen canon says she is maybe going to appoint 1, and 3 full weeks to look at the evidence, some say time is not on the side of team trump but the trump team is arguing a

special master is needed. judge canon will hear arguments thursday afternoon in west palm beach. and late friday into the weekend, the director of national intelligence briefing members of congress, prebriefing members of congress to say her agency is looking at the classification levels of hundreds of classified documents taken from mar-a-lago and we know the director of national intelligence will at some point brief members of congress and provide an assessment about those documents, john. >> john: and the white house is responding to obvious questions about all of this coming up in the next hour, the white house briefing. david, thank you. sandra. >> sandra: the white house getting closer to a nuclear deal with iran, despite heavy opposition with republicans and many more. now reports they are even ignoring our nation's top meet ally and desperate attempts to talk to president biden before he can close the deal. what message are we sending to our friends abroad who have to deal with this iran threat each

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island, all coming as russia plans to hold military drills with china later this week. let's bring in republican tennessee senator marsha blackburn, she visited taiwan and met with their president. welcome to you, senator. what spurred the surprise visit on your part? >> oh, sandra, i had been working on a trip to taiwan for some months, and had delayed it earlier in the year, and this worked out to be the good time to go, it was not my first visit to taiwan, and i think that as we oppose the aggression of the chinese communist party it is very important for us to be in taiwan, it's important for us to visit those pacific island nations and indeed on the bipartisan basis, some of us have met with the ambassadors of those nations and have worked on issues how we support them and how we help them so they are

able to defend themselves against the chinese communist party. >> sandra: really interesting, senator. you on their soil called taiwan an independent nation. this obviously counters decades of what we have seen in this country as delicate political terminology. do you fear this could further upset china and cause further retaliation on their part against us? >> oh, you know, sandra, quite the opposite. i think the more we recognize taiwan's independence and the fact that they share our values of democracy and freedom, it makes it harder for china to go in and try to say we are going to overtake taiwan. the taiwanese people consider themselves to be independent. they have a founder of country, a constitution, a president, a military, they have trade deals, and they are indeed

china's largest trading partner. so i do believe that it is important that we support taiwan as they seek to be independent of china and as they seek to have more partners around the globe. >> sandra: i'm just curious your strategy for balancing further retaliation for china. you have the chinese foreign ministry responding to this, with this statement, china urges the u.s. to stop hollowing out the one china principle and don't be a troublemaker for peace and stability across the taiwan strait. how do you respond, senator? >> the united states of america should never allow the chinese communist party to set our foreign policy. we ought not to do that, and just as we should not allow any

of the axis of evil, china, russia, iran, north korea, to make those decisions or to try to negotiate in our stead as russia is doing with the u.s. over the iran nuclear agreement, and sandra, i think that that is just a dangerous step for us and we strengthen taiwan when we recognize their resolve and their commitment to freedom. >> sandra: can i get a final thought from you on that on the moving forward with this white house with the new iran nuclear deal, a lot of republicans are speaking out against this, apparently some of our biggest friends, those that have to deal with the iran threat say the president is not taking phone calls before agreeing to this deal. where do you stand on this? >> what we need to know is that the president should be talking to israel. we all know that if iran were to

create a nuclear warhead, what are they going to do? they are going to try to destroy israel. and we should be listening to them, we should be sharing their concerns. the axis of evil does not wish us well. and china wants to go in, dominate globally by 2050. let's recognize this. let's realize these people are adversaries. our allies need to know that they are our ally and friend. our adversaries need to fear us and that should be our posture. >> sandra: senator, appreciate your time, thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you. >> john: sandra, parents outraged in one major american city as schools say kids have to return to class in masks even as the nation moves beyond the rules and regulations that harmed so many during the height of the pandemic. so, what are educators in philadelphia thinking? that is coming up next. >> sandra: plus we are

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>> sandra: tomorrow will mark one year since the u.s. pulled all forces out of afghanistan and now concerns we may have to return to control the chaos that has taken over the country. meantime, memories of the rushed u.s. exit are fresh in the minds of many americans, not just the troops but allies that needed help getting out. green beret scott and his

comrades helped hundreds of our afghan allies left behind escape. jennifer griffin sat down with the former commander of u.s. forces in the middle east, retired general, frank mckenzie, on "fox news sunday," she joins us live at the pentagon. >> fascinating interview yesterday with general frank mckenzie who was you mentioned was the head of u.s. central command and oversaw the withdrawal from afghanistan. he made some important points about what led to the chaotic withdrawal, and he had plenty of criticism for decisions made by the last two administrations. he said both president trump and president biden wanted to pull all u.s. troops and did not hold them accountable for breaking the doha agreement. >> i believe we had two presidents of the united states that wanted to exit afghanistan and they might not have had anything else in common but they shared that common view.

so you had a continuity of objective across two administration's, allowed the events to occur in the manner that they did. >> general mckenzie and senior leaders at the pentagon recommended keeping at least 2500 u.s. troops in afghanistan. that would have allowed them to keep bagram air base. >> i advised against withdrawing. my recommendation and my opinion, and it remains so today was we had the opportunity to remain in the country with a small force. we believe kabul would fall if we pulled out the troops, it was just a question of when kabul would fall, and saying that since the fall of the year before. >> general mckenzie sent an intel assessment on august 9th suggesting the government of kabul would fall within 30 days. >> do you think troops will have to be sent back to afghanistan? >> i know this. it is in the best long-term interest of the united states to not allow these centers of

violent extremism to grow and expand in afghanistan. threat is growing in afghanistan and it's merely a matter of time. >> the full interview with general mckenzie can be found on fox.com. >> sandra: really important interview so many of us watched and available at foxnews.com for anybody who wants to watch in its entirety. jennifer, thank you very much. john. >> john: amazing insight. our next guest was part of a group of retired green berets who helped 500 afghan allies escape during the r exit. lieutenant colonel scott mann, "operation pineapple express," author of the book. what did you think when the general recommended pulling out of afghanistan, he wanted to leave troops behind and yet the biden administration ignored the recommendations and went ahead and did it. >> yeah, i think i agree with pretty much everything the general said and in my interviews for the book, the conversations i had led me to understand quite a few, several

senior leaders said the same thing, you know, they said the same thing that to not leave a residual force would be a nightmare. i think also interviewing the special ops community, 73% of our veterans feel severely betrayed over the exit and many are upset the generals and the admirals did not speak up more this time last year. >> and you have been seeking accountability, or the very least, saying there needs to be accountability, but the biden administration just wants to move on from this. >> absolutely. and the problem with that one is it's a major, major national security risk. i mean, the fact of the matter is that al-qaeda is reconstituting in afghanistan with an unfetterred safe haven. i think most of the countries around the world would be very reluctant to work with us at a partner capacity and the impact on our veteran population from the moral injury is devastating. 67% of veterans feel humiliated

by this, and the impacts on mental health for those veterans who have stepped into the breach and answered the phone when the government didn't i think we are just beginning to see this. >> john: the number of casualties that the u.s. occurred in afghanistan was a terrible reminder of the problems that we have there and the threat that continues to loom, and marked by the death of 11 marines, one navy corpsman and a soldier in the final days before the exit. the marines in marking that said on their website "they were sent there because they are united states marines ready to respond to crisis at a moments notice." the hardest mission with stoisim, and the pullout was an unmitigated disaster. >> yeah, those marines, the paratroopers, the air force folks, all of the service

members and from nato were flying into the chaos and did yoeman's work, it was epic. they were thrown into an unatenable situation that could have been avoided had the senior leaders stepped up and avoided the careerist decisions and done the right thing by the afghan partners and our veteran population and frankly for our national security and that did not happen. what i would really love to see now is what are we going to do about it going forward, how are we going to provide a pathway for the at risk african commandos and the u.s. citizens behind enemy lines. >> john: "operation pineapple express," a book with a special forces operator trapped behind the lines as kabul began to fall, and you got that person out and the mission extended to at least 500 more people and continues to this day.

how many more people are still trapped in afghanistan and how difficult the task to get them out? >> well, no, i appreciate it. and really, the operation pineapple express was one of many volunteer groups, ours was an underground railroad, an open sewage canal, a four foot hole in the fence and connection between active duty paratroopers and veteran volunteers. and we were able to move several hundred out. but unfortunately the bulk of the at risk people were not able t get out and i believe it's tens of thousands of afghan special operators, of special immigration visa participants we made a promise to help and you know, i don't see any way forward on this to get all of those people out of there, but we have to address the most at risk and if we don't do this, this thing follows us home as al-qaeda continues to reconstitute. >> one quick last question for you, a year after, this has been all but forgotten, except for coverage of the anniversary,

it's not a topic going in the midterm elections. why do you believe it's important to keep this front of mind? >> because our veterans are showing us why. one, it affects our national security but all about how you treat your friends. at the heart of this is relationships and the special ops community we have a promise i have your back and leave no partner behind, and we have a systemic problem going back to vietnam, and our kids are going to be over in afghanistan facing ticked off commandos who we abandoned and cannot afford that as a nation and we need the citizens of this country, hopefully read pineapple, see the stories, and connect today what our afghan partners did and demand our government leaders step up and do the right thing. >> john: scott mann, pleasure to talk to you, congratulations on the book. and sandra, we have more on all of this on fox and fox nation. >> sandra: the escape from afghanistan will be streaming on

fox nation, it is now, so for anybody who wants to go on that journey one year ago, how rough those days were, we all remember. and so many of those veterans reliving one year later. >> john: important to keep it front of mind, attention tends to wander quickly. >> sandra: and the parents of a fallen soldier joining us next hour. and crime crisis, a washington commanders running back shot multiple times in our nation's capital. an update on his condition and the search for suspects. >> john: scary stuff. a federal judge intends to appoint a special master to review the documents seized in the raid on mar-a-lago. some experts say it's already too late in the process for that. we have our own expert, former assistant u.s. attorney andy mccarthy for more on this. stay tuned. >> you don't show up with sirens and lights and long arms and 30 agents and go in for nine hours

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>> john: former president donald trump could find out this week whether a judge will appoint a neutral party, a third party known as a special master. the same time fox news learning the director of national intelligence will look over the seized items to assess security threats before briefing members of congress. let's bring in fox news contributor and former u.s. attorney andy mccarthy. so the judge indicating on thursday she's going to make a ruling but the department of justice coming out today, andy, saying oh, by the way, we reviewed the documents, yes, we found some attorney/client privilege materials, so no need for the special master. does it render the process moot? >> john, we have pointed out before they should have moved

for this, i would say, they, you know, the search took nine hours, they should have been in court screaming for this while the search was going on, but no later than the next day. by waiting two weeks, obviously, they have hurt their litigating position, and the other thing you notice in reading this warrant, the affidavit, is how narrow the government is acknowledging that trump could have privilege. remember, president trump has said, former president trump has said any number of times, executive privilege and attorney/client privilege. they are not acknowledging he has executive privilege, either saying as a matter of law he doesn't have it or that biden waived it or it's not effective in investigative agencies but one way or another they have narrowed it down to attorney/client privilege. if they are right about that, that would obviously allow them

to hash through this a little bit quicker. >> sandra: the "wall street journal" editorial board said when hillary clinton had information on her private email service she was let off. and is there a double standard here? what do you answer? >> i think the final chapter has not been written on that yet, sandra, right. we don't know whether they are going to charge here or not. the i would say at a minimum hillary clinton who committed very serious, reckless violations of her national security responsibilities never had her home invaded and basically the justice department said pretty please to her lawyers in terms of, you know, what they were allowed to look for, they made agreements with clinton camp lawyers about what access they would have to computers that had classified information on them, and made

agreements about what the fbi could look at and what would be destroyed. obviously they were very coercive with trump compared to how indulgent they were with clinton. but the bottom line, will he be charged or not and we don't know that yet. >> john: part of the reason we believe the fbi went into mar-a-lago was that trump's attorneys said we have given over all the classified documents we have, but they had information to the contrary. hillary clinton's people said oh, we don't have any more classified emails and yet they did. but again, there's this difference in how the two situations are being treated. >> there absolutely is, john. and i don't think we can avoid mentioning when that went on with hillary clinton, president obama, then the sitting president, had already endorsed her to be his successor, to be the democratic party candidates for president. so the idea that she didn't get favorable treatment from the obama-biden justice department after the president had basically, you know, anointed her to be his successor i think

is just, you know, it's ridiculous to suggest otherwise. >> sandra: good to have you on to react to all of that. jonathan turley will be joining us next hour. meanwhile, back to school for millions of children in america today but it's not all smiles as they see old friends in some american cities. that's because years into the pandemic, children in some parts of the country are still being forced to wear masks? where that's happening and could the mask mandates spread even further. >> john: nuclear inspectors from the united nations en route to ukraine, a damaged nuclear plant. we are live in ukraine with the latest coming right up. >> we know that russia is putting not only ukraine, but also entire world at threat, at risk of nuclear accident. i brought in ensure max protein with 30 grams of protein. those who tried me felt more energy in just two weeks.

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station, but no one has come forward. the winner has one year from the date of the drawing to claim the money. sandra, i guess you have to ask the question, where is this person. but then again, if you won a billion dollars, would you go running down to the lottery corporation and say show me the money? or would you very carefully make a plan to do appropriate things with the money and then go. >> sandra: when you say it that way, perhaps you could speculate that might be the grand plan, keep the anonymity, maybe don't want their family to know. >> john: that has happened in the past with the huge multi-hundred million dollar lottery. >> sandra: life changing. >> john: for a lot of people. >> sandra: especially the winner. kids in philadelphia are heading back to school but the parents feel the district is going back in time for the mask mandates for students and teachers. jeff flock is in philadelphia, why are they wearing masks

again, jeff? >> they say they want to keep the kids safe, make sure people do not bring in covid from the summer and the districts and shut the place down. this is dunbar elementary school today, the kids were welcomed back by the superintendent and the mayor of the city of philadelphia, yeah, they were wearing mask, they did not have one, somebody gave them a mask. it's worth noting philadelphia is not alone. sacramento, san diego, newark, and philadelphia will expire in two weeks if there are no problems, and the majority of schools are mask optional. last year at this time, 25% only were mask optional. the rest mandated, this year 96% are mask optional and the rest

mandated. talked to both parents as well as the medical officer for the philadelphia public schools, you asked earlier what are they thinking? i asked her that very question. parents, too. both sides for you. >> we also know that masking does work and time limited masking, we are doing for ten days, also can working. >> no statistical solid evidence that the masking is helping. the only reason i can see they want to mask kids like in 3 to 5 years old and head start is as a shield for the adults in the facility. >> i leave you, sandra, the map shows four states have passed legislation that outlaw mask mandates. pennsylvania not one of those, however. and so we go, we just keep our fingers crossed and hope it goes back to normal soon. >> sandra: for those children who have been through so much through this pandemic.

thank you, john. >> john: stand by, new at 2:00, more migrant busses headed from the border to the big apple as texas governor greg abbott calls out the biden administration's absence at our border. how many more migrants will arrive in big democratic strongholds before so-called sanctuary cities understand the burden being felt by towns along the border? former acting dhs secretary chad wolf, and the blowback to the biden student loan plan and jonathan turley over the legal battle of the raid at mar-a-lago. all that coming up in the next hour as "america reports" rolls on. to have extra cash in the bank. and for veteran homeowners, it's as easy as one, two, three. one: call newday. two: talk to our team to see how much cash you can get. three: borrow up to 100% of your home's value with the newday 100 va loan. with home values near all-time highs, use your va benefit to turn the equity in your home into cash in the bank.

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>> sandra: "america reports" rolls into hour two. the white house under fire over president biden's hefty student loan handout. a lot of reactions still pouring in and not from across the aisle but from the same side of the aisle as the president. welcome back as "america

reports" rolls into hour two. i'm sandra smith from new york. >> john: i'm john roberts in washington. good to kick off this week with you, sandra. a growing number of democrats pushing back, estimated to cost a whopping trillion dollars, yes, trillion, with a t, followed by 12 zeros. >> bad policy, you could fund free pre-k for every 3 and 4-year-old for ten years. >> this is a step, a band aid step, a point in time step. we are not yet contending with the root issue which is the affordable crisis of higher education in our country. >> similar amounts of money you could have expanded pell grants, you could relieve medical debt for households throughout the united states. >> i think a targeted approach right now really does send the wrong message. a lot of people out there making 30, 40 grand a year that didn't

go to college and they need help as well. >> john: while some democrats are worried about how biden's move will impact their re-election chances, others are embracing it. >> i want america to win, what built us into an economic super power, making sure people can go to college if they want without going 30, $40,000 into debt. >> sandra: the other side of the aisle, republicans hoping biden's handout will give them a boost ahead of the midterm elections. some momentum on the side of democrats right now after calls for a big red wave a few months ago. this is the real clear politics average, showing that it's much tighter than just a couple months ago when you had a widen margin of victory potentially for republicans. now you move even closer to the midterm elections and that potential margin of victory for republicans is shrinking, although they are still projected to take back control of the house of representatives in the fall.

as everybody knows in politics, just the next few months, that's a long time in politic. we'll be watching just how much they can keep that margin of potential victory there. it is shrinking in the past few months. >> john: a week is forever, we have until november. peter, how is the white house responding to the criticism from fellow democrats? >> peter: they are doubling down, but it's democrats and republicans that are accusing this white house of targeting the wrong people, of not targeting with this student debt relief the americans that need the most help. >> i just thought it was monumentally unfair, unfair to people who did not go to college because they didn't think they could afford it, unfair to people who paid their loans back, unfair to people who got higher education in an area that the government did not make loans, and just bad economics. >> peter: when the white house

has rolled out other big proposals like the american rescue plan or the inflation reduction act, they have explained at the time how the plan was going to get paid for. this white house will not say who is footing the bill for all this canceled debt. >> a lot of the same people who are criticizing when we rightly did in following through on a commitment that we made to forgive student loan debt are the same people who voted for tax cuts for the richest americans. >> peter: at least they got a vote. this debt forgiveness was done unilaterally by the president without asking congress permission to spend all the money. >> arbitrarily cancel the debt with the stroke of a pen, not even going through congress, that's fairly illegal, adds hundreds of billions in a time when we are trying to bring inflation under control. this is a political shell game of money and i don't think, again, it's a really, really bad

idea. even nancy pelosi said the president could not do this. >> peter: president biden got back from a weekend at home in delaware earlier this morning. nothing on the schedule. we do expect, though, to hear from the press secretary in the next hour or so. john. >> john: looking forward to that briefing this afternoon. peter, thank you. >> sandra: james freeman, assistant editor for the "wall street journal," and ro khanna joined us and made this case. >> 27% of folks taking out the loans are the kids of welders, of working families, first in the generation to go to college. a lot of working families are benefitting. second, the loans will extend to have an indicational education and training. and if we want to do more things for the working class, let's do it. cancel medical debt for the working class. >> sandra: does he make a compelling case, james? >> i would say no. some of the people getting

relief did come from humble circumstances, the basic problem is they are getting ripped off by colleges. that's the problem that needs to be solved here. the federal government has subsidized lending, prices of tuition have gone like this, that value is not equivalent to what people are getting out of it or they would not be in trouble with the loans. the fact they cannot service the loans, even with a lot of -- we could argue whether they could actually service them or not, but if you are saying the white house is saying this is a crisis, they can't service their loans, it means that asset was not worth the money they borrowed to buy it. so the problem is college. >> sandra: as a result, a lot of republicans are talking about what this massive handout means for the midterm elections. here is mitch mcconnell remarks from kentucky this afternoon. listen. >> if the american people decide they want to go in a different direction this fall, i can assure you a republican house and senate or house or senate will not be interested in passing any more of these mass spending bills, which have

created the calamity we found ourselves in. >> sandra: do you see republicans picking up momentum based on this? >> they could. we have heard about the unfairness. for anyone who did the right thing, who saved, for people who chose not to go to college because it was too expensive, this has to create a lot of resentment, i would think. it's also just -- it's bad economics, it's inflationary as a former obama advisor jason furman has pointed out, it's really a disaster also because it prevents reform of colleges. we have a basic problem in this country, they are churning out kids with expensive degrees who don't have skills to add value in the marketplace. normally this should force a reckoning, and so one of the tragedies of this policy, it's not going to force colleges to change and they have to reform and stop -- they are ripping off kids. there's no other way to put it. if they are telling us this is a crisis, it means there is a crisis of quality in higher education. >> sandra: and i ask you about whether or not this will give

republicans some momentum. momentum is on the side of democrats, and i just pointed out in the politics chart a moment ago if we can put it on the screen, certainly the momentum has been on the side of democrats in recent weeks. you look back months ago and there was all that talk of almost certainty to see a red wave. that has changed, although the predictions still are for the house of representatives to flip, but that potential margin of victory is shrinking. the hill is writing this, red wave hits breaker, republican worries of a midterm flop are growing heading into the critical post labor day campaign season, analysts previously predicted massive gop gains shifting the forecast toward democrats. as john and i just pointed out, a lot of time before election day. >> i can't argue with the chart, and history as well as anyone, you look at the recent elections and it's basically impossible for parties, based on the recent experience, to outrun a president this unpopular.

i understand he's now underwater by 11 or 12 points, instead of 1 or 19, that's still too much. if you look at our recent elections for democrats to be able to run so many points ahead to win swing districts. so given the candidates, tough call. i think you have to expect, based on history, that republicans take the house. >> sandra: a lot of room still for either side to make comments that could move a voter, including this one, the president going after maga republicans. cue the sot. >> conservative republicans. i don't respect these maga republicans. the maga republicans don't just threaten our personal rights and economic security, they are a threat to our very democracy. >> sandra: democrats are -- they are defending this. it's not about the embracing, this is the head of the dnc, calling what it is what it is, in the end of the day, a country

built on freedom. about freedom rights for all of america's people, republicans are turning a blind eye. >> this kind of message, schizophrenia that president biden has really had since he was a candidate. he spends part of his time saying i want to change the tone of politics. >> sandra: i want to unify. >> and then the other time, condemning part of the country, 40, 50%, he's not calling them deplorable, like hillary clinton did, but a similar problem of disrespect for people who don't agree with him. but i think he could change his tone for starters. >> sandra: thank you very much. john, a look out at the midterm elections and how much can change to your point earlier. >> john: and the president's comments about maga really do seem to be a 2022 version of

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>> john: after a week of torrential rains, folks in mississippi are bracing for even more flooding. experts predict the pearl river will soon reach as high as 35.5 feet, causing more damage to dozens of nearby homes. the city of jackson mayor urging residents to leave if they can. this as the governor has declared a state of emergency there. sandra. >> sandra: wow. watching that, meanwhile we are also on dow watch. dow once again is falling and this afternoon, an hour and a half left to go in trading, although trying to recover, even reaching positive territory at one point today following friday's big selloff, when it fell 3% following comments from the federal reserve chair, jay powell, on further interest rate hikes, tighter monetary policy, more economic pain to come, all in an effort to tame inflation that many, including the white house and treasury secretary janet yellen, failed to see coming. dow off 88 points.

>> john: justice department saying it has already reviewed the documents seized from former president trump's mar-a-lago home, this comes after a federal judge signalled she intended to appoint a special master to look over what the feds collected during the raid. bring in jonathan turley, initially looked like a big win for president trump with the judge indicating she was inclined to appoint a special master, and then the doj in a filing comes out today and says oh, by the way, we have had these documents for three weeks, we have already had our filter review on them. we found a few probably subject to attorney/client privilege but we have already gone through them. jonathan, what good would a special master do? >> jonathan: it can still do a considerable amount of good, john, in the sense the special master could sort through this and categorize it separating out classified material, material that should be given back to the

archives, and then material that was outside the scope of those categories. the court might also give descriptive information, not really revealing anything classified, but saying that materials related as was leaked by the government to nuclear weapons information or national defense information, and then finally, the special master could tell the court that some of this material needs to go back to president trump. it's interesting that they made this acknowledgment that they, in fact, do have possible attorney/client material, and that's exactly why some of us have called for a special master since the raid was first disclosed. and this is another example, john, where the attorney general has failed to take proactive modest steps that could assure the public it's not pretextual or political, he's refused.

forced each time into a redacted affidavit and now a special master. >> john: let me come back to what you said there about what good a special master would do. the doj is saying look, we have already reviewed these documents, we have identified those which we think could be subject to attorney/client privilege and we are now working with the office of the director of national intelligence on a classification review. i mean, if a special master looked at these documents, could they come to a different conclusion about privilege and classification than the doj did? >> well, not necessarily on classification, but yes, on privilege. the special master could see the team was wrong. this should have been a motion the trump team filed the day after the raid. the doj clearly made fast work of this to make sure that they could get through this material and they beat the appointment of a special master. but that special master can disagree.

this team is not inviolate. the department of justice has a long and checkered history of overredactions and overclassifications and there could be disagreement on the point. we might be able to gain a degree of clarity to fill some answers by the redacted affidavit. >> john: one of the big questions is whether or not former president trump could face criminal charges. what "wall street journal" said about and potential double standard between hillary clinton and donald trump. and said the comey-clinton document standard and trump, hillary kept classified information on her private email service justice and the fbi let her off. also let her off despite the fact her attorneys had said we have given up all the emails that contain classified information when in fact they hadn't, and that seems to parallel the concerns about president trump when the team

said in june we don't have any more classified documents, the fbi and doj said oh, yes, you do, and went in to retrieve them. >> jonathan: it is a legitimate comparison and the department of justice has to be cognizant of the fact. they are supposed to be consistent at handling similar cases, and in some respects what is alleged against president trump is worse, in some respects hillary clinton's allegations were worse. it's hillary clinton had top secret information, she put it on a server which was more vulnerable to foreign intelligence. her staff was not particularly cooperative. people lawyered up, there was not files or computers readily turned over, the state department had a heck of a time trying to get her and her staff to cooperate. now, also on the other side, president trump is accused of even higher classified material with tssci, but the similarities are striking as is the response. there was no raid upon hillary

clinton. many of us were writing at the time why are you waiting and negotiating? we could not understand why alleging that she had as it turned out to be true top secret information, they had the laptops in the hands of clinton people who were actually resisting and some of us wrote go get the laptops. >> john: well, we'll see what happens on thursday, and we'll see if she does appoint a special master, whether or not it is of any use to the president. you believe it will be, so we'll keep watching this closely. jonathan turley, thank you. >> jonathan: thanks, john. >> sandra: developing right now, one small step back for america and one giant leap for, that's going to have to wait. the space race is hot, russia and china ambitious push to put people back on the moon. nasa's soaring hopes failed to get off the ground and nasa

scientists just held a briefing on exactly why. jonathan is live at the kennedy space center on florida's space coast. jonathan, what exactly went wrong here? a lot of anticipation for this. >> jonathan: nasa officials say it was two issues the engineers discovered during the fueling process. the fuel that the rocket uses is a combination of liquid ok against -- oxygen and liquid hydrogen, extremely cold. they cycle a small amount of fuel through the engines to cool them down so it's not a shock to the system when the rocket is ready to lift off. the problem is, during this conditioning process, one of the four engines, engine number three, did not reach the necessary temperature range for launch. engineers found the issue is being compounded by a problem with a vent valve.

>> combination of not being able to get the engine 3 chilled down and the vent valve issue that they saw at the inner tank really caused us to pause today and we felt like we needed a little more time. >> jonathan: nevertheless, nasa officials are optimistic they can resolve the issue in a very short amount of time, and so they say friday is definitely in play as their alternate launch window, and if that does not work out, they'll try again on monday. sandra. >> sandra: as it goes. we'll be watching for friday, then. jonathan, thank you. >> john: takes me back to my youth of watching all the apollo missions and a couple of them would get scrubbed and you are there watching the tv, and waiting for blastoff, oh, try again in a week. >> sandra: we'll see what happens friday then. inspectors racing to ukraine as officials warn of a disaster of

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>> sandra: united nations nuclear inspectors right now racing to ukraine in hopes of averting nuclear disaster. an urgent mission officials say will be the hardest the u.n. nuclear team has ever had. the largest nuclear power plant in europe a scene of devastation after weeks of fighting between vladimir putin's invading forces and ukrainians fighting to defend their homeland. alex hogan is live in the capital of kyiv, just past 9:30 at night there. how long until the u.n. nuclear team arrives there? >> well, they actually have already arrived here in kyiv.

the capitol of ukraine and will move to the power plant in the coming days, after months of attempting to get into the facility. the u.n. says they will go into europe's largest nuclear power plant, assess the facilities and the procedures, the safety protocols they say in recent months have simply been out of control. and moscow even agreeing this trip is necessary but it did warn this would not create a demilitarized zone around the facility. this site was temporarily kicked off the power grid and zelenskyy says it narrowly missed a nuclear disaster. take a look at the horrifying footage last night, residential areas are up in flames after russian attacks last night near the power plant. the city's mayor says at least ten people are injured and meanwhile, even more shelling across the river from the power plant today, both countries once again blaming each other.

>> pressure on the ukrainian side to stop shelling the territory could ease tensions. >> russia is putting not only ukraine but also entire world at threat, at risk. >> russia's defense ministry claims to have taken a settlement near a southern town, and the ukraine forces announcing their own counter attacks in the south, specifically in the town of kherson, residents have been told to collect food and medicine and to stay inside while they try to push back some of these russian forces. sandra. >> sandra: alex hogan reporting from kyiv 4, following all of that. thank you very much. >> john: texas governor greg abbott slamming president biden over his "absence at the southern border". the governor saying texas is forced to step up and stop drug

and human trafficking and the federal government ignores the crisis. this as abbott continues to send migrant busses to new york and washington. a few more arriving in the big apple today. chad wolf, the former dls secretary under president trump. good to see you. for decades you have had border states, texas, arizona, new mexico, california, dealing with the crisis and the impact of all the migrants, hundreds of thousands every month crossing the border and now new york city and washington stamping their feet and says it's not fair to us, but it's a tiny fraction of what the states have been dealing with many years. >> it's not only a fraction, but the biden administration through june of this year, released 1.3 million illegal aliens into the country. where do you expect them to go? texas is overwhelmed, arizona, others are overwhelmed. where are they going to go at the end of the day and seen the

administration fly them across the country. but places like new york and d.c. and others have been welcoming illegal aliens into the communities for years and years and years, i don't understand it. i think it's very strange that now they are complaining about it. now they are talking about weaponizing these migrants and where is it you think they have been going for years and years, places like new york and l.a. and other places that provide the sanctuary status to them. and so i'm confused here a little bit what is their concern. this is a policy they have put in place for years. >> john: you mentioned the federal government has sent people across the country. typically the federal government flies them to places like the white plains airport in the dead of night so nobody witnesses it, the difference is the busses are arriving in places like washington, d.c. and new york city during the daytime for maximum impact. >> right. i think that's right. i think certain individuals in those areas, new york and d.c.

are looking and saying well, i'm not sure i'm comfortable with this, not sure we need illegal alienis in the communities. its been happening for years, and years and years, and i think what the governor has been really able to do is to highlight this issue and having a national conversation, right. big city mayors were not talking about this 4 or 10 months ago, when the crisis is raging 18 months. the d.c. mayor talking about needing national guard help. the biden administration is not providing that to them, if they did, they would have to provide it to texas and all the other places an i long the border and if there's no crisis, they to this day will not admit a crisis along the border, so they are not going to do that, and they are not going to be able to help the mayor of d.c. >> john: greg abbott tweeted what he called president biden said at the beginning of this, absence at the border, said texas is filling in the gaps left by biden's absence at the

border. over 19,000 arrest, seized 335.5 million lethal fentanyl doses and migrants on busses to d.c. and 1500 to new york city, biden ignores the crisis, texas steps up. so again, the mayors of new york city and washington complaining about all of this but they are proud of their status as sanctuary cities. where else are the migrants supposed to be? be careful what you wish for? >> what the mayors should be doing is thanking governor abbott, thanking him for actually making the arrests and stopping those dangerous people from coming in into the -- into texas and elsewhere, right. these are just the individuals apprehended by border patrol and turned over, they are then releasing. this is a whole, you know, group of individuals that the governor has in detention facilities and other folks. so, he's doing a job the federal government has decided not to do, not enforcing the law, not

apprehending, they are releasing them into country, they are not removing individuals in the interior of the country, not doing anything they should be doing to enforce border security and immigration law, and immigration enforcement. and so texas governor is saying i'm having to step in. i'm having to do the job the federal government should do, texas taxpayer money to do the job the federal government should do, i have the ability and the duty to protect texans at the end of the day. >> if abbott and ducey did not send them, they have to go somewhere. >> 15 months they are released into texas cities and communities. they are overwhelmed. not enough busses to bus the migrants out. why you see them put on airplanes. not enough transportation and infrastructure along the border to move the folks out.

so texas governor and others are just, they are beyond, they are out of options, out of options because the federal government won't step in and do their job and so he's having to move them to other locations and he's picking sanctuary cities. again, these are jurisdictions that have welcomed them, that have protected illegal aliens from immigration enforcement and actually provided them benefits. in new york city, you can actually vote, illegal alien can vote in a local election. so they have put this paradigm in place so i find it very strange now they are complaining about it. >> john: it is interesting to watch the pictures of the busses arriving in new york city and as the migrants step off the bus, they are welcomed by an official from the city. >> of course they are, they always have been. >> john: to see them on this journey. we'll keep watching this, an important issue and while abbott and ducey have the attention of the local mayors, they don't have of the biden administration. >> sandra: as violent crime

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>> john: developing here in d.c., an nfl rookie running back rushed to the hospital after being shot. now police are on the hunt for two suspect. chief washington correspondent mike emanuel joins us. >> mike: head coach ron rivera said washington is -- robinson is in a good place, surgery went well, thanks for the prayers, god is great. either a carjacking or attempted armed robbery and robinson sustained non-life-threatening injuries. robinson was a star at alabama before being selected by washington in the third round of the nfl draft. he's had a very strong training camp and expected to be named a starter for running back. the timing, before 6:00 p.m.

yesterday, so broad daylight. he was struck twice in the lower body, hospitalized in stable condition. police are looking for two suspects who fled the scene. the gun was also recovered. the team's head coach is expressing some relief. >> he's very fortunate, in a very unfortunate situation but he's doing well. and it's just -- it will be a matter of time before he's back out here. there is no timeline, but as i said, everything was very positive. >> mike: the coach was shocked when he got a phone call saying his rookie running back had been shot. >> john: and just a few blocks from where we are. >> mike: and stunning, daylight, probably going to a landmark restaurant in the area, and new to alabama, check out ben's chili bowl or some other famous washington restaurant, so it was just before 6:00 on a sunday evening, a kid going out to get

a bite to eat, very upsetting. >> john: and a shooting just north of us as well. still have a problem on their hands. >> sandra: emotional time for the parents of 13 u.s. service members killed in the suicide attack at kabul airport just over a year ago. our next guests lost their son, 31-year-old marine staff sergeant taylor hoover in that. kelly and darin, welcome to both of you. a country looks back and country remembers and you remember your son. you've been through so much, kelly, how are you doing, how is your family? >> today i'm doing all right. >> sandra: yeah. >> i don't know, i'm just overwhelmed today. the weekend was great. we got to lay a wreath for taylor at the tomb of the unknown soldier to honor him. today has just been a little overwhelming and sad. >> sandra: and i know just

having seen some local reports about that moment that you were able to share and remember your son at arlington cemetery, you laid a wreath at the tomb of the unknown soldier, vowed to visit him every year, quoting you, i could feel he was there with us, such an important moment for you both as a family. darin, how are you doing and reflecting on your son's death a year later? >> i'm doing ok, too. it was a rough weekend, she was right. and at the same time feel very blessed and honored that we were able to do that, and have that ability to honor him in that manner. you know, i have my good days and my bad days, just like kelly does, just like our girls do. and luckily or unluckily,

whichever way you want to look at it, i am able to immerse myself a little bit in work and there aren't very many hours that go by that we don't -- that i don't think of him and you know, just a sense of pride and i don't know that my chest could be any more puffed out with that pride at what our son was able to accomplish, and all of those soldiers that were there with him as well. >> sandra: left behind quite a legacy fighting for this country and doing what he believed was right, and i know you've also told some of the local news outlets there that every single day since then you've only grown prouder of your son. kelly, a lot will be made about the decisions surrounding that withdrawal from afghanistan. i know that you and your son's

father have had a lot to say about that. where do you find yourself now a year later looking back at those decisions? >> i think i'm more frustrated now than i was then just finding out more and more about how it was run, what they put our men and women in the military through. also finding out that, you know, our men and women work 24 hours a day trying to help these people and you know, the department of state basically had working hours, banking hours, they would work 9 to 5 and then close shop and leave it to our men and women to calm the crowd because they could pull anybody through during that time, and it's just infuriating, i don't know why they didn't take the time they needed and get it right. >> sandra: darin, how about you.

how do you reflect on those decisions the leadership level a year later, having so much time to think about it. i know that you choose to look and be so proud of your son saying 170,000 individuals, both afghans, americans, citizens from other countries quoting you, they were able to get them out through that gate and make their lives better. hopefully they are in a better place other than the home they left. your final thoughts. >> you know, i'll echo kelly's sentiments as well. i'm infuriated that up to this point, no responsibility, no accountability has been taken for, let's face it, the botched way that this occurred. i've said it before and i'll say it again. our granddaughter could have taken a crayon and a piece of paper and done a heck of a lot

better job than three generals with, and i'm spit balling here, combined 90 years or so of experience, that they couldn't have done any better? our kids, those marines, the army, they were all put in an untenable situation through the administration, through the state department, and there's no excuse for it. there's none whatsoever, and we've got -- we've gotten nothing. we've gotten nothing out of the people in charge, and it's just -- it's so frustrating and infuriating, and there's no words for me at this point to explain how upset i am that we lost all of those precious souls. do we know that they sign up for that, yeah, we do, that that is

a possibility, but when it happens in an evacuation time and to have it happen in the manner that it did, there's -- there's just no -- there's no words. >> sandra: our hearts break with you and as americans we grieve with you. thank you for coming on and telling your stories. we have been showing those beautiful pictures of your son. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> sandra: tough, john. hard to believe it's been a year. >> john: it's so hard for a parent, too, because you know that your loved ones are going into harm's way, that that's what they sign up for. but when it's a situation like this they were sent in as scott mann was saying earlier because the situation there just became so chaotic and atenable, and then the worst happens like that, as a parent it's even more difficult to make sense of this. >> sandra: we remember a utah marine staff sergeant taylor

hoover and the 12 other u.s. troops killed during the american pullout in the airport attack. thanks to his parents for joining us. we'll be right back.

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