it, i guess the government phones don't let you send the emojis. >> maybe that's why obama -- no, he was into blackberries. all right. thanks for joining us everybody. oh, my goodness, and remember to set your dvr if you are not in front of the tv so you never miss an episode of "outnumbered" and we are always here waiting. "america reports" next. >> sandra: country's crime crisis, three philadelphia swat team officers shot while serving a murder warrant early this morning. the violence coming ahead of a news conference city officials already had planned for today to talk about efforts to curve violence in that city. >> john mcnessby, the president of the philadelphia fraternal of police, he will have an update and the crime issues plaguing his city. >> sandra: a fresh read on inflation.

continues to squeeze american families. brand-new numbers showing prices rising more than expected last month yet again. hello, welcome, everyone. sandra smith in new york. mike, great to have you again. >> mike: great to be here again, mike emanuel. wholesale inflation, 8.5% in september, slightly above the 8.4% predicted. >> sandra: biden administration bogged down with economic challenges. the president saying there is a chance, he says, for a "very slight recession," in a new interview that aired last night but pointed to a global slowdown instead of placing blame on his own policies. >> all of this comes with the midterms around the corner and as the federal reserve considers another aggressive rate hike to try and rein in inflation. charles payne will join us in a moment. >> sandra: jacqui heinrich is live from the north lawn for us.

jacqui, hello to you. so, what do these brand-new numbers on the economy tell us? >> hey, good afternoon to you guys. the producer price index measures the cost that manufacturers pay to produce goods, and because it came in higher than expected, it is one indication that retailers could end up passing off these increased costs to consumers and inflation could rise. it's certainly an indication that inflation has not peaked and that increases the likelihood that the fed will continue the interest rate hikes. the market believes they are likely to do another 75 basis point rate hike november 2nd, put us farther into historic territory. and it comes with the midterms a month away, inflation a weak spot for the president and members of his party. the administration consistently points to rising energy costs as a key driver of overall inflation, and after opec+ snubbed provided and moved

forward with production cuts, the president is considering calls to congress to pull back arm sales to saudi arabia. >> we are going to react to saudi arabia and consultation and will take action. >> and democrats are ramping up calls for the president to take the action soon. >> i've reached out to republican colleagues, they have been receptive, noncommittal but favorable in their remarks there need to be consequences. >> saudi planes could not fly, the air force, without american technicians. their air force would be grounded to a halt. they can't rely on china and russia. take them almost a decade. >> biden tweeted he met with brian deese to get a briefing on the economy and more work to do yet but the u.s. is in a strong position to navigate through the transition. but the war in ukraine will continue to be a challenge economically. biden has no plans to meet with

vladimir putin at the g20 summit and the u.s. pledged more air support for ukraine as part of the meeting with g7 leaders but officials have admitted there is really no end to the war in sight right now. the president is heading to colorado to give remarks at a monument of veterans and indigenous people. we will let you know if he makes news there. >> sandra: jacqui heinrich, she'll keep us posted from there. charles, great to see you. can you dress up for us next time? >> look at you, you have the jackie o. collection. you look fantastic. >> thank you for being here. the brand-new numbers and the economy, another troubling sign the prices are not coming down. it's a huge challenge for the white house, but a lot of the onous is on the federal reserve. prices cannot keep going up forever. >> it's so amazing.

i keep pondering that as well. remember a year ago, maybe last summer when the prices were percolating, and see it was going to be an issue. almost every economist told me the same thing, high prices are the cure for high prices, and normally that makes sense. but the wildcard has been all the money, i'm talking trillions and trillions of dollars, child tax credit, all of those checks added up to trillions of dollars at one point economists said we had 4 trillion in excess savings. never even heard the term before. what is excess savings. i grew up, a couple bucks in a coffee jar you had money. and on top of that, states are putting in money, president biden wants to forgive student loans, inflation reduction act puts more money. on one side, the fed pushing against the very forces that not only stoke this inflation crisis, but continue to stoke it. these two things, guess who is

caught in the middle. people watching the show. if inflation is not getting you right now, it will. and recession is going to get everyone, if it's not getting you now it will. hell of a 1-2 punch. >> sandra: and finally admission from the president, he denied inflation for quite some time, even recently talked about 0 inflation. now acknowledgment that not only are americans struggling through this inflationary time but it could push us into recession if you don't believe that we are already in one. here is the president in that new interview. >> i don't think there will be a recession. if it is, it will be a very slight recession, that is we'll move down slightly. they have been predicting this off and on for the last -- >> you said a slight recession is possible. >> it is possible. look, it's possible. i don't anticipate it. >> sandra: for most economists define it as a couple quarters of decline and gdp, we are already there. is this a sign the president is waking up to the economic perils this country faces?

>> it's a sign the president is waking up to the fact the american public is waking up, and he made a big mistaking there. he is trying to go with some sort of technical textbook, you know, definition of recession. back-to-back quarters, negative quarters of gdp growth is generally accepted. he's talking about the room eight people in there, seven of the eight are liberal economists and will decide when it began and when it ended. the average person knows if they are in recession. >> paycheck to paycheck, working two jobs to pay for inflation, taking on more credit card debt. >> friday a report amount of credit/debt in one single month in august. third highest single spike in credit card debt ever in august. so to your point, people -- here is the thing that blows my mind. explain to me how this happens.

june of last year to june of this year, a record amount of debt for the bottom 90% of household incomes. how could you hand out trillions in free money and people go that far into the debt. go into the store with 1400 bucks but spend $2,000. and the president says gdp is 6% under my watch but the beast is now crushing american families. an hour ago, eia, we are going to spend now 28% more if you use gas for the household, household heat this winter, and 27% more if you use diesel. the number about an hour ago. it's going to get worse. >> sandra: where the president is trying to push off the actual opec oil production cuts 'til, you can make the case, post election. but post this winter, it's going to get brutal to afford to heat their homes with the price of all of those energies going up. charles, you are on it for us, and we have ro khanna coming up on the energy situation.

he comes from the state they are paying about two and a half more dollars. >> i dig ro, i dig ro, sometimes he's really straightforward, sometimes he plays the game but he's one of the best out there to have these conversations with because he will push back against his own party from time to time. >> sandra: ok. we are going to ask him about this president, the president just had the meeting with brian deese, economic advisor to the president. who the president just tweeted he's sitting down and getting a briefing from, and how to fix the economy. the president saying this morning i met with my economic council director to receive a briefing. we are in strong position -- can i remind who brian is and what he has said on the record? listen. >> the only viable path to energy independence for the american economy is to reduce the energy intensity of our economy overall. and ultimately to reduce it to 0, and get ourselves to a position we are no longer relient on fossil fuels.

>> sandra: thank you to our team, and brian deese, he said on the record his goal is to bring our usage of fossil fuels to 0. how can you have faith this is a person advising the president to bring down gas and oil prices? >> i believe they believe they can have their cake and eat it too. the american public are suffering. we are not going t get off of fossil fuels any time soon, no time in president biden's lifetime and most watching the show. find a smart way to use it and make the transition if you indeed that's where the ultimate goal is. >> and to your point, ro khanna, we will ask him about that. all right, mike. >> mike: united nations watchdog says ukraine's biggest nuclear plant is without external power the second time in five days. airstrikes have damaged key infrastructure near the plant.

recent attacks have president zelenskyy calling for air defense systems, and new reporting from areas recently liberated in eastern ukraine. trey yingst is live in kyiv. and your time is learning more about the horror civilians faced in the city of izyum. tell us about it. >> mike, good afternoon. the city of izyum was liberated last month but learning more about the terror that civilians there faced. here is our report from eastern ukraine. 74-year-old raissa stares across the street at a police station. it was used last month to detain ukrainian civilians. they were tortured, i heard the screams, she says. i saw how they were taken away. hands behind the back, a black bag on the head. beneath the station, cells line the halls. inside, a glimpse at the filthy isolation that captives endured. >> russian soldiers kept

ukrainians beneath this jail torturing them, according to local residents. this room smells of urine and rotten food. the conditions that the civilians in izyum faced when the russians occupied their town. my son spent 24 days in prison, alexander says, he was tortured with electric current and they beat him every other day. before the war, nearly 50,000 people lived here. now just a fraction of the residents remain. izyum has no electricity, so at a central meeting place a generator runs. allowing people to charge their phones and call loved ones. for civilians, now is a moment to heal. for soldiers, there's no time to rest. >> when the ukrainian counter offensive started, many of the russian troops panicked, tried to get out as quick as possible. the ukrainians blew up the pontoon bridge and the result

here, the russian equipment slamming into the river below. even as the town tries to rebuild, with the threat of incoming fire and front line miles away, it's too much to bear, even for those who have lived here most of their lives. close to where we were reporting, a mass burial site was found with more than 400 bodies inside. this highlights why ukraine is fighting so hard. this is a battle of life or death. mike. >> trey yingst with compelling reporting, many thanks. sandra. >> sandra: day two of a trial is underway right now, happening in washington. tuesday's proceedings took a surprise turn, john durham personally questioned an fbi witness. danchenko is charged with five counts of lying to the fbi. durham insists he was the primary source behind the

debunked steele dossier. they say he was offered $1 million to prove the allegations, but steele was unable to do so. >> mike: spiralling crime crisis in philadelphia. three swat team officers shot while serving a murder warrant. will the mayor's plan to end gun violence in the city make any difference? we'll speak with philadelphia's president of the fraternal order of police. >> sandra: and saudi arabia the latest scapegoat for energy prices? now some are calling on a ban to arms sales to the middle east nation. >> i am in the process, when the house and senate gets back, they are going to have to -- there is going to be some consequences. appraisal or termite inspection. no upfront costs at all. let us get your family sesh in the bank.

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>> mike: fox news alert, investigating whether any funds were misspent when desantis flew migrants to martha's vineyard, they will find out if any federal money was used to fly them to massachusetts. democrats in congress have been looking to see whether the funds came from the american rescue plan or other coronavirus relief programs. sandra. >> sandra: live to philadelphia, officials there are giving an update after three philadelphia swat officers were shot while serving a warrant early this morning. let's dip in and listen here for an update. >> share updates as they become available. as you'll notice, things look differently today, we are in-person in city hall for today's update on the city's response to gun violence. we are committed to providing updates to the press and public around everything the city continues to do to confront this

epidemic. since the first biweekly virtual violence briefing in march of 2021, we have held at least 35 press conferences. that's 35 press conferences with members of the media. and acknowledge those who made the briefings possible. we have listened to feedback from the press and public and looking forward to holding more updates in the future. we are livestreaming this briefing on the city of philadelphia facebook page so the public can see everything that we are doing to address this issue at the forefront of our administration. as we continue to workday and night to reduce violence and make our community safer, we have several updates from ppd and the office of criminal justice and public safety. before we get into these updates, i want to point out while total homicides in philadelphia are down slightly from this point in 2021, we recognize we have so much more to do, it's just not enough. as i said before, i'll say

again, one life lost to senseless gun violence is one too many and the families deserve to live safe from fear. and also frustration and anger many feel to understand where the shootings continue and how to find solutions to put an end to this violence. despite the frustration and anger we will do everything in our power to fight the crisis. the police department responds to and investigate incidents, ensure people responsible for the senseless crimes are brought to justice and sadly to say take roughly 6,000 crime guns off the street. reiterate that. we are projecting 6,000 guns, crime guns being taken off the street and that does not account for it, it's a drop in the bucket compared to the number of guns out there, it's a disgrace. the flow of guns in the state -- >> sandra: we are going to continue to monitor the news conference live in philadelphia right now. right off the top, for about 15

seconds acknowledged the three swat officers that were killed in his city while serving out a warrant early today. the 19-year-old suspect was shot and killed in that exchange. let's go to david lee miller. how are those injured officers doing? we have not gotten an update from the mayor, we'll get back to him if there is more information. what do we know now? >> the mayor said he went to visit the officers in the hospital today and the police commissioner issued a statement saying by the grace of god it appears that they are going to recover. now the most seriously injured was shot in the chest. he is in a local hospital and guarded but stable condition. the two others hit in the leg and the hip are in good condition. all of them were wearing their protective vests. 19-year-old rahim lee shot at the officers and tried to run out of a back door, cops fired back killing him. lee had a violent past in addition to the homicide which police were taking him into

custody, two armed robberies. the police commissioner condemned the surge of crime in philadelphia, said in part, i quote, i am disgusted by this violence. our entire department is sickened by what is happening to the people that live, work and visit our city. the outrage was echoed by the police commissioner said the level of violence is not normal. >> this is something the officer sign up to do a job, to protect and serve but not to take gunfire and at some point it becomes enough. not a day goes by we don't have a child that's shot or multiple people shot because there are too many people out here carrying guns. >> so far this year, 1,850 people have been shot in the city of philadelphia. one out of five of those shootings, sandra, ended up taking a life. >> sandra: just horrific, and look what philadelphia is dealing with, and the latest fox news polling, a bigger and

bigger midterm election concern. 79% are concerned about the rising crime rates happening all over the united states. david lee miller on that story for us, thank you. mike. >> mike: sandra, bring in the philadelphia fraternal order of police president, condolences or best wishes for the officers as they recover from the latest incident. looking at the numbers for the city of philadelphia, 416 homicides this year. is your city out of control? >> way out of control. so i mean, the 416 is low. we have had a couple more since those reports came out, but i mean -- you know, it's the same tune every day and we are bringing guns off the street and the people know that are being caught with these guns there are no consequences. they'll be let go. there is no accountability, and again, you know, we need the support out there, we are 6, 700 cops down and we have a job to

do. we have kids being shot, and you heard the mayor, 35 press conferences. if you are doing 35 press conferences and still getting the same result, you got to change it up a little bit and figure something else out. let's not have press conferences about what happened. let's have press conferences about what you are going to do to stop it and right now that's where we are. >> mike: i would like to put on the screen part of a statement from the philadelphia police commissioner. in it she says we are tired of arresting the same suspects over and over again only to see them right back on the street to continue and sometimes escalate their criminal ways. we are tired of having to sends our officers into harm's way to serve warrants on suspects who have no business being on the street in the first place. is it a revolving door when your officers bring in dangerous people? >> it is a revolving door, and it's -- it's our liberal progressives so-called d.a., he does more to, do more work to

let people out of jail than to keep them in. and not a whole lot of people committing a whole lot of crime in philadelphia. it's a small amount that know they can wreak havoc, so they are able to stay out and do what they need to do and continue to rob, rape, pillage, carjack and whatever they can do, and there's no consequences, 0 consequences. >> john, if the mayor were to call you to say what can we do to fix our city, what would you tell them? >> number one, he ain't calling, i can tell you that. and number two, you need 6, 7, 800 more cops, the cops to stop being handcuffed. we have an area we are the laughing stock of the nation. not the city, not the state but the nation with people injecting themselves with needles right as kids are walking to school, in -- injecting themself, and a number of national stories and shows have done episodes on and

our cops are down there and they are not allowed to do anything. not allowed to arrest them, clear the corner, or enforce the law. so takes a shot at the moral of the police department. a lot of things that can be done differently here to get this under control. like i said, no the a lot of people committing a lot of crime, it's a small amount. let us do our job, clean this up and give us the resources to do it. >> john nessby from the fraternal order of police in philadelphia. our best to you, your officers and community, sir. thank you. >> thank you. >> sandra. >> sandra: americans dealing with record high inflation are looking for answers. instead of coming up with solutions, there is a blame game in washington. our next guest pointing the finger at the federal reserve. ro khanna, why he thinks the crisis has been mismanaged. >> mike: president biden is reacting to reports on the federal investigation into his

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>> mike: president biden finally addressings the news his son hunter is facing criminal charges. reports his son lied on an application to buy a gun but said any mistakes he may have made were due to his drug addiction. take a listen. >> i'm proud of my son. this is a kid who got, not a kid, he's a grown man, he got hooked on like many families have had happen, hooked on drugs, he's overcome that, i'm confident that he is what he says and does are consistent with what happens. >> mike: one of the 50 former

intelligence officers who signed the 2020 letter saying the hunter laptop story could be russian disinformation is still defending the letter as accurate, despite several media outlets confirming the story's authenticity. >> do you regret signing on to the letter. >> absolutely not. the words are true. >> changed election? >> no. >> classic earmarks but not true. >> what is not true. >> that it's not russian disinformation. >> that's not what they said, we do not know if it's russian disinformation. not my fault if people don't look up definitions. >> the comments come as federal agents have concluded they have enough evidence to charge hunter on numerous tax freud charges but remains to be seen whether the attorney general will approve the move. sandra. >> ok. mike, thank you. so, who is to blame for the ongoing inflation crisis? jerome powell is in the cross

hairs of republicans and democrats for not acting quickly enough. a freeze on rate hikes. next guest says the fed has mismanaged and is calling for accountability. bring in california congressman ro khanna. we are living through this, sky high inflation, new numbers on the economy, sky high oil and gas prices, and it's really hurting the american consumer. who do you blame for those high energy prices? >> well, there's no doubt -- gas is 6.50 in my district. first i blame the saudis. they are totally outrageous and ungrateful in cutting production and hurting the american people. i blame the fed, they were buying back corporate bonds and mortgages for way too long, printing way too much money and i blame putin's war, has aggravated supply chains and of

course the pandemic which did that. >> very similar to what we are hearing from you now, last night the president seemed to place blame everywhere but on his own policies for what we are living through. i mean, you look at some of the very first steps this administration took, congressman, to shut down the building of the keystone pipeline. it was multiple messages from this administration that the intention was to go to 0 fossil fuel use in this country. so a lot of our refiners shut down capacity, we started shutting down the ability to produce more oil here domestically, so are any of the president's policies to blame for this inflation crisis we are all living through? >> sandra, let me give you the facts on oil production. it is up to almost 12.8 million barrels a day which is almost at the record levels of 2019, and it will reach record levels by 2023. the keystone pipeline was going to be used to export oil. i have called for a ban on exports of oil.

that is about 30% of oil that's being produced that we are sending overseas. that would increase our supply more. so i believe we have to look at the facts, which is that the biden oil production is higher than it was in 2020, 2021, and almost 2019 levels. >> sandra: we are also living through a time of low employment, obviously, and soaring demand, unprecedented demand. unless we can turn that oil into gasoline, it's no use to drivers in this country. you know that. i'm talking about refining capacity was taken off line because the fossil fuel industry was told and demonized and told to shut down that there was going to be this transition to green energy. >> sandra, the refining capacity, they were not investing in that even during the previous administration. the reason is the big oil companies have given the money in stock buy-backs and to wall street shareholders. they have not been investing for years in the refining capacity.

if we want to have some support for the increase of refining capacity, i'm for that, even in the short-term. but the big oil companies, if you ask them, they have record profits, they are not putting the money in refineries and not in the previous administration. >> you are making the point -- you are making the point for the refineries, they are not investing because they were told to shut down, they were told that the administration was ending fossil fuels. here is brian deese, roll the tape. he advises the president. >> the only viable path to energy independence for the american economy is to reduce the energy intensity of our economy overall. and ultimately to reduce it to 0 and get ourselves to a position we are month longer reliant on fossil fuels. >> sandra: ask anyone from the big oil companies to the mom and pop gas stations, they see this as the white house demonizing the oil and gas industry, and

talking off line production and refining capacity where we are experiencing sky high prices. and now the moment saudi arabia sticks it to the united states, along with russia, and says we will cut capacity and now we are greatly affected by that because we are not energy independent as we once were in this country, congressman. >> sandra, if that were true, then the big oil companies should have been investing in refinery capacity under the trump administration, but if you look at the statistics, they haven't been investing in it because it has nothing to do with what any president says, it has to do with what wall street has been telling them to do, give them money in stock buy backs. now talk about making sure we have enough refining capacity transitioning to meet demand, i believe we can get bipartisan consensus for that, and outrage for what the saudis did. look, it was president bush,

sr., they would not have a country unless they sent troops against saddam hussein. and they are ungrateful and hurting americans at the pump. >> sandra: to that point, is it good we are relying on saudi arabia for oil? do we want to be in that position? >> we have relied on them for decades. we aren't nearly as reliant on them as we used to be. >> sandra: this is right now, we are in position where we are -- we are upset because saudi arabia, opec is sticking it to us and cutting off oil supplies. i mean, should we be in that position considering the resources that we are sitting on right here domestically? >> we shouldn't, we should tell the saudis we will not give them weapons and i guarantee they would reverse the decision. but secondly, a ban on the export of oil and gasoline we would not be in that position. why are we exporting, including to china, while americans need the help? those two things would help. >> sandra: ok, there's a difference in the type of oil.

the president spont responded to your plan, your saudi arabia pitch. what he had to say. >> right now, they are calling for a stopping of u.s. arms sales to saudi arabia. do you support that legislation? >> we are going to react to saudi arabia and consultation when they come back and we will take action. >> sandra: says he's going to consult with them. what was your reaction to that? >> i'm pleased i'm learning on fox news what the president thinks of my legislation. but i'm glad that he is planning to take severe action. i think there has to be consequences. the saudis are totally dependent on our weapons. the air force could not fly without american technicians. there needs to be consequences, you cannot just do this to the american public. >> sandra: so much we could dig into, i wish we had more time, congressman. and if you want to talk stock

buy backs, a conversation about that and the timing of it was during a pandemic. there's a lot to dig into there. congressman, we'll have you back very soon. thank you very much. >> always love being on, thank you. >> mike: email confirms the homeland secretary knew border patrol migrants did not whip haitian migrants. it shows mayorkas knew, the photographer said his pictures were being misconstrued. when did mayorkas know this? >> mike, apparently knew hours before he got up and spoke to the american public. email obtained through a records request reveals that secretary mayorkas was privately told by dhs officials the whipping narrative behind the photos was not true, but hours later at a press conference mayorkas did not stop or dispute that narrative. the email was obtained by the heritage foundation, filed a freedom of information act

request with dhs seven months ago in march, seeking all dhs communications about the incident with those horseback agents in del rio last summer. last week dhs finally produced an initial batch of emails, including one from september 24, 2021, the same day president biden said this. >> to see people treated like they did, horses running them over and people being strapped, it's outrageous. i promise you those people will pay. >> just hours after the president said that, dhs assistant secretary of public affairs sent they mail to secretary mayorkas and other dhs officials at 12:05:00 p.m. in that email she sends mayorkas a news article and literally highlights that the photographer who took the photos said things are not what they seem with his photos, he and his colleagues never saw agents whipping

anybody and the images were misconstrued. two and a half hours after receiving that email, mayorkas joined a press conference at the white house where he failed to dispute the whipping narrative that president biden and other politicians were pushing. instead, he called the images horrifying. >> we know that those images painfully conjured up the worst elements of our nation's ongoing battle against systemic racism. >> during his comments, mayorkas never disclosed the new facts he had been alerted to in they mail hours beforehand. and the president of the border patrol union says that email shows there was no interest in the truth. >> it is smoking gun evidence, and it clearly shows they are willing to lie to the american people for their self-interest. they withheld facts and any time that you withhold facts from the american people you should be willing to step down from your job, better men would step down. >> in a cbp investigation,

showed they did not whip migrants. we reached out to dhs two days ago for comment on the story. as of this newscast, we do not have an on the record response from them. back to you. >> those images blew up into quite a political fire storm. bill, thanks for breaking the down for us, well done. amazon facing legal action, two companies are suing them, poison to die by suicide, more on the lawsuit accusing amazon of selling suicide kits. gillian. >> amazon is under fire now from parents of teens who died after ingesting a chemical, sodium nitrate they bought off the site. lawsuits are saying the company knowingly assisted in the deaths of minors. 16-year-old from ohio and

17-year-old from west virginia took their own lives with the chemical filed suit, saying amazon is selling a product as deadly as cyanide. doctors are ringing alarm bells. >> suicides from sodium nitrate are up 166% since 2018. works on the red blood cell to prevent oxygen carrying. you end up with low blood pressure, nausea and vomiting, headaches, end up in the hospital. it's used as a poison. >> typically used to cure meats but people who ingest it at high levels can have difficulty breathing and other complications. lawyers representing the mother of another teen who died after obtaining chemicals from amazon say amazon knew it was profiting from people dying by suicide and dangerously marketing a suicide chemical. amazon specifically recommends purchasing anti-vomiting pills,

instruction book, and a scale to weigh powder and sodium nitrate. clear acknowledge ment of the off label news. they say it's a legal and widely available product. it is not intended for consumption, and like many products it can be misused. medical practitioners say federal regulators need to step in with urgency to protect minors. call the national poison control center, and maybe we can get the number back on the screen. >> mike: heartbreaking for the parents. >> heartbreaking, unimaginable. >> sandra: interview highlighting john fetterman's health struggles as they continue to overshadow his campaign for the pennsylvania senate seat. marc thiessen ahead on whether more voters are starting to doubt if fetterman is fit for office. >> mike: king charles iii announcing the coronation date

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>> mike: john fetterman struggling to speak clearly in his first in-person interview since suffering a stroke in may. his lead has started to narrow with our fox news power rankings calling the race a toss-up. >> small talk before the interview without captioning it was not clear he was understanding our conversation. >> i hear someone speaking, but sometimes precise on what exactly that they are saying. i use captioning. >> his campaign said he needed to use a transcription program during our interview. >> mike: marc thiessen. so the nbc correspondent was straight in saying he did not understand the small talk. what's the impact? >> here is the thing. the fact he has a disability that requires him to use closed captioning is not of itself disqualifying. if he was deaf and needed it, no

one would question it. the problem is he has not been forthcoming about his medical condition. nbc news asked him, we would like to see your medical records, speak with the doctor, and what the condition and he refused. so voters in pennsylvania are asked to elect somebody who had a stroke. they have a right to know whether that has cognitively impaired him beyond simply auditory processing. they have a right to know if -- who they are voting for and whether he's up to the job and he's refusing to provide that information. >> let's play some more from john fetterman. >> the eagles are so much better than eagles -- telling you that you are not fit to be serve. send us back to new jersey. send me to d.c. >> i always thought it was pretty empathetic -- emphatic --

i think i was very -- excuse me, empathetic. >> mike: the moments on the stomp and the interview have an impact on voters. >> they do, and talk to the doctors whether these are speak problems or cognitive problems, putting ideas together or whether he's having trouble getting them out. and the other problem is he's using, it's not just that he's not providing that information. he's using his stroke as an excuse not to debate. he's not the first senator to run for, not the first person to run for election to the senate who had a stroke. in 2016, republican senator from illinois had a massive stroke, he had two debates. so we have already had, voting has already started in pennsylvania, started on september 19th, he won't agree to debate until october 25, 6 weeks after people started voting and when you have a party running and saying if you oppose

early voting you support jim crow 2.0, you are a racist, you can't turn around and not debate before early voting begins. that makes you a hypocrite. he's got to debate and show people, let people judge for themselves whether he's capable of being a senator. >> mike: he tweeted this morning, recovering from a stroke in public is not easy but in january i'm going to be much better and dr. oz will still be a fraud. is that the campaign saying this nbc interview did not go well? >> yeah, i think people are sympathetic, you know. people have had -- i have family members who have had strokes, a lot of people have, people feel badly for him but have to make a judgment call about whether or not he is capable of doing the job, and it's not helping him by not debating and not being forthcoming. his numbers are collapsing. he used to have a double digit lead, now, you know, it's a toss-up, his negatives have gone up by 17 points because he does not -- i think the problem is he doesn't want to have to defend

his positions. he doesn't want to defend the fact he wants to let out a third of the prison population in pennsylvania. does not want to defend, when asked, if you had a magic wand, what would it be. let convicted murderers out of prison. he did not staflation, crime, fix the border, or the fentanyl crisis, he said let prisoners out. he does not want to have to defend that. >> mike: a lot this hour on the crime crisis in philadelphia. marc thiessen, thank you so much. >> sandra: big city crime forcing people to flee. months ago we showed you the stunning video of a california mom and baby struck by a hit-and-run driver. now that mother is up in arms and says the justice system failed her. she will join us live. plus, andy mccarthy on hunter biden, energy crisis, and ukraine, and all that and more as "america reports" rolls into

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>> sandra: president biden promising action on saudi arabia. critics say he got played on the world stage. coming up, we'll speak to the top republican in the senate when it comes to energy. he says the president gave the saudis a fist bump. they gave him the finger. welcome back as "america reports" rolls into a second hour. i'm sandra smith in new york. hello, mike. >> mike: mike emanuel, midterms less than four weeks away, but new at 2:00, another issue hitting home for way too many families, crime. >> sandra: that was one mother's experience, a horrifying moment and it horrified a nation. how could anybody forget that mother mowed down while walking her little baby in a stroller. at the wheel, a teenager out