>> at least your tesla didn't blow up. >> that is all for us tonight you have to dvr the show and you've got to watch tucker carlson. kanye west is on. always remember one thing. i am watters and this is my world. ♪ ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight," kanye west, now known as ye is one of the best-selling musical artists in the world, celebrated and very highly paid fashion designer. for decades he was well-known to tv audiences as a in law of the kardashian fame. it was his latest incarnation as a christian evangelist that brought us to his office for the

interview you're about to see. days ago during fashion week west accompanied by his friend candace owens unveiled a t-shirt that said simply "white lives matter" the response from the fashion industry was instantaneous and uniform. shock, horror, rage. there was no excuse for this fund or "the new york times," he is legitimizing extremism, treat rolling stone. what was missing from the coverage was an explanation for why he did this, what was the t-shirt about? and no one seemed to think to ask him much less listen to what he had to say. the enemies of ideas dismissed west as they have four years as mentally ill, too crazy to take seriously. look away, ignore him, he's a mental patient -- nothing to see here. is he crazy? you can judge for yourself as you watch what we are about to show you. he has his own ideas, we can say that -- creative people tend to that's why they are artists not

actuaries periods social media posts give the impression of a man channeling his rawest emotions right on instagram. it's often used as ammunition against him in the battle for influences over america's young people. but crazy? that was not our conclusion. we have rarely heard a man >> so honestly and so movingly about what he believes. again, you can judge for yourself -- here is. you just came from paris fashion week, what is that? >> is a photograph of a babies ultrasound? >> tucker: you design that. what does that mean? >> it represents life, i'm pro-life. >> tucker: you wear it on a badge, what kind of response do you get? >> i don't care about people response as i care about the fact that there is more black

babies being aborted then born in new york city at this point. 50% of black death in america is abortion. i don't care about people's response, i perform for an audience of one and that is god. >> tucker: i'm starting to see why they want to make you be quiet. when did you start to feel this way, when did you realize this? >> i think i started to really feel this need to express myself on another level when trump was running for office and i liked him. him and every single person in hollywood from my ex-wife to my mother-in-law to my manager at that time to my so-called friends and handlers around me told me that if i said i liked trump that my career would be over, my life would be over. they said stuff like people get

killed for wearing a hat like that, they threatened my life. they basically said i would be killed for wearing the hat. i had someone call me last night and said anybody wearing a white lives matter shirt is going to be green lit and that means they're going to beat them up if they wear it. i'm like green light needed to. god builds warriors in a different way. i don't know if it's because of me being born in atlanta and growing up on the south side of chicago, he made me for such a time like this. it's like with david. he tended to the sheep but while he was out there he had to fight all kinds of animals. when it was time for goliath to come he thought because he was a sheepherder that he didn't have the skill set to take down goliath and the thing that i have some of the position that i

have, my heart -- but the number one thing is we have god on our side. even if you don't believe in god, god believes in you. >> tucker: you made reference to the white lives matter t-shirt which you brought out at paris fashion week. why did you do that and what did it mean? >> i do certain things from a feeling, i just channel the energy it feels right. hits using a gut instinct, connection with god and just brilliance. they asked tonya harding how she did the triple flip and she was in so much practice that when it was time for her to skate in a competitive format it just happened. it happened outside of practice that happened in the real fo

format. that's what's happening. god is preparing us for the real battles. we are in a battle with the media. the majority of the media has a godless agenda and they are like ye is crazy -- they don't work because the media have also watched travesties happen, even specifically to me. just watch it and act like it wasn't happening and they stay quiet about it. i want to answer -- i feel like someone called what i was saying the comparison of tonya harding to white lives matter. my dad is an educated ex-black panther and he put a text to me today and he said white lives matter, hahaha. i thought it was funny, the idea

of me wearing it was funny and i said why do you think it's funny? and he said just a black man stating the obvious. my dad doesn't listen to rap music, he's super educated, we opened up a water distribution center in the dominican republic together. he's like the original steve jobs. but he was getting blocked every which way with all of his ideas and he didn't have an endless bank account and he didn't have instagram, all these ideas he had to take them back and compress them. my dad is the most brilliant person that i know and we actually have a strained relationship because i was taken from him because my mom was an actress so she was a liberal. my dad would see certain things and say we should do it this way, we should do it that way and the people around my mom and

pulled her away much like kim is a christian but she has people who want her to go to interview magazine and put her ass out while she's a 40 something-year-old billionaire with multiple black children and that's how they want to present her. you give you these questions and i give you the three-part answers, is this a cool format for you? >> tucker: i am following you. you said your father said it's great to see a black man stating the obvious. by which i think you meant that's obviously true. >> that was my favorite response because i kept thinking, people are looking for an explanation and people say as an artist you don't have to give an explanation but as a leader you do. >> tucker: i think that's right. speak of the answer to why i

wrote white lives matter on a shirt is because they do. it's the obvious thing. >> tucker: yeah. why do you think that's -- i assume the implication, all lives matter because they are lives and god created them, why do you think that would be considered controversial? >> because the same people that have stripped us of our identity and labeled us as a color have told us what it means to be black. in the vernacular that we are supposed to have. my dad grew up as a military brat and his family moved around but they are based mostly in delaware and at the time, if they weren't the only black family, they were one of the f few.

he would be discriminated against because he was black, by the time he got into college he would be discriminated against, he went to a black college, he would be discriminated against because they said he talked to white and then he played the kick drum in the band, when he would go to the club and the music was playing where he clapped his hands? with the kick drum -- is the opposite of everyone else. this is the most elegant and tasteful person that i know and when the school suggested -- what they do is take the black community and they separate us, they separate the families and the educated, they push this need for higher education, us as

blacks we discriminate against each other and say i got my phd you don't have your phd i'm better than you. my mom had her phd and she was influenced to move to the south side of chicago, take this job at chicago state university she told my dad if you come for us you will never see him again. the media ridiculed me for getting the house next door to kim to see my children and they even said i was stalking her and her new boyfriend because i bought the house next door to see my children. that's how i knew my mom had said that to him, i said they moved us to one of the most -- agreed upon to be one of the most dangerous places in the world. it's almost like they tried to kill me or something. i said why didn't you ever come to get us?

that's when he told me that she was told that. so many things are put in kim's head to. bring influencers like no one ever knew were cory gamble came from, no one knows where he came from -- these people were practically made in a laboratory in my opinion. one of the things they're really good at doing is being nice and being likable. what they do is for people who have some form of influence whether it's an educated black woman like my mother that became the head of the english department at chicago state university or whether it's the most influential white woman on the planet being my ex-wife, they have people that are around them at all times telling them what to be afraid of. not what to do or say, want to be afraid of and if you have a

person that isn't afraid of them -- like russell brand or candace owens -- is not that we have to agree. >> tucker: they are not afraid. >> they aren't afraid to state with her opinion is. everyone has an opinion. >> tucker: a conversation like this is a window into a world that you don't see, so if you are familiar with west from the media, you think of him as an individual man. what you don't think about is that he is at the center of a battle and people like him are at the center of a battle to get a message out. mouth by the lips of influencers like him and so many others that extends a story line on behalf of the status quo. there are a lot of people vying to make certain that people like him say the right things.

the consequences for not doing that are severe. for him to come out and say all lives matter obviously is a huge threat to a lot of people, who are those people exactly? we asked him and he told us, that is next. ♪ ♪

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♪ ♪ >> tucker: if the average person goes on social media and expresses unapproved thoughts it's a problem for the people in charge, if you keep doing it they will silence you and that has happened to countless people. if you were to have 18 million followers on instagram and express unapproved thoughts that wouldn't just be a problem for the people in charge it would be a flat-out emergency. you are not reading the script and you might lead others astray, you are an apostate,

dangerous, you're a witch. that is effectively where the artist formerly known as kanye west, now called a ye west finds himself tonight, he will not be controlled. in one of the most poignant moments of our exchange he was shocked to discover after becoming one of the most successful and richest people in the country he still wasn't free to say what he thought. and that changed his life. more of our conversation with west now. >> there's a group mob. it's like liberal nazis who will attack you. everyone said and it went towards your friend. this gabby girl and gigi and they would've never said anything negative and less they got okay from conde nast, unless they got the okay from anna.

they would've never got the okay to comment. let's talk about specifically. >> tucker: these are people who are attacking you for your t-shirt. >> it was a setup. it started off as -- it started off as them having this black girl comment and to say i felt traumatized when i saw this t-shirt. a black girl saying i felt traumatized when i saw a black man wearing something he wasn't allowed to wear. it's like in django was on top of the horse and samuel jackson says he's not supposed to be on top of the horse. i said i don't like your boots. you're not a fashion person. and then people started to say i was a bully.

it was a set up and they finally got hit because i eliminated the blm officer. and then i got out of the gap deal and one by one by one, i have been winning these battles. they thought they had me. they had the idea that ye was bullying -- what i think the liberal term is a body goals black woman. let's talk about gabby and my good friend lizzo. she works with my trainer, when she loses 10 pounds and announces it, the bots -- that's a term for, telemarketer collars on instagram attacker for losing weight because the media wants to put out a perception that

being overweight is the new goal when it's actually unhealthy. aside from the fact whether it's fashion and vogue, or if someone thinks it's attractive, to each his own. it's actually clinically unhealthy. for people to promote that, it's demonic. >> tucker: i've noticed this also, why do you think they would want to promote unhealthy nests among the population? >> its of the black race. they want to kill us in any way they can. planned parenthood was made by margaret sanger with the kkk and i believe that if we saw ourselves as -- if we saw ourselves as a people and not a

race, then we would treat our people better. if you go to a jewish person and say a race it almost gets confusing, they will cut you off quickly and say we are not a race, we are people. our people are just supposed to say say it loud i'm black and i'm proud -- what about, do you own the land you're living in? do you own -- is the contract in a language that's possibly understandable for your her heritage? in america we will down each other on how good we speak but we are speaking english. there's nothing whiter than english, we are not in our native tongue actually. we judge each other on white goal lines, not based on exactly what our culture is based on.

>> tucker: you can agree or disagree but it's pretty clear what you just heard is not the approved script. famous people must read from the approved script or else the whole system falls apart because then people might be encouraged to think for themselves and once you do that it's a chain reaction. someone like kanye must be controlled, he was surprised to learn after his divorce that his former wife had in fact a close and secretive relation with the clintons, they were working on her to influence him to read from the script, pretty amazing, he was shocked by it and so were we, that's next.

>> tucker: the first indication that west might become a massive problem for the industrial deception complex

came in 2016 and 2015 when trump appeared and west had a strong gut reaction to him that was positive and the people around him were panicked by this. the last thing you could have as one of the most popular pop culture figures in america coming out for donald trump. they applied intense pressure to get him back on the script and his former wife was a part of that, kim kardashian who now west now learned had a very close relationship with the clintons and people around the clintons. he had no idea. his relationship with trump flourished and he got a window into the people around trump. in this clip you will hear him assess what happened inside the white house, very interesting -- watch. >> it was interesting, friend of mine told me that chris and kim had called him because he had influence inside the black community. and had called him to say, to

get him to influence people to take the vaccination. and i don't have opinion on that i just wanted to state that as a statement. it was wild that i didn't know how close my own wife was to the clintons -- i didn't know, i didn't realize it at the time. >> tucker: you are married to her. >> i was married to her. >> how close was she to the clintons? >> cell phone away or tell ye to say this or use your platform to push the vaccination away. >> tucker: do you feel at times you were manipulated by political forces through your

wife. >> attempted manipulation, me not saying i liked trump was a form of manipulation. >> tucker: for sure. why did you like him? you said you liked him early. >> i keep telling this joke, if people keep saying he was the first black president i'm going to be the first latino president because all of the values the conservative values lineup. he says [bleep] -- he has his own buildings, what are you talking about? he made ivanka. >> tucker: you like ivanka. >> yeah. >> tucker: you wrote a post on instagram about her husband today. >> yeah, i had a dinner with ivanka, jared, and josh. a couple days later i found out

that josh had a 10% of scams which is a line i had developed with kim and i had a lot of issues with the imagery -- i felt like there's a lot of imagery that was openly sexualized and things i want want to see my wife and definitely not my daughters doing in the future in order to sell product. it reaches another level when it's like this is what my wife is doing, this is what they are doing -- this is what she is doing for our children. it reaches another level in her business partners are selling pieces of company they don't have to because the company is already successful. internet based company, they are really just selling off the company in order to create more relationships for themselves that are unneeded. it's like when i went to the gap

and they shoveled it out -- i'm very cautious with my words. i'm really big on being able to have an adult conversation in front of the children. i don't use explicit language in interviews especially. i found out after this dinner that josh kushner had 10% of scams and i had 5% and regardless if he figured out how to put $150 million -- i'm sure it wasn't out of his own account but 150 million and i'm sure jerrod still has a piece of that fund, regardless of them putting that money in, for me to have been an owner and not known just from a place as a creative where skims is so based on a lot of the ideas, then it's based on all of the relationships in

fashion because i had to use my relationships in fashion in order to establish kim in a way where fashionable people would say i'm down to where kim's line and these vcs come in and get a piece of it after the fact and they run around and say they have ownership. as a point on my instagram which luckily for everyone they can just write it off that i'm crazy until they see my disposition in this interview and then it's going to get scary. i said josh, what if i had 10% of carly costs' lingerie shape where swimsuit line and you have 5% of it and you didn't know? how would that make you feel?

and then after talking to them and really sitting with jared and sitting with josh and finding out other pieces of information i was like wow, these guys might have really been holding trump back and being a handler. they love to look at me or look at trump like we are so crazy and they are the businessmen. when i think about all of these things that jared doesn't get enough credit for with his work -- his work in israel, what is this, you know what he made peace treaties, you know the facts on this right here? >> israel and some of the other arab nations. >> i think it was to make money. is too heavy-handed to put in this platform? >> that is your opinion, we are not in the censorship business.

>> thank you. i think that's what they are about is making money, i don't think they have the ability to make anything on their own i think they were born into money. for me as a maverick and a talent and a person that has been beaten, kicked, lost everything, said to have lost my mind, went from pull myself up up from my boots to becoming a multibillionaire -- the price every year of my network goes down every year on forbes, they keep slowly taking it down every year. it's a weird thing. a person who has built something from nothing when i sit across the table from josh kushner and

he feels so entitled to that idea and this person has never brought anything of value other than being a good venture capitalist, i have a major issue with that. it makes me feel like they weren't serving my boy trump the way we could have. trump wanted nothing but the best for this country. moses stuttered. god isn't always going to bring the most perfect personality. a lot of times the most fake people, their job is talking and making people feel comfortable. and the realist people are going to make you feel uncomfortable at first. >> tucker: it's not shallow and it's also not crazy, it's true. whether you agree with it or n

not. west has thought a lot about politics and he thought a lot about what's going to happen in 2024, you hear that coming up. he's also close to elon musk which we did not know asked him off the cuff do you know elon musk? he's got a lot of thoughts on that too, that's next.

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♪ ♪ >> tucker: we told you we would be able to assess whether west was crazy as virtually every single media outlet on planet earth claims every day, all year long. is he crazy? as you try to assess that, ask is what you just heard over the past 40 minutes any crazier than what you see on television every day? of the lies, the lunacy presented to you with a straight face as reality -- is not crazy at all. he's a big thinker. we asked him about 2020 for what he plans to do and also about elon musk -- here it is. >> people with power try to make other people feel like they don't have any.

my power is through god. if someone ever says anything like you did a great job, praise god. atheists love the term narcissist, when you believe in yourself, they say it's narcissistic. i love the dynamic of how you compare, you show that there is still humanity even with the position god has placed me in. why did moses smite the rock, why did he get that frustrated? and just to be able to be gentle, to be more gentle -- god is alive -- look at this right here. look how quiet it is right now,

that's god, god is of order, the devil's of chaos. >> tucker: that is true. >> i want to talk about my potential run for 2024 and trump's potential run and the beloved ron desantis potential run for 2024, mayor suarez, potential run for 2024. they thought trump was a joke. for older white people quick to classify a black person only by the fact that we are black. even trump a person we consider to be a friend of mine when i went to the white house, i called him after that to get

aesop rocky out of jail. one of the things he said to me you're my friend when you came to the white house my black approval rating went up 40%. and for politicians, all black people are worth is an approval rating. the democrats feel they don't owe us anything and republicans feel they don't owe us anything. blacks have never demanded something for our vote and that's something i talked to ice cube about. what are we asking for, how do we change our lives? if all of our organizations and our colleges and even our title was made by white people, all of our jobs. black wall street, harlem after

gentrification, there's never been a fully black owned community where we have all the municipalities -- we need that. 90% of america is not even developed. i'm not one of the people that go up and say i want to stop anybody from making money. the people that make money and the powers that be, i am your true nikola tesla and i'm not even a scientist. >> tucker: what you think of elon musk, do you know him? >> very well. >> tucker: what's your take on him? >> you said that because i said tesla? >> tucker: first thing that popped -- >> everyone is like he's got these answers. i think he's a great team pl player. >> tucker: there's a lot more to come, a lot more.

we address specifically why did they call you crazy? he says as clearly as possibly, there are things that drive him crazy. jason whitlock who knows a lot about all of this joins us to assess what we just heard, we'll be right back.

so many fathers and mothers that go to work every day and they

are in a situation where they are biting their tongue because they think it will be better for their children. >> tucker: that's right. >> even in my position i was biting my tongue on my political opinion because i thought it would be better for my children. >> tucker: a lot more on that and what it did to him as a man living through it tomorrow night. first our friend jason whitlock the host of fearless joins us. what did you think of that? >> i thought a lot of things forgive me for doing this, i'm going to unpack all of this on my show tomorrow. find me at youtube.com. that is a man wrestling with his faith in god and wrestling with the fame that makes him money and makes him rich. throughout that interview tonight i heard a guy that's a devout christian and i heard a guy that is cursed with the disease of fame. it's underlined his ability to

be a good father, undermined his ability to be a good husband, undermined his happiness. he wants to be a christian and the things he said about his faith and wearing the lanyard with the ultrasound, all of that -- i love that about kanye west. it scares the heck out of the left to see someone like kanye west that popular, that influential. his skin color that has those christian values because that's what's really under attack. his christian values. it scares them, they don't want him to survive. in roots they got him out on a tree and whipping him, what's your name? they wanted him to say left-wing liberal and he won't say it. they keep whipping and slashing him and they are trying to make this man bow down to the liberal orthodoxy and they are doing it as a message to me and everybody

else. if you don't get in line with what we want you to think every black man, every heterosexual black man every black man with christian values we will eat you into a pulp. he's man enough to stand up, i wish more men were. >> tucker: what does that do to you to discover you can be one of the richest most famous people in the world and you don't have the simple right to say anything. >> what it does to kanye's make them realize the importance of god and his faith because that's the only protection you have. this is a demonic. everything the left preaches to black people -- you should be overweight. you should kill your babies in the womb. you should embrace a negative culture that teaches you to kill each other and disrespect each other. it's a deaf culture, its, it's demonic just like kanye west

said. i hope he wins his battle with fame because if he does he's a very important voice. >> tucker: how can you say you respect someone or a group of people if you don't allow them to reach their own conclusions about the world around them? if you respect the man you let him say his piece. >> it's clear as day the left doesn't respect black people we are being used as pawns in the demonic game they are playing. it sounds hyperbolic but it's just factual. it's a deaf culture, it's hostile to christian values. you have to throw them all out in order to serve their political movement, you have to be pro-abortion, you have to believe in the matriarchy and the disruption of the nuclear family. if you are a person of faith black, white, whatever -- if you

understand a biblical worldview -- family is at the heart of all of it and that's why kanye is so devastating because his family has been destroyed. his wife is eating from the forbidden fruit of feminism, the matriarchy, and the left's demonic culture. his family has been destroyed. any person with a layman's understanding of christian faith, family is at the heart of the structure, that is what god designed. this man's family has been ripped apart because his wife won't buy into his vision, she has been influenced by the clintons and the democratic left. these people have been bought and paid for. this man is paying a heck of a price, i'm proud of him. i go back and forth sometimes on kanye because he's struggling with fame and he will do some things that are inconsistent with his christian values. overall is he trying to be a force for good?

absolutely. >> tucker: he is. which counts. jason whitlock, thank you for that, great to see you. that interview was scheduled for 30 minutes it went on for almost two hours. this a lot more to bring you and we are going to. our documentary team is embedding with west to find out exactly what he's doing, it will be a great documentary. will next see tomorrow, here is sean hannity. >> sean: fascinating, we begin with this fox news alert, federal agents have gathered sufficient evidence to charge hunter biden with felony tax and gun crimes according to "the washington post" but now it's up to the doj to file charges and we are told a decision is imminent. the big question is is joe biden going to get caught up in his business dealings. we have full coverage, analysis, news h