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is now facing fears backlash and charges of hypocrisy over her move to divert some of those illegal immigrants to republican run suburb. and kamala harris seems to be gaslighting the nation because she insists the boy to is secure and blames any problems on the e trump administration. watch. >> would you call the border secure? >> it's secure, but we have a broken immigration system, particularly the last four years before he came in, and needs to be fixed. >> we have two meal and crossing for the first time ever you are confident the border is secure? >> we have a secure border in that it is a priority for any nation, including ours and our administration. but there are still a lot of problems that we are trying to fix, given the deterioration that happened over the last four years. >> emily: kayleigh, what a tired talking points.

what an old resurrected talking point from her. they've been in office almost two years now and she's still blaming the trump administration and talking about the broken system that she has done nothing to fix. >> kayleigh: and what a total insult to the american citizen. saying the border is secure as she dusted, it's like being in the middle of a category five hurricane. the wind is whipping around you, the rain is on your face, the skies pitch black, but you say it's sunny out. we know it's not. we know we are in the middle of the raging hurricane. ask yourself, does this sound secure to use it when you have 2 million encounters in this fiscal year? that's two times last demonstration. with fentanyl pouring across the southern border. "the wall street journal" explosive piece we went through two weeks ago, how to kill mexican drug cartels came to dominate the american fentanyl supply. it's coming from mexico. migrant deaths, that was double the last administration, not to mention the terror watch list

where we have nearly 60 people who have crossed to her on the watch list. does this sound security you? i do not think so. we are in a hurricane right now. it is not sunny out and the american voter will have their die to cast on this issue. >> emily: n, harris, we've talked so much about that hurricane absolutely destroying all those towns in texas and arizona and along the border, including other communities. we are getting up to 1400 migrants a day, he says. they are sleeping on the streets. he says we simply do not have the space. and then juxtapose that with the mayor in the republican lab stomach led suburb of chicago, he says there must be vacant hotel rooms. that's hundreds of people in a city of millions. the mayor says, why are they sending them out to my suburb? you have to wonder. >> harris: not just sending them to the suburbs, but doing what democrats have done surreptitiously all along, putting them on night flights.

remember when they were doing that? i was on the air with senator blackburn one day and she said people are showing up on the tarmac at night. then we got the video. this has been a short-lived administration. it hasn't been four years and all of this is happening. but when you talk about the el paso mayor, let's talk about el paso as a predominately democrat-led city. they are sending buses of people to new york city now. how are they even going to defend going against their own party? they know they have to because they won't get the money they need. which, by the way, is our money. the american public has already said, we don't want to our conscience that people are getting hurt. and dying to get here. you've got to figure this out. today, bill melugin went a step further. because i can't wait to talk to one of those democrats down in el paso. and i'm sure i'm absolutely certain that henry cuellar, a blue dog democrat in the state of texas, probably has a few

things fresh to say, too. but the venezuelan flag planted, did you hear about that? with bill melugin as people are coming through that fenced area. and i said, what does that mean when they do that? he says, i don't know. i'm going to chase that down. we are a sovereign nation. we should act like one so people don't get it confused. >> emily: i wish they had the strength and articulation. we've been talking about this, and yet the chicago mayor has the nerve to call into question the faith of some of those texas leaders. let's take a watch. >> he professes to be a christian. this is not the christianity and the teachings of the bible that i know. i think religious leaders all across the country are standing up and denouncing exactly this.

>> so what is the difference between what she is doing, sending these migrants from her city, which has the capacity to handle it, mind you -- it's a city with millions upon millions of people -- to this tiny enclave in illinois that has a few hotels? literally, she is calling someone unchristian. it's not. you're trying to find the best place for these individuals and trying to prove a point. let's eliminate this lack of christianity thing. second, your interview, your entire 11:00 a.m. hour -- i'm doing a pitch for your show. [laughter] >> harris: thank you! >> todd: a need to be priority viewing for anyone running on the republican side. federal, state, and local. the points with regard to el paso shows that the democrats are so hypocritical on this entire thing. they don't have a leg to stand on. if they did, they would be as vociferous with regard to el paso, with regard to what lori lightfoot is doing, yet crickets when that happens. they send people to the

interior, to cities that call themselves think three cities, mind you, and all of a sudden it's up in arms. it's hypocritical. republicans need to watch their show. re-rack it and get their talking point to the next two months. >> harris: you are going to be my screen saver. [laughter] >> todd: i'm not even my wife's' st. dominic screen saver so that's a beautiful sentiment, thank you. >> lili: first of all, i'm an immigrant and took me ten years to become a lawful u.s. citizen. so there is a process. it's a long one. when you watch what happens, which is a humanitarian crisis, it broke my heart. i saw over 150,000 kids have come to the united states on their own. that is another side of the story that is being aggravated by policies that make it seem as if it's easy to come across the border. so we are actually promoting the cartels, the coyotes, all the money funding a lot of the drug issues we are seeing, because when you remove the remaining

mexico policy, which was something the biden administration did right away, lets us overturn what prompted and the migrant protocols, all of the sudden that sends the message that it's okay to come, and you remain in the u.s. with no tracking and therefore promote this pouring in of immigrants. by the way, i'm from columbia. venezuela is our neighboring country. that flag on american soil is terrifying. it basically describes and celebrates what socialism is, what communism is, and the very reason we want to celebrate the freedoms of this country. i'm telling you it's a humanitarian crisis, laws for politicking purposes overturn right away because we want to go against what trump established, it's now backfired. to assume there is no crisis, that means our vice president has not been to the border. i have, both on the mcallen side and the reynosa side, and it's terrifying. it's broken, and easy to say don't send them to my city when texas has been paying about

$850 million a year for migrants and caring for them. how about spreading the fair share of caring for that cost if we talk about equity? so it's a double standard, and just as an immigrant, it breaks my heart. >> harris: lili, that is such an excellent point when you say fair share. that's part of the nomenclature, the verbal weaponry. >> lili: that's the weaponry. >> harris: that's what they use when it comes all sorts of things like taxes. why can't you pay your fair share? or this or that. but when you talk about being on both sides, seeing both sides, that's really critical. >> lili: it is. and when it's my fair share of upfronting the cost for hosting those migrants, all of a sudden it's selective inclusion. and it seems like, just between us on the couch, we have traveled and represented more, we have talked about more, we have aggregated more specificity than our bor border czar.

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same places where the polls overestimated biden in 2020, and clinton in 2016. you see a consistent link between democrat strength today and polling error two years ago. it raises the possibility that the apparent democrat strength in wisconsin and elsewhere is a mirage, an artifact of persistent and unadjusted biases in survey research." this is a very smart piece. i encourage everyone to read it. he lays it out in charts and it's fascinating to see how the polls were so wrong in 2016, 2020, and perhaps today. he's really smart statistician in that regard. but he points at wisconsin, here's a poll that shows mandela bonds ahead of her ron johnson, the incumbent. but he said in 2020 biden ran ahead by eight points where he should have been, so if the polling is wrong in 2020, ron johnson is looking good. >> harris: and there is something else going on that we

can't calculate percentagewise in the polling. so you have to actually ask people this question when they go to vote. how much does it matter that your life now is so different than it was when he was in office? and does not factor into a generic democrat ballot? i democrats running ahead because everybody likes their local politics? is it just a generic that you like the brand of democrat better? but if you drill down on that, who makes your life better in the short term? i wonder what the answer would look like then. those are the questions and those are the answers that republicans can lean in hard on. while the other side is vilifying it and calling it semi fascists and mega and trumpies and everyone else, the president of the united states, the his words. while they do that, republicans can lean in with, how is your life better right now? that will eventually show up in the polling. we only have 57 days.

the last of primaries are in new hampshire tomorrow. so the window is tightening, but it's interesting. >> kayleigh: it is interesting. emily, we have the answer to that, if your life is better. we look at the top issues, we hear a lot about dobbs and the abortion decision but that doesn't necessarily rank among top issues. its economy, gun policy, violent crime, and health care. number one being economy. >> emily: that's right, because almost 7 out of 10 americans are worried that their cost-of-living is more expensive than what they are making. that they cannot keep up with their lifestyle because of the value of the dollar plummeting because of inflation, which we know is a horrible attack on the working class. there was an article where he talked about what larry fink has said. he's no g.o.p. talking head by any means. he is always a democratic contender for treasury secretary and the ceo of black rock, the world's largest investment firm.

he was sounding the alarm on the economic harm being done in d.c. he said the fed's job of fighting inflation or attempting to engineer what they continue to call a soft landing, he said it's impossible. he says it's an irreconcilable disconnect between what the white house is doing and what jerome powell's inflation-fighting mandate is. he said the white house is baking into the equation a really deep recession. this was charlie's point, that when you've lost larry fink, i don't know who is next. at some point they will be caught up. to your point, if people are voting with their gut and pocketbook and the family first, and -- >> kayleigh: and larry summers is a liberal economist, too. i just want to zone entities, these are toss-up seats, and republicans have five, democrats have five. florida, north carolina, ohio, pennsylvania, new hampshire, arizona, georgia, nevada. he says, that say republicans don't get pennsylvania. i argue they likely could with

not a great candidate. and let's say you don't get pennsylvania, you just need two. by his analysis, within a 1-point margin is the state of georgia and the state of nevada. in other words, the senate not so unattainable if the polling is not there. >> todd: well, i've heard a number of republican strategists come out over the course of the last two months when the polling has one and the democrats 'savior and said, should we be trusting the polls? has recent history told us anything? polls are often used by mainstream media and the left, i.e. one in the same, to suppress turnout. could that be evening here? you didn't hear a number of these prognosticators on the right say that could be happening again, because it is a midterm, not a presidential election. donald trump is not on the ballot this year. some may say he is on there in spirit. >> harris: both presidents are, right? >> todd: behalf to keep in mind, could this be suppressing the vote? that's a concern on the right.

this is in "the new york times." it's not a conservative bastion of publication. but it's interesting nonetheless. >> kayleigh: another interesting point, axios points out that new hampshire democrats are running away from joe biden. they have the primary tomorrow. as harris mentioned, he is maggie hassan, the senator. "i will continue to stand up to the administration on the issue of securing the border. i don't support canceling all student loan debt." then you have chris pappas who is a democrat, "the president has to be careful not to paint with too brought a brush. the divisive rhetoric all around is poisonous to our democracy." these are democrats. >> lili: are you sure he's not campaigning for a conservative somewhere? [laughter] i think with your own party starts alarming on all angles, not just that the polls are wrong, but be careful with the top issues, because yes, people will be voting with their kitchen table issues. we are here analyzing polls and

surveys, but the average american is analyzing how much i can afford this week, if gas is going up or down, and if my kids are getting a good education. that's going to be the lever. if we get back to those fundamentals with the economy and inflation being the top issue, and take some of that coloring around, and the blame, i think -- i believe that american families will be voting with that common sense agenda. we run big data analytics and the firm that i owned. we don't do polls and political stuff, but we scrape the world wide web to look at the sentiment of people. guess what? over and over again we get to confirm the opposite of what surveys say. this week, 70% of americans actually disapproved -- hispanic american s, let me be specific -- they disapprove this current administration. >> harris: it's interesting. lili, you make the point, and it

piggybackeds off of what you are saying -- that will be voter intensity that gets it. who intensifies the right more than the president right now? who drives more people to the polls for republicans? unfortunately -- i mean, it really should be the policies, but, boy, is he giving them a big shovel of help. >> kayleigh: at my right-wing friends don't like to talk to pollsters. vice president harris is bashing the supreme court and questioning its integrity after the overturn of roe v. wade, but now chief justice roberts is firing back at the critics of the court's legitimacy. that's next. ving♪ ♪ so to help you remember that liberty mutual customizes your home insurance, here's a pool party. ♪ good times. insurance! ♪ only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

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court overturning roe v. wade. let's look together. >> i think this is an activist court. we had an established right for almost half a century, which is the right of women to make decisions about their own body, as an extension of what we have decided to be the privacy rights to which all people are entitled. in this court took that constitutional right away. and we are suffering as a nation because of it. that causes me great concern about the integrity of the court overall. >> harris: well, then we saw, in his first appearance since that decision, justice roberts. here's a quote. "people can say what they want. sadly because people disagree with an opinion is not a basis for questioning the legitimacy

of the court. if the court doesn't retain its legitimate function of interpreting the constitution, i'm not sure who would take up that mantle. we don't want the political branches telling what the law is, and you don't want public opinion to be the guide of what the appropriate decision is." wow. what do you say? >> todd: thank goodness he said that, because of all the things kamala harris has said over the last two years, that is the most egregious and ridiculous. two points on this. you remember law school, ladies. the socratic method, law is a robust exchange of ideas, oftentimes in disagreement, to arrive at a solution. when you disagree, that is not the end of the republic. that's the way it is supposed to work. so for her to say that, a former attorney general, mind you, is insane. secondarily, you always hear the democrats say, "threat to democracy, threat to democracy!" how does calling into question

the legitimacy of one of the three branches of government help democracy? that's a real threat. if we don't have a supreme court people believe is legitimate, we are done. >> harris: what i hear you saying is it's not the end of democracy, its proof of life. >> harris: 100%. that's the way it's supposed to work. >> harris: emily? >> emily: the vice president should be the first person, along with the president, that respects the separation of powers. sheba should be the first to quell aggression, not to stoke the fire. the fact that it's coming from her lips, from a former attorney general and district attorney you think would understand that the decision was actually legally sound, you would think she'd be the first person to see the analogy behind what chief justice roberts talked about, not bowing to public pressure and not telling the court how to rule, with bounty board of education. that's exactly what happened then. and yet the court stood firm, just like it did for the same legal reasoning. the fact she called it a constitutional right to me is really shocking given that we are supposed to accept that she is an attorney, but the fact

that it's coming from the lips of my vice president is absolutely abhorrent. it's on acceptable. >> harris: lili? >> lili: it is dangerous to go this path, especially because of who she is. put politics aside, or even change the name. what it says to american people in a time where you're looking for unity, for some sort of stability and clarity, and to point fingers and analyze and try to label the court, at this time when the disapproval rating for any institution is at the lowest -- gallup says it's been since 1979 that they've seen something this low -- it does the opposite from what the american people are looking for. it's scary, and again, there's a reason why. in elementary school we learned that branches have a job and each of them stay in their lane, and this is scary territory when the vice president sounds more like a political analyst with

opinions than holding the big office that she holds. >> emily: a verbal activist. and in light of a murder charge on a justice, it's ridiculous. >> harris: but they don't speak of that. i don't know if they recognize it. we don't know what they're thinking. kayleigh, she missed an opportunity as the nation's first vice president to say, i may not agree with every woman out there, but i sure do value their perspectives. she could be the one to say that next time we have conversations about roe v. wade or anything at such a high-profile level, let's make sure we have as many women who think differently from each other at the table. can you imagine? but then people would get her confuse with margaret thatcher. they wouldn't know who she was if she did that. but what a missed opportunity. >> kayleigh: she only cares about the far left so shall never say anything conciliatory like that. do you expect this from aoc who last week vanity fair said the supreme court will be an impediment to her if she became

president. she acquiesced with that. you expect it from aoc and not from kamala harris. she went on to question another institutional hallmark, the filibuster. in the same interview she said she can't wait to get rid of it, and she called it archaic. when chuck todd said, "but you are against getting rid of the filibuster in 2017," she said, "when i won --" and quickly corrected herself, "when we won, man joe biden." i'm paraphrasing. not true, fact-check. in georgia there was increased minority turnout after they passed a voter integrity law. listen to what she says, essentially abolish the filibuster. the supreme court is in question, the institutions are the problem. >> harris: i want to go back to "i won." biden has called to the present more than once. september 11th families say they want justice, not only closure. and they are outraged at reports that some of the terrorists behind the deadly attacks may

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♪ ♪ >> kayleigh: welcome back. lead is marked 20 1 years since the 9/11 terror attacks, and other are new calls for justice, this time coming from the families of the victim. here's why -- the principal architect of the attack, khalid sheik mohammad, and other contributors, have still not face trial. there are reports that prosecutors are considering plea deal that would take the death penalty off the table. the families who lost loved ones in the attacks are furious at this possibility. >> i was outraged. >> the families are outraged and they don't want closure, they want justice. >> i will not have closure as long as there is any possibility for some future president to commute their sentences or trade them away. >> kayleigh: that was a family

member of a pilot who died that day. emily, i saw the picture of the man falling from the world trade center, the one we have all seen, and you imagine the horror and the pain of his family. and then in the next tweet i see this new at about khalid sheikh mohammed his coconspirators. how is this justice for americans who received the harshest penalties in the forms of torture? >> emily: it's not justice. none of this has been, frankly. almost ten years after the arraignment, 21 years after this unspeakable tragedy, and we have yet to have a trial date set? it's been a perfect storm of legal mumbo-jumbo and things, so the pretrial proceedings have been really huge in this case, with a lot of detailing and centering around the alleged use of torture to extract evidence from these prisoners, and their treatment, as well as massive covid restrictions at guantanamo bay, so it set things back, including the judge at the time abruptly retiring and leaving service. so there has been a new judge. one thing after another.

bottom line, that's why the family members and all americans globally, anyone on the side of justice, sees this as painful. i note as well that president biden, while refusing to take a position on this actual case even though his vice president likes to weigh in on roe v. wade, in other cases, they have stayed quiet except to say that they want get to gitmoo closed. to the tune of $2 million per prisoners what we are paying. when our average for other high-risk prisoners like colorado is $78,000. so just know that every day that goes by, you are paying for them to enjoy life and liberty and freedoms, just within a wall, and that there's no sense of justice anytime soon because there's not even trial date set. >> kayleigh: that's an important point, the biden administration won't take a position on this. you'd think that if the president puts his weight behind the death penalty, it can make a difference. >> this is not a partisan issue,

it's an american issue, and that horrific day -- i walked the streets of new york that week right after 9/11. those are memories that will forever be in my mind. i did not lose anybody. my relatives made it. however, this is screaming to the world about the potential weakness of the greatest nation in the world. so what message does this send? of course it is tragic for the families, it is painful. there is nothing that is going to bring their relatives back. but at a moment where we have had some missteps in the global stage -- right? afghanistan, check. here we go. potentially letting these guys go, or to have a bargaining deal so they don't face the death penalty for killing 3,000 americans, that puts everything in question. and our sovereignty as a nation and the world stage, i'm very concerned, and it aches me, especially having been a

new yorker right here walking the streets that exact same week. >> kayleigh: it's horrifying, todd. and yet congress has barred the guantanamo prisoners from coming to u.s. soil. the biden administration says they don't want it. what happens to the 38 prisoners there with life sentences as what they get? >> todd: that's a great question, but i want to go back to this overall point on the death penalty. if this is not the case for the death penalty, the murder of thousands of americans, then what is? kayleigh, that may be the point. this could be the push to eliminate the death penalty. hear me out on this, if a defense attorney looks and says, "hey, you didn't give the death penalty to the guy who killed 3,000 americans, why are you going to give it to my client?" that can be part of an overall push and that is an underlying thing that is extremely concerning to me about what we have seen, not the least of which is a common, these parents and families don't want closure, they want justice.

and they are not getting it and that is sad. >> harris: i know i can't speak for every military family out there, but i will speak for mine. i'm truly sorry to all of them that we as a sovereign nation can't continue to act like one. that's the second time this hour that i have said that. it's about the border, it's about this issue. if we don't know what justice looks like when americans are killed, are we then -- he put it so beautifully, lili -- rb then really a sovereign nation? do we really love the citizens of this great nation? we have a president who hates at least half of them. how do we know? because he keeps telling us. so what about those military families? the families whose children went to war because of what happened, who willingly went and gave their lives, after we were hit? they will never be the same. those families who lost their children, and those men and women who are forever damaged

from serving that war. what do we say to them when we say we will make a deal for these guys who took more than 3,000 lives of americans in this country? on american soil? what do we say to those military families? we gave up? we got tired? we like liberalism in our justice system better than we love you? i'm dying to know. >> emily: that's what's interesting, this contrast. i think the message that we have sent -- somehow they were able to get the death penalty. we took them out. but we don't in our own justice system, and for some reason the government was okay with sacrificing our own americans in retribution, but not these five. >> harris: we do have king charles iii, we understand, arriving at the scottish parliament. we knew that was going to be part of his day today. this follows the thanksgiving church service for queen elizabeth the second earlier today. and we knew that there were some

things that were going to be on the kings county. you see he is joined there by the queen consort, camilla. he left to go to holyroodhouse, the permanent residence of the royal family in scotland. she passed away there, so all this procession for the many days of recognizing her after her death, all of this posthumous procession, begins in scotland and began a few hours ago with her casket arriving at the church. so now the day continues, and the king will meet with the heads of state they are, in scotland, in terms of the ministers, and then of course he arrives at scottish parliament. think about what's going on in the wider u.k. right now. we talk about inflation and how bad it is here, and it is, there's nothing to mitigate it

right now, but it is hugely a problem they are in a country or a territory that is so much smaller than ours. it's cooking way above 10% on most days. so the parliaments of the commonwealths and the u.k. are looking at a situation of having to give some really hard news to their own people. we know that the king doesn't get political, but it's hard to believe that he wouldn't hear about that economic suffering even at this time. so these meetings are important. he will get an official motion of condolence here at the scottish parliament. no doubt they will talk some business, as well. so we wanted to show you this before it gets started and bring in our own martha maccallum, anchor of "the story." as todd piro has put it before, as i've heard you say, she is our resident british royalty. although she is american trade [laughter] she knows all things british. and, martha, this is a big moment, this motion of

condolence. she's laughing at me. >> martha: it's great to be with you, harris, and everybody. it's been fascinating to watch everything play out today. what we have been witnessing are pieces of history that haven't happened in an extremely long time, since the passing of king george vi and beginning of elizabeth's reign. but what you see are two parts. the new king charles iii traveling the realm, establishing himself, receiving the condolences from each of these parliaments. so he is in scotland today because he was there for the service of thanksgiving. he and his siblings walked behind the casket today. it was very moving, from up the royal mile. they went from holyroodhouse, the residency of the royal family in edinburgh, the capital of scotland, all of it up to saint giles cathedral, an amazing historic cathedral. these places were built in the 1200s, the 1300s. an astonishing amount of history

we have seen unfold. but he's also excepting the condolences of the different parts of the united kingdom. he will travel to wales, to cardiff, he will travel to belfast, ireland, as well, for the same kind of purpose. to begin the transition to a new king, a new rain, while accepting the condolences of these organizations. and in scotland he is reconfirming his belief in the church of scotland, the presbyterian church of scotland, as well as their role in the united kingdom. remember, they have been a lot of skirmishes -- that might be too like a word -- but a lot of battles between scotland and england in terms of keeping scotland in the fold. >> harris: we tried to find the right terms in these moments, because we would love to pitch toward peace as that nation and that territory and the commonwealth realms all say goodbye to the queen.

the fact of the matter is, as you point out, it's been a violent and bumpy road, and politically speaking it could be bumpy for the monarchy moving ahead, as you are hearing about some of the caribbean islands maybe reconsidering whether or not they want to have the kind of relationship they currently do with the monarchy, or if they want to break and have their own republic. so there is a lot ahead for king charles iii. his mother presided over some loss of the commonwealth realms, but this is present day, 2022. it's not necessarily post any significant time we have shared as a world in history, like world war ii, although some would argue maybe the pandemic brought us together in that same similar very negative way. >> martha: that's true. kate and william had a very difficult trip to the caribbean where they were confronted a few times with islands saying they were ready to break away.

i did an interview just a moment ago, actually, with former prime minister david cameron, which will air tonight. he really explains the difference between moving out of the commonwealth and becoming a republic. so whether or not you're going to recognize the queen, and now the king, as your head of state, or he used a part of that commonwealth, a very strong organization of states which encompasses about a fifth of the world. all of that is to be determined in time, and the queen never once witnessed or attended the bringing down of the british flag in any one of those breakaway parts of the realm. so it's an important moment, and charles has his work cut out for him in terms of holding those parts of the realm together. >> emily: martha, it's emily. just checking in on our ongoing discussion about the public perception of king charles iii, and the queen consort. can you speak to how they are being received and what that public tenor is like?

you have your finger on the pulse over there. >> martha: i think it has been enormously gracious. you talk to people on the street, they say, "we love charles, we are thrilled he's the king now." you look at parliament standing up and giving him their full support. i think most people -- there are definitely republicans and antimonarchists in the united kingdom, no doubt about that -- but most people adored the queen. so even when they separate the queen from their feelings about whether or not they should be monarchy, i think overwhelmingly you see a lot of support. they want him to provide that stable bridge between queen elizabeth and, ultimately, prince william, when he and his wife, kate, who are extraordinary popular, when they step up and take over. so i think they want him to succeed, and they are embracing him in a big way. >> kayleigh: hey, martha -- it's kayleigh. we know the queen tomorrow will be flown to london.

i read in the daily mail that they are expecting 750,000 mourners. when you add to that the number of people who will come here to mourn the screen , hundreds of thousands of people honoring this woman who reigned for 70 years. what is it say about her character and tenor and impact on the country to have that kind of response? >> martha: well, it is extraordinary, and i've said it a lot, but i think it bears repeating. try in your mind to think of anyone else in the world who would garner that kind of response, that outpouring of the 750,000 people who want to come and pay their respects. there isn't anyone who i can think of. maybe you can take of someone who would even be a close second in the world today. i think one of the reasons, everyone says she has so much integrity, she put the country before herself, absolutely. but it's because she compiled a

lifelong record of figuring out how to do the right thing, figuring out how to bring people together, figuring out how to confront difficult situations, and overcome them with grace and courage. you think about what happened after diana died, that was probably her deepest step, and she worked on a way to reconcile it and to bring people back together, by recognizing the grief they were feeling and understanding that tradition didn't necessarily dictate the kind of funeral that diana got, that it was necessary. it was all those actions over 70 years of a lifetime and being supportive of people and her family and in her government. i hear her story after of people saying, i said i was going to make this banner to celebrate something in scotland, and she invited us to tea. she tried to treat everyone the same, and people's interactions with her stayed within the rest of her life. it's a lifetime of decisions and

interactions that i think that the reputation that ends up having 750,000 people who want that moment to pay their respects. >> harris: real quickly, i mentioned todd piro was on the quote down that couch. you have a question? >> todd: i know it was a tough call to send you over me because i'm such a royal expert myself. [laughter] it was tough to figure that out. >> martha: brutal! [laughter] >> todd: all joking aside, i look at this through the lens of politics, through the lens of the world. my question for you, my thought, how is liz truss handling the last six days? all the attention on charles, rightly so, it's his kingdom now, but liz truss has only been in his office for a heartbeat at this point. how is she handling what has been an insane week for her? >> martha: well, the week is not all about the prime minister, that's for sure. she may welcome that. it might give her a little time to get her feet underneath her.

and i think she will never forget that the queen's last duty -- the queen worked until the last minute, and that was her last duty, when she accepted and gave the invitation to form a government to liz truss, the new pay minister , and no doubt, she will treasure it for the rest of her life. she's getting her feet under her, she has an enormous amount to deal with, as you were just talking about. very high inflation, cost of living, even steeper here than it is back in the united states. involvement in the ukraine war, a long list of grievances that will be on her plate, and no doubt she will be glad to have those weekly meetings with prince charles and have an ear of wisdom, because he's been around a long time, too, and watched his mother closely, to help guide and advise her. these tough decisions that she has to make, todd. >> harris: that's a really good point. we want to be delicate about people's age's, but it is certainly something we talked about in our own leadership here in the united states. charles thomas king charles iii

will be 74 in his next birthday, which is not that far off. he has been at his mother's side, but no one would ever say in this instance that he is the new generation, because he wouldn't be. in looking at this and wondering, as he talks about maybe putting aside buckingham palace and having it open more to the public, what have you picked up? you have been there so many times before, so not this most recent trip, martha. and your times they are, what have you picked up that people really year and for? and we can get into the commonwealth realms and all of that, they are a dis, but they are in the u.k., from charles iii and where they take the monarchy in the future. do they want it to shrink? what did they want? >> martha: i don't think most people wanted to shrink, honestly. i think they want to see quite a bit of presence from the royal family to fill this void that is left. this person has been such a constant in their lives, there has never been another queen for

most people -- and of the monarch, i should say -- for most people who live in the united kingdom. so there's going to be a real need to step into that void and provide that kind of stability, tradition. these things are very important. you can't bump into a person on the street in the united kingdom you can't immediately start telling you about the history of the building you're standing next to and why you should care about it. these things are extraordinarily important to brits, and charles is a perfect bridge between queen elizabeth. it's all about william and kate, and the new prince and prin princess of wales. you will see more of them and i think they'll be helping the king every step of the way. in terms of slimming down the monarchy, it's kind of slammed itself down. harry and meghan live in california, prince andrew was wearing a suit today as he walked up the mile because he is not given the grace to wear his uniform anymore because of everything that has gone on there. so the monarchy is a little

slimmer than it used to be, and you will see other people step up. edward and sophie, very well-liked. i think you will see a huge presence of the next generation of this family in order to kind of fill that hunger, for that kind of royal fix. >> harris: i want everyone to know, on the left of your screen is scottish parliament, and they are giving condolences now. it is official condolences, the motion to charles, king the third. we are going to stay with this coverage, kayleigh. >> kayleigh: to that end might come in the future monarchy, brits if you look at it with optimism when you see the way that william and kate are loved. the way they've stepped in pharaohs with such class and dignity, martha. then we had that moment yesterday where you two brothers coming together. it was a hope of all of us they would be family unity during these tragic times. how important was that moment, to see these brothers

>> i think it was really surprising, actually, i don't think anybody anticipated it would happen and i'm told there were text messages that went back and forth. william considered the whole thing and felt it would be a nice thing for people outside of windsor to see them all together and i think there was a very positive response to it. i don't think too many people believe the riff has healed and life goes on and see william and harry buddying it up and harry in the supportive role to his brother that i think was always intended. that is pretty broken. he's coming out with a book in the winter and the suggestion is that that book takes some swipes at camilla, now the queen consort. whether or not that part stays in the book, whether or not there were concessions made, you know, i think that if harry and meghan want to be in the fold,

they have to consider what kind of changes they might want to make, or things they might want to say or do to bridge that gap. it's been a painful divide, to be sure. >> i guess, you know, maybe i'm too basic, somebody is going to have to explain to me why that sort of warfare is anything but soul polluting and something the queen would not put up with. if we start to see more of that, that will be another true indication of, you know, post death behavior that no one could have seen coming, perhaps. martha, your last quick words? >> well, you know what, when they were made prince and princess of wales they came into an enormous amount of money. with that comes territory, properties around the united kingdom, you know, that is not the situation that harry and meghan are in right now and you

know, that's just one element, obviously. but you know, the story goes back to the fact that reportedly william basically told harry to slow down with meghan, he should not rush into this relationship and i think that's what set it on such a difficult course. but yeah -- i'm sure the queen would love it if they could mend fences. >> martha is joining us from across the pond with excellent reporting as always. >> john: john roberts here with sandra smith as we watch what's going on in the scottish parliament, delivering a message of condolence, and hear from the labor leader as well as the conservative leader and then king charles iii will give a response to the message of condolence, not expected to last too long in length, but part of the ceremonies and