>> harris: president biden is about to get a briefing from fema, search and rescue operations are underway in florida for thousands of people trapped inside their homes and a clear picture beginning to emerge of the catastrophic damage ian left behind. the flooding dangers now still ahead. hello, everyone, this is "outnumbered," i'm harris faulkner here with kayleigh mcenany, joining us today is

dagen mcdowell, amy and hegseth is here. forecasters say tropical storm ian will likely -- -- regain hurricane strength. it will pick up more power. hour by hour you have been

showing so many different things as the sun has been able to come out and give a good visual on this, where are you now? >> i'm at a marina just outside of downtown fort myers, i'm standing on top of so much debris, the water is keeping me afloat. there is wood, stirofoam, boats thrown around like toys, you see here, there are life jackets and you name it, it is peer, powerful wind and storm surge that push around incredible vessels like they are nothing, they are twisted and snapped? are upside down, many have rammed into each other, just noise people described from last night. saying when this occurred, this looked like dominos, concrete

piers were ripped apart and two or three blocks from here, the storm surge coming in on historic downtown fort myers making roads and beautiful quaint streets who rivers and meanwhile, last night and while this was being destroyed, debris was flying through the air, roofs coming undone, trees were becoming projectiles, power was blowing up on the sides of the streets and now here we stand with no power, no running water. helicopters above with the coast guard monitoring for people that need help. 12 miles down the show on the gulf of mexico, barrier islands are decimated and we'll head down there to see for ourselves. that is where i started yesterday on fort myers beach, we left when the surge came in, we knew if we stayed, we would

be in peril and our vehicles will be destroyed. we came up here to see this right now. many people stranded and we do not have a number on casualties, as desantis warned us to be cautious on numbers, they are assessing from air and ground. this is historic. >> harris: governor ron desantis has been telling people to stay put until the professionals came out. you gave us part of the story we haven't talked about, people in the structures and some structures were built up to cat five, in naples, the fire department was built up to category 5, that doesn't account for the surge that comes in, that is what took out that fire department, which went viral, they were wading in chest high

water. people in high rises, how did they fare? and looking at naples right now as we put on the screen, unbelievable what the water can do. the structures are ready for the wind and rain, not ready for the surge. how did high rise do on the lower floor with the surge? >> robert: a prime example as i walk over here to give you another view of the disruption, there is a 32-story high rise you can't see from here and it will be impossible for our camera to go because of the debris field in the trees, but 32 stories, highest highrise in fort myers, i talked to a former airline pilot a couple hours ago that said this is the worst weather system he's seen and he's been on every continent. to hear from someone who knows weather, pilot, he said his building made for -- he did say

the lower floors are fine, in the basement where vehicles are took a bunch of sand and that is what we'll see in the highrises in fort myers and down into naples. same thing and so many, in fact all of them, are without power, there is one called the dunes off vand bilt beach, my inlaws live there, they have been out of power since yesterday 8:30 a.m. up and down this beautiful coast, people reeling right now. if you're alive, that's a good thing, at this point, search and rescue is out. >> harris: i'm joined by my co-host, kayleigh mcenany, that thes it, if you are alive, that's the blessing. >> kayleigh: that is what it is all about, property can be

fixed. a family member memorabilia can't be replaced, property can, your family cannot. you and i talked about this yesterday and i heard the met say a lot of deaths will happen in the aftermath and i heard the governor say the same thing. people desperately want to go back to their homes, my family has been told not to go back home yet heed the warnings and governor desantis pulled numbers and after irma, 77 died in the aftermath, andrew, 39 indirect deaths, a man falling from an apartment window while trying to remove tape, another man, screen had been cut loose and he walked through it, a fire raged because of a candle burning. it is still dangerous, as we go about recovery efforts, be very

careful, danger is not over yet. >> harris: we want to thank robert ray and as news warrants, we can bring him back. one thing i want to ask amy robert about, for peopled in their homes we are not high tide yet. storm comes in, high tide was a nightmare. they are saying it will take two tidal cycles for the water to recede, if you're in a house and the water reached the roof and you have a little space to breathe in the attic, this is like new orleans, you got to get on top of the house for the next tidal point. >> kayleigh: in fort myers, top surge in history and not only did it get top spot, it demolished the second place, by three feet. surge was unbelievable in fort myers, up one to three feet, just applying to the tide cycle. the storm moved to the other coastline, we have warnings in place.

this is not over, serious and destructive storm, latest forecast coming out shows it could reintensify from tropical storm status to hurricane, think about when the storm can go into open water, reintenseification, rapid intensification means the storm gets strong fast, that happened before it approached western coastline in florida, we don't expect it to get that strong before it makes it to the carolinas, certainly can increase in intensity. people have to pay attention. >> harris: two quick follow-up questions to you, one issue the water is warm on the atlantic side this time of year. it does have ability to feed intensity and up north, the water begins to will coo, in the 40s at night along this part of the atlantic and the hudson river. the question i want to ask, will the storm get any smaller?

it is so massive when it moves inland, it goes across a peninsula, of a state. will it do that in south carolina? >> florida-georgia line, on the beaches -- harris i have. >> that is true, we have warmer water to tap into, the wind sheer and upper level of the atmosphere will start to rip apart the storm, diminishing the strength. going on land will bring the storm down in intensity, it doesn't mean it doesn't have capability to create massive flooding. geography tends to lend itself, smaller surge can do a lot of damage. smaller size of the storm, it was so big, it could shrink in size, we've seen the north edge produce a lot of water and we're trending toward that and that pulled it up the coastline. a lot of science to support, powerful storm that will not fall apart when it makes

landfall in . >> harris: dagen. >> dagen: this weather event, the "wall street journal" writing about this at length and pastor of the baptist church east of port charlotte in charlotte county said for a lot of people this is initiation week. punta gorda, in charlotte county, the metropolitan area was fourth fastest growing area in the entire country from 2020 to 2021, july of both years, fort myers sixth fastest growing city during those years, tens of thousands of people who have never had to prepare for this type of hurricane or storm and in particular when you -- people sometimes have never experienced it, don't understand why someone would try to hufrpger down and

stay in their home, but charlotte county is one of the oldest counties in the country in terms of age. median age is over 60, just last year, so a lot of times and you have seen elderly individuals being carried out of their homes just in some video we've had, it is because it is very hard to move them. families are concerned about putting them in a shelter where they might not get the best of c care. that will be some of what we see in the coming hours and days. >> harris: i saw you nodding to that, shelters are a last resort, but they are a place for people to go to, but if you have needs like dagen is explaining, it is a place to go hunker while the storm goes by. >> pete: they are not always an option for a lot of people, ask your neighbors, talk to your

neighbors about what to do, but amy, to your point, this is twice the size of storm surge that happened before. your neighbor may say this is what it looks like and then it was twice that. no one was prepared for this unprecedented nature and we talk about the wind, but it is the water. it was the middle of the night, talking about search and rescue and survivors that is why we should be sending up a lot of prayers right now, this maximum storm surge in the middle of the night at historic levels with a lot of people who haven't faced it before and maybe thought they were prepared and did everything, the water was more than anyone thought. >> dagen: fort myers was on the edge of the cone, when you see that cone, everybody in that cone is in danger, but if you're outside the cone, you are okay, that is not necessarily the science. the cone is the low pressure

center, the center of the storm and can go furthest to the east or west of the cone, but the storm itself can have impact well outside the cone, something to remember. not looking at center down the line of the average there, that is cone of forecast, what could ha happen. if you're in the cone, pay special attention, outside the cone can be impanthed. >> harris: way outside the cone, look at jacksonville, bracing for flooding they haven't seen for decades because existing lakes and rivers are already inundated. >> dagen: in carolinas people across the mid-atlantic region, i date myself, where i grew up near the blue ridge mountains, camille hit and it moved up and gathered and caused catastrophic

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>> harris: still 70 mile per hour winds, tropical storm ian pounding florida and a 500-year flooding event now.

here are new images of hurricane ian's destruction. they continue to come into us. in southwest florida, sanibel island took historic hit, severing the bridge that connects the island to the mainland and washed away the only path in and out for vehicles, they're stuck. here is what it looks like now, folded up like an accordion and most under water, sand and debris. nicole valdez is live in tampa, nicole. >> harris, good afternoon issue those images are hard to see, i will tell you we are in the tampa bay area today an area that seems to have been spared from the worst of hurricane ian, however, i want to point out unique impact to tampa bay itself, you can see below me,

something our meteorologist described as reverse storm surge effect, instead of hurricane ian pushing this water on to shore, and into the homes and businesses behind me, it sucked it out deeper into the bay, leaving a lot of dry patches you see here below me, a lot less water yesterday afternoon as hurricane ian was making landfall, now we have seen the water levels start to rise issue but tampa bay has been absolutely spared and people here are grateful, especially seeing the devastation including fort myers, cape coral and now the orlando area. evacuation orders lifted and emergency order here is over and now officials are working to send resources in this area down to southwest florida to those who need it, harris. >> harris: thank you so much, just looking at that, it will take a couple tidal cycles for the water to come back in and be more incremental than a storm

surge, that was a blessing for the people there. president biden is about to get a briefing at fema headquarters, we showed you that moments ago, he is drawing criticism for attending political fundraiser last night. 7 p.m., we knew what was going on with hurricane ian and that was making landfall and indescribable ways as we are seeing in pictures and he was at the democratic governors in dc fundraiser. the argument, people can do two things at once, what was he doing besides raising money for democrats? >> pete: raising money for democrats, . the governor in florida is all over this, that is the easiest reschedule i have ever seen, you see it coming, it is going to be catastrophic and the visual of

what a president does in this moment does count and you can think of the flip side, had it been donald trump or someone else, the level of hysteria that would have been palling around with rich folks in washington while this happens. he has people capable of that and there is maximum accord nagsz, someone should have said not happening tonight. >> harris: when pres secretary, karine jean-pierre was asked about it, she said no changes to his schedule. >> pete: you should be able to walk and chew gum at the same time, it is not clear this president can do one of those things at one time. >> harris: unfortunate timing, just a few hours before that optic was the gaffe, seeking to speak to a woman who was deceased, one of the sponsors of

the bill they were signing yesterday, the timing is awkward. >> kayleigh: the timing is awkward, i went with president trump to fema during hurricane laura, same day as his convention speech, it was tough time for us, we did have to go to fema to be briefed on hurricane laura, which at that time hit louisiana, was in a tropical storm and moving to other states. we made the decision give the convention speech and go to louisiana and arkansas over the weekend, so there are decisions that have to be made. timing of it happening exactly when the hurricane damage is happening and rhetoric he used, according to notes he said this is not your father's republican party, biden spoke to maga republicans, tore them down, many homes were destroyed, the homes are maga republicans and he is tearing them down as they

are incurring horrific storm damage. if you choose a political event, choose wisely your words, especially on wheels of a painful gaffe, like you mentioned. >> harris: easy nature of being able to change that. dagen, before we move on, governor desantis, many politicians in florida said let's leave the politics aside and work together on this beast. started coming ashore 11 a.m. eastern, by 7:00 last night, people were in peril, those trying to hunker down, were in hell. >> dagen: right. governor desantis showed earlier today, incredible command of just florida, of knowing florida, of interstates, what was open. it was really incredible to watch, when you juxtapose that with a president who couldn't

remember that a congresswoman was killed last month and her staff -- >> harris: and calling her out of the audience, i guess she doesn't want to come up here. >> dagen: he also went after oil companies, he said the small temporary impact is no excuse for price increases at the pump, i will ask officials to look into whether price gouging is going on, never misses chance to castigate businesses and lack of understanding of gas stations and who owns them, 60's % are owned by mom and pop operations, instead of president empathy, we get president apathy orran tip athy. >> harris: forecasters say ian could become a hurricane again before making second landfall, the left seems to be focused on playing politics with the storm.

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>> harris: ian is on the move in states like georgia and the carolinas have declared states of emergency ahead of the storm. while the governors are preparing for the storm, it seems the left is playing politics with it and using the disaster as an opportunity to push their climate agenda. >> you know more are coming, we'll be dealing with this as a nation going into the future, if we can't get climate under control. >> this is what climate scientists have been warning about and we are seeing it upclose. >> what effect is climate change having on this phenomena, the storms are -- >> i don't think you can link cloo climate -- >> something is causing them to

intensify. >> i saw the don lemon moment and he just got lectured by royal expert on history and didn't turn out well. the experts said to him, we can't link a specific storm to that, but yet don lemon doubles back trying to push his ideology on the expert and tries to end it all by saying i grew up there, it is just amazing and this is before the storm hit. it is not a moment for politics or agenda. >> good on the director of national hurricane center, we want to have a discussion, we can at some point and we will probably disagree issue but not now. they can't resist the moment, it is present-ism or moment-ism, this has to be the worst moment, intensifying and has to be climate change. the problem is, it is always the default, but it is not always

right employees hotter, colder, wetter, dryer, it is not as bad, it is climate change, you are making a religious argument. >> senator klobuchar talked about the inflation reduction act, she had to this say. >> we just did something about climate change for first time in decades, we have to win this as that hurricane bears down on florida, win in the midterm. >> harris, that was a moment. >> harris: i've interviewed her many times, amy klobuchar, she's very bright, when you get caught up in the moment over politics and the most copious thing is to say stop hurricanes with legislation, you couldn't stop inflation with something called

inflation reduction act, forgive the world if we don't believe what is coming out of your mouth anymore. it is unfortunate, some politicians have good ideas, i don't know if any of them can stop a hurricane. >> kayleigh: that is right, it is like the paris climate accord, we withdraw and hurricanes began issue the largest hurricane was in 1935. >> to make reference, i've lived in florida and it is getting worse, unless he is 100 years old, more hurricanes hitting florida than present day, you would have thought it was armageddon, we did not live on the coastline, it has to do with perspective. look at the storms that happened and what is occurring, that is important when you want to use information around environmental change, number in science and

what is happening in the land they are happening on and the other big thing, yes, the change is occurring, the ocean was 88 to 90 degrees we see warmer sea surface temperatures, that can apply to a storm that is bad and make it worse, a different argument to have. dagen. >> dagen: these talking heads go on and repeat what they hear at a congressional hearing on climate misinformation. michael shellenberger says experts claimed hurricanes are becoming more frequent and new york is moving away from national gas, new york is increasing use of natural gas and oil and scientists at national ocean graphic and aeronautic administration predicted 25% decrease in atlantic hurricane and tropical storms. >> never let a crisis go to waste, what this crisis comes

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central florida with punishing winds and historic rain. new video shows rescue crews evacuating nursing center overflash flood concerns. even walt disney world couldn't escape the wrath, guests have been told to shelter in place. in arkansas, families are stranded and shared their experience on "fox and friends first" earlier today. >> we're making it so far, we have hopefully one full day stuck in the hotel room before we can venture out again. it is really windy, i stuck my head out a little while ago, it

was really windy, can't see as much rain where we are at. we are on the inside in an alcove, we are not getting wind and rain right at our room, we are lucky not to have that worry. >> kayleigh: let's go to brandy campbell, in kissimmee, florida. brandy. >> good afternoon, i want to paint a picture for you, howling wind, phones going off from emergency alerts warning of flash flooding and this morning first responders were coming to situations like this. homes flooded. cars also flooded. and having to rescue people in this area, just over 50 people rescued and taken to a local high school. about five minutes away, over 100 people also rescued.

we might not to be on the coast, this shows in central location of the state, hurricanes can be devastating. back to you. >> kayleigh: amy, that is a real risk, i've been in a flash flood before, you get an alert on the phone, a minute or two and the water comes. in kissimmee, a lot of floridians went inland to orlando and you are there and flash flooding comes and speaks to enormity of the storm. >> 500 miles away from where the storm made landfall, we are seeing two feet of rain. in orlando area, we've been measuring records, daily record, more than a month's rain in one day, we've had three inch per hour, eshg normous amount of water being squeezed.

it squeezed out the moisture, picking up the warm water and delivered it inland, devastating effect of flooding. there are 100 lakes in the orlando area, a lot of water and reservoirs to catch the water in a big storm like this, they could not handle the amount of water. >> kayleigh: harris, you said the storm was so big took over the coastline of a state. we talked about charley yesterday, it could fit in the eye of ian, as this moved to carolina, amy talked about the cone, that cone can shift. >> harris: that was a huge takeaway from what you were explaining earlier, amy issue just because you do not fall within the lines of a cone issue red box on radar, if you don't fit where trouble zone has been identified, it didn't mean you won't feel it, it matters what is happening outside of the

storm. i think that is where florida got caught and it is unfortunate they have had a really wet september. in areas like clearwater, trees were toppling from rainfall and high wind because the ground was so saturated. the mayor said, it is a nightmare, we have to bring in urban forestry to get the trees down so they are not falling on people's houses and to clear the roads as quickly as possible. gigantic trees were coming roots out, they were wet and weakened. >> kayleigh: we know across the fox platform 16 reporters and trees are number one problem trying to get from one location to the other, 2.6 million people without power, that is customers, remember more than one person in a customer household talking about millions without power, they can't go back out to fix those and can't

get crews out until 30 miles per hour or less. >> we've seen a great response from governor desantis, he's been on this long before the storm hit, the federal government saying reimburse you for next 30 days for nine counties, governor desantis saying expand that because of the damage. >> dagen: i wish we have a map to show where the teams come from, whether teams with power companies who come into the state to get the electricity back on. there is a small fuel company, foster fuel and my hometown of brookville, virginia, they send trucks into devastated areas, they are in the area before the storm hits to make sure they can get fuel to the first responders and anyone who needs to to refill the gas station when people can go out. when you talk about trees being down, that is why they tell

people to stay home, they are worried about people being electrocuted with the downed power line. >> harris: did you see the video going with the transformers catching fire and house or rooftop can catch fire and that is what we're see nothing sanibel island, houses are burning, many reasons what was going on there, you have open gas lines and you get a spark, one of the houses was burning the whole time dana and bill hemmer were on today. >> pete: that is why preparation is so important, prepositioned power trucks from florida and across the country, quicker you can clear it, quicker you can restore power and people can communicate. i have an aunt and uncle, i just learned from my dad, they just moved a month ago in the heart of it, we haven't heard from them in 24 hours.

hopefully they are okay, that is the uncertainty that will exist for days and for hours and days the longer this goes on. >> harris: cell towers, that whole thing. i will move to dagen's town in virginia, they have all the heroes. >> dagen: a lot of heroes, there are heroes everywhere in this great country. >> kayleigh: a lot of heroes in hurricane ian, too, to

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>> harris: bravery from 50 responders abound, this is more wind and waves in bonita springs sparked the amazing rescue of a group of samaritans, pulling an elderly man out of a flooding car. look at him. finally, a cameraman covering the story in florida jumped in to help. he put his camera down and ran into a flooded road, giving a

hand to families in distress: >> humanity is bravery, everything that we differ or we may think about particular issues, it all strips away. what can i do, what am i capable of doing to help other people and yet another reminder how important those people are to us. first responders, too many of us took for granted too often and they become forgotten, not in moments like this, you know who is willing to sign up and help you out and america is certainly known for those people. >> absolutely, reading about all the groups like those from your home in virginia, who were getting ready, 3 or 4 days ago to go down and be nearby, so when the storm eased up to move in they could. >> any of these first responders. they are not asking these individuals. who did you vote for. >> no. >> what party are you registered to? it's just all of that falls away

as indeed it should. and i think that florida is going to be a tighter community because of this, but because of so many people have moved to that great state, i own an apartment there, so i would live there full-time and be a resident if i could. probably a greater sense of camaraderie among floridians, come on down, move here the same reason we did, an incredible state. >> amy, one of the things we never talk about, the home whose homes are destroyed, the police officers, sheriff's deputies, emt, fire captains and i interviewed the fire chief in naples. and when the water receded, and it has not completely receded but enough to get the trucks out. they were up to the windows in the fire engine with surge and they went out before dawn to

save other people. >> these are people who both serve in their communities and live there. their families have been in jeopardy, they make sure it's taken care of to do the priority of their work. it happens across the country in storms everywhere where people have to sacrifice for their neighbors, sacrificing for the greater good, and it is really a jaw-dropping and a moment of pause to think about how people put aside some of their own personal interests to make everyone else safe. >> maybe i'm a little polyannaish, and people say the october surprise, let's let it be the love that burst out. >> absolutely. you know, the storms, or any tragedy, you see the magnifying glass on human nature and tempting to focus on the looters and the hucksters, but

outnumbers them are the good samaritans, and the cajun navy made 30 rescues before the storm was even over and the firefighters you mentioned, made 8 or 9 rescues and the water was going up, their thought was not the water in the fire station but rescuing more people and how this would inhibit them from doing so. >> amazing. we'll be right back.

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>> ongoing federal response efforts, just spoken to the team there and now to the nation. let's watch. >> entire workforce really matters, and they are helping survivors really in desperate need, and that's what we are doing as we focus on delivering help to the people directly impacted by hurricane ian. i'm going to use this. it made landfall yesterday and it is still, still moving across the state today. this could be the deadliest hurricane in florida's history. the numbers are still unclear,

but we are hearing early reports of what may be substantial loss of life. i have spoken with governors and the mayors and the commissioners, i've been on the phone with the governor this morning. i spoke with the commissioners and mayors and they are -- they are worried but every one of them are telling me what an incredible job is being done to save their cities, their towns, their counties, their ports, their bridges, etc. and in the face of serious danger, search-and-rescue operations got underway before dawn this morning for people stranded and who are in desperate shape. water rescue is critical. coast guard deployed 16 rescue helicopters, six fixed wing aircraft and 18 rescue boats and crews. that's just one element of the many search and rescue teams that