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stabbed to death in the early hours of the morning of sunday. as of now, police say there's no evidence of forced entry into their three story home. and a murder weapon has yet to be recovered. local authorities have scheduled a press conference for tomorrow afternoon around 3 p.m. local time as law enforcement continue to encourage anyone with any information about the case to come forward. good evening, welcome to cross country i'm lawrence jones this hour, redig into every facet of this case with experts across the criminal justice field. joining me now, on the scene former homicide detective criminal defense attorney, and fox news contributor ted williams. you've been on the ground for us. what can you tell us tonight? >> lawrence i can tell you that it's like an emotional roller coaster here. emotions are very highs -- this is a small close knit

college community, and everywhere i've gone today, i've seen women weeping, one woman told me these are not my children. but i love them like they were my children. and wanted to embrace them. as we throughout the day we've had law enforcement coming and going at the over my shoulder here. now flawrns i could let me just take you back to sunday morning about 1:45. at that time, all four victims are back in this house. now two entrances to this home, one through that front door that has a coated lock. we've learned that at times that coded lock would be left off because a lot of people would come to this location for parties. and then there's a sliding back

door. and lawns there were two individuals in this home that was left untouched. somebody, the next day around nine hours after this incident was supposed to have taken place called law enforcement. when law enforcement gots here, they found that the door was unlocked. there was no forced entry. but lawrence i can further tell you at some stage there was an autopsy performed. the medical examiner said that there was blood all over this place. all on the walls. on the floors -- it was a very vicious attack, and the weapon that the medical examiner said was a knife. and this is significant, lawrence, because if there was

that much blood evidence there and seems as though there was some defensive wounds on some of these victims bodies, and so as a result of that, it shows that they fought back. and there in lie is where the law enforcement may very well be able to find some evidence that -- that will lead them to this perpetrator or perpetrators because we don't know if it was one or more individuals. glans are we hearing any suspects yet? because right now all we hear is crickets from producers on the ground they're afraid and people don't want to come on tv because they feel they can be the necks target. so are you hearing any leads from the authorities? >> well we're not hearing any leads from the authorities. unfortunately, at the beginning of this investigation, there was

some misinformation that was put out in the community that they could go about their business and that they were safe, and then law enforcement had the walk that back and law enforcement had to say that the killer or killers is still out here to the community. the community as you said lawrence is very much on edge at this time. so we're dealing with an unknown killer. i'm sure that the physical evidence lawrence, that is then connected are that evidence could lead them to the perpetrator or perpetrators of this crime. >> ted, why was that walked back? what are you hearing on the ground that's a significant move to walk that statement back that everyone should carry on as usual everybody is safe and then they say that killer is still at large. we don't know who it is or multiple killers and that

everyone is really not safe. so why did they walk that back? >> well i think they walked it back look this is a small town where you have the moscow police department, and there's a homicide even in this town. so those officers were not experienced, and so what happened slawrns they brought in the ohio state police department and the fbi got involved. and that stage you have professionals who knew more about -- running an investigation. that something theals our viewers should know lawrence, and that is -- that one of the idaho state investigators say these individuals were targeted. so they definitely know a great deal more. what evidence of these individuals being targeted, they have not shared that with law

enforcement. as well as who made the call the next day or the 9/11 call. they have not shared that. we don't know whether the perpetrator or perpetrators came out that door here or they came out of a sliding door. but wherever they were to come out of lawrence they would have had a great deal of blood on them. so i'm sure that individuals in the community if someone came home and they have a cut on their arm orb their body or they have clothes that they immediately took off and tried to wash -- they want to know about those individuals. >> ted williams thanks so much. lawrence: all new on cross country as communities await information county and supporter questions as he left the crime scene earlier. watch. >> gruesome who was with you? are they members of the fbi with

you? >> part of the investigators team. >> behavioral and analysis unit -- active. how long will they stay home? >> as long as they need to. >> are you expediting forensic testing? >> expedite that everything that might lead to a suspect. >> there's a lot -- can't say on that. so coroner said there was blood on the wall. you know you did mention that -- >> should talk to kathy about that. >> how tragic is this for the community? >> it is tragic to particularly lose young lives like this terriblely tragic. >> we're so deeply sorry for their loss. i don't know what else to say. >> do you see marking different change or whatnot in the investigation there's so many people. >> no -- my office takes an active role

in working with law enforcement on these investigations. it is important for all us to be together that's why we're back making sure. >> how were you doing in there today? >> healthy. >> can you say one last thing this is a close knit community hasn't been a homicide here in years but you talk about the impact this is just -- having even on law enforcement too. like having to go through this. i know that had to be tough to see. >> it is delft for everybody. any time there's a loss of life particularly young people like this, it is horrible. and it is going to affect the community it is beginning to affect officers and enemy my office. it is going to affect all of you. >> you see more, you're choked up -- i'll ask some questions. can you just -- >> it is a tough situation. we'll do the best we can. that's what we're going to do. >> scareds right now that killers on the loose. >> i wish we had more answers and they're still asking questions. >> how do you heal --

>> i don't know. i don't know. i think everybody heals in their own way. >> so that was brand new sound first time we've heard from prosecutor since wednesday they're supposed to have a press conference tomorrow. here with me mow former nypd fox news correspondent ann da vogel you've done a lot of these paul thank you so much for being here. paul i still see based on information that we're getting from our producers that on the ground they're still processing the scene. we saw them taking tire marks out wengt that counterterrorism bau unit are on ground to assist them. at this stage of the investigation, should they still be processing the scene right now? >> you know i think your instincts are right soening the initial read was that this was going to end up being a crime of passion and they are going to be someone in their sights quick reand we got early statement about it being targeted for no

one to be concerned and homicide situations go cold fast and we're nob a week out an for them to be taking steps you're talking about tell me they're still groping for their theory of what occurred here. that's the correct thing to do. you know, you don't want to light on somebody release information, and people are frustrated they want more information. but worse than keeping information tight is to release the wrong information. maybe, with the spotlight with nothing to do with it so i think at this stage they're still trying to you know check all the boxes to a light on a theory of what thong curred here and then to narrow their focus down using forensics and digital forensics there's a lot of digital stuff here. >> paul i want to be respectful before i go to anita last time they had a murder there was 2015 it's been a long time since they've had to investigate a murder. if i leave tv for a week i'm resting. that's just me and i'm in the tv

business it is different than law enforcement. but how much does that calculate into what they're doing right now? i know they have the assistance of the fbi and state police -- but just from my experience and covering crime on the day-to-day basis, i have some question with some of the moves that are being made and if they have all of the resources that they need right here. are there any concerns from you right now? >> well i don't know enough to speak to that specifically what i would say is protocols for things like this that are put in lace for small department and generally it's a sort of -- lack of a better term big brother approach right local pd is small moscow idaho pd has not had a homicide in seven years so coming upon them it following preserve everything don't contaminate the scene once you get there and know there's no help that you can administer and everybody is beyond help of immediate cpr, et cetera preserve the scene, make sure it is not contaminated get crime scene there and you kick up and

state police comes. idaho state police will be experienced with vast resource and they'll be there prial their forensics they have all of the computer stuff they have that great lab, they're going to be great assistance there. they do have behavior unit but i think instincts are correct it's about forensics they got the help for that and as long as they preserved it nirnlly that initial arrival at scene whoever the white shield cops were that arrived at the scene if they preserved it all then they should be good. >> anita -- you've been doing this for a long time. you have the experience you've done with tragedies like this. how important it seems a little evasive what some of the questions that reporters are asking. is that typical here? because we have a man or woman on the loose here. and we have zero answers -- is that typical? >> well i think you know as a reporter these are tough stories to cover. you know, you're trying your best to get the information. you're trying to ask questions

that people are not asking to get one nugget of information yet you have to be sensitive right you have to be sensitive to you saw that reporter questioning the county prosecutor. she was, you know, doing her best she was -- throwing questions at him trying to get something. but again, he is hurting too. this is his community. so he has to be respectful to him. i think these situations and i have covered so many -- you're trying to get information out for the community. but you have to remember at the end of the day paul you know this only too well, you know, these are real people. these are real lives these people are at worst moment of their entire lives. and you're having to throw these questions at them. it is really, really impossible situation. >> what can you tell us about -- you know tragedies happen. we've dealt with this before. but one thing that i find unique with these folks because they haven't experienced it in the town since 2015, they are afraid to come on air.

our producers been knocking on doors talking with folks and they'll give them a statement and i'm not just talking about family members and we've had family members that we reached out to. they don't want to go on air because they're afraid that the killer will go after them next. >> well keep in mind the police chief already made a statement you heard from ted williams he had to walk back. he had to say to come back and say actually -- you may not be safe in the community. you know there is a killer out there. imagine the students on campus -- i've been reading a lot of things where a lot of articles saying that students don't want to come back to campus they're afraid professors are canceling classes. university is leak a ghost town. people don't know like -- okay maybe these students were targeted. but maybe he is going to go and look for someone else. at this point there isn't a lot of information. it is only a natural reaction to be scared isn't? >> you're so right anita there's been 500 times there's been 38

interviews. i'm just praying that they get something -- that we -- that they can give to the public to get more leads out there but right now it seems like it is crickets but we're going to be following it all. >> paulinos better than anyone sometimes, you know, as a reporter covering stories line this you have to keep an open mind. sometimes they're looking at a suspect or number of suspects and everybody thinks it is got to be them and if could be someone else hiding in plain sight that you don't think about. >> fascinating thing i've been monitoring that as well anita is that the prosecutor on the scene said hopefully it would lead to a suspect but almost imply they don't have the suspect yet. anyway, coming up on cross country we get analysis from a forensic pathologist on next steps investigators are likely to take in order to bring the killer to justice. don't go anywhere.

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glans welcome back tonight we're joined by parents of kay oregon thank you for joining us we're so sorry for your loss.

kristy and steve can you tell me about your daughter tonight? >> our daughter was driven. she was a three time dean list member grades amazing she competed with everybody she loved competing she was just a highly driven person who -- had many goals in life. >> goals in life she had an internship that she was offered a full time position and we worked with them and they've been great with us this whole time but she was going to go somewhere. somewhere in life, and great member of society, and that's what we wanted. >> yeah. y'all have to be so proud of her as she was taken away from us far too soon. can you tell us what the authorities have been telling you? we want to do anything that we can to help you to get justice for your daughter and rest of the victims. what are they telling you? >> they're telling us that there's so much evidence that it is going to take a lot of time to process it all.

this wasn't like a pinpoint crime. this person was sloppy he did whatever when i say he you can't say that. that's just me. but he made a mess, and there's a mess there and they have to go through that point by point and that's going to take a lot of time. that's why they reached out to other facilities to help twhem that lab work. >> they do have -- a mobile unit on site that they said they're able to really expedite things with this mobile unit. hopefully they're reaching out to other dna processing type companies such as to get involved. they have not confirmed that they have dna from this person they said they have a ton of evidence and evidently today with the new task force the new fbi task force on sight and idaho state police they said they were able to pull a ton of,

a ton of evidence from the house today. >> yeah. and they're processing that. it just takes time. >> yeah. you know, we've only heard positive stories about your daughter and other victims out there. we -- we couldn't find anybody to say anything about them but only been they were givers. they loved everyone on campus, you see the videos on social media of them being so happy. did y'all have any clue, i mean, just haven't been a murder in your town since 2015 to any clue that may be unsafe on the campus was there any indication? >> absolutely not. and if they were we would have told kaylee to come home immediately swam maddy her family is our family and i know we are close with them they are not choosing to speak out and speak on and a and a half of mae they were best friends from little girls. she was part of our family she

was part of their family and absolutely not our son went to that college. no, no absolutely not. >> any daughter was very aware of her environment. she would film when she thought somebody was following her out of a grocery store or parking lot she was very aware that, you know, she was a pretty girl and that, you know, it could attract some problems so she was alert. she was a street wise child. she knew, she herself was a -- literally a through and through. you know, listen to, you know, which is just -- so ironic and so surreal in all of it. you know, just very, you know, sad for families that you hear about this type of stuff happening. mom did you hear about that she would keep track of it. she was very well aware of her surroundings she would think someone was following her and say mom there's somebody following me and like kaylee call the police and she would

say nevermind they turned into 7-eleven just she was aware. you know, and very aware. and she lock her doors at night and she locked her car. kaylee was home had just been home so we were so thankful that she's been home for a week and a half. she just bought a brand new vehicle for herself her first vehicle and planned a trip she was planning on backpacking across europe for the month of january. starting her new job in -- february with this internship that she had done offering her a well paid position that she was excited to take and she was with us for the last week and a half. she went home friday to literally go show off her new vehicle. she was like maddie has to see my new ride she had to see this and talking to maddie going back and forth between car she was buying and said i'm not going tell you you're going sees and wait until you see what i pull up in. that was friday and we spoke to kaylee on saturday she sent me

pictures that are online, and they were both of our girls. and they -- >> when was last time y'all spoke? what was last time what was that conversation like? was it just like you described? >> kaylee called me on saturday. my birthday was earlier in the week, and i think anything from my birthday boohoo it was in the a big deal but kaylee called me on saturday, and said mom i'll be home on tuesday and i'll take you out to breakfast lunch and dinner all on me and sweel celebrate your birthday, and i said well i don't know if i believe that. meaning she had pay, but that sounds great kaylee and -- and i'll see you on tuesday honey and she sent me pictures of her and maddie saturday afternoon around 3:00. had you had the opportunity to talk with victim family members i know you all are grieving together.

>> only maddie, and it was just over at our house. we had her mother and father here for a couple and it was emotional for us today that was first time that we had gotten together. and just -- just sad beyond belief just -- beyond anybody's worst nightmare. absolute i'm sure you could only fathom but it's -- it's just -- it's heartbreaking. maddie was an only child, and but like i said she was our child as well and even -- kaylee how many siblings she had that was four sisters and a brother. maddie was in our oldest daughter wedding she said all of my sisters are my bridesmaids and m.a.d.d. deefs one of the bridesmaids it was all of olivia's sisters including maddie. she -- every time we traveled out of the country or went on vacation

maddie went with us so this is both of our girls. and we will never stop. looking for who killed them. >> we want to do everything that we can do in our power to get justice for your daughter. we keep hearing this name jack and phone calls going back and forth. can you tell us anything about that? >> we love jack. absolutely love jack. we stand behind jack 1,000.. jack was kaylee's boyfriend for many years an recently broke up there was no animosity at all. it was a breakup on kaylee's point it was not they still talked every single day kaylee thought he needed a little break they were on the mend of getting back together. kaylee talked to jack whole time she was here for that week and a half -- we -- >> one of her last messages reached out to jack said jack get back to me and didn't she said we share a dog together which they did you need to reach out to me so please come over. she was wanting jack to come over. jack is --

not -- they're wasting their time with jack, and jack is just distraught as we are. jack is our family. jack is 100%, 2,000% our family. and jack is with us, and we stand behind him 100% we're supporting him and we know in our heart and our minds in our soul that depght of our soul jack is hurting and he -- and they would have been eventually been married and had children together so to stay ex-boyfriend -- it was kaylee being a brat like i just need a break. but jack was in her heart and they -- they were close to getting back together. and that was just kaylee being kaylee. so absolutely -- jack is no -- >> don't think he's a suspect at all. >> at all. >> ma'am, can you tell me about what the mood is like in the

town? you guys have been so brave to come on the program tonight. and talk about your daughter, talk about thes other victims, talk about the investigation. but a lot of people that weren't even, i mean, it was your daughter that was murdered. they are afraid to come on air because they feel like they could be next. are you hearing the same thing in the town? >> i don't like the fear. i want to share my address and give it to you to share with them. i have no fear whatsoever. this individual, i almost welcome him to come to my house. this community has been amazing every day we wake up with more food than we can ever eat donut things people are giving whole community is crying. everyone is hurting, everyone feels the pain of this. i mean at one thing out of this is i never realized how beautiful my community is and how much love there is there for

people. who have just one bad person and we have to find that guy. >> and yeah like my husband said, if he would like our address we would gladly give it to him and love for him to show up. >> i'm not hiding myself online. it is there. you can look me up. >> kristy and steve we continue -- we can't speak for those families. >> we continued to support you guys, and we want to remember your daughter's legacy tonight. what can we do in this stage of the investigation to help our audiences put the tip number up. but what can you do right now to get you guys answers? >> i think we need to post this timeline because there's -- it is a small community. this is like 6,000, 7,000 people we food a timeline out there to just random people can look there, i mean people don't know but their teslas are filming 7 days sweek there could be somebody who doesn't realize that they have evidence.

>> their ring cam. their phone they were out and they were recording and you know what they look and oh what's that shady person look that guy in the background it is always that -- those little things. if you get gas during time that this activity was -- gas stations somebody going in buy band-aids they're checking hospitals for somebody going in and we're seeing this person was wounded and hurt in this struggle or altercation that took place that night. you know, possibly needed stitches or were, you know, gong walgreens at 3 in the morning getting band-aids. these things -- post that, you post it on your site. should have a time line. that should help. >> we have that timeline -- we'll post it up if anyone that is in right there on the screen if you see something if you -- anything minor. anything. call the tipline if you were there in that area. any little piece of evidence can help the authorities. i want to give y'all one last

moment to tell our audience anything else -- >> my last thing is if you have a daughter, or even a son in that area turn on a track wrap share that information with your family don't walk around that town without everyone knowing who you are. this, you have to protect yourself. we have somebody loose. i don't to create a panic i don't to do anything like that. but we know what we know. there's somebody out there. he's a psycho, and your daughter needs to share her address with you. she might not like that. but that's what you do in times leak this. >> that's right. kristy and steve before i let y'all go because you've been talking with investigators what piece of evidence do y'all feel is most important that can break this case wide open? >> it is all digital. digital information -- phones, pinging off of their residence somebody is ring cams and they're combing through that. and obviously, physical evidence

from the inside the house. >> if you have a router you know you're within walking distance of this happened turn what into the evidence don't make them go find it. you give it to them. reach out to them. your neighbor because if he had a phone in his pocket his walking -- so close phones are so close his phone was trying to connect to those internets he's walking through if he has his phone he she we're assuming it was a he. just let people know. you could have evidence and not know. my wi-fi is available to you. if you want to search like don't make it hard or difficult. don't make search warrants have to be gotten and to search for this. say i'm kaylee and maddie's neighbor. check my wi-fi check my account verizon account, whatever. you could be the key. you could be the key. >> wow. yeah. i would think that fbi is doing that. but we -- but it takes time and if you volunteer it, instantly. kristy and steve, you have been

so kind -- and you've poured your heart to our audience and we stand with you and rest of the victims families. thank you all we continue to pray with you guys thank you so much for joining me tongts. >> thank you so much. you got it. bye-bye. let's bring in forensic pathologist contributor michael baden thank you so much for joining the program. you just heard the family. we're continuing to grieve with theanl try to get them answers. you heard some of the information about this, them being stabbeds. while they were asleep, what can you tell us about that autopsy, sir? two things, mom just mentioned about the evidence at the scene. bloody, the blood that ted williams referred to most important forensic blood, bloody shoe prints to tell whether or not one or more perpetrators.

with all of that blood whoever is doing this would have left -- footprint bloody -- impact sites. also the blood is very slippery so may be drops of blood around that perpetrator cuts himself with the edge of the blade because it slips on a handle as he keeps stabbing people. the autopsy itself is concern can show if somebody was targeted. usually if there's a perpetrator going after one person, for example in particular that person sleeping would have different pattern or stab wounds than thes other three people who may have awakened, and while this is going on. and he kills them as collateral damage didn't intend to kill them but kills them because they now can identify him because they know who he is. he doesn't go after the two

women in the other room because they didn't see him. he wasn't there to kill everybody. he was there perhaps to kill one person and kill the others because they saw him. so that's all issues that can be gained looked into from the actual autopsy report on the nature of the injuries. that can be helpful, of course, sometimes with multiple stabbings, if the knife hits bone it can break the ten off, and if there's a tip of the weapon in one of the bones then that can be used to specifically identify not only the nature of the weapon but also the specific weapon that was used. from the break pattern. >> you know doc i want to stay on that murder weapon what we know so far they believe it is the same murder weapon for all four victims.

so we know already based on that autopsy if it was multiple offenders at large or do we pretty much know that it is one person right now? >> well they would know if -- they don't know. they would -- however, they were know if more than one person from the bloody shoe prints when there's a lot of blood on the walls and elsewhere there's a lot on the floor, and the perpetrator to deal with there's or four different people has to step in that blood. and that blood if it's protected and collected first going to the scene while the bodies are still there would show the sneaker, boot, shoe prints of whoever steps in the blood. and that would -- my experience we have multiple stab wounds the bleeding goes on the floor pretty much before

everything is finished. s that it took team kill four people, and there's a lot of blood so to get all of that information before police and other people come in and ems people come to the scene itself. so -- stuff same thing that they came in with a vehicle that tire vehicle would be different than the ones that normally stay there. doctor it's been told to us that there was defensive wounds, how critical are those in the data that we gather from that? will it be for this investigation and if the killer is we know is at large, what shall we be looking as we put these tips in from those defensive wounds and what it may reflect on that suspect that's

at large? >> it might indicate if the people truly if the four of them were sleeping as has been leaked. we'll know better tomorrow i think after the press conference. if they were four asleep and perpetrator went or after a tart person that person would have been stabbed not able to defend herself or himself. the other three people if they awoke and they see who it is, would be ones who would have defensive wounds on them but not the target person if that -- if the plan was to get one person and not to stab all four people they will stab all four people why not get the two who are upstairs unless he didn't know the building enough. but it sounds more like to me from other similar situations where there's a lot of collateral damage as people were

killed weren't intended to be killed all will be consistent with one person if they were sleeping there were four people who were up and awake as initially reported. then you need somebody to control them. >> yeah. >> but sleeping ones can get up one at a time, and killing them is necessary because he's somebody they knew. >> doctor thank you for joining me so much on this breaking news. >> thank you, lawrence. up next with speak to panel of experts about weapon and other evidence found at the scene the crime all of that and more as we continue our ongoing coverage on the tragedy in idaho. that's next. it's every-other-month, injectable cabenuva. for adults who are undetectable, cabenuva is the only complete, long-acting hiv treatment you can get every other month. cabenuva helps keep me undetectable. it's two injections, given by my healthcare provider, every other month. it's one less thing to think about while traveling.

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lawrence: what piece of evidence do y'all feel is most porpght that can break this case wide open? it's all dimmingal. dangerral information phones pinging of a of their residence. somebody ring cams, and they're combing through that. and, obviously, physical evidence from the inside the house. >> if you have a router you know you're within walking distance of this happened turn that into evidence don't make them go find it. you give it to them and reach out to them. >> your neighbor because if he

had a phone in his pocket walking their phones so close his phone was trying to connect to internet as he's walking through, if he had his phone he, she we're assuming taces it is a he. just let people know. >> let authorities know. my wi-fi is available to you if you want to don't make it hard, difficult, don't make search warrants have to be gotten and to search for this. just say i'm kaylee maddie's neighbor check my wi-fi check my account verizon act whatever, whatever. you could be the key. you could be the key. >> yeah. i would think that fbi is doing that but -- it takes time and if you volunteer it, instantly. >> that was parents of kaylee oregon goncalves in murder of four college students last

weekend and what investigators have a targeted attack. the victim were found stabbed to death in a bed showing appearing some defensive wounds. police are also searching for large fix blade weapon described as a ranbo style knife an former fbi fox news contributor steve burr master along with neuropsychologist thank you for joining me tonight. during this breaking news, sir i want to go to you first. we've gotten drone footage of what it looks like they're looking at tire tracks they're still processing the scene. we know the bau unit is in there to collect evidence as well. so tell me what are they looking for in that house to direct them to this killer. >> sure, this particular case there's a plethora of evidence involved and any time that

there's a violent incident there's beginning to be multiple pieces of evidence from blood, hair, fiber, shoe prints, and then potentially if the individual was operating a vehicle there could be vehicle tracks on the outside. everything from even finger prints and dna so a plethora of evidence and take while and one of the missing features of this particular case is the motive. and so we think of evidence as a bunch of afraid fibers we can mend those together and they'll lead us towards that motive. but in this case, there's still some information yet unfounded as far as electronic information intufs with numerous people, and, of course, the behavioral side taking a look at both the victims themselves and even the violent crime itself pulling that altogether. and i think investigators can use forensic intelligence to weave this together to help lead them to that motive. >> steve it is leak you were reading my mind that was a

perfect segway for doc bau unit is on scene trying to find a pattern here. we know the killer is at large so they haven't been able to interview him to find that motive. what do you think the bau unit is looking forward to help capture this guy? >> what they should be looking for is the victimology and any particular risk factors that these victims might have had. the circumstances of the crime strongly suggest that the killer had some personal cause as part of the motivation. we know so far we've been told that it is not a robbery and that the coroners report indicated that there are no signs of sexual assault. so they should be looking for somebody who might had a grudge. felt slighted, by one or all of the victims. but i tend to agree with what doctor baden said earlier it is

lookly there was a primarily target and that the other three might have been killed as collateral damage trying to come to the aid of the primary victim or because they were witnesses that could have identified the killer. >> steve you have a lot of experience with the bau unit as well with they're partner when is you were at the fbi. how quickly does it -- take, you know, to get that profile out to put it out to the public or do they even put it out to the public for us to find this guy? >> typically it is close to the vest mostly for investigative purposes. but peenging on how complex the case is, and how many victims are involved and types of evidence that are presented in the case, it can take some time. there's a lot of things to evaluate and understand interviews, they need to really tack a close look at the evidence that itself -- to draw any type of conclusion

when it comes to behavior. they can make some broad investigatory steps to help lead investigators but when it comes back to really isolating the core traits of an individual or individuals that might have perpetrated a crime it is very difficult it can take some time. >> doc i have to go but i have to ask you this because the way the crime was committed, does it suggest this was premeditated from your experience or know about that? >> absolutely -- and i think that nature of the weapon also speaks to that as well. you know this is not a utility knife that somebody might just be carrying because they need a screwdriver or, you know, to cut the tag off their new clothes. the nature of the weapon itself suggest that the person went there with intent to kill and i do believe it was a male as well just statistically speaking in these sorts of cases. that's the story of perpetrator you're going to be looking for

and also to echo what doctor baden said earlier, you know we've only learned that ire vehicle many multiple stab wounds but thring could be clues with one victim that had an exponentially or significantly larger number of stab wounds than others -- that suggest that the killer spent more time with that person and that that person might have been the primary target whereas others might have just had to have -- been killed as collateral damage. >> doc so much resourceful information steve thank you you as well sir thank you both. let's bring in fugitive expert lanny sir thank you so much. lenny you heard from the parents there giving us their emotional interview right there. you just heard from doctor baden as well as doctor lauren miller some of your colleagues in this field. what can we do it is up to folks

leak you that wear badge that got there and hunt this person down. what can you tell us? >> good evening lawrence yes i've been paying close attention to your previous guest they're right on the money with all of their remarks and whatnot. but right now law enforcement is chasing a ghost. i mean, i don't believe they have a suspect or person of interest and if they do they're going keep it close to the vest and rightfully so. but the crime scene itself is extremely important. there was no signs of forced entry. i think they have a key pad on front door you have to purge punch in number to get in the door an showed up that doofers open. but i feel that the victims themselves that digital foot precinct and intercepts of that nature. but you know they've got to get somebody identified. and then at that point you know hopefully they bring in the u.s. marshal to agency and finding people in this country and put this thing to bed to bring closure to, you know, to the victims families.

>> you know lenny parents agree with you about that digital foot precinct they say most important thing based on what they've heard from investigators but i have to ask you this because of the way this crime was committed and hunted down type of murders does this suggest that the person that killed them knew he knew these victims? >> no doubt lawrence. that was a hate crime. he's up close and he or she whoever it is up close and personal with a knife multiple stab wowppedz to each four the victims and upper torso. she's right, former greece this wasn't a burglary this wasn't a robbery there was no sign of any sex assault. you know information taken -- so either somebody knew what they were targeting somebody and at that point made entry had a key to get in door might have been unlocked but i doubt it listening to -- to kaylee's parents, but yeah it was definitely a targeted attack, and, you know, got to get a bunch of eyes and ears out

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