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>> your plugs are wonderful. >> pete: do they have homework? >> i don't know. they were so much. i just see college and a senior citizen on a contingency and they parted with us every night. they were the biggest party years. i loved them just like i love you guys. thanks to everyone and don't forget to dvr the show. have a wonderful show and now here is "america reports." >> sandra: thank you, emily a shooting spree rocking north carolina where a gunman went on a bloody rampage and killed five people including an off-duty cop. and other police officers among two people wounded two hours of terror in a raleigh neighborhood appeared the police had the shooter is in critical condition in just 15 years old. >> john: the senseless tragedy posed to copolice officers in connecticut who fellow officers they were killed and ambushed. a third officer was injured in
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that attack, all of the violent domestic violence with the danger police face in the line of duty every single day. but the critics say soft-on-crime policies are making it more dangerous for the men and women dedicated to keeping us safe. fox news contributor leo terrell will join us on that coming up. ♪ ♪ >> sandra: but we began >> kayleigh: with president biden on a west coast swing to tout his big spending plan that new data shows inflation sticking around and price is at record highs. hello, welcome i'm sandra smith in new york and tracy, great to have you on this friday. >> always great to see you, trace gallagher in for john roberts. on the west coast the president visiting california with a speech later today how he is lowering costs for american families, but if you asked the president's critics the state paying the most for gas in the entire country, reining in sky
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high inflation is a topic he knows little about. the later consumer price report said that prices increased last month to 8.2% and that of course some of the highest level since 1982. >> sandra: even as many americans struggling to put food on their table or gas in their car, the president is blaming progress on the inflation spike. we have fox team coverage, gary baker will join us in a moment. but white house correspondent jacqui heinrich, what is the current feeling about all of this at the white house? >> you know, cassandra, if they are feeling anything, they are being pretty quiet about it. it has not been a great week for this administration the economy. although today's preliminary consumer sentiment report shows slightly improved numbers from last month and a bigger uptick than expected appear there is still uncertainty over the project area prices and also financial markets.
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on top of yesterday's inflation report show 8.2% jump from last year largely driven by food, energy and housing costs on the heels of consumer index price report that shows price has not peaked. manufacturers to make goods are still increasing. overall not a good picture for the president out on the campaign trail trying to raise money for democratic candidates. but the white house keeps giving us the same line that we have heard many times before. >> we are making progress. we are making progress on energy prices. we are making progress. we just have to -- we just have to stay at it. so, we have policies that are going to make a difference. we have policies that have already made a difference. we have to stay the course. >> in california where drivers are paying $6 for a gallon of gas, president biden said legislation he passed months ago including infrastructure law and inflation reduction act will bring down costs for americans in many sectors of the economy.
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eventually. in the near term, he's got less concrete answers on what exactly can be done to bring down surging gas prices. >> welcome mike that has always been the case here. nationwide, came down about $1.35, and still going down. but we are going to work on housing. that is the most important thing we have to do. >> the president said yesterday he will give more detail on a plan to bring down gas prices next week. sandra. >> sandra: a lot to begin there. momentarily with jerry baker from "the wall street journal," jacqui thank you. >> trace: in the meantime the rhetoric between the biden administration and saudi officials is growing over questions whether the white house will actually turn to venezuela. the cartel leadership remains indicted by the department of justice and narco terrorism and other charges. but will president biden look the other way?
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aishah hasnie at the state department with the latest on that. what is the latest on our venezuelan policy? >> hey, good afternoon to you, trace the latest here at the state department is the door is still open and look without increasing oil production here at home, if the u.s. really doesn't have a lot of options left on the table. so right now we know that we have millions of barrels of oil and the strategic oil reserve that we could tap into, but also it has been reported that the state is considering easing sanctions on venezuela so companies like chevron can pump oil there. a spokesman here gave us an update on the policy hostess opec decision writing in part, "our sanctions in venezuela remains unchanged. we will review sanctions policies in response to constructive steps by maduro to restore democracy in venezuela."
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meanwhile relations with saudi arabia continue to break down secretary antony blinken ripped the saudi regime for threatening what he calls an already fragile economic recovery and then also confirmed at the same time that u.s. officials did, indeed, as the kingdom to delay its decision by another month. meanwhile comic democrats on foreign relations committee narrowing down on what sanctions they think that they will hit body with. >> and i think it is unlikely that we will support any additional arms sales to the saudis. this was a punch in the gut for us at this moment. i think you will see both the administration at the senate take action on one of the most likely actions is to stop future sales. >> and trace, representative from california telling cnn today that he believes the president could take action. he anticipates that to happen in the next week, trace.
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>> trace: aisha haas and he live. thank you. speak to jerry baker "wall street journal" editor at large and "wall street journal" jerry baker on fox business, jerry, i love to have you on fridays because you can look back at the week and look forward to next week. we are in a huge moment right now in this country as we approach midterm elections, sky-high interest rates. you don't have a clear and present plan from the white house to tackle this crisis. >> no plan. in fact, the plants make things worse. the reduction act, eventually will cut the deficit a little bit but not for another five years. we need to rein in spending to get control over that. the policy torch domain towards energy price has made the problem worse. and so, no surprise one of the first things they did was cancel xl pipeline. the keystone xl pipeline. that sends a signal to everybody in the united states government under joe biden. >> sandra: not to mention all
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of the added implications to make us energy independent. >> the lowest in the history. they are against these traditional energy sources. they told us that that it destroys the planet. now they want us to believe they can get the prices down. you can't if you cut supply like that. if you have a long-term to cut supplies, the prices go up. >> sandra: they go and say do your fair share. do your part, your patriotic duty i believe, karine jean-pierre, to increase output after they were told the white house is out to shut them down. and in his own words, his goal is to go from zero fossil fuel use in this country. so a lot of those investments went away. the capacity to refine oil and gas got taken off line. and now you have this consistent string of biden officials who are blaming others for these high prices. listen to this.
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>> let's be absolutely clear why prices are high now. they are high for two reasons. one was covid. this year we have a second cost, a second cost, mr. putin's war in ukraine. >> i was able to bring cast down $1.60. i>> sandra: vladimir putin, we remember that, but it's been everything except this administration's own policies. the president seemed to hit yesterday that he will make an announcement next week. here is my question to you, do you believe there is anything this moment that this president can do and his team can announce, can enforce, can throw a bone to the energy? what can they do to prevent knowing where the we are this close to the election? >> they could absolutely back on everything they have said appear they could restart the xl pipeline and they could actually make it clear they are in favor
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of energy production by going out on the but of course they won't do that and they can't do that because then they would have legal trouble on their own side from the green until my green extremist to shut it all down. so they are caught. nobody is blind it is vladimir putin's fault or opec's fault. prices were going up well before vladimir putin in ukraine with energy prices or crude prices. the president himself dismissed all of this as transitory. remember a year ago inflation was going to go away and it would be a month or two month thing and some was saying that it's going down. but inflation is bedded in the system and once embedded into people's expectations we have disturbing numbers on that showing people's expectations with increasing prices. that is bad news because psychology, everybody, investors, consumer, worker's oh percent inflation. >> sandra: they work under
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that premise because expectations a survey of ceos finding pessimism about our economy. those expect a recession in the next 12 months, 91% of ceos responded. those that are considering workforce reductions, lay off workers, fire workers and that can mean a lot of things. more than half of those ceos, so that gives you an idea how they see the future of the white house who continues to tout this is a strong, resilient economy. i will finish up with this, overall price is up 8.2%. energy though, 20%. i spoke to a woman this morning who is trying to help people in maine because they are heating costs are going to go through the roof. she said they will have to make major sacrifices choosing between health care and heating your home spirit choosing between groceries and heating their homes this winter. final thought to you, jerry. >> it is a tragedy and unavoidable tragedy.
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we didn't have to have this and the federal reserve had been quicker to get on top of inflation, we could have went with this, but all of history tells us when inflation gets to this level four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10% only way is to have real pain. interest rates, highest level in 20 years in the housing market will crass my crash. everything has to slow down dramatically which means a recession. in able to squeeze inflation. it could have been avoided. >> sandra: witness i got right now? >> we had the first two quarters of the year and certainly it is a little bit unusual but no question the economy is an weak shape. >> sandra: really great insight and perspective, thank you, good to see you. there you have it. to that point about the conversation with this woman from a nonprofit this morning, she is up in maine and obviously they deal with a lot of cold weather up there. you are looking at astronomical cost only to go up to heat the
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home this winter. she said they have to make major sacrifices knowing it is coming in to prepare for that and then eventually react to it. trace, that is the reality for too many americans right now. >> trace: it is even in california where it's sunny all the time. it gets cold and people have to use the heat and the cost has risen dramatically. so it is a problem across the nation even in other states that are warmer. >> sandra: i've looked forward to this all day, he knows the oil and energy in the market but also though matt schwartz will join the conversation. from country mark president and ceo of a refinery in the anti-anna. we will talk to him about the white house pressure that is being put on the refineries to be patriotic and do your duty to increase output and we will ask him, so why aren't they? he will explain and no longer say we are hearing from refineries. we will hear from one directly.
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45 days to go until the midterm elections in georgia and that has been long time coming. the one and only debate for georgia's seat and republican herschel walker square off with democrat raphael warnock. could it tilt the balance of power in that race? our political panel will be here with a preview. >> trace: officers under attack across the country and one killed and another wounded in north carolina and two more in connecticut. we are just talking about the past two days. law enforcement say it is no coincidence that officers jobs are getting harder as crime policies get softer and softer. leo terrell weighs in next. >> when respect is taken away, the public, they do whatever they want to do and now we see the results of this. ♪ ♪
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♪ ♪ >> sandra: a teenager accused of going on a shooting rampage and gunning down several, seven people to be exact, in raleigh, north carolina, killing five including off-duty police officer. leo terrell with america's growing crime crisis but first senior correspondent rich edson, what do we know about the suspect? >> sandra comey has a 15-year-old boy according to authorities. and the police in raleigh say he started shooting in this residential neighborhood and then moved behind me where the trees are. a residential walking path there and started shooting more people here. the police responded, they say, 5:00 yesterday evening. they say the shooter a
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15-year-old boy, they say, critical condition in the hospital. when they got here last night, the police say, they shot two people, he shot two people in the residential park before taking that path. in the neighborhood come about f raleigh, north carolina. the police say they responded. they looked on a school. they looked down and amenity center and going across this area, a 2-mile wide area of the crime scene. >> we have to and make this mindless gun violence that is happening in our country. we have work to do much but there too many victims and so we have to wake up. speak with the police say the shooter killed five people ranging from 16 years old to 52 years old including a 29-year-old off-duty police officer named gabriel torres on his way to work they say.
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another two shot including k-9 officer. he was released from the hospital. the police at the suspect is in critical condition. they will not say if the police shot him or he shot himself or got injured in another way. they are also investigating the motive here and without the suspect knew any of the people he shot. it is unclear what weapon or what weapons the suspect used, how we got them and help prosecutors are planning on charging him in the case. they will give us an updated police report in the next five days on the shooting as they continue their investigation. we have heard from the white house a statement from president biden annie's grateful to law enforcement and said enough. we have too many times and calling for assault weapons ban. back to you, sandra. >> trace: rich edson live from raleigh, trace. >> trace: from on this and the growing level of violence with police officers, fox news contributor leo terrell. it is good to see you and i want to put this graphic up on the
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screen because it is telling. we can say shot this week alone 14 people. shut this year, 270 police officers and killed this year 50. we should note, those are technically officers killed in the line of duty, on-duty comic so the north carolina officer killed yesterday technically not on on duty. we are looking at the deadliest police violence, violence against police in six years, leo. it is october and we have 200 and a half months ago. this could be the deadliest year ever. >> we shouldn't be surprised at all. thank you for having me. police officers are not safe in this country. the reason is quite simple. the democratic soft on crime prosecutors, trace, have not understood the impact of what crime has done on the quality of life. they will learn that lesson in november but the 50 officers who
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made the ultimate sacrifice in the line of duty is devastating. let's not forget the collateral damage. they are not coming home father's, uncles, grandmother. because they were killed in the line of duty. in the biggest problem is simply this, they soft on crime prosecutors, trace have one thing in common appeared los angeles, chicago, new york, philadelphia one thing in common george soros, george soros. there is a fundamental ignorance of how devastating crime is in this country. >> trace: i think it goes deeper than soft on crime prosecutors. i have a nephew in san diego who was a police officer and i worry because these officers don't have support. they don't have political support behind them and they go out and sending the marines on a beach without air support. i want to find the mike played this from john who retired the fraternal order of police because he hits it spot on. >> the main function and problem we have right now is these
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politicians have stripped us of the most important tool that a police officer has and it's not on his belt. it is respect. when respect is taken away, the public, they do whatever they want to do, and now we see the results of this. >> whatever they want to do, leo, is harmful to those that want to enforce the law. >> absolutely, trace. look at the two situations basically criminals not afraid of the cops. criminals emboldened to challenge crops. north carolina 15-year-old. no problem at all faring a weapon. in connecticut you have a suspect who basically ambushed officers. that is the gamut of being an individual, these criminal domain criminals challenging the authority of law enforcement. they are not afraid of cops and willing to fight it out with cops, shoot cops come and they
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know in realizing these democratic said is that they will be back out on the streets the next day. >> trace: you talk about that and that it's a perfect time to segue into this because "the wall street journal," put this on the screen because exactly what the conversation is. a man accused of murdering metro police officer in vegas and pled guilty last year to drawing a weapon in a threatening manner last year. he received probation. here is an idea to reduce crime against the police, put criminals in jail. i have 15 seconds left. >> lead is the reason why there is no support on behalf of law enforcement. and the start of the segment, you had a comment from joe biden assault weapon ban. that is a poor response to what is going on in the street, but that is the democratic talking point when you see crimes in the street you talk about con patrol. you lock the criminals up, take them up at the streets and officers going home to their families. >> trace: leo terrell, it is
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good insight. thank you, it is always good. it makes a good point, sandra. there are guns in every neighborhood across this country everywhere and there is not a crime problem in every neighborhood, every city in the country because it is the people who were using the weapons that need to be brought end. >> sandra: it is happening way too often and happening all over the country. you have so many that are fleeing big cities and heading out to the suburbs to try to seek safety because they don't feel comfortable in some of these neighborhoods where crime and violence has gotten so bad. and so many police forces have unfortunately showed so many. coming up, by the way, we will have daniel tutor, one of the victims of the richard gilmore, one of the victims we had on earlier in the week. people speak to another and she will speak out about what happened to her and how this could have been prevented in the first place and the fact that he
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almost was able to walk early from his jail sentencing. he will eventually be out in november and we will ask her about that. >> trace: i saw the interview and we will play sound bite from earlier this week. it is compelling and in this interview, also extraordinarily compelling. venezuelan immigrants sit back to home with a homeland security to curve the surge in violence. fox footage showing the first group sent to mexico. and are on the ground to find out what happens to them next. >> sandra: plus, trace, we are less than 30 days out from election race between john fetterman and dr. oz as it heats up and black voters to determine who wins that highly contested race. we will have juan williams and mercedes schlapp here. >> it seems the voters inside of
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we call this enterprise intelligence. from the network america relies on. ♪ ♪ >> trace: only fox news has been on the ground for biden's border crisis since day one. right now, more new video you won't see anywhere else. it shows the moments the moments venezuelan sent back to mexico under the expansion of the department of homeland security policing effort that started during the trump era. griff jenkins in, mexico and good afternoon to you. do venezuelans even know about this policy change up? hey, good afternoon, trace, they don't and it hasn't stopped them from coming. the expansion includes venezuelans title 42 back to mexico with an agreement with
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mexico. but you can see the migrants continue to come and, passports here from columbia, cuba left on the ground. we have close left here in a migrant crossing the last hour. let me turn to the sky drone here and show you, trace, where they are crossing here. it is a shallow area. and send the drone up a little bit and you see those shots, border patrol in a vote over here. in this sector of del rio alone we had nearly 10,000 crossings in one week. migrant encounters within 3,300 got away and 3,900 rescue someone drowning unfortunately in this river. let me show you a shot an hour or so ago of the smuggler coming down to the spot dropping off a migrant who made his way across. we don't know if he was venezuelan or not. in the video comic you mentioned and i want to show the viewer's exclusive footage over the international bridge. you can see border patrol fan to
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a van with mexican officials deporting and expelling the first 50 or so migrants from venezuela. there is a cap of 200 a day. the agreement between the u.s. and mexico. we were able to talk to the migrants who successfully crossed and were not aware of it. take a listen to what they had to say. >> do you know business wavelengths are returned to mexico? >> no, we did not know anything. they treat us badly in mexico. it is dangerous. >> trace, they don't want to be in mexico. you can hear the boat in the distance and alejandro mayorkas visiting dallas today. but he should come here and see this happening all day long like clockwork, trace, back to you. >> trace: fascinating you have the passports because they don't want to be identified because
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the harder to identify them, the longer the process takes to check into their background. griff jenkins live, and back to the news. >> sandra: thanks to griff reporting with 25 days to go till the midterms. the focus is once again turning to the georgia senate race between herschel walker and democrat senator raphael warnock. they will face off in their only debate and it is happening tonight. the latest fox news power rankings with a toss-up gearing up towards a runoff. reaching the 50% to win out right. what can we expect? what can we expect especially tonight? let's dive in one william senior political analyst and mercedes schlapp cpac foundation senior fellow and former white house director of strategic communications. thank you to both of you for being here on a friday afternoon. juan, set up not just this race but your expectation for this big night tonight.
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>> well, obviously, it has not been a good period here for herschel walker. if you don't make your family telling people not to vote for you, that is not good but his support the hennepin chillicothe community has been consistent and the poles have shifted slightly. so what herschel walker needs to do tonight is to change the dynamic and change the conversation of possible away from all of the allegations and all of the talk to something different. now, he's lowered expectations and he says raphael warnock is a preacher used to speaking in public and he has not. he was a former athlete, but he's got to do something, say something that gets people talking about something other than all of the allegations he's facing from his own family. >> sandra: to juan's point, mercedes, he said heading into this, walker characterize a couple of weeks ago the debate i
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am a country boy and i'm not that smart. he has a preacher, smart man and wears nice suits. he will show up and embarrass me. what do you expect to hear from him tonight? >> look, i think when it comes to debates, sometimes it's about the sound bite, the zinger. how are you able to respond to the tough questions but also stay on offense and be able to put your opponent on defense. so well, you know, i'm sure herschel walker will be attacked on, you know, the allocations on abortion, is herschel going to be able to come with a comeback line to basically say, "wait a second, warnock, do you support abortions until nine months?" and put him in a position of strength because obviously, what we see right now is herschel walker, he's been on defense. in essence, he's got to find a way to find the weaknesses of warnock, which there are plenty. warnock, obviously is in line with chuck schumer, in line with
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joe biden, and is obviously his support has failed and an extreme agenda that doesn't line up with the people of georgia. >> sandra: i want to move on to the georgia senate race but raffaella and warnock said the strategy for his party should be. listen. >> right to choose at the same time. we have a contrast between somebody who believes in a woman's right to choose and somebody who wants a nationwide ban with no exceptions. >> sandra: i will ask you if that is the winning strategy, juan. should he have stopped we must focus on the economy knowing that is still the top issue for voters right now heading into the election? >> i think it is the top issue for voters, no question, but i think there are voters energized by the abortion issue. of course, i think mercedes will agree with you on this, no
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matter which party you are in, suburban women are a key constituency. the question is who do they turn out for and do they turn out? because the midterms turnout is critical. >> sandra: i will move to the pennsylvania senate race here. you have fetterman and dr. oz who spoke this morning vying for the black voters in that state. here is the latest fox news polling, nonwhite voters favoring fetterman 52% to dr. oz, 24%. how big of a part will this play in this particular race? mercedes, to you first. >> first of all to juan's point, there are pro-life suburban moms as well so keep that in mind as these boats are coming in. but on the pennsylvania race, look, i think what is really going to matter here is on the economy and inflation. obviously, it impacts
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disproportionately minorities. hispanics and black voters. so i think that will be an advantage for dr. oz as we start looking into these -- the final weeks, the final stretch to midterms. >> sandra: last word from dr. oz. he was on this morning, as i mentioned. listen. speak with a big concern in philadelphia's prime. again, john fetterman releasing one-third of prisoners, all prisoners. we are recklessly endangering well by his siblings don't like gnomic abiding citizens. >> sandra: in the interview talking to dana, he seemed to tried to bring home the point that crime is going to be a big issues for voters they are. last thought from you, juan. >> well i think he's trying to throw a hail mary and his numbers don't look good at the moment by these not only talk about crime, but talking about the economy and also trying to reach out to black voters. again, fetterman really, he needs the black turnout because it is a big vote. he also needs to do well in the
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upcoming debate to show that his stroke has not impacted him negatively. >> sandra: hail mary and focus on crime? >> well, right now he's looking for anything. >> sandra: okay. >> just change that debate. >> sandra: i appreciate the debate from both of you. thank you for joining us and we will obviously watch what's goes down tonight, trace. >> trace: ukraine making military gains on the southern front and that has russia very worried what the kremlin is doing now with civilians caught in the middle. >> sandra: california dream high-speed rail service turns into a spending nightmare and perhaps a train to nowhere. ♪ ♪
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♪ ♪ >> sandra: a fresh round of russian missiles and boarding ukraine as nato defense chief with more support to fight russia and prepare for the possibility of a wider conflict. trey yingst and kyiv this hour. trade, what about the civilians who are caught fighting on the front lines there? >> sandra, good afternoon, as fighting intensifies on the southern front, russia backed officials are asking civilians to evacuate. already millions of residents have had their life changed forever. because 72-year-old stands amidst the destruction in her village. i have been crying for a month and i'm still shocked. i can't recover from that feeling. she says, i was left with nothing. all the clothes are here, everything. as ukrainian troops liberate
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towns in the southern kyiv region more evidence of the trauma inflicted on the civilian population. it was a disaster, a complete disaster. there was not a single full peaceful day she adds. we were hiding and planting in the garden when there was no shelling. russian president vladimir put in his suffering extensive battlefield losses and is now shifted to even more brutal campaign against heavily populated areas. from increase shelling in villages near the front lines to widespread missile attacks on ukrainian cities, putin is pulling a page from the russian playbook. ukraine's western allies met at a gathering of nato defense ministers in brussels. 14 nato countries and pentland agreed to an error defense alliance as a result of this conversations. the u.s. defense secretary lloyd austin saying this... >> the united states is absolutely committed and we are committed to defending every inch of nato territory if and when it comes to that.
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>> russian president vladimir putin speaking today in kazakhstan issuing more threats towards nato as he moved strategic bombers to the border, sandra. >> sandra: trey on the ground and kyiv, thank you. >> trace: fireworks and the federal court room as john durham continues his case against a major source for the steele dossier. charlie hurt joins us on that next. ♪ ♪ [school bells] when pain says, “i'm here,” i say, “so are they.” ♪ aleve - who do you take it for?
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♪ ♪ >> trace: breaking out the trail for russian national igor dan schinkel in a federal courtroom where john durham sparred with one of his own witnesses, durum going head-to-head with fbi agent defending igor danchenko as a highly trusted source. despite this, igor danchenko facing charges for lying to the fbi. the editor and also fox news contributor, charlie, great to have you on. the fbi as we know accused of going after christopher steele and offering him $1 million to verify information in the dossier. christopher steele rode that dossier, charles. this is his information. doesn't the fbi usually use
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outside sources to verify information, not the guy who rode it? >> yeah, exactly and precisely. that is the most important point about this entire trial. obviously, they are trying to convict igor danchenko for lying to the fbi, but that is not really the problem here. even if they succeed in convicting him for lying, the real problem is that you have the fbi that was not verifying information or verifying information with the people who provided the information in the first place and then completely fell for all of this fabricated charges that came directly from the kremlin and had been handled by political opponents of donald trump and the trump campaign. handled by the democratic party. much of it have been paid for by democrats and by hillary clinton campaign. then, completely took all of it unquestioning.
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so obviously, it is important to charge somebody with lying to the fbi, but that does not even begin to get to what the real problem here is, and that is the fbi. we went this is what baffled me yesterday. i was watching this. the fbi special agent kevin nelson said igor danchenko was a trusted source and losing him is, well, it is harmful to national security. about igor danchenko is the one who also knocked down the dossier. he said it's nothing, like barroom talk and they trusted him as a source but still took this dossier and got beat 14 warrants for code times with it, charlie. it is baffling. >> at some point, you have to wonder whether or not the fbi itself was deeply invested and propping up these charges and believing these charges even in the face of real evidence that the charges were not true.
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as you say, applying for and obtaining numerous fisa warrants in order to spy on a campaign of political opponents of the administration that is in power to whom the doj and fbi would answer at that time an investigation that went all the way to the top where you had meetings in the oval office talking about this investigation. and you know, from the beginning whether you believed all of this stuff or didn't believe all that stuff, the idea that you have the government spying on political opponents at the height of a presidential election is a really, really scary stuff. these people, and of course, in our business, trace, so many people in the media believed it all and didn't question it. >> trace: right. christopher steele was working for fusion gps which opposition research group paid for the clintons.
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nobody said that sounds like malfeasance. better word is corruption. charlie, go ahead five seconds. >> the whole reason for you and i got into this business is because we don't believe anybody anybody says. if toasted she loves you, you verify with two independent sources. >> trace: good stuff, charlie hurt. >> sandra: outrage in oregon, getting closer to freed even though confessed to raping nine girls as young as 19 years old peer to stop it from happening, plus brian kilmeade on price gouging and more coming up.
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