>> sandra: vladimir putin suffering a humiliating setback on the battlefield giving new hope to ukraine. but the russian ruler is about to score a symbolic victory on the global stage. >> john: china's president leaving his communist country the first time in years as he and putin look to join forces. team up with the who's who of the world's worst. >> sandra: and not just russia and china, either. cozy with iran and north korea as well, and with the west

seemingly more divided than ever, is there a new axis of evil on thrise? i'm sandra smith in new york. hi, john. >> john: good to start the week off with you. congressman darryl issa just back from a trip to taiwan, tensions with china are the highest point in a generation. >> sandra: begin new at 2:00 with the crisis on our own shores, this is a fox news alert. and it is just eight weeks now from the midterm he thinks loos and a problem across the country, crime, leading candidate for mayor in the second largest city said she felt unsafe, felt safe in los angeles, shatter this weekend when a thief broke into her home and stole two of her handguns. >> john: the same time, this weekend in memphis, disturbing new information about the accused gunman in last week's

deadly shooting spree, huge questions why he was not locked up to begin with. >> sandra: even as the democratic mayor of memphis complains about repeat offside offenders, some leaders are not learning the lessons of progressive crime policies gone wrong. in illinois, a sheriff said the state gets set to end cash bail, means more criminals will be set free instead of jail. rafael mangual on why some cities and states are not getting the message. >> john: charles watson on the mayhem in memphis and then the story about what's about to happen in illinois. kick things off with william, live in our los angeles newsroom. why does this story have people asking so many questions? >> several reasons, john. karen bass says the u.s. suffers from epidemic of gun violence and she's voted many times to restrict gun sales and yet she

owned at least two guns herself. secondly, bass told voters she feels safe in los angeles. why need a gun for protection? here she is in a recent debate. >> do you feel safe walking in los angeles? >> i do feel safe. i would say a ten, i feel safe but i understand a lot of people around the city do not feel safe and i respect that. >> third, the campaign says the thief took handguns but left other valuable, electronics and cash. that's odd since most thieves want anything they can easily fence. jewelry or electronics. the campaign also claims the guns were "safely and securely stored" in a lock box, yet the thief apparently walked out with both weapons. lapd says the burglary happened friday, suspect, 200 pound hispanic male, the bass camp

declined to give the make and model, but that they were legally obtained handguns. gun store, family, friend, and prior to 1998 when the background checks were man do tory. earlier bass said she learned to fire a gun in the late 1970s as a supporter of the castro revolution in cuba. she may feel safe in l.a., many others do not. robbery up 17%, burglary you have 15%, violent crime 5%. she leads the mayor's race by double digits. >> john: fewer and fewer people feeling safe every day. william, thank you. >> sandra: and now memphis, a man accused of killing four people during an hours' long rampage. charles watson, we are learning a lot more for this guy's past. what do we know? >> yeah, hey, good afternoon, sandra. we are learning he has a serious

criminal history, dating back to when he was a minor, in 2020, allegedly shot two and almost injured a third. he was charged with two counts of attempted first-degree murder and gang-related assault involving a firearm but those charges were reduced to just felony aggravated assault after kelly took a plea deal. he was sentenced to three years in prison but according to court records, he served just 11 months before he was released back in march. this of course preceded kelly's alleged shooting spree in memphis during which police say he first shot a childhood friend, striking him once in the head after kelly asked to speak with him, the victim privately in a friend's driveway. you can see a bullet hole nearby in a window at the home where this alleged shooting took place. the suspect's rampage then picked up hours later with another six people shot, three of them fatally. the the hours' long ordeal came

to an end after police say kelly crashed the stolen vehicle he was in and was taken into custody. shelby county district attorney said the office is working this case and takes repeat offenders seriously. >> it merits a strong response, that's the kind of response we will get from this district attorney's office. we understand how the public feels and we want to reassure the people we in law enforcement are working around the clock on these cases to prevent things like this from happening in the future. >> so kelly did appear in court on friday where he was arraigned on a single count of second-degree murder. prosecutors office said we should expect more charges to be brought against kelly in this case. he is expected back in court in memphis tomorrow morning, sandra and john. we'll be looking to see if those additional murder charges are added in court. guys. >> sandra: we will indeed. charles watson live from

atlanta, thank you. >> john: team coverage continues in illinois where people are bracing for the end of cash bail. mike tobin live in chicago with the latest. mike. >> illinois is the first state in the nation to end cash bail, it goes into effect with the first of the year and essentially means that people will be released from jail with a promise that they show up in court for their trial. the law that was passed was called the safety act, passed with minimal debate in the illinois legislature. the author says this means poor people and rich offenders will be treated equally, if prosecutors and the court determine a suspect is eligible for bail that means he's not a threat. >> you've been denied a bond because you are dangerous. but if you have a bond we are saying you are not dangerous, we are going to keep you in bail because you are poor. >> critics are ending cash bail point out more than low level

offenders will be released from jail. drug offenses, burglary, arson, robbery, kidnapping suspects will be eligible to walk out of jail, they can reoffend and harass witnesses. >> abolishes cash bail for almost every offense, including robbery, aggravated fleeing and eluding, harassing a public official. >> carjackings alone, cook county, sees five a day. more than 800 in chicago this year. only 20% of the suspects have been caught. critics say the end of cash bail says the 20% will be able to walk back on the street with the ability to reoffend. john. >> john: and make as we saw from the district attorney in yellow county, california, 70% of people who are let out with no cash bail reoffended. see what happens there in

chicago. i'll tell you this, they can't deal with a whole lot more crime than they already have. >> sandra: rafael mangual, author of "criminal injustice," what the push for decarseration and depolicing is wrong and who it hurts the most. you see what's going on in illinois, and good to have you on the set. the law as mike tobin just noted, it passed with very little debate in illinois where they are already surging, dealing with surging crime. this arguably will only make matters worse. why? >> i think that's exactly right. because you know, there is something to the critique of the heavy reliance on cash bail that the left makes, this idea that dangerous but wealthy defendants buy their freedom but poor and harmless defendants are stuck behind bars and they say there is a stop-gap, dangerous people can be held, denied bond. as we have seen from the bail former experiment in chicago,

judges cannot be relied on to pull that lever. there are so many cases out of that city of chicago where dangerous people were released on bonds where they didn't have to put up cash and they went out and killed or shot somebody or committed a carjacking. this is the problem the left does not seem attune to and the fact it passed with little debate tells us there is a sense of fear of people who may be uneasy are afraid of opposing them for being called racist. >> sandra: we had businesses fleeing, and female owned businesses are going to the suburbs or leaving the state because they cannot deal with the crime. when they see what a huge issue this is for the residents, for the businesses, i got on the phone last week with one business asking about the wild street races happening in the streets, some cases killing people and he said that they were fearing the day the state would embrace this cash free

bail. they only see the possibility for crime to continue to go up. will democrats running for re-election in many cases, will they change their compass, will they see that this is not going well, and see the spike in crime and adjust course? >> i think they'll see this is not going well, whether they'll adjust course is an open question. what we have not yet seen are reliable placement of consequences for pursuing these kinds of policies. yes, isolated incident of chesa boudin being recalled, but george gascon survived his recall. and eric adams in new york on the anti-crime, and also the election of alvin bragg. and philadelphia, sailed to re-election despite record homicide increases. so until democrats feel like they are going to pay a

political price, i suspect they are going to continue to march down this road, this is what is at the heart of the social justice message, what they have been saying for the last ten years needs to be done in order to be successful anti-racist allies, and for them to walk away from that message is a liability. >> sandra: you see what happened with karen bass, her home burglarized, and two guns stolen, and a headline, cashless bail, defund the police and unsafe speed add up to danger at the polls from democrats, warning saying to avoid getting swept up in the anti-crime tide, democrats will have to show they are serious about the issue. pledge to increase rather than defund the police, support judicious use of stop question and frisk, especially in high crime jurisdictions and oppose and potentially replace pros cue tors who refuse to enforce the

law and it's quite a warning there. i don't know. you tell me. are you hearing more and more democrats willing to make this a top issue in their races? >> i'm not, unfortunately, i have not seen it. we have seen crime spike in this country to enormous levels and some places surpassing 1990s peaks and we have not seen a signal of a turn around on the part of democrats. i hope the wall street journal is right, not as a partisan thing, but i want people's lives to be saved. >> sandra: what happened with karen bass, it is awful, she has promised simply as mayor if elected mayor to be smart on crime. she is asking to add to the police force but also to bring in civilians as well. los angeles, shootings up 69% since 2020, violent crime up 7%,

robberies up 19%, car thefts up 40%. serious crime these american cities are dealing with. great to see you. thank you for coming in. john, a real thing and something, if you live in a big american city right now, you are feeling this, you are seeing this crime spike happen and it will be interesting to see how it plays out in the midterm elections. >> john: even out where i live, a major mall called tysons and it had a couple incidents, somebody firing off a gun in one of the big stores there, there was a gang that conducted a smash and grab at a jewelry store there, i mean, it is spreading across the country. places that previously were pretty untouched by crime are now feeling a lot of it. >> sandra: almost commonplace and you ask the security guards at the malls and high end shopping areas, typically the crime avoids and they can't do anything. and the stores just have to pay more and more to insure their

products, they know it's going to happen and not a lot to do to stop it. >> john: people are calling for metal detectors at the entranceways to the shopping malls across america, a big change. >> sandra: imagine that. live look in edinburgh, scotland, the queen's coffin lies at rest. the new king there and the queen consort are said to stand vigil, and saying good-bye and the same time they welcome their new king. we will go live to scotland in a few moments as we watch the king. >> john: vice president harris claiming the supreme court has gone activist. but jonathan turley says if the argument she was making we would be in the age of segregation. he's coming up next. s, grocerie. we all need cash in the bank to stay ahead. well here's great news for veterans who own a home.

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>> john: vice president kamala harris slamming the supreme court over its historic ruling on abortion. listen to this. >> i think this is an activist court. it means that we had an established right for almost half a century which is the right of women to make decisions about their own body as an extension of what we have decided to be the privacy rights to which all people are entitled. and this court took that constitutional right away. and we are suffering as a nation because of it. >> john: jonathan turley, george washington university law professor and fox news

contributor, that's what the vice president had to say and jonathan, safe to say you are profoundly at odds with her opinion. >> jonathan: i am. i have many friends i respect who disagree with the decision of dobbs to overturn roe v. wade. good faith arguments on both sides. but they address the arguments themselves, instead the vice president impuned the integrity of the justices and said they were activists as opposed to jurists. that's beyond the pale and i was speaking at the 10th circuit conference and chief justice roberts was speaking t he same conference and i was there when he made his comments to object to those who are questioning the legitimacy of the court simply because they disagree on constitutional interpretation. >> john: you say she is well within bounds to disagree with any decision of the court. but when it comes to questioning the integrity of the court,

that's where it gets beyond the pale. >> jonathan: it is. and look, if this was the standard in terms of precedent, we would still have plessy v. ferguson, or brown versus board of education. the court sometimes overturns major decisions like plessy, that comes with the evolution of the court and what's fascinating, democratic senator, while calling for packing the court and calling these justices partisans, and activists, they also have called upon nominees to reverse other cases like heller on the second amendment, and citizens united on campaign financing. those cases they want overturned in the same way justices have written they don't accept certain cases of precedent and it's pretty clear they would reverse those cases if they had a fifth vote. you know, the former justice breyer, dissented on every death penalty case.

he was waiting for a majority to call it unconstitutional despite decades, and this is for the justices to fulfill their oath and what the constitution says about the rights. >> john: you might be on one side of the other, that colors your opinion whether they are an activist court or good jurisprudence on their own understanding of the constitution and their law. >> jonathan: that's right this. is a failure of leadership. this is the vice president of the united states. she needs to temper the anger and rage, not to reduce the criticism of the court. chief justice roberts said criticize us, question us, that's important to the system but you don't have to attack them personally to challenge their integrity as individuals. i disagree with some of the decisions of these justices, but i have never questioned their integrity. they try to get things right. they try to be consistent.

and i think what the vice president said was really beyond the pale. it was grossly unfair to these justices. >> john: she is just one of a number of people who have questioned the integrity of the conservative side after the dobbs decision, democrats seem to have narrowed the congressional preference since the dobbs decision because they are effectively leveraging it for political gain. how do you think this is going to play out on november 8th? >> jonathan: you know, the supreme court has long been a political issue in presidential and congressional elections. this is nothing new. what is a little bit concerning is what i call rage rhetoric. i considered what the president did in philadelphia to be an example of rage rhetoric, or rage politics, trying to fuel the anger to secure political advantage. that is the failure of leadership, and it contributes to a crisis of faith among

citizens. this is a legitimate issue for people to vote on. if they want to change the supreme court, that will come with new nominees. but the reason the president is given this power, the primariers wanted to renew of the court with an individual elected nationally by the american people. they assumed the court would change with society and it has. and people can try to change it back through elections, through this president and the next president. >> john: eight weeks to go to november 8th. what might change is control of the senate, which would vet any nominees for the supreme court. but the nominees themselves would not change until after 2024. jonathan, always great to get your opinion. sandra. >> sandra: ok, so what we heard from harris's comments, part of democrat's efforts to get abortion on or keep it on voters' minds with 57 days to go to the midterm elections, and

based on the polls it is working. >> john: that is not the only issue that has races that looked easy republican wins now tighter than anyone predicted. >> sandra: china's president making his first trip out of the communist country in a very, very long time. who is so important he's making such a rare visit? >> john: probably the last person policy and analysts with want to hear. darryl issa is here off a visit to taiwan. but first -- >> sandra: we are looking live there in scotland, some brand-new pictures coming to us now as we are awaiting members of the royal family, including the new king, charles, to stand in vigil beside the coffin at st. giles cathedral there, again these are live pictures just coming into us now from scotland as king charles iii just

addressed the scottish parliament a short time ago on the death of his mother, queen elizabeth ii. in addressing parliament, he said my mother felt as i do the greatest admiration for the scottish people for their magnificent achievement and spirit. as we await the full royal family, that will be in attendance, we are waiting to see exactly who that will be as we have for many of these moments now, john, but as we have seen throughout this, just a beautiful, beautiful, another beautiful moment there in scotland. >> john: the organizers of operation london bridge have not said specifically who will be there at st. giles cathedral where that beautiful and moving ceremony was held earlier in the day. we assume it will be charles, we don't know if camilla will stand with him or stay back at the castle or if she might remain

seated while he is standing. we do know also that prince edward, his younger brother, is there, as well as prince andrew who has been obviously the subject of some controversy, so we will find out in the next little while who will stand vigil there with the queen's coffin, i think it's probably a half hour to an hour or so. part of the elaborate ceremonies of the passing of the queen which will continue until her funeral next monday. >> sandra: indeed. we await the royal family for the vigil. we are going to take a quick break. we also have a congressman on set with us in new york. a quick break, we'll be right back. ever wonder what everyons doing on their phones? they're investing with merrill. think miss allen is texting for backup? no she's totally in charge. of her portfolio and daniel g. she's building a greener future and he's... running a pretend restaurant. and phil? phil has questions, but none of them are about his portfolio.

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>> peter: a shift from his recent focus of republicans, that promote violence to advance their agenda, maga, but elected gop lawmakers are hoping to keep their eyes on the ba you will and the issues they think will control congress. >> the truth about the issues that matter to the american people. economy, inflation and gas prices, and without any question the social issues certainly presents an opportunity for us to have a conversation with the american people about what matters to them and how we should approach that issue. >> peter: a new inflation report is due tomorrow, and we know now the inflation reduction act is mostly just a vehicle for climate change and tax code measures, president biden is going to have a big event celebrating the inflation reduction act here at the white house tomorrow. john. >> john: all right, we look forward to your coverage on that. peter doocy at 1600

pennsylvania, thank you. >> sandra: darrell issa of california. a lot of questions over republican strategies. charles payne was here last hour, teeing off on republicans saying get your messaging straight. deal with the reality of the moment and a lot of economic pain unnecessarily inflicted on the average american family. yet president biden seems to be making these midterm elections about completely different topics and winning on that. we have seen the margin of potential victory narrowing a lot. that red wave, is it coming? >> the red wave is coming but there's no question we are going to have a debate about whether it's on president biden and his failed policies along with nancy pelosi and chuck schumer, or is it about the supreme court and the former president.

i think it's going to be a tough one because he's doing a good job of making it not about him when in fact inflation is him, the war that we were dealing with in ukraine is because he talked to putin and could not explain to putin why this was a bad idea. the fact is, he has failed us in time and time again but it's not about a biden presidency, it's about policies, republicans are saying let's stop inflation by cutting down our spending. let's not force the fed to keep cranking up interest rates simply because we keep cranking up deficit spending. that's something this president can't do, but a house that is divided from his party would allow to make sure he did do. >> sandra: i mentioned that margin of potential victory continues to narrow, it was looking a couple months ago like a big red wave was coming but the politics average when you look at the chart you can see the crossover is starting to happen. red wave big time was looked at

a few months ago, congressman. that has changed dramatically. does that worry you? >> i'm worried that america cannot put up with two more years of an uncontrolled border, fentanyl coming over our borders in massive amounts, the inflation that is not being checked, our lack of a willingness to produce our own oil and natural gas, all of those things worry me. the policies that are wrong worry me. of course i would like to take control of the house so we can bring balance back to this country but the reason is because the policies are hurting americans every single day. >> sandra: all right, and you just got back from taiwan. big trip there. this is -- there's a lot of talk about this upcoming meeting of president xi to meet with vladimir putin, and his first trip outside of china since

covid began, what does it tell you about our adversaries? >> these two leaders want to talk about their own conquest in the case of xi, he wants to talk about taiwan, obviously putin is concerned about losing ukraine, and he needs china to help him with some of the weaponry so he can retake it. they both are talking about a common adversary that looks weak and vulnerable and that's the u.s. so, that's what they are going to talk about. this is very concerning because the great accomplishment of richard nixon was splitting these two so they would not be allies. they are back and they are back in a way in which they threaten us. >> sandra: you look at this meeting and think wow, president xi, he must think he has a serious grip on his power to be meeting with vladimir putin in all of this. what was your take away, seeing pictures of you on the ground there in taiwan, what's your take away from your visit there? >> in taiwan, in south korea, even in mongolia, they want to

know, will america stand behind its friends and allies in the case of taiwan, all they want to do is get delivery of weapon systems, they are willing to and always have paid for out of their own pocket, but right now they feel if they don't get those systems they are vulnerable to attack from mainland china. it's that simple. when i met with the president, her statement was please just give us the weapons to make us a bad target for the chinese. >> sandra: very interesting. fresh off your visit from there. congressman, appreciate you joining us here in new york. >> thanks for having me. >> john: so as you heard what congressman issa there, democrats are more optimistic about their chances in november but are the polls telling the real story or could they continue to include flawed data like we have seen in the last few election cycles? byron york on that tantalizing prospect coming up next.

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>> john: we are jumping back in early, live pictures from edinburgh, scotland, where a procession of the royal family has just moved up to high street from hollyroad house, you see charles and camilla and other members of the royal family will go inside the cathedral and stand vigil over the queen's casket for a period of time, don't know exactly how long, but we believe it will be 30 minutes to an hour. >> sandra: wow, and there is the new king entering the cathedral and john, that beautiful shot outside the cathedral as they are arriving there, also the queen's son andrew arriving there at the church as well. >> john: princess anne to the left of your screen. we understand it will be all four of the queen's children, charles, anne, andrew and edward who will stand vigil with the casket. >> sandra: obviously having a beautiful evening there for this vigil as we see the family

members arrive, 7:45 in the evening there, john, just a beautiful moment again, just days now after the queen's passing. to your point, we know her children will be present, the king has arrived there, and we are waiting to see other members of the royal family as we arrive. >> john: jonathan hunt is on the ground, outside of buckingham palace where the queen's casket will arrive tomorrow evening and we saw jonathan, this moving, moving ceremony, a beautiful ceremony at st. giles, and we have seen members of the public coming in to pay tribute as well. and when she stands in, or lies in repose or rests, whatever you want to call it, there in westminster hall, i mean -- the number of people that are going to come through to pay tribute to her will be extraordinary. >> jonathan: it really will be, john. but let me get back to the vigil

that we are witnessing right now just getting underway. a couple of very important points on this. this has always been known as the vigil of the princes. tonight we are seeing for the very first time a princess involved in this. in 2002, there was the vigil of the princes. then prince charles, prince andrew and prince edward stood vigil at the queen mother's coffin. now princess anne, a woman is being allowed in the monarchy's way to stand vigil. that is a very significant thing in what many people would say is the long overdue modernizing of the royal family. so, this, what you are witnessing now, is the first time ever a princess has stood vigil for a member of the royal family. also significant to note prince andrew, once again, not being allowed to wear uniform.

he is dressed in civilian clothes. we understand of course that we know he was stripped of his titles in the wake of his, the allegations against him related to the jeffrey epstein scandal. we understand prince andrew will be allowed to wear uniform for what will be known as the final vigil, that will happen when as you mentioned queen elizabeth ii lies in state here at westminster hall in london. but this is a beautiful moment, all four of the queen's children standing vigil now around the coffin of queen elizabeth ii. john and sandra. >> sandra: and we are listening for the ceremony to officially begin, music will be playing shortly. king charles addressed the scottish parliament a short time ago, he was invited to respond to the motion of condolences given by the scottish parliament, i am determined by god's help and yours to follow

that inspiring example, he said, to the legislative members regarding his mother's life of service. it was a beautiful moment, another beautiful moment in all of this leading up to the funeral on monday, jonathan. >> yeah, it really was, and there have been so many of these extremely moving moments. it's hard to think of one more moving than this, the sight of the queen's four children standing vigil on all four sides of that coffin, and you see princess anne, the princess royal there. i have to say that we saw the first glimpse of her with the coffin yesterday as it left the gates of balmoral, she was in a vehicle following it. a lot of glass in that vehicle, we could see her face very clearly and i have to say, i have never as you might imagine, seen princess anne look so distressed, so exhausted. she was extremely close to her

mother and obviously as anybody who has ever lost a parent knows it is such a distressing time and to see princess anne looking so exhausted, tired, emotional, i think was a very moving moment and you can see how seriously, serious obviously all of them look now as they stand there, and this will be obviously repeated, these very moving scenes over the next few days. the queen's coffin will arrive here in london around this time tomorrow night. it will stay overnight in the bow room of buckingham palace and then on wednesday morning there will be a procession from buckingham palace carrying the coffin on a horse drawn carriage to westminster hall. behind that horse drawn carriage we believe that many members of the royal family, obviously all four of her children, but also princes william, prince william and the prince of wales, and the

duke of sussex, harry, will also walk behind the coffin at that point. and then, of course, we will get to the funeral on monday, september 19th, after the queen lies in state here in london in westminster hall for four full days, and to john's point, there were 200,000 people who lined up to view the queen mother's coffin when she was lying in state here back in 2002. they are talking about perhaps as many as five times that number of members of the public hoping to see the queen lying in state. that would be 1 million people. they are expecting the line to stretch something like foif miles throughout central london. there are that many people, obviously, a lot more than that probably who would like to see the queen lying in state, who ld like the opportunity to pay their final respects to a monarch who was so beloved here.

>> john: john, stand by, we want to bring in byron york here in the studio, and we were going to talk american politics but instead as we watch this unfold, there at st. giles cathedral in downtown edinburgh, the american people are fascinated with what we are seeing taking place in the u.k., whether it be in scotland or outside buckingham palace or what would transpire between now and monday. given the stormy history between our two nations going back to the 1700s, what's the root of that fascination? >> well, it been pretty smooth after some initial events, that was quite a long time ago. first of all, nobody does ceremony like the british are doing ceremony. and this is the biggest one of all, and you've also got this interesting scenario in which you have this extended farewell to the departed queen, which is happening at the same time as

the coming out of the new king. so the news is kind of divided, right now you are seeing vigil for the queen, but other times in the last couple days, charles said this or that or made this new statement about how he might approach his time as king. so, it's -- it's been this extraordinary sort of dual meaning ceremony that's been going on over there. >> sandra: another show of the historic pageantry we have become used to seeing from them and the pomp as well, but here, a solemn moment as the family members of the queen gather around and byron, just noting one royal source a few moments ago noting that there are about 40 minutes behind schedule with this vigil. it was due to the amount of people they said that the -- the new king and the queen consort were meeting on the way there,

saying it was noticeable how much time charles and camilla spent speaking to people, not rushing to get away despite the circumstances. and that has certainly been noted in the days since his mother's death that he has stopped and he has spoken to so many of those mourners. first gathered outside of buckingham palace, and now in scotland as well. >> the monarchy lasts as long as the british public wants it to last and i think the new king is very, very knowledgeable about just how much his mother was loved, and that he is not loved in that way, and it becomes -- it is harder the later in life a monarch takes the throne, it's actually harder to build up the sort of good will that queen elizabeth ii built up over 70 years. she was also -- she had a link, she came from britain's greatest

generation, what we would call here the greatest generation, the world war ii legacy. her state funeral, i think the last state funeral there was for winston churchill. so, she comes from that era and has all of the authority of that era and the newer generation, charles is 73 years old, but the newer generation does not have that. so i think what you are seeing in the royal family trying to -- tried to have a lot of contact with the public is this desire to try to make this contact, that the queen could have done. also they have had some rocky times with harry and meghan, so trying to present a united family is important. >> john: it's never easy to follow in your mother's footsteps, and certainly won't be for charles. but so far in the two addresses that he has given, there was a short acknowledgment of the motion of condolence for his

mother in the scottish parliament, but in the speech he gave to the u.k. parliament, the speech he gave following his mother's passing, he is described as pitch perfect on this and surprising a lot of people. so, could it be that charles may surprise some people in his ability to reach out and touch the british people, if you will? >> well, i think the answer is yes. i mean, he has had a long time to prepare for this. he's been thinking about it a long time. we have seen a change in attitude toward camilla parker bowles, the queen consort, went from being the other woman to a beloved figure herself. attitudes can change. and charles, i said he was 73 years old but his mother just died at age 96, his father lived to what, 99 was it, he could have quite a long reign himself even starting at 73 years of

age. >> sandra: bring jonathan hunt back in as we see the new king there, st. giles cathedral, let's listen. >> sandra: jonathan, a moving moment there as king charles stand beside the late queen's coffin there, their mother, as they stand in silence and honor her, protect her as so many paid their tributes and say their good-byes to the late queen as king charles now makes his way around for the vigil there this evening. jonathan? >> yeah, you can see now king charles leading his three siblings away from the coffin having stood vigil for something like ten minutes there. and again, just want to point

out the significance of princess ann, the princess royal being there. the vigil of the princes has always happened twice in the past for king george v in 1936 and for the queen mother in 2002. it was only princes at that time. as you can see them come out, princess ann also with them and as they are greeted by applause as they exit st. giles cathedral. >> john: as we let that moment sink in. so from here, you can see the people in front of st. giles who i assume will pay tribute to the queen at about noon our time eastern tomorrow. her remains will be moved to

edinburgh airport. we listen to more applause here for king charles. look at that. people lined up ten deep as they go back to hollywood house to spend the night. as we saw that procession move its way up to st. giles cathedral in downtown edinburgh, i can only imagine what it will look like tomorrow in london when she arrives. >> i think the streets will be lined here in london and more so wednesday morning when the queen's casket will be moved from buckingham palace to westminster's hall. we're being told that king charles, iii, and camilla, the queen consult will be at buckingham palace to receive the

casket. we're being told that prince williams, the prince of wales and princess of wales, kate, will also be alongside the king and queen consult to receive the casket when it arrives here at buckingham palace tomorrow. john, sandra? >> sandra: another moving moment as our coverage continues here as and as we approach the 8:00 hour. i'm sandra smith. >> john: i'm john roberts. let's hand it off to martha maccallum who picks it up live in london for "the story." martha? >> martha: thanks very much, john and sandra. good afternoon, everybody. i'm martha maccallum live in london. right now you are watching this historic scene as king charles, iii and the queen consult, camilla make their way back from the historic st. giles cathedral in edinburgh. they stood vigil for queen elizabeth, the fou