veterans get more at newday. speak to the end of an era in the beginning of a new one. we will soon hear from great britain's new monarch, king charles the third, following the death of queen elizabeth ii. she was 96. a-10-day period of mourning is underway as britain faces its first day in more than 70 years without queen elizabeth. this is "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner with emily compagno and

kayleigh mcenany. also carley shimkus and douglas murray. king charles iii is back at buckingham palace and preparing to address the commonwealth, the u.k., and the world for the first time as monarch around 1:00 p.m. eastern. his majesty was welcomed by huge crowds. following his return from scotland where he, along with his sister, princess and, reportedly at his mother's side when she passed. the king's speech is expected to be accompanied by a service at st. paul's cathedral in london to be attended by the new prime minister, list trust, and senior officials. liz trust was seen arriving at the palace for her first audience with the new king just the past hour. meanwhile, plenty of remembrances come up public viewing is planned as the british people prepared to say farewell to the only monarch most of them have ever known. douglas, a lot of people

talking. moving on and talking about what the future is going to look like under king charles. what's your thought on that? speak with the monarchy is one of the most durable institutions in the world. it's been through so much. as a young girl when she was still a teenager she addressed the children of the commonwealth during the war and sent to them "we will win. we will get through this." they did. throughout her whole life she was the exemplar of duty and service and much more. i think that the monarchy is in very safe hands. it's always going to go through ups and downs. that's inevitable. it's been inevitable for thousands of years but it's in very good hands with king charles and with his air and success, the new prince of -- the prince of wales. >> harris: when you say "in good hands, what does that mean. there's been pushes of late.

>> douglas: the commonwealth was really created by the queen. she presided over the postcolonial period and made sure that this family of nations made united. to a great extent the commonwealth will have stresses now that the queen herself has passed. prince charles knows his own duty. he has been preparing for this role for 70 years. as i said, we might as well acknowledge there's always errant princes. one of the great problems of the royal family. >> laura: that is so diplomatic. >> douglas: there's always problems of the heirs and the spares. the crucial thing about it is not the spares but the central line of monarchy. the crown will pass from her majesty the queen to king charles, eventually to king william.

>> harris: biden is not a king he might know a thing about an errant son. >> carley: the errant son of our president. that's the first person i thought about. i've heard we can expect some changes in the future with king charles iii. one of them is he wants to trim down the monarchy. the working monarchy. to save taxpayer dollars. it's expensive to have a royal title and all the comes with it. he wants to open up buckingham palace more, i have read. i've done the tour, it's amazing. you get to see more of buckingham palace and you think you will. it would ingratiate more people to the royal family and open up their lives in that way. the other thing personally that charles will probably change is how politically active he is.

one of the things queen elizabeth, you never knew where she stood politically. that's because she's the head of the state, the head of the church and she counseled prime minister's on both sides of the aisle. with a wink or a nod, you may be able to sense where she stood politically. >> harris: who she liked. >> carley: prince charles has been much more vocal about it. he talked about climate change openly and how he felt about that. he talked about integration policy. immigration policy. that will change. he becomes king and he becomes above the political fray. >> harris: steve hilton was with us. we watched -- i think we want to see a change. he has the types of pressures with children who are very different. their mom, princess diana, they've been out in the world so much more. maybe not hold in the same ways charles was. how does he navigate that.

>> emily: as we have been talking about the lobbying he underwent during his time as prince, he was asked in 2018, will you continue when you are inevitably king and he said no, i'm not that stupid. you wrote a really fascinating op-ed, douglas. he talked about the name he has assumed, king charles iii. you said it's a reflection of the past as well as forward-looking. i'm wondering if you could expound on that especially in light of what i found one of the multiple remarkable things about her majesty, the later majesty, she served as president of or head of over 500 charities. obviously her legacy is too far-reaching to even discuss in one hour but in light of that, can you speak to his new name and what we have to look forward to? >> douglas: everything having to do with the british monarchy looks backwards as well as forward through the history with charles is not entirely happy one.

king charles the first presided over england as it went into civil war. the 1640s. he was beheaded in whitehall in london. the first king that happened to. his son, king charles the second was in exile but returned. king charles the second oversaw the restoration of the monarchy. so the charles' historically have both the worst and the best of the monarchy, the end of the monarchy in the beginning of one. he himself will be very aware of that. he could have chosen other titles. he could've chosen some of his other names that he was given. >> emily: i was sort of rooting for king arthur, just for the literary value. >> douglas: exactly. one of his names is arthur. he could have gone for king arthur. that might've been rather overdoing expectations. >> emily: [laughs] >> douglas: but yes, the whole institution of the monarchy is about the crown continuing. he will be very aware of this.

i mentioned in that piece. when now king, he had been found writing letters to ministers. but the late queen would never have dreamed of doing that. you had to sort of guess and read through the lines to even assume what she really thought about anything. she was a guiding presence, not a telling presence. i would've hoped you would've stopped -- he would've stopped doing this by now. he will have to stop doing it as king. there's no way of king and a constitutional monarchy can criticize the government. >> harris: i am going to use that for my teenagers. being a guiding presence rather than telling presence. clearly, you were with a president. something the rest of us weren't. at a time when the queen was navigating a lot. both in her personal life and scandals and also just in terms of where the world was. >> kayleigh: exactly.

one of the things that is so enduring about her legacy is for unity. prime minister's as different as boris johnson and tony blair pouring out praise. not just praise but really speaking to this woman's legacy. for her to have the love of donald trump and joe biden, two very different figures, she had this way of just bringing people together. rising above the moment. i'm trying to think to myself this morning, is there any figure in american history who has this kind of enduring, unifying legacy. the person who came to mind was billy graham. i was doing some research about the two of them. she met with 12 of the 13 american presidents. billy graham that with all 13 of them. that's where the unique the attribute about both of them. they had an enduring friendship. franklin graham has been speaking about his father. saying she was a woman of rare modesty and character. he shares their friendship shared on the love for jesus christ. she invited him to preach at

windsor several times. she said though she couldn't actively support the billy graham crusades, she definitely helped propel them along because she was so supportive of the mission. to delve into her face, you can see how she could rise above the moment. she was relying on some things are much bigger than herself. that comes out of her character. >> harris: i love that. coming up, as democrat lead cities across the nation struggle to keep up with the busloads of illegal immigrants being sent from texas, stacey abrams and georgia is demanding undocumented immigrants as she calls them should qualify for college scholarships. oh, my. no upfront costs at all. let us get your family security of cash in the bank. new astepro allergy. now available without a prescription. astepro is the first

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>> emily: democrat lead cities across the country are struggling to keep up with the busloads of migrants being sent from texas. more buses arrived in new york city just this morning. in chicagocity are being sent the overflow. washington, d.c., has declared a state of emergency over the migrant surge. after california are guaranteed migrants health care in new york city offered free folds, now georgia governor candidate stacey abrams is weighing in, pushing for free or low-cost college, telling an audience this week "if you finish high school, you should be able to attend any college to which you are qualified to attend the matter what your documentation says. you finish high school here, you live in the state, you should be able to pay in-state tuition. it's an artificial impediment to require immigrant students who are undocumented to pay out-of-state tuition when they graduated from a georgia high school." kayleigh, part of the rub for americans, not to speak for

enron, a lot of our neighbor. neighbors are working two jobs to make ends meet. they are cutting down so they can afford a phone for work and the like and they are hearing about the plethora of free things being given to hundreds of thousands of people coming across the border illegally. >> kayleigh: you are a blue-collar worker, you hit the nail on the head. imagine how you feel. say you didn't go to college. you're working i heard blue-collar factory job. you told -- you are told you're going to pay your neighbors gets a student loan debt which is what the biden administration told you. then you go to your seat of government and your wannabe governor has said we want to help illegal immigrants go to college and get this lavish in-state tuition deal. you look to new york and the illegal migrants are staying big fancy motels. what does it say to the blue-collar worker? we don't care about you. you ask why there's been a big

flea of these reagan democrats who were democrats who voted for reagan, democrats who have returned home to the republican party. it's things like this. each time they do this is putting a knife in the wound of the working class. >> emily: i think what this administration has a knack for doing is trying to gaslight whose money is whose. they talk about government funds. that's the taxpayers dollars. this isn't charity. we are all on board for charity and philanthropy. this is being told your tax dollars and your hard-earned money which is valued so much less now is being used instead of to you and your family for people who have come here illegally when we are struggling. how is that acceptable? >> harris: how is it necessarily what was meant about legal immigration so many years ago which made us a fantastic country. how is that in any way, shape, or form what our elders had in mind? not forefathers. i mean just in the last 100

years. was that what they had in mind? so everybody could get a free ride? suddenly dissolving or at least diluting the meaning of what it means to get that piece of paper as a u.s. citizen. to know that you have done at the right way. to be part of something bigger than yourself in america. you've diluted the greatness of that. i don't doubt that on the left that there isn't some of that thirst going on because if they can dilute what you think of this country, they can control you easier. the country is not going to be doing enough for you to listen to those of us who can take care of you. that's what happened. i don't know where that takes us. i just know i don't necessarily want to go there. i want to keep the greatness of this country, keep doors open for people who want to come legally but then understand when you lose your sovereignty as a nation, you change in ways that maybe you can't even imagine. >> emily: that's right. my grandfather had framed in his home his u.s. citizenship certificate so proudly all the

days of his life. douglas, i'm curious. we've talked about this. we have the d.c. mayor declaring a state of emergency for 4,000 migrants when the southern border has been absolutely slammed in the face by hundreds of thousands of migrants and spread throughout the country and the question is how is it not so transparent when you have mayors like eric adams that say we welcome everyone. of course everyone is equal. we just need more resources to care for them and then we have the decoration of the state of emergency. it demonizes the g.o.p. and governors like governor abbott who are frank about, yeah, we don't have these resources. it's not about being welcoming. it's about being legal, sticking to the rule of law so our resources are not diluted for the american citizens who are struggling. >> douglas: that's right. some people talk about legal and illegal immigration is if there is a sort of no particular difference. there is a difference. the difference is the law. the law.

if you don't have the law, you don't have a country. i saw something similar happening in europe in 2015. i wrote a book about it. it came out in 2017. i saw exactly the same thing happen. the left-wing politicians polishing their halos telling people we must let everyone in but they were away from the front line on the borders. the people on the borders in italy and greece and elsewhere, they were having to deal with the thousands and thousands of people every day coming in to europe as they are to america today. it is so extraordinary to see reality catch up with these people. it should catch up with them. i don't have any sympathy for the governors and others in new york and washington and the other places who have been grandstanding for all these years about sanctuary cities and much more. this is when the realize how the southern states are feeling. this is where they realize it has consequences.

keep telling people illegal immigration isn't an issue and it will be on your doorstep. that's why this great nation's capital washington, d.c., now looks to me like a tent city. union station, the place is covered in homeless tents. every green space. a speech to the police tell you try not to come in at night. if you can take trains that don't get you in late. >> emily: we don't have baby formula. we don't have enough money to cover inflation but you get a free phone and you get a free phone. >> carley: are you get in-state tuition. what stacey abrams said, very easy for her to say now and she's running for governor but what if she wins? put that policy into practice and then what happens is that you have american students whose families pay taxes in georgia who then lose a spot third in-state tuition slot. therein lies the crux of this illegal immigration issue where there are real-world constables

is on some of them are very big if you have open borders. people want to do us harm. it's much easier for them to come in. drugs, human sex trafficking, issues with health care. education. i think the people who promote these ideas like stacey abrams, they're not bad people. they are blinded by compassion and severely misguided. >> harris: i think they are blinded by politics and what they want to do in their own careers. this is about also building a constituency that you think is going to vote democrat for a while. >> emily: a socialist one. remember a texas mirror on the southern border declared a public health state of emergency. he was vilified for it to try to allocate resources to cover the migrant surge. now the d.c. mayor doesn't. >> carley: i love what douglas said, the farther away you are from the border of the less you care about illegal immigration that is what governor abbott is doing.

he is trying to bring the border to those mayors and governors who said that they don't really care about the issue, that he's bad for how he's handling it. and they are now not handling it well at all. >> emily: with the exception of the fentanyl overdoses that have impacted every state. that's why in that lawsuit filed by 23 states against the federal government that said do something. it included 22 additional states throughout the country. you're right. coming up, governor gavin newsom telling residents to turn down their air-conditioners in the middle of a sweltering heat wave after triple digits in many places in california. but while he preached in the room cold enough that he had to wear fleece. oh, the hypocrisy. that's next. >> everyone has to do their part to help step up, just a few more days. precool your home. run your air conditioning earlier in the day went more powers available.

>> kayleigh: critics calling out cali california governor gavin newsom. the state's searing heat wave. in the video he's wearing a fleece coat suggesting that his air-conditioning was blasting. take a look. >> we are heading to the worst part of this heat wave and the risk for outages is real. everyone has to do their part to help step up for just a few more days. prequel your home. run your air conditioning earlier in the day. we encourage you to close your windows and blinds to keep your home cool. today and tomorrow afternoon after 4:00 p.m., please turn

your thermostat up to 78 degrees or higher of the void to the extent possible using any really large appliances. >> kayleigh: optics, optics, optics through the language of politics. you think someone would say hey, wear a t-shirt. >> carley: he likes that big bear on his fleece. i can't get over this electric vehicle thing. by 2035 by law everybody in california who wants a new car will have to buy electric vehicle dictating which car people can buy. after that happens, the next week, you know what he says. everybody with an electric vehicle, please don't charge them because the power grid can't sustain it. are you kidding me? telling people to buy cars. currently the electric grid can't sustain it. what happens when all those electric vehicles are going to be bought by californians in 2035? it's crazy.

three they will have a lot of problems. hypocrisy is the bedfellow of gavin newsom. at the french laundry, at the football game. >> emily: having been subjected to his mayoral rain in san francisco when i lived there and him as governor i've known for literally decades what a joke and often his behavior is as a jerk half the time. we have known his policies don't work. he pays lip service to these things. he's just another guy. i think his trying to be this champion of everyone's needs, why doesn't he knowledge the fact that californians pay the highest in the continental u.s. for power. them subsidizing a during their green energy, doesn't lower the rate. it distorts the market. it makes it worse. as we've said before, californians have to rely on neighboring states but their power supplies are being diluted

as well because of their renewable shift. the transition has not been accounted for. he's not acknowledging those vulnerable people under his watch. the elderly, the homeless, those that really need to make sure that they do stay cool. he's not acknowledging his suffering is happening. for a state that's touting its silicon valley empire, how cold you think server rooms need to be kept? it's a farce and i'm so sad at the destruction of my home state. >> kayleigh: one twitter user pointed out "i am sweating inside my own house with one fourth of the clothing you're wearing in this video. where are you?" >> harris: i live in new jersey with actual snowfall and there are days when i don't have on as much gear as he is wearing. come on. the whole holding her breath thing was brought to us by the l.a. mayor, garcetti. i don't know. maybe it caught on like contagion during covid restrictions. the hypocrisy gavin newsom laid

out, eating dinner when everyone else was locked in their homes and it was a multi-star michelin restaurant. he is so used to hypocrisy but that's also underneath the vest that he's wearing. it's what he puts on. leadership, i don't know if that's part of the government or not. by the way, what is up with the bayer? the beer is covered in fur too and he is stuck in a place where there is no ac. it's not just the humans he doesn't care about. he doesn't care about anything. you know it goes with heat, wildfires. they're going to get hit. i don't get anything dripping from his lips that even sounds like humanity. his messaging is wrong. his optics are wrong. he wants to be president so what's that going to look like? >> douglas: we've got an idea what it looks like. he managed to absolutely were asked san francisco. that is correct california. now he's rounding out nationwide. he is one of the most disastrous politicians in modern america.

you know if anyone wants to know what government overreach look like, if someone who cannot run a state other than into the ground. tell you what temperature to have your home at. there is nothing this man has been able to resolve in his political career. he's overseen san francisco in particular become an absolute slum city. it should be one of the most beautiful cities in the world. >> harris: it was. >> douglas: it's a needle covered wasteland. this is a man who presided over that. now saying this is the level i t which you should have your thermostat. >> kayleigh: one other hippohypocrite, john kerry. 75 of his official travel announcements during march '21 to july '22 he flew roughly a hundred and 80,000 miles, the equivalent of traveling around the world seven times. couldn't you zoom? >> douglas: john kerry has had

more private jet flights than gavin newsom has had hot french dinners. [laughter] it's a lot. whenever -- one of that great things about john kerry as he comes back from these trips. he explains in this bloviating way about how incredibly important the latest meeting was. his self-image versus what he's actually been able to achieve is one of the largest gaps i've ever seen. >> kayleigh: it's true. i would love to see him sail around the world seven times like greta thunberg. >> harris: they could cut back on the energy they are using. >> carley: i hope they face time like aoc. coming up, and alarming report in the state of free speech and college campuses. some of the nation's most elite schools are among the worst offenders when it comes to freedom of expression.

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♪ ♪ >> emily: welcome back. if you're concerned about free speech, columbia university may not be the school for you. a leading free-speech organization ranked the best and worst college campuses for freedom of speech and new york city's ivy league school comes in dead last. the group also gave low scores to the university of pennsylvania, georgetown, and skidmore college. the university of chicago came in first for campus free-speech. meanwhile there are some alarming numbers on freedom of expression. in a survey of more than 40,000 students and finds that 2% of

campus conservatives often feel they cannot express their opinions freely but only 13% of liberals and 23% of moderates feel that same way. currently these numbers are devastating for academia in my opinion. >> carley: yes and i think the single greatest example of intolerance on college campuses was when the yale law students protested the debate that included the conservative speaker. i believe they shut that debate down. they are law students. their job will be to debate and listen to another side of an argument that they disagree w with. i went to college between 2005 and 2009 and i didn't have to deal with any of this. people say college is for many decades have been liberal institutions and that's true, it seemed like it was much more contained. now it's becoming a much more open thing where you talk to young people today and i have. a lot of conservative young

student same they're afraid to speak out because they know it will ruin their social life or just make things more challenging to them. so now a lot of young people are self censoring. that's not fair. >> emily: you hit the nail on the head. kayleigh, 63% of students say they fear their reputation will be damaged if they speak their minds. a quarter report they are often self censoring. what's interesting, certain topics. they include things like vaccine mandates, police, abortion, racial inequality, vaccine mandates, i don't know if i said that or not, gun-control, things things that are fundamental. you would think you could robustly and honestly debate or discuss. almost three quarters of students say they feel they can't. >> kayleigh: it's crazy. 62% in that same poll said it's okay to shout down the speaker. carley, i went to college the same time as you. i could not agree with you more.

i felt it was okay to express my opinion that i went to one of the worst offenders, georgetown. i will say to your point about law school. i went to law school several years later, everything had changed. it wasn't the faculty. it was the students. they put tape down the wall and said if you have privilege speech, putting on the site. nonprivileged speech. what they meant was conservative, liberal, pro-police. that was their demarcation. it's so sad that these are future law students. when i went to oxford it was very open. people love that i was a conservative. i was like an experiment to them. they were so far left that they would pick my brain and it was all in good nature and we would stay up until late in the evening all debating politics and it was fun. i wish american universities could get back to that kind of model. >> emily: i went to school 100 years ago. >> douglas: i am feeling very old. speech i am about ready to go home.

>> emily: i grew up in the bay area. a liberal bastion. i had conservative views back then and i always felt supp supported. to your point, and intrigue, interesting note rather than this attacking. let's put up, we have a full screen of the other colleges that ranked best and worst. hillsdale, pepperdine, brigham young, st. louis university. the worst ones for free speech, skidmore, georgetown, university of pennsylvania, columbia. a lot of work you've done is on trends. what are your takeaways from these trends? >> douglas: the main trend in america on the last ten years has been student fragility. they are not faking it. that's one thing that's alarming. they are fragile. they worry that ideas will harm them. they think that ideas are the same thing as physical harm. >> harris: the president of the united states is saying that

very thing. >> douglas: officials across the u.s. as in britain and europe, they are doing the same thing. we've created a fragile generation. but we have to wonder is, are these people going to be much use? the answer to that is no. you will not be much use in a court room if you can't hear contrary views. you will not be much use in a hospital if you're terrified by words. we have to create generation which is more stoical, tougher, more resilient, able to see through bad times. life is tough. it can be great. it can also be tough. if we tell the young, life can be arranged to suit you and fit around you. no. you've got to be able to see through the tough times and the good times and that is not what we are preparing this generation four. >> harris: you know who benefits from the weakness in the courtroom, the criminals. not the victims. >> emily: as we transition

into coverage of her majesty's passing and the king's speech. it was considered she is sort of the last ambassador of that generation of giants, that world of giants among us. as you point out, it simply snowflakes. >> harris: awaiting the first formal address from king charles iii. that is set to come up in about 15 minutes from now if he is on time. he returned to buckingham palace today following his mother queen elizabeth ii's passing. as he arrived there for the first time as king, he was greeted by crowds and an outpouring of support. people were kissing him on the cheek. his address is expected that 1:00 p.m. eastern. charles is beginning his reign at 73 years old. his late mom spent nearly that many years on the throne and her seven decades of service.

let's bring in martha mccallum who flew like wonder woman in an invisible plane ticket to buckingham palace faster than anybody that i know. she is our expert on staff on this. martha, good to see you. >> martha: good to see you, harris. >> harris: what is it going to be like to hear from king charles iii? do we know if it's going to be live? is it taped? what he will draw from? what are some of the things being talked about among the citizens? >> martha: it's interesting. one of the things that's quite common is for the royals to record these appearances. it's our understanding that he did record it earlier today. and that he has left buckingham palace and returned to windsor. he will most likely watch this with the rest of the folks at windsor. we know both of his sons are on property there. it is likely that they will watch this together. i think that moment when he

arrived outside of buckingham palace earlier with camilla, the queen consort camilla it had to have been a moment when it really sunk in for him. the first time in his life people were there to greet him. the royal standard was flying above buckingham palace for him. he had that opportunity to look up and see that that did not mean that the queen was in residence. it meant that he was arriving and he was going to be working there this afternoon to make this very important address to the people as king for the first time. it's going to be very interesting to see the tone he takes. i would imagine a good chunk of the speech will be recognizing his mother, expressing his grief at the loss of his mother and his feelings of affection for her. and then a little bit of a look towards the future in terms of what kind of stability he wants to project and continuity for this dynasty. >> harris: i have a quick follow-up.

i have been reading. the inflation where you are is worse than ours. it's cooking above 10%. it's not having anything impacted. it just gets worse. i'm wondering, martha, i know this job is not in politics. do you, much like he did working the rope line which is something i didn't think we would ever see today. with king charles iii. greeting and being hugged. a lot of condolences. do you also say something a kin to "i hear you. i know what you're going through." >> martha: it's interesting. charles has had moments where he spoke and wrote letters to politicians and was a little more outward, forward leaning in his perspective on politics. queen elizabeth really stuck to the line where the monarch does not play a political role at all. she is in a role to listen and advise. it'll be interesting to see if

he shifts his tone now that he is the monarch himself. liz trust, it's her job to handle the economy. she took over. we understand that they didn't meet earlier and had their first conversation but my guess is he will project hope for the country and solidarity for the country community. they can face these challenges together. that's the role of the monarch, to give people inspiration and unity. that's probably what we are going to hear in a short time. >> kayleigh: you hit on this a little bit. we are not just watching the assent of the king but we are watching the grief of a song. some reports i read he was by her bedside yesterday when queen elizabeth ii pass. we all looked to as the matriarch. this is his mother. how do you balance the emotions of this moment with your family and the duty of a king? >> martha: it's got to be shocking. even though he's been waiting

for it his whole life. his mother was 96. must be a strange situation to sort of be in waiting for your job for 73 years. i'd imagine that's just beginning to sink in for him. i think the private side of queen elizabeth, and she was criticized for not being a great mother to anne and charles. she left them for six months as they were kids and went on the road to do her duty. she was always clear her duty was her first priority and family right after that, close behind. but that was what her m.o. was. i think he probably will make sure the people understand that they had a close relationship. he loved his mother. she had a personal side. she was a grandmother and a great grandmother to many children. she's got a big family. my guess is that he's going to try to make sure the people understand his own feelings for her tonight in the speech as

well. >> kayleigh: what is the atmosphere like? we have seen this outpouring in front of buckingham palace. i would imagine it's electrifying. >> martha: there were chants today of "god save the king "when charles was in front of the palace and no doubt that struck a deep chord in him. it's an ancient greeting for the king. this dynasty goes back a thousand years to william the conqueror in this long line that he is now part of. when his coronation comes, he will sit on a throne that has been used with the stone of stone in its base for all of these generation so no doubt he has a deep sense of that today. i think that there is a genuine sense of morning, respect, outpouring of love. people milling around, saying i can because i wanted to pay my respects and bring some flowers and bring them here. people with little kids wanting them to be part of this as well. it's just going to grow as we

get closer to the actual funeral. you can deftly feel that sense of national coming together and people wanting to be close to where they are. >> emily: martha, it's emily. king charles iii clipped a few years ago he said he was walking into a grocery store waiting for people to get out. he said this is the story of my life. everyone is trying to get in while waiting for me to get out. i wonder, talking about the evolution of him finding assuming the throne for which he has waited 73 years. the public perception of him has mellowed in recent years, as douglas murray pointed out in a really great op-ed. as the public willing to accept him now with open arms? do you feel that there is such an outpouring of support? do you feel it will to warm as he assumes the throne and that he is a mold and his mother's

making as well as worthy of the king. >> martha: generally i think douglas' piece was great and i think generally people want to embrace him. that's an inclination, especially people who show up here. you have plenty of people in the united kingdom or anti-royal. chants at an irish soccer game, sort of jubilant the queen has passed. you're always going to have an element of the united kingdom but i think generally people want him to succeed. i think they have genuinely mellowed towards him over the years. diana has been gone for 25 years now. it was interesting to see camilla with him hanging back. there was one exchange. someone said good luck to her. she said thank you. i'm going to need it. her own marriage fell apart. they had very long friendship that's developed into a marriage

and now they are the king and queen consort of their story. >> harris: he been joined by douglas murray. i will always have a million questions. i really want to know what you are thinking and feeling in this moment. it would be absolutely wonderful to see you and martha, her being there and you with your experience there and familial contact to just chat. >> douglas: hello, martha. i'm very sorry not to be in london at the moment. the nation is in such mourning. it's painful to see. it's hard to relate to what the passing of the queen means. the queen is not just the monarch, the emblem of the nation. it's something like a flag in america that might be the closest to something of what it feels like.

she was just the most magnificent person. i think we are lucky that she has left a magnificent line after her. i do think as always with the crown coming up to look to the future. prince charles is an immensely talented and underappreciated figure. has been for most of his life. i think camilla, the queen consort, has been much underestimated. people will realize in the coming months and years how much she has to give. whenever i've seen her things i've always been struck by her enormous amiability, her kindness, her sparkle. i think that's something that prince charles also has. that's always been in the shadows of that because everyone has been in the shadow of the queen. i think now there is an opportunity for the now king and the other royals to show themselves. it's -- i can't tell you how upsetting it is. it's just --

when i heard the news yesterday. i felt my lips tremble and i thought "don't do it." >> harris: i haven't heard anyone make an equivalent to somebody we would may be physically understand and that is the love of our stars & stripes. from a very young age we are taught to say the pledge of allegiance to our american flag. it is so much of a fabric literally a fabric of our lives. martha, if you can still hear us, we've only got about a minute or two. i want to ask about what people are doing today. as they get ready to listen. are they going to have watch parties? i'm curious about the first time you see a king talk. >> martha: i think there's going to be in a norma's interest in hearing charles' speech today and i think douglas is exactly right. she was the flag of this nation. the human embodiment of the culture and the pride in the tradition of the country.

and charles steps into those shoes shortly and we'll all be watching. >> harris: martha, thank you very much. we'll see you a little bit later today as well after the speech, i'm certain. it has been more than 70 years. many people have never known a different monarch in the u.k. the 14 commonwealth realms. around the world, we haven't known anyone else to lead that nation with such stability, as douglas has talked about. that is key because the world is ever-changing. we we have a lot of enemies. our friends really matter more than ever. we hope and pray the current administration and those to come in this country really get that. and really are solid with how we treat our friends. i say that. i want to give you just the last ten seconds. >> douglas: it's worth remembering that the queen was among other things a great friend of the american people. she really loved this country. if you want to read anything she

said in particular, reread the message sent to the american people after 9/11. it was red at st. thomas cathedral. she said i'm with you in your grief. it's the price we pay for love. >> harris: moments from now king now king charles iii will speak from the now from king charles iii, set to make his first address to the world since the death of his mother, queen elizabeth yesterday at the age of 96. hello, welcome, everyone, i'm sandra smith. hi, john. >> john: john roberts in washington, and monitoring a service of prayer and reflection to be held at st. paul's cathedral immediately following the address, this as the new king prepares to take on the legacy of his mother.

>> sandra: duncan larcomb, former royal editor of "the sun" will be here sharing thoughts in moments. >> john: and jonathan hunt on the ground outside buckingham palace. >> sandra: martha, welcome to you, what has struck so many of us, the first full day the country has had to react to the death of the queen, the immense show of support for the family and for now the new king, charles, about to speak. >> martha: we are about to hear from the former prince charles, now king charles iii, we understand he prerecorded the speech earlier when he arrived at buckingham palace, and that makes my mind go back to record by king george vi, addresses to the nation during world war ii, the annual christmas address, statement after the death of

diana, a very fraught time, and also her covid speech. so, he addresses the nation at a time when they are in deep grief and he has to make an effort to fill that hole, to give people a sense of what the future looks like. one of the things queen elizabeth talked about at the jubilee back in june was that she was hopeful and optimistic about the future and hearing that from the then 96-year-old queen was a very bright spot. she was telling people i won't be here forever, essentially, but i feel very confident and optimistic about the future, and i remember seeing on the balcony that day queen elizabeth next to her, then prince charles and his wife, camilla, then the duke and dutchness of cornwall -- >> john: sorry to interrupt, the prince -- rather the king is speaking. >> my beloved mother was an inspiration and example to me an