know. i'll tell you on monday. it slipped my mind. >> i wish i had a paddle that said eton. >> jesse: i wish i had a paddle so i could hit you on the head. all right. thank you guys very much. dvr the show, if you can figure it out. i can't. "tucker carlson" is up next. always remember, i'm watters, and this is my world. >> tucker: good evening. welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." a comedian that used to work for the food network, he's also pro-life. earlier this month, he was preparing to host a comedy show in rutherford, new jersey, a half hour outside of new york, but minutes after the show was announced antifa, a violent radical group, decided to shut it down. hundreds of antifa affiliated

twitter accounts started bombarding the venue, called the williams center. they also went after the chief of police and threatened violence. at that point, the chief of police who wanted to defend the constitution, the free speech of every american, but he caved to the mob. he warned the venue that the venue might save civil liability if they allowed free speech to go on, the show to go on. then said he would shut down the show on public safety grounds. ultimately the williams center had no choice and canceled the show. in the end, the only people who showed up at the williams center that night were several police officers, there to make sure there was no comedy taking place. none at all. then to add insult to injury, the next morning, the mayor of rutherford, new jersey, bragged about what the city had done. he said it was his decision to

use the power of the state to cut down comedy. quote, unbeknownst to the borough, he wrote, an event was planned this evening for the williams center, news of which quickly circulated through social media. online intelligence led the police department to believe that the event had the potential for confrontation. therefore after discussions with the owner, the event has been canceled. now notice the blame shifting here. the potential for confrontation. it wasn't the comedian who was going to confront or threaten anyone with violence. it was the radical left wing group antifa, but it was the comedian who was punished. this is not the first time josh deney has experienced this. it's happened four times in just the past few weeks. shows canceled because of threats from the left. two shows were canceled in chicago. another two in new york. every time the same pattern. deney would schedule a comedy show, and a huge amount of

antifa affiliated twitter accounts collapsed under the pressure and shut it down. denny can no longer peek. only way to host a show north of the mason-dixon line is deliver cryptic tweets to his friends where to meet like at a submarining easy. all antifa has to do its send tweets. josh denny's not the only performer being targeted. it's part of a larger campaign to end free speech in the united states, a country whose civic religion was free speech just a few years ago. this is a huge change and an ominous one. anyone who tells you you can't say what you truly believe is a totallarian. make no mistake. it's not about sensitivity. it's about controlling you. it's totallarian. we're going to start tonight with what's happening to

comedians, because free society requires comedians. comedy is the way we tell the truth. the presence of comedians in a society means that you get to mock the people in charge. very quickly, and it's not an accident, we're running out of comedians. only rote comedy is tolerated now. that's another way of saying no comedy is tolerated now. elon musk pointed this out a few months at the satire site, the babylon bee. >> wait a second. is comedy getting at an essential truth or trying to -- or is there -- is there a propaganda element or a -- is it trying to push you in a particular direction or -- or -- or getting to an essential truth that is humorous. when it stops getting to an essential truth that's humorous it's not -- >> tucker: after that interview, twitter, as if to prove it has

no sense of humor as well, they banned the babylon bee, making fun of that guy in a dress they're calling female. we know what happened next. elon musk bought twitter. what is clear at this point after elon musk fired half of twitter's employees, twitter got better. why? because they were the censors. and twitter isn't the only company, many of whose employees work effectively as censors to shut down your freedom to say what you think, outside netflix headquarters last year, protesters, some of them netflix employees, gathered to demand the censor of dave chappelle. watch this. >> what do we want? >> to go in the building. >> when do you want to? >> now. >> it's okay to laugh, but you're sparking hate conversation.

>> black lives matter! >> why are you breaking my sign? you're breaking my sign. >> he's got a weapon. >> tucker: so what you had at netflix is also what you had at twitter. it's the same phenomenon that's canceling comedians all over the country, a small group of politically inflamed highly motivated extremists who prevent the majority from saying what it thinks. another word for that is tyranny. it's everywhere. one of the few people in hollywood willing to fight back against this, say what he really thinks, is adam carolla, a longtime comedian who's stayed true and therefore funny. he mocked the people you just saw as exactly what they are, humorless babies. >> i need to explain to the people at netflix, which is an

interesting -- another interesting dynamic is, your job isn't that important, and it doesn't really change hearts and minds. i think people have this thing where it's, like, dave chappelle is going to mobilize this group of our society, which never really seems to be mobilized. like his words, his words hurt, and his words are going to cause x, y and z. no, they're not. he's a comedian, gets to say what he wants, he gets paid, you get paid, and that's called entertainment. >> tucker: he's a comedian. he gets to say what he wants. that's no longer rule in a lot of paces. adam carolla joins us. how do you do comedy in a moment like? you still do stand-up? >> yes. i was on the stage at the improv in hollywood last night. i was on stage with another

comedian. i started getting into some subject matter. i could see in his eyes, like don't go there. we don't want to get into trouble. and that's a very troubling notion. comedians second-guessing themselves. worried about getting into trouble. and also this notion of these idiots saying because a comedian said something, people are going to go do it, as if you did whatever george karlin was talking about in the '70s, or richard pryor, even accusing trump of propelling people to inject bleach. okay, he's dangerous because he told people to inject bleach. how many americans injected bleach? this is the president of the united states. this is their excuse for canceling everyone, because they know people don't listen to dave chappelle or trump saying to inject bleach. it's a excuse to have dominion over you. >> tucker: it may be, however,

that they're on to at least one point, the one thing that average people might copy from a comedian is the willingness to mock the people in charge. maybe that's what they fear. they don't want to be mocked. >> yeah. and there's a definite truth in comedy that cuts right to the core. they know if they lose and can't silence that community there's going to be issues. remember when john stewart was on stephen colbert's show several months ago, and he was, like, hello, wit wuhan lab leak. watchk colbert's reaction to that. oh, no, one of our own is crossing the line. it's not crossing the line. it's a comedian being funny, making observations that are patently true. >> tucker: so have you how -- i've always wondered -- i don't

know if i've ever asked you. how have you continued to act like it's 1986 when it's not? why doesn't it affect you? >> well, this is going to sound self-serving, but you'll see it almost everywhere. you have to be good. if you're good, you say what you want. dave chappelle is good. jon stewart is good. they say what they want. most people live in the middle. if you're a journalist, and you have any kind of integrity, you quit your job at "the new york times" and you go to substack. those are the good ones. most people aren't good. most people are in the middle. when you're in the middle, whether you work for a big corporation or "the new york times" or netflix, you need to keep your job. most americans want to keep their job over about anything else. they're not good enough. they don't feel they're good enough to say whatever they want and do whatever they want. >> tucker: i mean, that's a really good point. i wonder, though, when all of

this ends, won't a lot of comedians be ashamed that they went along with speech codes, which are antithetical to comedy and free thinking? >> comedians eat count chocula in their living room every night. they don't have shame, shame that the rest of america is constrained by. so no, they don't normally feel shame, they eat edibles, stay up all night and make fart jokes. they're a hard demographic to shame. my feeling is if you're a comedian, you got into it to say what you wanted to say. if you're curtailing that in any way, especially because some woke a-holes are going after you, then you're a coward, and you've given into the mob, and you become a comedian to pushback against the man. the man is not ron desantis.

the man is the woke mob, if you're a comedian. >> tucker: well, that's exactly right. do you worry that venues, where you're performing, can be shut down? >> umm, no, but it doesn't it can't happen. i don't have a choice. i'm a comedian. i have to say what i'm thinking. some people like it. some people won't like it. the second that process ends, i got to go back to carpentry. >> tucker: still living like it's a free country. adam carolla joins us tonight. adam, thank you so much. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: so the one thing you know about fascists is they ban books. kind of weird that books are getting banned all around us all of a sudden. we've got details. we'll be right back

>> tucker: one thing you never thought you'd see in the united states of america is book banning. book banning! if you're in your 50s, you grew up hearing from your teachers that was the hallmark of a fascist society.

book banning. but it's everywhere now. it's everywhere t. attacks on freedom of speech in the form of banning books. it's unbelievable. any author who deviates from left wing orthodoxy is attacked immediately and erased. watch. >> they cancel people that are more powerful than me. canceled j.k. rowling. my god. j.k. rowling wrote all the harry potter books by herself. [laughter] she told so many books, the bible worries about it. they canceled her because she said in an interview -- this is not exactly what she said, but effectually, she said gender was a fact, and the trans got mad and started calling her a turf. i don't know what that was, but i know the trans will make up words to win arguments. >> tucker: people have been trying to ban books for, well,

since the invention of the printing press, and even before. but for generations in this country you had brave civil liberties minded publishers who bucked those trends. in fact, throughout the english speaking world, you had publishers, most left wing, by the way, who said no. free people have a right to read whatever they want. but those publishers don't exist anymore. in fact, we're down to pretty much just one, that we know of, the name of that company is sky horse publishing. it has done what civil liberty janes did for many years, it's published works by canceled authors, in their case, woody allen, robert f. kennedy, among others. the man who clings to the ideal of free speech is tony lyons. he joins us tonight. tony, thank you so much for coming on. so i've talked to you before, not on the air.

i have no idea what your politics are. i really don't know what your politics are. but you seem to go out of your way to publish books that people don't want published. it must be intentional. >> yeah. so i think freedom of speech is the most important freedom we have. and it's besieged at every side. so, you know, the left wants to shut down freedom of speech in so many different ways. the right is there, you know, calling for more speech, more dialog, more debate. i've been right in the middle of it, publishing book after book by authors by like you said, robert f. kennedy jr., dr. robert malone, dr. pierre corey, many doctors who have been deplatformed and censored and canceled. >> what's so interesting, just take the case of bobby kennedy's book about tony fauci and about the corona experience that all of us watched.

that was never published by anyone but you. that's why you published it. i think it did blockbuster numbers. i'm sure you made a lot of the money. i hope you did. why wouldn't cycle and schustero that? >> i think the big four publishing companies don't want to deal with the government censorship that's been happening, the censorship internally, you know, the censorship even from their own writers. so they feel pressure from every side, and buckle under it. i feel pressure. hike i said, when we spoke last, i think it's more dangerous to have a country where we don't have the right to publish whatever we want, to have people read whatever they want, to make the choices for themselves. there's so many ways that free speech and dialog is getting shut down in this country. it's, you know, all the big tech companies have buckled to the

government. it has to stop. i want to be part of that process. >> tucker: you're not only part of the process. you are leading the process. you are leading the fight, probably something you never thought you'd wind up doing, but we're grateful that you are. tony lyons, thank you so much. it's not just that they're going to prevent you from doing a comedy show in a venue, or selling your book on amazon, though that's happened a lot, how about if they prevented you from living, from having a job, from using money? what if they used a payment processors that so many people rely on to live to force you to comply? what if they shut you down economically if you engaged in wrong think? what if? well, the group gays against rumors were banned by paypal and venmo for opposing the sexualization and cass transportation of children in the name of gender affirming care. they've spoken out about drag shows for children, which are

becoming prominent. here's some examples of what the group proposeses. ♪ ♪ >> tucker: so gays against groomers criticized that. doesn't seem out of bounds, but it is, and they've been punished. the idea that you could not simply be deplatformed, but demontized hadn't occurred to most americans until recently. tell us what happened to you. >> that was shocking to us, too. i knew going into this battle, you know, fighting pedophilia

and the grooming of children, that it would be an uphill battle, that big tech would try to censor for us wrong think. we really were not expecting payment processors to cut us off. but, you know, it's just telling that how effective we're being from inside the community fighting this. i don't think they ever expected that. we were destroying the narrative and their agenda, and they did what they could to put a stop to it, but unfortunately, you know, it's only made us stronger, gotten us more support. >> tucker: i really hope that it has. i always wonder, if you're you, running this group that's pretty new, and you're getting a lot of support, and all of a sudden they shut off your payment processor, what do you do? who do you appeal to? who comes to the rescue and helps? >> right. umm, well, we didn't really -- i appealed, but we still haven't heard anything back. to be clear, even if we were allowed back on, we within go.

we wan -- we wouldn't use their services anymore, because they've come out in support of pedophilia. we went to a more friendly non-woke platform, which has been good to us so far. might be jinxing it, but you've got to roll with the punches and adapt to overcome it. you know, it's good to see that there are alternatives things coming out, alternative companies, payment processors, being launched, because i think that's what it's going to take to have this taylor economy, so to say, so to speak. you know, we're going to keep adapting. it hasn't -- it hasn't stopped our support, like i said. it keeps growing. honestly we appreciate the free press, because, you know, to have people attack us for simply want to stop the sexualization and mutilation of children, it does more to expose who they are than us. >> tucker: it really does. >> you know, we roll with it, but it's sad. it's really sad that's where we're at. >> tucker: what a great attitude

you have. i appreciate your honesty. thank you for joining us. jaimee michell, gays against groomers. >> thank you "studio b" reopening a social media platform is the biggest threat to the people running into the ground. when elon musk said, hey, i'm for free speech, that meant they had to crush them. they're working on that now. but it also means that accounts and people who have been banned for months from twitter, or years, like babylon bee, might be able to speak again. we'll talk about that next.

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grizzly new details about the killing of four college students in moscow, idaho. according to a coroner, symptom or all were found stabbed to death in their beds, and might have been asleep when they were attacked. the bodies were found last sunday. there's no suspect or motive. authorities have released a map, tracing the victims' last moves. attorney general merrick garland has named a special counsel into former president trump. the doj is investigating classified documents found at the former president's mar-a-lago home. there's a separate probe investigating the origins of the january 6th riots, days after trump formally launched his 2024 presidential run. now back to "tucker carlson tonight." >> tucker: so it may be looking back, say, 10 years from now, one of the most sequencal decisions in the history of big

tech may have been twitter's decision to ban babylon bee. what did the site do wr wrong? twitter's ban was publicized. elon musk saw it, and was outraged by it. not because he's a right winger, because he believes in the first amendment. elon musk now owns twitter and the biden administration is trying to destroy him. we're talking about investigating him. the president from the podium not long ago, suggested he might be a threat to national security. so all of this began with the banning of the babylon bee. seth dillon is the ceo of babylon bee and joins us tonight. thanks for coming on. a lot of people have been banned on twitter, but when you got

banned, he seemed to see it as a red line being crossed. why do you think that is? >> i think it all goes back to the primary issue of free speech. he calls himself a free speech absolutist. one of the things free speech protects is jokes. when you can't even laugh, poke fun at these ideas, especially ideas that are really crazy, we have a situation where this world view needs to be propped up. the left's insane ideology needs to be proppedda by silencing people on the other side, especially by people who expose their foolishness. i think musk saw that as problematic. it's part of the reason why he decided to step in and take some action. >> tucker: i'm glad he did. do he's the richest man in the world, famously, or he was when he bought it, in any case, but there's so much institutional resistance to allowing americans to speak freely. do you think he will be able to restore free speech, legal

speech, might be a better definition, to twitter? >> i hope so. i mean, for all of our sakes, i hope so. there's a lot of resistance. he's facing pressuring from advertisers, facing pressure from activist groups. they have this system set up, this power, empowered activists by giving them a sword and shield, right? they can strike down anything as misinformation or hate speech that they want. ethic smear you all they want. they have a shield on the other side. that's their sword. they have a shield on the other side, where you can't criticize them or you get banned. musk has threatened to take away that shield. they will fight to the death to prevent him from doing that. he's got a tough battle ahead of him. >> tucker: i think you're absolutely right. i don't think you're overstating it. i think the word "existential," but that is this for them. did you understand how important censorship was for the people currently in charge to keep their power? i mean, they seem to think it's the most important thing.

>> they do. i mean, there's a reason for that. you know, mockery and -- and -- and criticism, you know, it can expose foolishness, make you look silly. i think that's the big weak point, especially when ideas that you're trying to defend are indefensible. you know, you don't want to have arguments about it. you want to shut down the debate before the debate even happens. you know, i didn't expect that it would come to the point it's come to, that we'd see the amount of content moderation we're seeing, that basically silences one side of the discussion and takes out people trying to use humor effectively in a conversation. you know, here we are, we're in this place. i don't know. i'm excited, hopeful, that musk will fight back and do something about this. he's facing challenges right out of the gate. >> tucker: yeah, he certainly is. seth dillon, whose banning started it all. great to see you tonight. thank you. >> thank you. >> tucker: so we opened the show telling you about the comedian

josh denny, silenced as a comedian because he has pro-life views. he's not the only one, though. john gibson was the ceo of tripwire, a video game company. last year he tweeted this, and this is the whole tweet. quote, proud of the u.s. supreme court affirming that texas law banning abortion for babies with a heartbeat. as an entertainer i don't get political often, yet with so many vocal peers on the other side of the issue i felt it was important to go on the record ace pro-life game developer." that was it. he didn't attack anyone, just said what he believed. for tweeting that, he lost his job. the company that he started, was majority owner of, or had the largest ownership stake in, and then the media decided to destroy him personally. unbelievable experience. we spoke to him about it. here's part of the conversation.

>> i call it social terrorism. >> yes. >> it is an effort to use fear and intimidation to cause people to change -- either -- either hide or pretend that they're not to what they are really so they can keep their jobs, they can keep their status, and i just think that's -- that's just a terrible thing for the world. >> tucker: well, it's prima facia evil for one thing. terrorism is always wrong. you know, everything should be voluntary. i mean, you can't force people to believe something. that's crazy. you know, that's eighth century islam, being beheaded or something. there was not one person -- by the way, i wrote down social terrorism, because i'm stealing that. i'm not giving you credit. sorry. it's such a precise phrase versus counter culture, which is

pathetic and weak, and does not describe the phenomenon. not one person in your world stood up and said we cannot crush this man because he has a different view? >> there was -- umm, there was one person, within the company, that -- umm, umm, a lady that was resistant to what they were doing to me. >> tucker: good for her. >> umm, and she was fairly senior. umm, and i really appreciated her, you know, sort of standing up and pushing back. but it was -- it was -- it was difficult for her, too. i mean, she was outnumbered. umm, and -- but also in the position she was in, she was having to deal with a lot of the fallout, and that's -- that's how this social terrorism works, is you make people scared. you make their jobs more difficult. you make them worry that people are going to leave the company

if they don't, you know, throw the person who -- who disagreed with in as political positions out of the boat. and, umm, so she really couldn't overcome the wave of sentiment of the other folks. then the people that -- that -- the other people that agreed, they're afraid to speak up. they don't want to be next. umm, i had one of the owner owe other owners of the company politically were very, very, umm, were very aligned. he thinks cancel culture is bad. he thinks abortion is bad. umm, and he said, umm, yeah, i don't want to be canceled next. >> tucker: how heartbreaking was that? i mean, these are your friends. you created the company with them. you worked with them for 20 years. to see them participate in this must have destroyed you. >> tucker, words -- words can

hardly convey, umm, how crushed i was. umm, you -- everyone that works puts a little bit of themselves into something, or maybe a lot. >> tucker: yeah. >> when you're doing -- when you're something that -- like this, a passion, something you used to do for free, and you just absolutely love it, and it's -- you spent 20 years, 25 years of your life, crafting the skill set, and you're at the top of your game, and you love what you do every day, just love coming into work, and making people happy. and we -- we were making, sure, millions of fans happy, but also the company would take 10% of our profits and divide it up amongst the employees. there was a lot of profit. people were going out and buying cars and houses. i would see people coming into work, smiling and happy. i just loved having a job where i got to make, not just the public happy, but the employees happy. and to have that all destroyed,

umm, to feel like -- well, i shared something with my wife. i'll tell you what i said to her. i said -- i said i just want to die, you know, because i don't want to live -- i don't want to live in a world that's this unjust. >> tucker: i agree. >> and yeah. yeah, i got depressed. i got, of course, angry, suicidal. umm, not wanting to leave the house. umm -- yeah, it destroyed me. and i have lived through 13 months of hell. >> tucker: the entire episode will be available next week to stream on fox nation. well, it wasn't that long ago that the biden administration was trying to censor you in an obvious way with the ministry of

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>> tucker: it's hard to believe this actually happened, but not so long ago the biden administration tried to set up a ministry of truth in this country, hired a mary poppins look-a-like to silence anyone who criticized the biden administration. they're still doing this. not openly. they tried to do it openly, and they couldn't, because she was too ridiculous to sell. she was openly partisan. she was dumb. she was an advocate for censoring any news that damaged the biden administration. she also posted videos like this one. watch. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

♪ ♪ >> tucker: yeah. better wake up and get involved or your future will consist of asking for permission to exercise your own most basic rights from people like that. in the end, the videos were so embarrassing, the biden administration fired her and scrapped the program. censorship is the linchpin to maintaining power for them. chris bedford is with the common sense society, joining us to assess what they're doing now to shut you up. she was so absurd she had to go away, but they didn't stop, because they can't, correct? >> correct. she hasn't even really gone away. just this month, she's quoted in

the "new york times," bloomberg, serious publications to decide what senators and congressmen and what questions you're allowed to ask about the attack on paul pelosi. asking questions, according to "the new york times," is disinformation. >> tucker: ha-ha-ha! >> she's still out there. much worse, she's working at a british think tank. there's a bunch of other clowns there, part of a christian nationalist plot, but working with experts, former cia analysts, because the intelligent groups that try to assess enemy countries, espionage campaigns, the things they do with washington, are mixing seamlessly with democrat partisan who try to work with the department of homeland security. they treat you like a terrorist,

get former crease directors, former fbi directors to back it up and make it serious. >> tucker: and alex jones, for that matter, who said our intel agencies are interfering in domestic politics. people like me said that's impossible, that's immoral, totallarian, but it's happening ope. >> i was doubtful when these first things started to come out, people said the same groups fighting al qaeda will some day will turn on american citizens. i said that's ridiculous. i went to ground zero shortly after i saw it. it was awful to be around. people were frightened. all those people were completely right. the government is doing this, working with twitter, working to shut down scientists, doctors, shut down people who turn out to be completely correct, and at the same time places like google

are trying to shut down journalism, like at the federalist, cut them off from advertising. it's about bank, which you touched on, and even about comedy and movies. can't we have an open conversation in this country anymore? >> tucker: no, not at all. because they have an open conversation, they can't win. chris bedford, what a great summation. good to see you tonight. >> good to see you. >> tucker: we talked a lot about free speech over the last year, but one of the most interesting conversations we've had about it actually was with kid rock, the entertainer. we did a documentary on him. he just released an entire album about free speech. here's part of what he told us. >> so if there was -- i mean, a message behind the album what would it be? >> to my fans, i love you dearly. to you haters, critics and trolls, go [bleep] yourself. >> tucker: that's pretty clear. you're not hiding that message, are you? >> half the things i do, to

solidify my fans, that's all that matters to me. i love the trolls, haters, critics, trying to knock me down for 20-30 years. i'm still standing. still operating at the highest levels. sometimes i do things purposefully to be a wise ass, because my fans will get the tongue-in-cheek, and the people that hate me will go god dammit, and it will piss them off more. >> tucker: why haven't you been canceled? >> i'm uncanceled? >> tucker: why is that? >> because i'm not in bed with any big corporate things. at the end of the day there's nobody i'm beholding to, no record companies, no record interests, no nothing. you can't cancel me. i love it when they try. i'm, like, yeah. >> tucker: why aren't there more artists like that? >> because they're in bed with record companies, corporate

deals and structures at every level. you know, it's -- if someone finds a way to get me here or there, i'll find another way around it. >> tucker: you never see artists talk like that. they seem easy to intimidate. at what point did you realize, like, you're not going to be intimidated? >> day one. >> tucker: really? >> i think i crawled out of the womb with both middle fingers in the air. ha-ha-ha. >> tucker: the documentary is called "life of a rock star: kid rock," on fox nation. more news straight ahead

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