in a different way than emotional then sad. i think it was just overw overwhelming. you know, you are there and you see and appreciate the longevity and the grandeur of the institutions that the queen represented. and it is really imposing. obviously, someone who knew the queen personally, it is a sad moment. but at the same time, what you are also seeing3 >> it was a beautiful life well lived with much meaning and accomplishment. >> can i ask you one thing with canada? the queen chose four mounted officers from the royal canadian mounted police to reed the procession, which was indicative of her great abiding affection for the mounties and

canada but a great honor for canada itself. >> i absolutely agree. canada had a very special place in her heart. she traveled to canada regularly both before she was queen and after. i think she had some 20 royal tours. she was literally at every part of the -- canada is a huge country and she was in every part of it at one time or another. she understood our country well. she loved our country. our country loved her. after britain, canada is the largest and we like to think the most important realm country. >> she said she felt like she was coming home when she went to canada. tell us about your personal friendship with her, prime minister. >> look, i tell people -- i remember the first time i met her personally. i had seen her on television and at events over the years, but my first meeting was as

leader of the opposition. they bring you in and they give you all these instructions. you can do this and that and you can't do this or that. and frankly, it is so intimidating. and so i went in kind of feeling intimidated. but, you know, in all of my conversations, she was always warm, she was engaging, she was knowledgeable. she had a dry but a very fun sense of humor. i will also say this. i think from my standpoint this was the most important thing. you know, i did feel i developed a good relationship with her. here was somebody who literally had met and in many cases knew anybody important in any field anywhere in the world in my lifetime. and she was a very shrewd judge of character and kind enough to open up to me and give me, you know, her thoughts and insights into other world leaders and

frankly it was invaluable. >> i love that you mention her humor because she tried to cut the cake with the sword at the royal engagement in 2021 and struggled with that and needed some help and there was the image of president bush toasting her and talking about the bicentennial and said i wonder if i should start this toast when i was here in 1776. everyone laughed and the paddington bar pulling out the sandwich and jumping supposedly out of the helicopter with james bond. i believe we have that video clip of teeing this up for the producers back home in new york if she can show the videotape. this is -- the queen was walking with a member of her protection. this officer named richard

griffin. he was telling some funny stories about her and said we were out walking in balmoral and we came across two americans on the walking trail with us. he reached out for what happened. let's hear that and mr. prime minister we'll get your reaction on the other side. listen to this. i believe we have this. do we have it, producers? do we have this video of the richard griffin when they were on the walk, the funny video? you tell the story. >> we're talking about it earlier. hilarious, mr. prime minister. the queen is with one of her long running aides. they're in the grounds and meet these two americans. they have no idea who the queen is. they engage in conversation and say do you come from around here? yes, i have a holiday home just over the hill. they said right. wow, you must know the queen

and she said well, you must have met the queen and she said i haven't but he has pointing to her aide. the aide says i certainly have. what is she like? she can be a little can tank orous playing along with the joke. ultimately they take pictures. they ask the queen to take a picture of them with the aide. and then he knows the queen and eventually takes a picture with the queen as well. the queen could only chuckle getting home and showing the family all their holiday pictures and there is this woman who actually is the queen. a delightful clip, yeah. >> it's very -- very consistent with what i saw, which you know, her humor was never mean in any way. it was always fun and dry and very much self--effacing.

she was her majesty and carried this tremendous presence with her. yet she had no trouble connecting with anybody on a personal level because, you know, her life was about service. it was about others, it was never about herself. >> there was an interesting comment from the archbishop of canterburyy during the funeral service public figures and politicians who go on to long clinging to power and privilege and said the way to be loved and respected over time is to perform service for others. what did you read into what the archbishop was saying? >> well look, that's certainly not only describes the queen, of course it describes the philosophy of leadership embedded in the christian faith

that she was such a tremendous believer in and representative of. look, i think one -- i think the queen really represented three tremendous things. one was obviously continuity, stability in an age of tremendous change. she represented unity in an age of divisiveness and partisanship and rancor but more than anything she represented service. i think, piers, in an age where social media has driven celebrity to a new level of narcissism, that's the only way to put it, and yet she was the extreme opposite of that. >> what i thought was interesting, you mentioned celebrity. she never, ever chased celebrity. yet she was the biggest celebrity in the world. i can't think of any figure ever in my lifetime that was anything like the send-off that this queen has had in the last

10 days. can you think of anyone? >> the only comparison i can make was really nelson mandela, whose funeral i also attended. these were two people who, they transcended their countries and frankly, they ended upstanding and symbolizing for things greater than even the institutions they represented. that would be the only comparison i think you could make. >> they were good friends. in fact, nelson mandela had a habit of calling her elizabeth and kept being reproached by his family saying you can't call the queen by her first name. why not, she calls me nelson? . >> she knew everyone. >> she did. anyone she wanted to meet. i remember the story she wanted to meet billy graham came to

see her and they spent time together. i wanted to ask you about king charles iii and his relationship with canada. i saw there were some hesitancy to put him on the currency in canada. what do you think about that? >> i'm not sure that hesitancy is very deep. i tell people that canada is a kind of a comfortably but not passionately monarchist country. the only thing smaller in canada than the monarchist movement is the republican movement. look, i have come to know prince charles, now king charles very well. he is a man of, you know, of wonderful commitment to service. obviously a person who believes strongly in causes. but i think he will be an excellent monarch. i think his biggest challenge will be following in the footsteps of perhaps the

greatest monarch in history. >> yeah. >> mr. prime minister, there has been some critics that are not really happy with the way this has rolled out and the amount of time it's taken over the 12-today period. liz truss is coming into the office and has been in for a few days and a growing crisis here in the u.k. with the soaring energy bills and food bank use has doubled because of the effects of brexit and how it's affecting the country economically. what do you make of that? as martha's question is that something we're just talking about in the media that's no there as much as we might think? or is it a reality? >> well, look, i'm kind of out of the day-to-day political life so perhaps i'm not as familiar with those issues as some. this country and many in the western world are going to have

some pretty serious challenges going forward. but i don't think it ever hurts a country, particularly a country like the united kingdom, to pause at great moments in history at the passing of an age and reflect not only upon the life of the monarch but reflect upon the entire institutional structure and the entire history of the country. and i just think there are times where we can take advantage of moments in some ways of sadness but moments that allow us to see a bigger, longer-term picture than the day-to-day issues that we're seized with. >> obviously you are close to the family and i wonder if you could share any other stories about queen elizabeth and your discussions with her? because there were many foreign leaders that were not included in today's funeral and obviously you are important to

the family. >> look, i'm always -- i've always find i'm put on the spot when asked to talk about my relationships or conversations with the family. i'm a privy counselor. the meaning of that is you are first and foremost sworn to keep all secrets particularly of the crown and the monarch and the family. but look, i think what is often not appreciated when we talk about some of the difficulties that crop up from time to time in the royal family. i think what's not appreciated is really what a difficult role they have. with the withering of the traditional -- the royal family has become a society of one and in a sense it's extremely lonely place and it is a hard -- it's hard to move into and move out of. and, you know, it just -- you

know, they just -- i say they have obviously in many ways special privileges we can't imagine, but they have special burdens and pressures that as i say, being a society of one is -- there is probably no other family in the world that's in that kind of a position. >> it's an interesting and good way to put it. hard to move into and hard to move out of in some ways. stephen harper, former prime minister of canada and member of the privy council, great to have you with us. thank you, sir. >> live pictures here. this is the queen's hearse driven down by london to windsor castle. another 45 minutes or so. as you can see every inch of this 20-mile journey lined with

the british public, many of them cheering, applauding, a mood, you can hear the applause there, a mood of respectful celebration. respect for what this monarch achieved, longevity of her reign and celebration of the fact that for many people in this country she was a greatest monarch this country has ever produced. the scenes you're seeing reflect that. >> they were running a little behind today about halfway through, they were behind about 45 minutes. they might be able to pick up some of that time that they have lost because they are not supposed to technically be in windsor until 3:06 london time, 10:06 eastern time at home. windsor at the shaw farm gate at then they'll head up albert road and depart for st.

george's chapel. then people will arrive and the royal family not involved in the procession will arrive. then the king and royal family will join the procession and it will stop at the west gate steps of the chapel and the coffin will be carried up the west steps and the committal service at st. george's chapel. >> vast numbers of the public standing in the middle of these normally very busy roads just to have their last moment with their monarch. that's what this is. i don't know whether any british people really feel this in the same way i do, but i find it really poignant. this is them all saying goodbye. in almost every case they're saying goodbye to the only monarch they have ever known. it is a moment of bittersweetness. celebration of a great life well lived and great reign and

great sandness it is the end of queen elizabeth ii's reign in this country. >> president biden and jill biden embarking on air force one and get ready to head home. more than 250 world leaders in attendance at the funeral this morning and this spectacular buckingham palace reception last night. as soon as it was over they'll all be heading back and a wave from the president and first lady of the united states as they get ready to head home. on the left-hand side of the screen are the cheers you're hearing coming from londoners and people of the united kingdom and we've heard them all throughout the last 12 days or so. it is also multi-generational, the passion that you are talking about, because so many people grew up with queen elizabeth. you have people who are -- knew her as a mother figure and then

a young girl as well. there is just -- we've seen so many families turning out to experience this together this morning at 4:30 in the morning i was making my way with buckingham palace and there was a woman with a ladder so she could see things. you have an ariel shot of the long walk that leads up to windsor castle. >> that is a long walk. it's a very long walk but a beautiful, beautiful setting, the castle that she loved so much which will now almost certainly become the new home of the new prince of wales, prince william and family. >> the last time "fox & friends" was there in windsor is when harry and meghan were married. then we came back for the platinum jubilee. >> a question on that. you were at that wedding. the narrative has since been from the start there was this

awful hatred and racism toward meghan markle and so on. there was none of that on that day, was there? the british people welcomed her. >> the queen embraced her, her mother and family and embraced her until -- allowed the ceremony to be the way she wanted it to be with her music. >> a lot of history going on. >> many of these leaders are leaving the funeral going to new york city because the u.n. general assembly is meeting with week and that starts tomorrow, on tuesday in new york. our president is going -- i assume he is going to straight to new york because i know he will be there and we've been told there are certain air restrictions in new york because the president will be there. speaking of the air, here the british airways have canceled 50 flights today because they want the air to be quiet and peaceful for the funeral, for the burial and they have contacted many people that were passengers on those planes and

told them we'll have to rebook your flight because today is the funeral of the queen. >> president biden will have a meeting with liz truss. they were supposed to meet over the last few days. didn't happen or they had a brief hello, they're scheduled to have a longer meeting at the general assembly at the united nations in new york over the coming days. you can hear the choppers above. a lot of choppers in the air as she see the coverage of this, the royal standard draped over queen elizabeth ii's coffin making its way towards windsor. you have family members along the route, piers. >> my wife and daughter probably already passed them. they were on cromwell road, a mile into journey. i know other people living nearer towards the windsor end who have all gone out with their families, young and old. also i'm struck when the queen was lying in state, if you looked at the -- i was

mesmerized of the livestream of the hall. i was watching it for a couple hours one night and i was struck by the extraordinarily diverse nature of the people going in. old, young, black, white, you know, all creeds, all countries. there was no sense that she was exclusionary to anybody, which was an inclusive monarch who preached unity. i think what you are seeing here now in her final journey is the british people unified in their feelings towards this person in a way we haven't been for a long time about anything. we have been a country ravaged by political upheaval and brexit and a lot of toxicity in the political discourse and it split family and friends. what is extraordinary about the monarch, she rose' bofsh all this. what you are seeing today is the whole country of any

political persuasion is put to one side. they want to show as a united kingdom what this monarch of the united kingdom meant. >> that's a great point. we think off yourselves as a great melting pot. the united states is. but i think people at home just it's worth reiterating this is a very international community. very diverse community here. i've been struck by hearing all of these different people from all over the world in all different accents talking about how much they loved her and how much they respected and admired her. it is interesting. our systems are so completely different but what works about this system for the people of the united kingdom is that you have this person who is almost a human expression of the flag of the country. >> i also think that you have great patriotism in your country. and we have it here. but it is mainly centered around the royal family actually and the military.

and you have it around your presidency and around the military. so there are a lot of things that bind our countries, which maybe we don't give much thought to. in that sense we're all very proud, as you are of your armed forces and they've been on great display today. i think the royal family is a unifying figure for both countries, a bridge between them. and i also i listen to the respect that you have both shown to the royals today. it is palpable. you have a real feeling about them as well, which i think is very touching because they're not your royal family. >> we touched on earlier and worth repeating. what people admire is the sense of putting something above yourself. we have become such an extraordinarily selfish, self-absorbed society. social media, taking selfies and all of these things showing off your own life. she was not about that and it also goes back to the world war ii ethos shared by both of our

countries and i think that's where people want to tap into. the feeling of -- she wasn't overly concerned with her appearance. she always looked perfect but she wasn't afraid of aging. she never had plastic surgery or changed her hairstyle. she didn't want to fuss. >> a former editor of the british vogue. she couldn't understand all the pieces about the queen being a fashion icon. she was a style icon. she had her style and stuck to it. her style outlived all fashions. when it came to the air, there was a great quote from sir rod stuart who said he and the queen shared one thing in common. our hairstyle hasn't changed in 50 years. >> sometimes it's better off not changing >> you don't want to see the queen coming out with a weird

bob. >> she did at times she reflected the times and different outfits but it was always her. you could tell it was something she was comfortable in and not trying to make any kind of fashion statement in it. towards the end of her life she always wore bright colors because people need to see me. >> we -- i like to wear a lot of colors on the morning show because i need to wake up america. let's bring in bill and dana perino. you gave us your time this morning. thank you so much. i know you normally would have your show at this point. what are the thoughts of feelings of americans back home or in the newsroom as you are watching this. >> bill: well thank you. nice to see the three of you and watching you since earlier today back in new york. terrific coverage, too. i want to impress upon you in london just how stunning these images have been just to watch

it. it's been remarkable. and the precision by which they carried out the funeral was stunning. two things come to mind. i don't remember 1965 but that was the last time she had a state funeral for winston churchill. it had to be somewhat similar to what we're watching today. people from all over the world observing this and reflecting on the life of this woman who led this country for 70 years. i think at the age of 96, one thing that strikes me, dana, i know you've been watching this also, are the images of prince george and princess charlotte, the children of william and kate. they have been absolutely adorable and so well behaved. and they are of the age, dana, where they will remember this moment today. >> dana: absolutely. i think your coverage has been outstand being, all three of you and alex hogan as well

because we're watching the images and then your thoughts, your knowledge has really helped us to understand what is going on with all the tidbits of information you were able to provide. the other thing people are reflecting on today is that over the past few days, martha, i know you went through the queue. it was about post covid, go and do, show up, be a part of it. experience things not just for social media but for yourself and for your friends and family and for your country. and piers, i would say to you that you were just talking about unity. what i see in this is one, the people saying we are more unified than the media thinks we are. but two, a longing for that unity and if there is a leader that can step forward, such as the queen was, that can say we'll help. we'll try to be a good example. we'll try to bring everyone

together. people are looking for that as well. you mentioned that and it struck me a moment ago. >> i think that's a really good point. she was about unity. she never took political positions or hot button issue positions and never showed us what she felt. so we never had to take sides against the queen because she never took sides on any issue publicly. that's why it's an interesting challenge for king charles. he famously has regularly taken strong positions about things like climate change and so on. can i still do that and be a unifying king as many of his subjects disagreed with him about issues? he said he would be different as monarch than he was at prince. the beauty of the monarchy we've never really known what she has thought. she has been able to rise above the political fray in a way that's impossible, for example, for an american president to do

because voted by half the country. the other half doesn't want you in. so i think we've had the same issue here politically with our prime ministers, toxicity about brexit to leave the european union and so on. what the queen has reminded people this country is at its best when we come together. you made a great point about the pandemic. imagine if the queen had died at the height of the pandemic and we were not able to come together as a country at all to say goodbye to her. that would have been a desperately sad state of affairs. i think it's been magnificent for this country to be able to come together once the pandemic has now pretty much blown through, come together as a country. queue up and i'm delighted to see you use the word queue. and also better relations then 1965. i'm amazed you don't know i was

born that year. two mother after churchill died, a natural procession, iconic bridge. that was a really good point about unity. it's all about that. the monarch has to unify the country in good times and bad. if charles gets it right i think we're in for a good reign from him, too. he has to be very careful about not straying in polarizing issues. >> bill: one more observation and martha, i know you have studied this family for a long time. there is a historian quoted in the associated press about the stability that she provided the people of england as the longest reigning monarch. the quote, people derived some sort of comfort and security from that unchanging nature. i think it's very true. she became the constant and she was the stability for the u.k.

>> you know, there were at times a lot of turmoil all around her and there were difficulties in the family, there were three divorces in 1992, so she did maintain that stability and she always maintained her optimism that things would get better. when things confronted the family or country it was time to stiffen the upper lip and hang in there and always supremely optimistic. when she spoke at the jubilee she said i feel very hopeful about the future of this country and this is coming from a 96-year-old woman who has seen a lot. and it was also coming towards the end of the pandemic and i think she was as piers said how meaningful it was to her to say we'll meet again and be with our family and friends again and it restored that hopeful, optimistic attitude in the country. i think now they have to find that core for the family and is

it charles and can he lead them? i also think that charles in many ways acts as a bridge to kate and william. that they are the future of the monarchy, although he clearly will be the king, people look to them. that's why everyone is so enchanted, as you both were, when they see princess charlotte and prince george at this event stepping up to become, to take on some of their young responsibilities to become used to this environment and i think it's really significant and what makes people -- what probably made the queen hopeful. i'm sure she would have loved everything about today and would have loved seeing her grandchildren step up in that role looking smart and being well behaved and taking on their duty and making it not about them acting up in the crowd but making it about their grandmother. i'm sure she would have been enormously proud of them today. >> let me ask you guys. does not this make you itch for a royal family again?

you made a terrible mistake all those years ago? >> so -- >> just what we need, yeah. >> i met my husband on an airplane 25 years ago and he lived in -- well, where was he living at the time? in the north of england. we lived there and i had a chance to go to windsor castle a few times and i was pretty enchanted by it. friends of ours lived in maiden head. as an american it was there to be among people who respected the royal family. there was a split. there were people who thought it was unnecessary in the 21st century but there was always respect. and there was something else, ainsley, that you mentioned this morning and thought i would maybe ask you about this. it's not always easy to talk about your faith in public but the queen did that over and over again. i was reading about her

speeches, especially her christmas and easter messages. and even for countries like here in america and there in u.k. people have walked away from the church a little bit. she was stalwart in that and never shied away from talking about god and her faith in god and her love for god. and that is something that i know that you speak about willingly. and i'm sure you have had people come to you and say thank you for being willing to do that. it's leadership as well. >> well, thank you for asking me that question, dana. yes, not to make this about me but my faith is very important to me. my most important thing to me even above my own daughter, which is almost unimaginable. if you have faith you understand that, you believe in god who gave me things. i really connect with her because i love that she loved billy graham and appreciated

his faith and his sacrifices because billy graham and his wife separated for months on end so he could go out and proselytize to the rest of the world. they admired each other for that. he believed his god came first, she believed her god and country came first and she was willing when she became queen to leave for six months at a time. leave her children behind with ladies in waiting or nannies and understood it was her duty. i admire her for that. we watch our soldiers from the united states go to war for a year. they don't want to be apart from their families but they do that because they love our country. that's more important to them than even their own children. i found that connection with her and i just admire her for that. i love that she believes in the afterlife and that gives us all hope.

i was watching the archbishop of canterburyy this morning be interviewed by one of the news outlets and the reporter said doesn't that give you peace, doesn't that give the people peace knowing she is in heaven? it not only gives us peace it gives us hope that there is an afterlife that she believes that and one of her famous quotes, dana, after her father died she said we're all just visitors, this time and this place we're all just passing through. our purpose here is to learn, grow and love and then we return home. i can't help. we talked about this, martha, i can't help but smile inside knowing this is her duty since she was 25 years old and now she finally has peace and can rest in peace. she doesn't have to worry about the paparazzi or stepping wrong where it will be reported or a child getting divorced. she is finally healed, there is no sadness, to turmoil, no death, no divorce, you are with

jesus christ in heaven and she is with her god. >> i have never seen anything like this hearse. it has never existed before. it was customed design by the queen and piers, she had a saying or a motto or something by which she lived her life and that is she should always be seen but not always heard. and i think it's absolutely clever and i think it's also true. so this is her being seen, literally. >> dana: good advice for all of us. >> bill: yes. >> the actual saying, bill, was as she handed down to her from her mother, the queen mother. her mother explained to her if you want to have a long life as a beloved public figure, never complain, never explain, and rarely be heard speaking in

public. and so the queen, like her mother, never gave an interview. never complained about anything. she accepted the role, the palaces, servants and pomp and ceremony which she enjoyed. the other side of that coin was you never complained about it. you never moaned. you got on with your duty and service uncomplainingly and the public would respect and love you for it. it worked for her mother, who famously stayed in buckingham palace during world war ii despite the palace being bombed three times. by staying there they were beloved by the british people, both of them. this queen has been beloved because she, too, has never complained about anything. and she just did her duty selflessly for seven decades and every year that passed, the respect not just here but also around the world, grew for this woman because we understood that of all people she had a

right to complain about things. terrible things happening to her as marta said. she never did. she accepted the down side of fame often must have felt like a prison being the queen. a lonely job at times. the best thing was stiff upper lip and get on with it and just get on with it and don't do too much talking. >> bill: just like our politicians in the u.s. [laughter] >> bill: we have so much in common. i know you can see the flowers hurled her way. it will go on for i believe as the bird flies 25 miles moving at a comfortable speed but not fast. >> dana: it is a beautiful site. >> indeed it is. >> dana: i was just -- i don't know if you would know the answer to this, maybe piers

would. i have always been very interested in queen elizabeth i. i was wondering the technology is different. there is no hearse and no diesel fuel. but was the funeral similar to this? would she have gone around the country? there were subjects there who were very loyal to her as well. i'm curious how this plays out in history. >> i don't know if they traveled around the country. i believe she is buried at westminster abbey, elizabeth i and beloved by the people and thinking about winston churchill declaring the second elizabethan age. it began in the victorian age when you started to see the establishment of a lot of the ritual that you now see. so i think some of that is more

modern, if you can call the victorian age modern, and was in practice. obviously they didn't have the exposure to the early monarchs that people have now. just in terms of what you said about the exposure and people seeing them. i'm really struck by how queen elizabeth used the media and maintained her tradition backbone and understood the power of television, she understood the power of being seen. she wanted her core nation to be televised, the first one ever. also the first monarch funeral that has ever been televised by her own choice. she wanted people to be able to see and experience it. also this service that we're about to see has never been televised before, either. i think about how thoughtful she was with different forms of communication and always good at blending the tradition and being progressive with the media that was emerging all around her. it strikes me that now her

funeral is being watched by people up and down this path that didn't exist during her time. everyone is recording this in a medium no one would have dreamed of in 1953. >> the great thing about working with two supremely talented co-anchors, i've been frantically googling about queen elizabeth the first. her embalmed body was laying in wait for three weeks. thousands turned out to watch the funeral and the procession through london. it was a pretty similar response to her death after a very long reign, of course, with her as well. the difference, you touched on this, dana, there was no internet, no television, no social media. i think what makes this queen stand out for me is that she --

television came along pretty much at the moment she was coronated in the early 50s. her coronation at her request was the first time an event of that kind had been shown on television. she lived in the television age and inherited the internet and social media age. that meant every tiny moment of her public life was laid bare in front of all of us including today, which the pictures wouldn't exist from elizabeth i's funeral. i haven't seen any. maybe -- >> i could have googled that myself but as you know everything sounds better with a british accent and i just wanted you to tell me what happened in 1603. >> you wanted to hear a british guy talking about the royals, i get it. it's why i'm here. >> she died on march 24, 1603 and her funeral was april 28,

1603 and she is buried, it says, in a lead within the wooden coffin and buried in the vault of her grandmother king henry 7:00 underneath the monument in the abbey. this coffin is also the inside of it is covered in lead and it holds the body in a certain state for a prolonged -- to keep the body from decomposing. it takes a little bit longer because this process, this is day 12. >> all royals get a lead-lined coffin. very heavy. >> according to the pall bearers on their shoulders. what great job. >> they did a great job. >> bill: two things here, guys,

i believe we were about eight minutes away from arriving at the first gate at windsor. i don't know if it will happen in 10 minutes or not but we'll ride with it as well. during the ceremony today so many tight shots of the imperial state crown. we picked up some numbers from over the weekend. on that crown they have 2,868 diamonds, 17 sapphires, 11 emeralds, 26 pearls and 4 rubies. now charles isn't going to wear this. what happens, where does this crown go? is it ever seen again? >> i believe he will wear it. it's a version of the crown worn by her father and his father before him. they do alter it a bit. they made it smaller to fit her head but the basic structure of the crown stays the same and i believe he will be crowned in

it unless he makes a different choice. i can't imagine he would. one of the things that was stunning when we watched the coffin leave buckingham palace several days ago on its way to westminster hall it turned the corner here and caught the light and the thing lit up in bright blue. it was absolutely astonishing and just something i happened to catch over my shoulder and a few other people caught it, too. it was breathtaking. so the gems on it are stunning. there are several countries who want their gems back who believe they have -- >> bear in mind there will be a double coronation. camilla will be crowned the queen consort. two moments of crowning of the king and the queen. >> bill: thank you for -- >> you can visit the crown jewels and see them and you are not allowed to take pictures. i tried and they said you'll

have to leave that, ma'am. ainsley never breaks rules. >> i just learned something. >> i was actually with someone else who did it and it made my nervous. i was with a friend and they came down and said excuse me, you will have to remove that. >> thanks, guys. >> stay tuned as our coverage continues. her final resting place of windsor as we wait for the service about to take place there and the burial that will follow. we see prince charles as his car follows along in the line. we'll be right back.

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>> we're back with our coverage of the funeral of queen elizabeth ii as the funeral procession makes its ray toward windsor where she spent most of her weekends during the regular course of the year and all of her time in recent years at windsor castle and also where the prince and princess of wales have now made their home in adelaide cottage, a small

home where they are raising their children and going to school there. everybody is going home this afternoon as they head to windsor. just a few miles away at this point at 2:51 local time this afternoon. with that we're happy to be joined by a royal commentator charlie who is with us now. thank you very much for coming. tell us a little bit about what your thoughts are today and what your own experience is with the story. >> it's been an extraordinary day here. you don't need me to tell you that. the images have been spectacular. we've seen central london. i got up at 5:00 this morning grind to a halt. a moving carpet of humanity quietly with dignity moving towards positions along the routes that you've seen. i saw a lady with a single rose in the backpack that she was preparing to throw in front of the hearse as it went past and simply the majesty of the

service at westminster abbey has been the most amazing royal event i have seen in my lifetime. i try to stick to these things. behind us even perhaps you can't quite see it with westminster bridge has still got crowds on it beginning to disperse as the queen heads to windsor which is 30 miles away. >> we're watching the scenes at windsor. another huge procession there, another service of the committal of the queen's body. looking at these lines of people, the crowds everywhere, in london, down at windsor, all along the route, enormous. you touched on it. i have never seen anything like this in my lifetime in this country. >> there are moments, aren't there, a click of the fingers and perhaps not this time but in the past in the run-up to charles and camilla's wedding in the run-up to the queen mother's funeral you felt the

world wasn't very pro-royal and suddenly you look out and see this crush of humanity, the british people who want to celebrate. today we should have expected it but it exceeds everything we've seen so far. >> yeah. >> everything always so precise in this country? i'm amazed by this. normally everyone is running behind schedule. they were running behind for one little second and picked up the pace and looks like they'll arrive in windsor on time. >> you thought you had got us but i said to you this is a military -- a british military operation. there won't be one second late, you watch. you watch. right, charlie? >> we're british, aren't we? we're british. when we pick over it we'll find a couple of things -- prince philip's funeral there were two things that went slightly wrong. we talked about them for weeks. [laughter]

>> i noticed jackie stuart in a shot we saw a while ago, a famous driver, close friend of the royal family inside windsor as people are gathering there and the hearse goes by. talk to us about the various friendships and relationships that the queen had. she had a lot of interests across the board. >> one of the really clever things about our queen, about this queen, is that when she died, the surprising separate groups that cropped up in the u.k. and said she was our queen. she belongs to us. and so she managed to spread the monarchy around a huge area. you saw some of it reflected in the service in scotland, at the commonwealth who read the first lesson, and her friends who took -- who were able to come

to the abbey. it only holds 2,000 people, were there. people like sir jackie who you are now seeing is able to pay his respects in windsor. >> yeah. of course, you've got all the armed forces down there as well. a lot of them used to guard the queen when she was at windsor. as you've seen in london, a lot of the guards of the palace now at windsor. the guard who used to take over the procession at the royals down at the castle. a lot of people here who have worked for the royal family at these various locations for a long time. all the soldiers would have huge personal connections and affection for the yeen and the commander-in-chief they're saying goodbye to. an emotional day for them as well. >> i think the moment that struck me was seeing the staff of buckingham palace lined up outside the gates. it looked like a scene from

downtown abbey in a funny kind of way and they were there in a line to say farewell. >> you're right. it did. rather light with downtown abbey. a lot of people who worked very, very hard to maintain the very luxurious lifestyle of the royal family here. that's the quid pro quo. i talked about it a lot today. in return for this palatial life, which often can be a pretty awful goldfish bowl to live. in return they give selfless duty to the country and that's how they earn the respect which allows the monarchy to continue and to thrive. that's the challenge for king charles and king william and ultimately king george, of course, the next three generations of monarchs need to maintain that sense of connection with the british people which comes from duty and service and respect for the position they hold, and understanding they are only

there at the behest of the public. if the public decide they don't want a monarchy. we've seen that happen around the world with monarch east ceasing to exist. i would hate to see that day. the royal family and the monarch has to really work hard to maintain it. >> i'm reminded when you look at the aerial shot of windsor what happened in 1992. enormous fire at windsor castle. the queen dubbed it the most importantible and spoke about what a hard year it was. the divorces that happened that year among her children and this enormous fire that engulfed a huge section of windsor castle. i think one of the things that people responded to even in that moment she, like all of us, she was able to say i have had a horrible year. and i think she evoked a lot of sympathy over the course of that.

>> i think you're right. she never gave interviews, as you know. that was as close as she came when she made that impassioned speech about that year. i remember driving past windsor and you could smell the smoke from the highway just about a mile and a half away. it was a tragic from windsor castle's point of view. it was rebuilt and a rebuilding of the royal family. the 1990s was not their best decade and what we've seen today, you know, as you three have been saying over and over again it's about service and privilege. you don't often have lives which get both but the queen has had both and the service part has shown. >> that was the point, of course, the archbishop of canterburyy made in his address, the true love and respect comes from service, not from clinging onto power and

privilege. those world leaders and put personal aggrandizement before service and duty. >> one question for you. maybe something to talk about and wanted to find out if you knew about this. i read it in the newspaper yesterday that she developed this liking for this handsome cbc weatherman that she watches on tv. it was like a bit of a crush. she always wanted to watch the forecast when he was on. she was amused hearing it when his name was read out. she loved watching him, too. of course i have to google him and look at him. he is this young cute little guy that maybe 20s, maybe early 30s and she would watch him and had a crush on him at 96 years old, which i thought was just darling. because my mother used to do