>> dana: i'm surprised it doesn't happen more often. they're up there moving around. >> down he goes. he is okay. have you ever called peter doocy steve and steve doocy peter? >> dana: absolutely. >> it happens in my family all the time. >> bill: good luck with the book. "the faulkner focus" is up next. here she is. >> harris: beginning with the fox news alert. the impossible is our new and very real normal. i'm harris faulkner and you are in "the faulkner focus". u.s. border agents apprehended now more than 200,000 illegal immigrants in august. one month. and that puts the year-to-date number of illegal crossings at about 2.1 million. look at your screen. and we're still about two weeks away from the end of the fiscal year. and that is without counting

all the gotaways. 2 plus million people plus the gotaways. i've been told by border patrol north of 800,000, probably closer to a million. but the more striking number is the 3.4 million that have come into our country since president biden took office. he flipped that switch on trump policies and people poured in. not only people, drugs pouring in. agents in nogales, arizona made another massive bust over the weekend. 200,000 fentanyl pills, 150 pounds of methamphetamine. tensions exploding over the republican governors transferring the people who insist on cutting the line. they are sending them to democrat-led cities. a sheriff in bear county, texas doesn't like it and opened a criminal investigation into the flights that sent 50 illegals from florida courtesy of

governor desantis to martha's vineyard. >> 50 died in a trailer in texas. was a a freak-out? you have had people victim eyes americans killing and raping some. was there any type of outrage about that? no, it is only when 50 get put into martha's vineyard, which wasn't saying they didn't want it. they said they wanted this and they were a sanctuary jurisdiction. it was all virtue signaling. >> harris: republican senator from john kennedy from louisiana is in "focus." we'll begin at the southern border with mexico. bill melugin is in eagle pass, texas. bill. >> good morning to you. we just got brand-new data from cbp which reveals in august

there were 12 individuals on the f.b.i.'s terror watch list arrested here at our southern border. that brings the total for fiscal year 2022 so far to 78 people on that terror watch list arrested here at the border. that is triple the previous five years combined to put it in perspective from fiscal year 17-21 there were 26 of these terror watch list arrests. we're at 78 so far this year and the year isn't over. more cbp data to show you. look at the graphic. they report in the month of august last month there were just over 203,000 illegal crossings at our southern border. that brings the fiscal year 2022 total to more than 2.1 million. the highest ever recorded in a single fiscal year and there is still a month left to go in the fiscal year. that number will keep going up. it is also crushing last year's record. fiscal year 21 set the record at 1.7 million. we're well past that.

let's talk about the gotaways. the 2.1 million does not account for the more than half a million gotaways who crossed the border so far this year. you add that with last year's gotaways cbp sources tell us we're well over 900,000 known gotaways at our southern border. that's a population bigger than the city of san francisco. as you look at the video we've shot in eagle pass within the last week or so of mass illegal crossings you mentioned off the top, the democrat sheriff in bear county has launched a criminal investigation into ron desantis and the flight of migrants from texas to martha's vineyard. he is saying the migrants were lured and this investigation is not political. governor desantis is pushing back saying the migrants boarded the flight voluntarily and signed a consent waiver and put them up in hotels beforehand and gave them showers and meals, accommodations and they were all sleeping on the streets before they got on this flight.

listen to what both the sheriff and governor desantis are saying about this. >> at this point i'm not able to definitively say here is the statute they broke either federal, state or local. what i can tell you, it's wrong from a humanites perspective what was done to these folks is wrong. these are people who were basically destitute and put in a situation where they could have succeeded and they did not welcome them and deported them the next day with the national guard. give me a break. >> harris, circling back to the brand-new terror watch list arrest numbers, 78 so far this year. that is triple the last five years combined and it is extra concerning when you consider the fact this year alone we've had well over half a million people slip past our border patrol agents without ever being caught. we'll send it back to you. >> harris: when i was just down there you can see them on some of the sensors and cameras but the border patrol, the national

guard, the texas dps, everybody working so hard and still they evade us. no matter what we do. because they are good at it. bill melugin, thank you. democratic leaders getting just the tiniest taste of the brutal realities of the border crisis. a mom has taken her own life in one of the new york city shelters housing the migrants from border states. the city's mayor, eric adams, is blaming republicans. >> this is not a failure of those men and women. those city employees who have stayed up late at night, been at the bus station feeding, navigating. the failure was the governors that sent people on a multi-day bus ride. that's the failure. and we didn't fail in this city. this city is helping people. >> harris: he needs to take those sunglasses off and get to the border and see what i saw. the bus ride was the best part

of their journey, trust me. republican senator john kennedy member of the judiciary committee is in "focus." your top line thoughts today. >> president biden talks a lot about democracy, as he should. democracy depends on the mutual acceptance of rules, norms, and institutions. president biden's southern border policy is undermining that principle. he has completely opened the southern border and he has looked the american people in the eye and he has lied and said the border is closed. now, most americans people skills are fine but they have a low tolerance for morons and they don't like being treated like a moron. they don't like the president lying to them and when they call the president out, they don't like the president calling them nazis and racists.

most americans support legal immigration. look, the whole world wants to come here, harris. when is the last time you heard of somebody trying to sneak into china? they want to come to america. americans support that. we allow a million of our world's neighbors to become american citizens every year more than any other country. but the american people feel that illegal immigration is illegal. duh. last year we had close to 3 million people, to say nothing of the fentanyl that streamed into our country, and we do not have the slightest idea who those people are. and because we ask the president says we're all racists and nazis. the american people look at the southern border like they look at their home. most americans lock their front door at night.

they don't lock their front door at night because they don't hate everybody but that they love people on the inside and they want to know who is coming in and out of their house. and that's way most americans look at the southern border. >> harris: what i've learned is we have no idea who is coming into this country. even the ones who put your hands in the air. this is eagle pass live where i just was. the left side is the united states. the right side is mexico. so you see how close we are. do you see a wall? you know what there are? there are some empty train containers there that are spaced out and so on and so forth. some of it helps so when people crawl out of the river and have to change their clothes and be naked you can't see them from the roadside. you can't get to the wall 3/4 of a mile away from the water. if our border patrol and national guard were not there and if texas had not spent a

billion dollars so far on its operations to help its own citizens where would we be? critics are lighting up california newsom for calling republican migrant transfers appear rehenceible and he asked them to look into kidnapping charges for flying illegal immigrants from florida to massachusetts. newsom did the very same thing. at least something very similar, as mayor of san francisco. he launched and effort called homeward bound. officials gave homeless people in the city a one way greyhound ticket out of the city. how is that any different? >> well, it's not. look, life is full of contradictions. where i come from they call it hypocrisy. the federal government is busing and flying illegal

immigrants all over the country. they are doing what governors abbott and desantis have done multiplied by 100, by a thousand. i think most americans can see the unfairness of all this. we have nigerian doctors and german engineers who are following the rules waiting in line, being properly vetted to become american citizens but president biden will let ill literal gang banger with drugs come right on in if he can wade across the rio grande. and that's not only unfair, it is illegal. >> harris: senator kennedy, thank you very much for being in "focus" and getting us started this hour. good to see you. early voting began yesterday and it is underway in pennsylvania. absentee voting, people going to the polls without hearing from both candidates debating but you know what?

they have enough to think about already. no doubt voters are thinking about all that crime and it is a tough day for the democrat you see there running for u.s. senate. john fetterman's campaign is trying to defend his past stance on mercy for convicted murderers. yeah, selfie. president biden is getting set ablaze for that 60 minutes interview. >> it leaves the entire country and entire world wondering who is in charge? we've seen why now biden has gone so long without having an interview. the staff doesn't want him to because he goes off script. >> harris: the president's remarks on inflation troubling. what he said regarding taiwan and china could be dangerous. and a biden speech would not be complete without a cleanup on aisle 7 from the white house. sean duffy is next. only get thr with his cholesterol.

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>> you have lived a long life of triumph and tragedy. i wonder what you would like to say about your son and whether any of his troubles have caused conflicts. last tuesday the annual inflation rate came in at 8.3%. >> president biden: it is just an inch month-to-month hardly at all. >> harris: he lives in utopia, mr. president, an inch. critics lacing into both president biden and scott pelly wondering how he felt after the 60 minutes interview. many accusing him of throwing softball questions and president biden not catching any of them.

down playing the inflation crisis. senate minority leader mitch mcconnell. >> president biden gave an out of touch interview on the inflation crisis. the president argued with a straight face that the american people ought to be grateful because it could have been even worse. the president might want to talk to a couple of working americans trying to survive under his policies before he sits down for his next tv interview. >> harris: jimmy failla pointed out that scott pelly didn't ask the president a single question about the border crisis. sean duffy, it is not just what scott pelly didn't ask, that's a really -- that's for another hour. it is how the president answered the questions he was asked. >> inflation, to say it's up an

inch when it's up 8.5% over the last year. in politics you can get things wrong. we came out of the pandemic, supply chain issues, china shutdown and blame it on a lot of things. taking responsibility for the pain that the american people are going through is good politics and shows you get it. that you try to diminish the pain that americans are going through in this interview is -- it makes a lot of americans angry and if you don't recognize the problem you can't fix the problem. >> harris: you put it correctly. he is diminishing it and making it just an inch, just a little bit. meanwhile americans are looking at their food bills making some pretty tough decisions. >> if you look at the last month of inflation it was still incredibly high even though gas prices have come down, right? people look at their rent, food bills. wait until you get your gas bill when it gets cold out. it will skyrocket for most americans. sit a really bad situation.

see not doing anything. the amount of spending that has gone on in this administration is unconscionable after all the rescue covid money spent in the trump era and start of the biden era. he is doing nothing to fix it. >> harris: the free money, the money they're printing will crush us. >> 100% it is. it is starting to get through the economy right now. as the fed tries to raise rates and tamp down the economy joe biden is saying the economy is doing great, we're growing jobs. the fed said we need to get into recession to get the inflation under control. >> harris: part of the reason gas prices have gone down is people aren't driving as much. will we travel or drive far from home or put food on the table? we now are at critical mass when it comes to people going to the grocery store. something very basic in this country. >> the traders see global

recession on the horizon. demand goes down. it is not because we have more supply. it is because people are driving less and recession is in our future >> harris: we aren't making any more supply and when we see the realization of biden tapping the reserve and historically low with what we have the prices will go back up. president biden is closing in on 100 executive orders estimated to cost taxpayers nearly 1 1/2 trillion dollars. the president currently sits at 99 executive orders most during his first year when he issued more than any ot since gerald ford in the 1970s. donald trump issued 220 throughout his four year presidency. barack obama 276 over his eight years. >> our founders had the idea we should have a balance of power. three branches of government and what you found is the

congress will pay homage to the executive if the executive is doing what they want. the president has the power and you get executive orders. i think they're unconstitutional especially the spending side. when donald trump was president i went to democrats saying let's stop it now. i will join you democrats to stop donald trump as long as we stop future democrat executives. it is bad for the balance of power in america. they didn't take me up on that. the problem here is when you start to spend money in the executive branch when that belongs to congress in the constitution, that's offensive. >> harris: it's interesting that you would do that when you were in office. now you are looking at a situation is willing to do it more than anybody. >> once you give people free money it's hard to take it back. congress needs to exert itself. it is not. it's a problem for the balance

of power. when the executive and administrative state have so much power over our lives it is a problem when congress is fine with that. do what you want because i agree for it. it's bad for the future and bad for democracy. >> harris: 49 days until the mid-term elections. questions now if we'll have a big red wave. polling shows what americans say are the most important issues to them and which political party they think is doing a better job. plus president biden has heads spinning after he declared the pandemic is over. >> saying whatever they need to say at any point to get what they want out of the situation so they constantly contradict themselves. >> harris: oh my goodness. the president. is he a doctor now? covid is over. then give us back our money because you must not need it to spend on covid. stay with us.

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>> harris: 49 days and counting until the mid-terms. new fox news power rankings now show the republicans are still favored to take control of the house. the best case scenario for them is a landslide. g.o.p. margins for victories have slipped as democrats are making some gains. mark meredith is live for us in washington >> there is no shortage of headlines from the latest fox news power rankings showing democrats are building momentum in efforts to keep control of the house. but the g.o.p. still having an advantage. data showing republicans likely to have 231 seats under their control. you need 218 to be the majority. there is a slight chance democrats could hold onto the house. however, their pathway to victory is tougher.

house speaker nancy pelosi insists democrats do plan to hold the house. she wants voters focused on abortion and voting rights. republicans trying to keep people focused on the economy and inflation. closer contest in the senate right now. the senate is evenly split. gop appears to have an advantage going into november but four senate races considered toss-ups including arizona, georgia, nevada and pennsylvania. pennsylvania the seat is open with pat toomey's retirement. dr. oz is going up against lieutenant governor john fetterman and georgia, herschel walker is trying to knock out raphael warnock and watching the governor's race in georgia. our data shows the race between abrams and kemp is leaning in republicans' favor. abrams is having trouble connecting with voters despite raising money and spending a lot of money. political team reporting abrams secret weapon has been her

ability to register new voters. that strategy may be faltering. other governor races we're watching. those considered toss-ups, arizona, kansas, maine, new mexico, nevada, oregon and wisconsin. there is a lot there. there is so much that's happening here in all the races. republicans betting big that support from people like glen young k*in the governor in virginia. democrats are raising money focusing on abortion. less than 50 days until the mid-terms. there is a lot on the line. >> harris: mark, thank you very much. questions about a big red wave in november. new polling showing voters say republicans are doing a better job on border security, crime and the economy. democrats lead on healthcare and abortion. but the social issues are likely less of a factor in deciding votes. they don't ride with the same intensity level in people's lives. 59% say a candidate's position

on managing the cost of living is their focus. that's compared with 37% who said the same thing about abortion. former clinton pollster mark penn says it's playing this way. >> i think there are two elections going on. one about inflation, immigration, crime. another about climate change, abortion, and racial justice. and you see that these races have tightened in the democratic favor a little bit so far. i think you have to watch the wolg in the next couple of weeks. >> harris: power panel now. great to have you both. gianno i'll start with this. why would people vote to keep dems in the house if voting rights were an issue? how would they be able to do that? >> for one i understand the importance of them absolutely. at the same time people are more focused on kitchen table issues.

i'm looking at the polling and i know it will tighten up in october. i'm reminded what my good friend marti morris would often tells me polls don't vote. with these polls that don't vote, people are -- the momentum is on the side of the republicans when you look at the kitchen table issues people are more consider at of that. more republicans voted in the primary. democrats don't have that kind of momentum. i understand the abortion issue and the trump legal issues. as we go in the coming weeks in october, i think those things will shift and people will be very surprised how it turns out and i think it will fall on the side of republicans. >> harris: if it falls on the side of republicans it is particularly difficult for democrats not because they would necessarily outnumber them but when you look at tracking independents are tracking closer with and alongside republicans. lee carter is a guru in all that and we do it here on the program. we'll track and see the red and

yellow of independents tracking very separate from the blue line of democrats. they're hanging together. that's a lot of people. >> you know, we don't agree on everything but i think there will be surprises. with we look at tracking let's look at some tracking of registered voters since the dobbs decision. 12% increase among women alone over men in october -- in ohio and that is a complete flip. men have really dominated not just the mid-term but voting in general in that state. when you look at latinos in new mexico and issues social issues such as abortion are coming up and since gas prices are going down the economic issues in new mexico are dropping and social issues like abortion are rising. the economy is number one on everybody's plate. democrats have not been coming out in the mid-terms historically and they need to take a page out of the

republican playbook. three, i think women and the dobbs decision will be much more of a deciding factor and surprise as we see these races tighten as we get closer. as you said we're not that far away. >> harris: you think abortion rides higher and hotter intensity level among voters, women or men, than food? inflation is cooking at 68%. >> i said economy is number one but that specific -- >> harris: 68% of people agreeing on that. you picked up 13% and still below 50 on the issue of abortion in terms of polling. gianno, real quick? >> baby formula, too, right? that was a consideration for suburban moms. i have to tell you when leslie mentioned registered voters we have to look at likely voters. there were people who stayed home because they didn't like trump or biden. now these folks have felt the effect of the biden policies and democrats as a whole and they have something to say

about it. when we are talking about these issues there has to be a consistent tone as to what has happened. a lot of times people forget about the problems that people have faced and been caused by the biden administration and people will let their voices be heard for the mid-terms. i don't think it will look too good for democrats. i want to be honest. >> harris: if you want to stop somebody you put up a wall of opposition to that person. the more seats republicans pick up and particularly a majority in the house and/or senate it does what you are talking about. not that you have two candidates and a president to go against each other. you have local politicians you might be able to put up the firewall against the president. let's move. crime is plaguing democrat led philadelphia again always. murders there ticking up slightly. already 388 murders so far this year. all violent crimes up 7% over last year. the city's district attorney is facing a recall effort over the

crisis. the issue of crime playing a big part in the key pennsylvania senate race. democrat candidate john fetterman you see here has said some things about criminals and now his campaign is doing some damage control. last year that lieutenant governor pushed for eliminating life without parole for some prisoners convicted of second degree murder. he tweeted mercy must be a partner to justice. his campaign telling fox yesterday he believes there are people who deserve to spend the rest of their life in prison for the crimes they've committed but the decision to do this should be left to the judges and parole boards not politicians in harrisburg. gianno. >> this reminds me of what they are doing in the state of illinois with safety act where they will eliminate cash bail. the first state in the country to eliminate cash bail including second degree murder. mr. fetterman has opened a pandora's box that will haunt him. people want those who have killed, murdered their family

members to remain in jail. i have think he needs to watch himself when he is talking about these weighty issues that impact people's lives when we see a crime spree across the country and in philadelphia where a lot of african-americans live and where those people would be impacted by this get out of free jail card for second degree murder. >> harris: leslie. >> it's interesting that gianno brought up the victims. in the program that would affect 1,200 individuals that fetterman was talking about and back pedaled in recent days. this program would actually include decisions among victims' families. there are some victims' families more so in the african-american community who were the victim and the perpetrator both african-american and the perpetrator was a youth. they feel if there has been remorse -- >> harris: we have to go. if that's such a great idea why

is fetterman and his team backing away from this right before the election real quick. >> i didn't say it was a great idea. >> harris: you were talking in detail as if it were. if he wants to let these people with second degree murders and that's not the fact. the fact is >> harris: you are supporting it? why would you lay that out and why fetterman would deny it's a good idea and having his team defend? i think it's a pertinent question. good to see you on the panel. vice president kamala harris has a new assignment ahead of the mid-term elections. she isn't done with the last one. the border is open. i digress. critics are asking how it's all going with all of those jobs. plus will he or won't he? >> he already has so much rancor and so much rejection from members of his own party.

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>> president biden: we still have a problem with covid and doing a lot of work on it but the pandemic is over. no one is wearing masks and everybody seems to be in pretty good shape. >> harris: maybe you want to shake his pockets to get my taxpayer money. the pan shall -- >> the headline asking is the pandemic over or not? the white house's top doctor, anthony fauci with this. >> we're not where we need to be if we're going to be able to quote, live with the virus, because we know we're not going to eradicate it. we only did that with one

virus, smallpox. >> harris: he is talking around it. chad pergram live on capitol hill. in my head i can see people around the president going, no dude, it is not. those who think like fauci. >> harris, baseball legend yogi berra declared it ain't over until it's over. president biden may have said the pandemic is over but democrats aren't buying it and they're now cleaning up. >> president biden said the pandemic is over. he did not say covid is extinguished. covid-19 will be endemic for years to come. >> i think what the president was trying to say the worst of the pandemic is over. >> an effort by democrats to load tens of billions onto a spending bill this month to help with the pandemic. that could be a problem because of mr. biden's remarks. >> the president saying the pandemic is over is just kind of mind-boggling. he wants tens of billions for

covid and he says the pandemic is over. >> gop votes are likely necessary to advance an interim spending bill stocked with covid aid by the end of the month to avoid a shutdown. democrats are trying to justify covid spending in light of the president's statement. >> republicans have to assess the question of an infectious disease and the issue of public health. public health demands that we go forward with the request the president is making because what we have now is not what we'll have tomorrow. >> gop north carolina senator richard burr wrote to the president asking for administration policies that don't align with his statement. republicans believe the president wants to change the narrative about covid before the mid-terms. >> harris: he better hurry up. 49 days. thank you, chad. tyrus is in "focus" now. fox nation host and co-host of

gutfeld. your top line thoughts on the president laying this out as if the pandemic were over. >> whenever you get president biden away from that book of answers, you never know what you are going to get. he said the pandemic was over. the president of the united states says the pandemic was over and then within seconds of it coming out they started saying. i couldn't catch his name but literally said he is meanty -- or just off his thing. i don't know who is running the show. clearly the president is not because they say -- he said the pandemic is over. why are people not allowed to go back to work and teachers getting fired and why is he wearing masks outside at an event with something to do with progressive agends. this is the problem. 49 days we have to get things done. fauci when he says we, it's always him and us. he can't let it go because then he wouldn't be interviewed

anymore. >> harris: the president is definitely in charge and if this is what we're getting, this disconnect. you say you want to know who is running things. if this is what we're getting imagine the frustration behind the scenes. they are constantly cleaning up. they had to clean up on taiwan. he actually flouted long-term u.s. history with regard to taiwan and wanting independence and it could be dangerous. >> he also spit in the face of ukraine. russia is a bigger threat? we dare not cross russia but no problem crushing china? he just says things. that book of answers. maybe whatever group is writing the book of answers, we see it in press conferences. she won't look up from it. >> harris: oh, the binder. >> whenever you get the president away from that binder we hear things like this. when we hear things like that wow, good news. they are quick to tell us no, no. >> harris: that very same

interview president biden said this about his reelection bid potentially. >> president biden: my intentions as i said to begin with is that i would run again. it is an intention. is it a firm decision that i would run again? that remains to be seen. >> mr. president, you are the oldest president ever. >> pretty good shape, huh? >> harris: a new report says california governor newsom is running for president in 2024 if biden doesn't. hum. tyrus. >> his opening sentence was an incomplete sentence. he used begun like past tense. i was already confused. the book wasn't there. i don't know this to be true but my gut feeling is i always feel like the kamala/biden deal was made. he would run for one and setting her up to run afterwards. >> harris: he said he wouldn't run more than one term but

didn't mention her. >> that was the deal with the progressives. she blatantly blamed her for ruining her childhood basically and they don't get along. my gut feeling is that was the deal and now it looks like things haven't got that well for kamala and newsom is next. a newsom/harris ticket. he definitely made a deal and can't say -- >> dana: two people from california, one of them her could not get a single delegate when she ran last time. >> no. biden bothers me so much because he was a moderate and he beat the progressives. and as soon as he gets in he lays down for the progressives. it boggles my mind. >> harris: two people gavin and kamala harris would be a progressive dream. speaking of kamala harris she gets another assignment. she has been tasked with

jazzing young voters and voters of color ahead of the mid-terms. she will visit wisconsin and south carolina. border czar and police reform. oh, the border is in shambles. thousands of police officers are leaving forces in the american cities across our great country. tyrus. >> yes, another speaking engagement for the v.p. on the gutfeld show i played bong owes behind her speeches because she talks like she is doing poetry. jazz might be a little fast but she hasn't done very well in the speaking department. and again unless it will be children actors like the last time she was jazzing up the young group this is probably destined for failure. >> harris: before i let you go i want to spend a little bit of time talking about where she really is, though. what kind of support would there be for a vice president

who doesn't have a box to check right now? >> she is in a bad situation. i don't think she -- whenever you have so much animosity with somebody that you are working with, president biden does a lot to leave her out there. they put her in charge of jobs they know they aren't going to actually support. send her to the border as a czar knowing they won't make any changes. if she jazzes up a few votes mission accomplished. if they lose it is not his fault but her fault. so they are working against each other. that's the problem. and we suffer. >> harris: you are always a step ahead. >> i try to be. >> harris: i have to wear the belt. >> you have to earn it. >> harris: you don't think i can? i'm about love. i don't know if i could fight. good to see you. >> always a pleasure. thank you for having me. >> harris: sharing something new with all of you. testimonies that faith still moves mountains. i write about faith and the

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