you are appreciated. i do have a hard job. i'm not a paranormal prostitute but my job is hard. ray from ohio, jesse i want you to know i have a scheduling conflict and i won't be able to text during your show tonight. sorry. stow ohio again? we should do a show from stow. let's do. dvr the show tucker is next and also remember i'm watters and this is my world. ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to tucker carlson tonight. we've been watching this story all weekend. last friday morning as you know around 2:00 a.m. police arrived at the home of the speaker of the house nancy pelosi, it's in the pacific heights neighborhood of san francisco. inside the home they found pelosi's 82 year old husband paul and another man 40 years younger called david.

in full view of the police phe hit paul pelosi in the head two times with a hammer. both pelosi and depappy were taken immediately to a hospital, pelosi for his head injuries and depappy for reasons still not clear. he was later charged in federal court with assault and attempted kidnapping. at this point that's what we can say for certain. david depapi assaulted paul pelosi with a hammer and apparently admitted that in police custody. but beyond those facts there is much in the story that remains muddy. how in fact did depapi get inside the home. that's the first question. last year they reported she has protection around the clock at her houses, her own security, they have security police that fly out with her. but in this instance they say there was no security present at the pelosi home on friday night. and that's pretty strange because according to multiple

accounts even when pelosi isn't at home her house is well guarded as you would expect. harmeet dhillon told us when her firm tried to serve a lawsuit against paul pelosi, all of them were guarded by multiple law enforcement officers on the perimeter. so how did depapi get past security? that apparently wasn't there? and why wasn't it there if, in fact, it wasn't? we know he got inside and once he was inside what exactly happened next? well, accounts of that are changing. at the first press conference on friday, san francisco police suggested there was a third person in the home when police arrived. and politico dutifully reported that. quote, officers arrived at the house, knocked on the front door and were let inside by an unknown person. in other words, by a person who was not david depapi or paul pelosi. politico never formally corrected this claim. instead two days later politico, the same publication attacked anyone who repeated its own reporting as a crazed conspiracy

mondayinger. proceed trump commentators weighed in on line to raise questions about the investigation based on unfounded and false claims. among those baseless claims that a third person answered the door when the police arrived at the home. all right, three separate adjectives knocking down the idea. but the question remains, was there a third person at the home? we don't know but it's not crazy to assume there was. here's how today's charging documents describe the scene inside the house. quote, when the door was opened, pelosi and depapi were both holding a hammer with one hand and depapi had his other hand on pelosi's forearm. the officers asked him what was going and depapi said everything was good. so it's an awful scene in some ways but here's the critical clause. when the door was opened? well, opened by whom. common sense says it couldn't have been pelosi or depapi who owned it they were involved in a life and deaf drama over a

husband. the reports say paul pelosi never had seen him before but in the 911 call he knew his first name and apparently referred to him as a friend. here's the audio from a dispatcher relaying paul pelosi's call. >> there's a male in the home and he's going to wait for his wife. he says he doesn't know who the male is but advised his name is david and that he is a friend. >> tucker: so what does that mean exactly? well, again we don't know and we can't know. we do know that anyone who's ever met paul pelosi can tell you he's an awfully nice man, warm and friendly and certainly didn't deserve to be hit in the head with a hammer, it's horrifying that he was. but as long as this is a news story with public policy implications and unfortunately that's what it's become, it is fair to ask the obvious questions as you would about any other violent crime that occurs in america, and especially this one since so many facts, basic facts seem to be in dispute. local ktvu investigate i have

reporter evan for example initially reported depapi was found in underwear when police arrived. today they made a specific point of retracting that claim, quote, i'm now told by other sources that depapi was not dressed only in his underwear. okay. fair enough. we would be satisfied with either explanation, not really our business. but you can't blame, and this is the point, you can't blame people watching all of this at home for thinking that maybe there's something weird going on here. parts of the official account don't seem to make any sense. so the solution obviously is to release the police bodycam footage from last friday. that's often done immediately in cases like this, cases that involve heavy scrutiny. transparency restores the public's faith in the system, it is the only thing that does. in fact that's the whole point of bodycam to reassure people that they can really know what happened. transparency is the ant doughed to, quote, misinformation. on the other hand if you want people to fall head first into crazed conspiracy theories then you would keep lying and hiding

things. and yet for some reason the san francisco police department is refusing to release friday's bodycam videos. we learned today when we filed a records request. no chance they said. so until we see the tape there is a lot that we cannot know. but the main question tonight, one that's going to affect your life going forward, because this story will affect your life, the question is, who exactly is david depape? many in the media seem stewediously uninterested. they don't really want to know. at a police press conference last week a reporter was caught on a hot mic bees told by someone not to discuss depape in great detail. so it was left in the end for a journalist who doesn't work for a big media outlet michael shellenberger to fill in the blavshgs. he first did the obvious he went to where depape was living across the bay this berkeley. you're seeing an image of that on your screen now. apparently he was camping full-time in a delap at a timed school bus complete with a gay pride flag out front and a sign that reads berkeley stands

across hate. behind the bus hangs a blm banner. so politically this picture could not be clearer. you know where this guy stands. but shell berger and others kept digging. they found depape was well known in the area, the entire bay area as an hallucinogenic drug enthusiast and a nudist who appeared at nudist themed event. does he have a prior criminal history? that's an obvious and perhaps relevant question but we can't answer it because once again authorities in san francisco have refused to tell us or anyone else. we do know the people around david depape believe he was completely deranged. the san francisco chronicle interviewed his ex-girlfriend who reported that depape is mentally ill and struggles with drugs. for example he once thought he was jesus for a year, has never been able to hold a job, said the girlfriend. he was homeless. he really does suffer from mental illness and that's probably why he was there at 2:00 a.m.

she described him as a broken child in an adult problem with serious mental problems. depape's neighbors who know said more or less the same thing. >> anything strange about him or that would stand out. >> there's something strange about the whole household, the entire household is very strange. >> how about him? >> he is birds of a feather akin to them. so they are just, you know, nudist drug abusers and that's who gravitates towards them. >> tucker: so just another homeless mentally ill drug addict with a fondness for blm not quite so unusual in san francisco. one other thing about david depape, he's also an illegal alien originally from canada has long overstayed his visa so currently in this country illegally. so to restate the perpetrator in this violent crime against paul pelosi is a mentally ill drug addicted illegal alien nudist who takes that loose nah

generals and lives in a school bus with a pride banner out front. so take those facts and let them roll around in your brain until a recognizable pattern emerges. what does this sound like to you? if you guessed this is a textbook case of home grown white wing extremism obviously you've been watching a lot of cable news today. here's a selection. >> is this political violence, in your opinion. >> it seems to be clear that the content of his social media and the statements he allegedly made about where's nancy? we're going to wait for nancy, certainly points in that direction. >> seems like there's this effort to normalize this kind of behavior and make trumpers feel at home and prior ties their feelings. >> what has happened over the last two years has seeped into the minds and thoughts of unstable people.

>> deranged white wing fanatics trump media allies and some of the most powerful people in the world were feverishly trying to stir up conspiracy theories that distracted from the central political headline of this story. that years of republican propaganda and trump-fueled fascism led 42 year old david depape to break into nancy pelosi's san francisco home. >> tucker: to be fair the fact that she has a high paying job does give rise to conspiracy theories. i mean in a fair society how could that happen? but it has. but the bottom line ladies and gentlemen is the mentally ill homeless illegal alien drug addict who lives in a painted school bus in berkeley with a blm flag is another men of donald trump's qanon army. david axle rod put it far right conspiracy theories are to blame and the washington post said right wing pups insight violence

against the pelosi family using this illegal alien homeless guy on drugs. the far right demonized pelosi and that led the attack led the pattern on msnbc. on what grounds other than political desperation are they saying things like this? according to some reports the homeless mentally i will drug addicted illegal alien david depape maintained web sites with right wing content. one sight was apparently called friendly friend.com and the strange thing about that web site is that the web address for it was registered back in september but there's content on the site that is back dated to august. an internet ar kind offing service didn't register any content from that blog, apparently david depape's blog until october 28th the day of the attack on paul pelosi. on october 28th friendly friends suddenly had incoherent posts about ufos and peter navarro 0. what do they might?

right wing conspiracy, better indict marjorie taylor greene for the crime. shake your head in bewilderment that the midterm elections are next tuesday and the democrats are in trouble and they believe the attack might help them. as margaret brennan said on cbs because a mentally illegal i will general attacked nancy pelosi's hop it is now immoral to criticize democrats before the election. >> 116 million on ads that mention speaker pelosi by name in this cycle. if this is about the issues, why don't you make it about the issues? >> we are eight days out. don't you think this need to change? shouldn't we pull ads. >> tucker: why don't you make it about the issues says the lady who spent four years screaming about donald trump the man. it's embarrassing and shameless and the second the midterms are over they'll stop. but the point is, as always, all the journalists, journalists,

got the same memo and are all running with the same memo of course using exactly the same words. arcually parker wrote, in 2022 the gop spent $40 million vilifying pelosi on ads and on friday her husband was attacked by a hammer do you see the direct correlation. if you criticize nancy pelosi obviously you're endangering her family. of course she does run the political party facing reelection right now that controls the united states congress, third in line to the presidency but you can't criticize her because if you do you're just like paul depape. so the republican party clearly needs to stop running advertising that hurts democrats ahead of the midterms. please. that's the problem here. not the mentally ill blm nudist in berkeley. so what they're really arguing in the wake of this attack, which is awful against someone who did not deserve it, we want to be clear, paul pelosi is a nice guy he really is. but along with that they're

telling you you can't have free speech. they're telling us this is an example of terrorism, completely meaningless phrase that emerged like a virus out of the university to infect our public discourse, to suppress our public discourse. reuters terrorism and extremism experts say it could be an example of the growing threat of stow chaz particular terrorism in which sometimes unstable individualism are inspired by hate speech. what is hate speech by the way? all of a sudden everyone in the meade why has, sort of without explaining why, agree that there's this thing called hate speech that's real and probably actionable. they can find a billion dollars judgment against you if you commit hate speech. but just to remind everyone watching, there's no such thing as hate speech. hate speech is speech people hate, usually the people in power. the truth is, all speech, except speech that encourages people to eminent illegal action, like go shoot that guy, short of that

there's no hate speech. all is allowed under the united states cons constitution which is our final hope. what they're telling you is that decenting in any way from the editorial positions of say the washington post or the daily beast or the atlantic magazine, disagreeing with those publications and the consensus they represent isn't simply immoral it's violent. it gets people killed, that's the terrorism. when you question, say, covid protocols or drag queen story hour or the war against russia, you are effectively smashing an 82 year old man in the head with a hammer. they're making that argument. and of course they have no choice but to make that argument. democrats are very worried about the coming election. but they're absolutely terrified that elon musk may allow people to criticize them on twitter. and they know, what republicans don't seem to know, without sensorship the democrat party cannot continue to hold power. democrats understand that, they have nothing to offer, they have to stop you from asking questions. so they have to crush elon musk.

not because he's a right winger but because he will allow their opponents to speak. and of course they are using the attack on poor paul pelosi to do just that. the new york times has just come out with a piece that says, and we're quoting, elon musk in a tweet shares a link from a sight known to public fake news. really, what did elon musk do? well, he linked to an article about how paul pelosi called the guy in his home a friend. well, that's what the 911 tape says. you can draw your own conclusions or not. maybe you don't care which is also fine. how is that fake? seems to be real. nbc news's ben columns explains musk's tweets are how you lose a democracy in the age of the internet. oh, by asking questions. jimmy kimmel attacked musk personally, used to be a comic, sad to watch that decline. it's been interesting kimmel wrote to musk to watch you blossom from the electric car guy to a fully formed piece of human excrement. cbs told its viewers in the weak of the attack of paul pelosi

elon musk cannot allow people to speak freely on twitter. they must retain what the far right calls censorship. oh, the far right. you don't need to be far right to identify it as sensorship because sense orship is exactly what it is and to restate, democrats could no longer exist or hold power without it. they need censorship and they're going try to use this horrifying crime to hold on to it. but something else is going on here, too, something beneath even all of that. obviously by immediately politicizing the attack, democrats get a lot. potentially. but the main thing they do is effectively obscure the deepest truth of all which is that what happened to paul pelosi's not so unusual anymore. crime in this country is out of control by every measure. attacks by the mentally ill homeless, even non-nudists that don't live in buses, but theent inially ill homeless are its own category and feature of life in the city controlled by the democratic party. if you live in those places no

matter who you vote for you know that's true. get pushed in front of a subway train by one, that's entirely real. here's one recent example from california. a 54 year old man and 22 year old daughter were just stabbed to death in a parking lot of a cole's by a mentally ill homeless man. not an unusual story but a particularly awful one. here's the local news account. >> say there are multiple homeless encampments in the area and people are known to live out of their cars in the back of this particular parking lot. everyone says they're shocked by the violence. >> for me i was like dumfounded like wait someone just got stabbed in daylight. doesn't matter if it's daylight or nighttime but the fact that people have the audacity says they don't care. so to find out wait a minute somewhere where i go to shop and get gas and my bank is right here but some dead person is right there? that's infuriating and sad. >> tucker: so to restate, can

heart felt sincerity, we couldn't feel worse about what happened to paul pelosi who didn't deserve it. on the other hand, if you're going to be injured in a violent crime in 2022, not so surprising that that crime was committed by a mentally ill homeless man, because so many crimes are committed by mentally ill homeless people. a fact that everyone who lives in a city understands perfectly well and the people who are making it possible, the leaders of the democratic party assiduously ignore. this year a man named james asked two homeless men to move away from his desk and they violently beat him with a wooden plank and sent him to the hospital at 11:00 a.m. in broad daylight. this happens all the time. and here's the point, the psycho drug adled zombies who do it are usually released the same day to do it again. everyone knows that. it's not an accident, it's the results of policy, policy that

nancy pelosi supports in her own city. but in this case, the guy did not walk because it happened at nancy pelosi's house. so the guy is still in jail. he's not benning from cashless bail. the police got there in two minutes in san francisco! that's four times faster than the average response time in san francisco. four times. so the lesson hear couldn't be more obvious, and their screaming is designed to keep you from reaching this conclusion. but here it is. nancy pelosi and her party, the democratic party, not an overstatement to say this, have deliberately created a breakdown in law and order and safety and quality of life in your neighborhood. yet, they are given special treatment themselves when it happens to them. so you can grieve the attack on paul pelosi and see it as horrifying, because it is, and still understand that the response to it would not be extended to you. it's a double standard. it's a two-tiered system of

justice. that's completely unacceptable and it's not justice, in fact. it's the opposite. so the media ought to be saying something about this. this is happening, this crime specifically happened but so many others have happened because of policies designed to allow them to happen. and someone in the press should point that out. hey paul pelosi's not the only guy who got attacked by a nut case homeless guy this month. but they're not saying that. and because they're not saying that, democrat politicians get to skate. and not just skate but to grandstand under republican violence in ways that any person with a sense of shame would be totally incapable of doing. because you'd hate yourself for doing it. but they don't hate themselves they'll say whatever it takes. on the very same day that barack obama blamed republicans for assaulting paul pelosi, obama was campaigning in wisconsin for tony evers. does that name sound familiar? that's the governor who let homicidal mobs take over the city of kenosha two years ago for political reasons. watch this. >> we've got politicians who

work to stir up division, to try to make us angry and afraid of one another for their own advantage. and all of it gets amped up, hyped up, 24/7 by social media, because a lot of times their for-profit platforms that make it more profitable to feed you controversy and conflict instead of facts and truth. and sometimes it can turn dangerous. >> tucker: oh, your speech turns dangerous. other people are stirring up resentment. really? no president in american history ever caused, intentionally caused more racial division, more race hate than barack obama did. it was the key to his second term obviously. but the solution to something that he did is prohibiting you from saying what you think.

shutting down your constitutionally protected right, your god given right to say what you think is true is always the solution, inflate words with violence when it suits them. in georgia last week barack obama said democrats, the party that defunded the police, the democratic partied somehow he said bears no responsibility for the rise in violent crime all over the country in fact obama pretended democrats did not vote to defund the police. who voted for less resources for the police department? yeah, it's like if you'll say anything maybe it works. yeah. who ever sees baltimore and gary indiana and minneapolis and new york and portland oregon, how are those cities doing? speaking of shamelessness kathy hochul just went on al sharpton's show to claim the crime wave the one you're watching or that may have hurt you or killed one of your neighbors is fake. in a statement that is crazier than alex jones has ever thought. >> conspiracy going all across

america to try and convince people that democratic straits are not as safe. guess what, they're also not only election deniers, they're data deniers. data shows shootings and murders are down in our state by 15% new york city, down 20% in long island where will lee sell deny comes from. >> tucker: that's a lie actually. new york is so dangerous people are leaving. rents haven't gone down because foreign investors are buying up all the buildings but people are leaving new york in droves. of course. but according to kathy hochul in a claim that is truly crazier than anything else jones has ever thought in the shower to himself, kathy hochul is telling you that the data are fake. so here you have a city in which, new york city, subway ridership has dropped by 40% over the last two years. now, according to kathy hochul, it's not because subway ridership is being pushed in front of trains people being attacked by mentally homeless.

no. it's because patiently millions of new yorkers are watching fox news and being fooled by right wing propaganda into thinking the subway is dangerous. that's what she's suggesting. this is too stupid. this is a lie. voters know it's a lie. and when democrats get crushed in next week's midterm it will be in part because people who live in cities and states run by liberals understand that what happened to paul pelosi could very well happen to them, and no one would care. morning joe would pretend it never happened. >> so republican kari lake is running for governor in arizona. you wouldn't think it would be a race that would draw national attention but permanent washington is completely freaked out because they see in her the future and it's not a future in which they win. kari lake joins us straight ahead with details. ♪ >> plus brand new documents reveal the national security state is collaborating with big tech to censor americans.

the biden administration shutting down your freedom of speech in an unconstitutional illegal way and now they're caught. we've got details. ♪

♪ >> tucker: earlier this year the department of homeland security published its -- established its

own ministry of truth. it was so ridiculous it had to be dismanneded almost immediately. the woman running it was so far out she was a parody and discredited the censorship movement. but that doesn't mean dhs has stopped trying to censor you. they are you just didn't know about it. thanks to the intercept which obtained many years of internal documents from dhs, we know that companies like facebook and twitter has been working closely with the biden administration to, quote, curb speech that the administration doesn't approve of. e-mails also show twitter's top sensor parag agarawal who was just fired by elon musk met to talk about new ways to shut you up in unconstitutional fashion. lee fanning broke this story from the intercept and he joins us tonight. we thank you so much for coming on, this is a really important story which is for some reason being ignored. do we get the outlines right. >> thanks for having me. >> tucker: the administration is

working with the tech companies to censor people. >> yeah, that's right, you know, tucker, we looked at really hundreds of documents that paint a vivid picture of the fbi, the dhs closely collaborating with the top social media platforms, twitter and facebook, to censor various forms of content under the banner of fighting disinformation. and the story shows a couple things. one, it shows what you just mentioned, a very cozy relationship between the government and these tech giants. there's those monthly meetings that you just mentioned but also just very cozy e-mails and texts, not a very adversarial relationship one text a microsoft texted general easterly the top disinfo director at dhs appointed by biden basically saying the private sector needs to get more comfortable with the government closely collaborating on reports, talking about the expanded role for dhs in censoring a really broad collection of topic areas, of

policy and political topics. and, you know, just broadly speaking, the story just also looks at the admission creep of dhs. this was an agency that was founded in the aftermath of 9/11 to combat foreign terror threats of al qaeda and the like. but over the last five years it's kind of evolved in its mission. it's moved towards fighting disinfo and their justification is, you know, disinformation radicalizes the homeland, it can lead to disruptions in public health or in political violence. so they have a justification, we have these documents and they're pushing forward with this broad censorship agenda. >> tucker: criticizing the people in charge is dangerous. you know, i don't know why you did this story at the intercept, i'm just so grateful that you did. it's a great story, it's a huge public service, i hope you're rewardeded for it. i doubt you will be but thank you. lee fanning thank you very much. >> thank you for having me. >> tucker: thank you. so most republican voters

believe that if liz cheyney attacks you, you're probably someone they want to vote for. and so by that standard, kari lake just got maybe the most important endorsement she could ever get. she's despised by liz cheyney. she joins us next. ♪

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>> tucker: liz cheyney is so loathsome on every level even with their last name voters rejected her in her republican primary so she's out and has a couple more months in congress and spending time not helping the state she supposedly represents but attacking kari lake in arizona? so cheyney's so obsessed with kari lake that she cut an ad against her. watch this. >> i don't know that i have ever voted for a democrat but if i lived in arizona, i absolutely would. you'd have a candidate for governor, kari lake. you have a candidate for secretary of state mark, both of

whom have said they only will honor the results of an election if they agree with it and if you care about the survival of our republican, you cannot give people power who not honor elections. >> tucker: i've never voted for a democrat. well, of course liz cheyney is a left wing democrat so stop lying. in response to that ad kari lake wrote this level to liz cheyney. dear liz, thank you for your generous in-kind contribution to our campaign. your recent tv urging arizonaians not to vote for mes is doing the opposite. our donations are sky rocketingen a our web site nearly crashed because of the traffic. carrie like is running for governor of arizona and she joins us tonight. thanks so much for coming on. is that true? >> that's true. liz cheyney is officially my fundraiser to date, we raised a half million dollars since she did the anti endorsement and people still flocking to our web site kari lake.com and donating. an incredible boom for us in fund raising. so i have to extend a big thank

you to liz. at this rate, tucker, we might have to invite her to our inaugural ball because we have to thank her for bringing in so much fund raising money for us. >> tucker: you would think, it's a little weird since she is a congresswoman still from wyoming, she's got a lot of hobbies, she could be planning a new invasion of somalia or something, but she's attacking you, very focused on you. why? why is that, do you think? >> well, i think the same reason i'm being attacked by the media. i'm speaking the truth. you talked about it in your monologue tonight. we can't talk about all these issues because the media has told us, they're prohibited. you know, you can't talk about vaccines. you can't talk about elections. you can't talk about paul pelosi, now you can't talk about nancy pelosi, and you can't talk about the elections, and you can't talk about covid. and i'm talking about all those things because i still believe we have a little bit of the first amendment left. >> tucker: that's right. >> but i'm dangerous to people like liz cheyney and the folks that she hangs out with and they

want to stop people like me. >> tucker: words are powerful. i will say the left, liz cheyney for example, they understand that. i want to ask your reaction to this story. so recently the headquarters for katie hobbs, the person you're running against in the governor's race, was vandalized. the suspect broke in and stole a few things. the suspect's name is daniel and reportedly he's an illegal immigrant to this country. what's your reaction to that story? >> he's currently in this country illegally, and i had heard that as well. but, you know, you can't say that now because you can't talk about that. it's insensitive. and the press won't report that. and i'm glad that you just said that because, that's right, he is currently in this country illegally, just like it sounds like we've had many other instances where people are here illegally and the reporters never even ask that. because it proves the point that having a wide open border means more crime, higher incidents of crime for american citizens and that's what we're seeing here in arizona. and you talked about the

homeless man that was found, you know, half naked in pelosi's home. this is why republicans have ideas to stop these problems. i have a homeless policy, the press doesn't want to talk about that. i have a policy to work to end chronic street homelessness, get people help get them off the streets and return quality of life to the hard working people of arizona. but the press would rather act like there's been some watergate break in and my opponent's office. i don't even know where her office is by the way, i assumed it was in a basement somewhere. they'd rather cover that and make up lies than cover our policies which will actually help the people of arizona and make them safer. the press has gone bad and the people are awake to it. >> tucker: the fact to even run someone as lame as katie hobbs for governor of a major state tells you they believe they have the system wired, that they can't lose. why wouldn't they pick someone that can talk? >> well, her sister, her twin sister actually, there was some

undercover video of her the other day saying she voted for me and i was listening to her in that undercover video and she could actually communicate a little better. i said well she's obviously smarter if she voted for me and she can articulate points, why didn't they run her twin sister instead of katie who can't seem to articulate even her policies before the people of arizona in a debate. >> tucker: it's almost sad. kari lake joining us tonight. thank you so much. >> thank you tucker. >> tucker: so corporate media outlets are awful obviously but the good news is people know they're awful and they're collapsing and their business models don't work anymore. it's not just true in the united states but in el salvador where they have tried to destroy the single most popular president in the world. and he joins us next. ♪

♪ >> tucker: nayib bukele is the president of el salvador the most popular elected leader in the world measured by polling

companies. why is that? we sat down with him for an episode of tucker carlson today and told us the entire world economic system is trying to destroy the values most important to human beings. here's part of it. ♪ >> you know, they say the federal reserve is nothing federal and has no reserve. right? so they do bring more money -- they rob you from your wealth and your savings, and that's immoral. but it's not only immoral, it also destroys some basic economic principles, like, for example, savings, or your pension. from this financial publications they will print lies. we know there's something special about lies is they don't last long. so when people realize that this doesn't make any sense or they see for themselves the difference, like you for example have gone three times to el

salvador at different times. >> yeah. >> so they see things in a different light and see reality. so, you know, reality always impose itself over lies just because it's real. so it's easier to uphold it or it's easier to show it or to demonstrate its truth. so we are -- we are taking some heat, but if you look a little back, they didn't care about us before. so like now, yes, we have do bad publications in forbes and financial times but they weren't writing about el salvador before. it's not like we lose anything. and there's other publications writing interesting stories about el salvador. some guy just -- this is a joke, of course, it's not -- but he said if el salvador has the most per capita, because there's a lot of people doing documentaries about bitcoin, about surf, because we have a lot of great surfing in el salvador so they have a lot of

security measures they were implementing. so we're getting a lot of good press and we're getting bad press, too, but the guys printing the bad press didn't write anything about el salvador before, so it's not that we are losing their audiences. and also their audiences are diminishing. >> tucker: right. >> because they're not even -- it's not even close. they're not as important as they used to be. they're actually almost irrelevant but they have their legacy names. but who buys time magazine anymore? i mean, i don't know anybody. you know, before it was a very important to buy a news week or a time magazine but now who buys a magazine anymore. who subscribes to a magazine on line? nobody. it's just really names, legacy names, and their twitter accounts. so it's not really -- you know,

they're not really main stream media anymore, you know, they're just accounts on social media with a legacy name of being major media. >> tucker: and you don't see to care what they say. >> well, yeah, i mean, you know, i have learned not to care. but, of course, at the beginning i do care. i did care because for me i thought they were important. now that i see they aren't, and since they are not treating us that well, i've learned not to care. and i think it's better. because this -- and if you look at the ratings, for example, the amount of subscribers they have, it's really ridiculous. i mean, they -- i mean, nobody's watching them. really, nobody watches cnn anymore. it's like -- i was -- we were talking yesterday about in el salvador, we have this news show, of course, the news shows, of course, local. and the news, the news show.

>> tucker: like nightly news. >> yeah, the nightly news, the main nightly news, local nightly news. >> tucker: channel 4. >> yeah, channel 4. they have like one million viewers every night. out of seven million people that lives in el salvador, they have one million viewers. which is not much, you know, 14% of the population is watching. and then cnn in prime time you have like half a million viewers. so channel 4 back in el salvador has twice the ratings of cnn in the whole united states with 200 million people. so, i mean -- >> tucker: who cares. >> it doesn't make any sense for them to be airing their shows anymore. >> tucker: doesn't make sense for cnn to be airing their shows anymore, why would you care what they think? boy is that great advice. you can watch the whole conversation tomorrow on

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