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the republican party is at -- howard: msnbc just blew it off as a former president of the united states and the clear front-runner for the republican nomination formally announced he's making another bid for the white house. look, showing the speech and then spend the next 23 hours slamming it, if you want. by boycotting the address can, you're telling your audience we're at war with this guy, and we don't want you to see it because, what, it might influence you? and here was the approach on "morning joe." >> we're not showing the clips this morning not to make any point, but just because it's not interesting. we've heard it all before, and it was just a bunch of grievances, a bunch of lies so really why even play it? howard: hey, it's fair to criticize the speech. i fact checked it on deadline, but msnbc spent much of the next day ripping the former president for the address it refused to carry. fox news drew 5.1 million viewers in that 9 p.m. eastern hour, cnn drew 2.4 million, both

huge increases from the previous hour. msnbc went up only 30,000 viewers to 1.8 million. will these folks keep boycotting most of what candidate trump says? i'm howard kurtz, and this is "mediabuzz." ♪ ♪ howard: we'll get to the republican takeover of the house and koj naming its special -- koj naming its special counsel in just a couple of minutes. the media divide over the former president's announcement speech could not be deeper. >> what does it mean when the mastermind of a failed coup attempt against the unite government throws his hat in the ring for another run at the white house? >> i think trump's announcement didn't scare anybody off, it was rather subdued. i don't think anybody was particularly impressed with what he did at mar-a-lago. >> if he stays on message the way he did tonight, he's got a

formidable case to make to a republican electorate. >> the earliest announcement many history because donald trump is being pursued by grand juries. >> all of us are tired of people eling us that in the candidate shouldn't have run or that candidate shouldn't have run are. let the people decide. they're bad candidates, the people are responsible for it. howard: joining us now to analyze the cover coverage, ben domenech with "the spectator," and in los angeles, leslie marshall, both are fox news contribute ors. ben, you've made clear that you favor ron desantis. look, donald trump's been getting hostile coverage from the media for seven years. i've never seen anything hike, most media outlets savaging him for having the temerity to run. [laughter] >> i actually was pleasantly surprised by that speech for a number of reasons because i thought it was more subdued, more serious than we normally get out of donald trump. certainly it was more, you know, something that seemed very much taking the job seriously and

laying out, i think, the case he'll make to the american people. i didn't see anything from that speech to spine the kind of hay red that it got in the media with, and i understand that the certain people don't want him to run, but this is an incredibly important or, you know, historical event just in terms of seeing a former president trying to retake his job and the kind of coverage that it received, i think, spoke more to the ideology involved and to the resentments people have toward him than toward what was actually on the screen. howard: leslie, there was plenty to pick apart in this speech saying he left the economy many fabulous shape when, actually, it had been flattened by the pandemic. but if it was so boring that msnbc ignored it, why did its people and everybody else spend the next days talking about it and ripping trump's candidacy? >> well, first,st not usual but, ben, this is happening more and more. i agree on two things, i do think desantis would beat trump and, two, i do think they should have aired this because

it is news. there's only twice before in the history of president i says in our nation where presidents have done this. two, you could cut away and, three, howie, to your point if it's about ratings, well, that was obviously a poor choice. and for you to rip it, that's fine, but you have no point of reference for your viewers in that ripping. i do think though that there are some people out there, certainly on my side of the aisle, that feel that when donald trump is on television or wherever donald trump is, that those the are the types of things that led up to further division as we've seen and we are at many our nation and led up to january 6th. so once bitten, twice shy. how're howe we're starting off on a rare moment of agreement here. let me just read from washington post as an example. headline: trump, who as president fomented an insurrection, says he is running again. lead paragraph. donald trump, the twice-impeached former president who refused to concede defeat

and inspired an attempt to overturn the 2020 election officially declaring. ben, not even any pretense -- [laughter] >> well, i don't think that's, i mean, that kind of coverage is only going to help donald trump become the kind of sympathetic figure that he likes to play when it comes to these things in the way that he has this relationship with the media with. but one thing to keep in mind here is last time around, in 2016, you saw the media really, you know, fawning over trump, playing all of his speeches, all of his rallies and the like, leaning into that. and so to a certain extent, i feel like this is an overcorrection. this is kind of them saying we screwed up last time. we thought that he could never win, so we did this whole game where we put him on tv all the time because we thought we could make a play for ratings but not have to be worried that he would ever beat hillary clinton. because he made that mistake last time around, i think this time around they may adopt a

different approach, using january 6th as the reason why. howard: let's wily, he's a former president of the united states, and, yes, he has lost support because of his relentless focus on the stolen election and because his candidates basically handed control of the senate to the democrats. but are media based on these examples that i'm reciting here going to cover trump as if they were the opposition party? [laughter] >> stop, ben, taking my talking points, because i would say some of what ben said i agree with. you know, one of the things that i found prior, being the journalist prior my career to being what i am now, democrat strategist, political analyst, you need to report facts. and one of the a facts is donald trump lies. he lied about economic numbers in this speech as you pointed out, rightly so. so, you know, to me, you've got to run the announcement, don't run the rallies. if i were a programming director at networks, i would say don't

run the rallies, because if you're going to do that, you've got to do that for every single candidate and, basically, to me, that's feeding the beast. no network should be this to help elect or prevent the election. howard: reporting the facts is a very good guiding standard, and western all think about that. concern we should all think about that. okay, i want to get to this other topic which is merrick garland announcing that he has named a special counsel to run the day-to-day probe of donald trump, the existing investigations. he's named jack smith who was a former head of of the justice department's public integrity unit, currently prosecuting war crimes in the hague. and donald trump responded by saying this: >> the corrupt and highly political justice department just appointed a super-radical left special counsel better referred to as a special prosecutor to start process all over again. we thought it was just about dead. this is a rigged deal just as

the 2020 election was rig. rigged. howard: back to the rigged election. look, the idea was to let a neutral person run this probe because trump is a candidate, and as garland said, joe biden is a likely candidate although the a.g. will make the final call. >> i understand that you have to do this. i think to have appearance of independence, but i don't think that republicans are going to buy it for a second. i think particularly the fact that jack smith also participated in the probe of bob mcdonald that was thrown out by the supreme court is something immediately people started talking about. and i think that, you know, the president, obviously, is going to treat as a hostile act against him. we're going to have to see where it goes, see how plays out, but i wouldn't expect my republicans to have confidence in this being an independent investigation. howard: leslie, the reaction in the left-leaning media has ranged from, well, this is great because it shows merrick garland must hi he has a case to potentially prosecute against donald trump to this is terrible

because it's unnecessary, and it will slow down the investigation. >> and it's too late, a lot of people on my side are saying this should have come earlier. a couple of things here. you know, a lot of people as we've seen in the midterms have moved on from donald trump. and i think some of those people who have moved on or are on the fence might come back to trump, and i had one person on twitter say in the other day, just because of this alone. because this feeds into his narrative of him being the victim and everybody's out to get him, you know, especially democrats and people in democratic administrations, one. two, i understand why they have to do this. three, having a special counsel as we saw with durham and with mueller does not lead to people in hand cuffs or people that you think or hope will be in handcuffs. and lastly, we have to remember that this individual that has been appointed in 2010 was criticized because when he first started in this oversight position, he did not lay any indictments down on any members

of congress, and people thought he was extremely soft on that. so we'll see what happens. howard: all right. i just love the fact that, first of all, his name is jack smith -- [laughter] and, second of all, no one's ever heard of him. it's gotten much less attention on the right where some pundits are saying, well, he's a democrat because he worked at d to oj in the clinton and is obama administrations -- doj. but he's a career prosecutor, and you can criticize this or that action. and trump is calling him radical democrat. no matter what garland had done, if he was running it, another guy running it, i think it was going to be criticized by the former -- >> and, again, we have an institutional trust breakdown in america across so many different ranges, but in particular we see it when its to law enforcement, the department of justice and the fbi where republicans have gone from being the party of law and order to having major problems with the way that entity is being run. howard: right. you know, it was reported widely, leslie, just briefly, that trump declared his

candidacy so early because he thought that would help him with the justice department investigation. but i never could quite figure out the reasoning there because it wasn't going to derail the probes, and now it has led to the special counsel which everybody i knew there had been leaks -- everybody knew there had been leaks. [laughter] >> i don't know why he announced so early. look, sometimes it benefits people to be first, but sometimes if you have a longer period of time, you have the come up with more cash, and we've seen, you know, million millionaires and billionaires pull away from supporting him, pulling their money that hay threw at him back in 2016. and, you know, you also have more time for your opponents to get their game up to be above yours and to dig up more dirt on you, although i kind of think we know all the dirt on donald trump at at this point. howard: let me jump in here, ben, what do you think of elon musk reinstating trump, and will he come back?

>> i want to know if elon's going to make every decision an on line poll, and i'm going to have to pay more attention -- [laughter] howard: something like 15 million people. >> mostly people, some bots. [laughter] i think that democrats should very much want to have donald trump back on twitter. i think that it's just beneficial to them. it puts it more in the mindset of never going away, of always being on people's minds, and i think that's just unquestionably good for democrats going into the next -- howard: leslie, briefly. [laughter] >> stop, ben, stop. i agree. you know, i was wondering how many of the 51% in that poll were actually democrats. then again, you have a lot of democrats that left twitter -- howard: wait, you want trump back on twitter too? why? [laughter] >> well, one, it scares me because it can be dangerous. but it's entertaining -- the. [laughter] it can help, it can really help show, hey, guys, you want to go

down in the path again? but i want to say one thing -- howard: no, no, no, i've got to go. >> elon musk is going to make all the decisions because all his employees are gone. [laughter] howard: when we come back -- yeah, chief twit. house republicans are already targeting hunter biden, and the press isn't pleased. ♪ ♪ once he's all on his own? this is financial security. and lincoln financial solutions will help you get there. as you plan, protect and retire. ♪ the hiring process used to be the death of me. but with upwork... with upwork the hiring process is fast and flexible.

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howard: it took nine long days after the election for news outlets to project that republicans will control the house by a handful of seats, instantly transforming the balance of power as nancy pelosi steps down as democratic leader but holds on to her congressional seat. and she was widely praised even by some on the right who admire her denasty. ben, the media have jumped on house republicans for this bit

of timing. an incoming chairman is out there saying he's going to subpoena hunter biden. now, they have every right to investigate, but some pundits say shouldn't you talk about your agenda, what you're going to do for the american people? >> one of the reasons, one of the ramifications for this outcome in terms of having the house and not having the senate is rather than have a legislative agenda or something along those lines that you could try and put in front of joe biden, confront him at the white house, you're going to see all of the house republicans invested very heavily in this type of oversight activity. i think it's fine for hem to talk about this, but one of the lessons that i took away from this election was that there was too little focus on the agenda side of things in terms of solving the problems the that americans actually prioritize, the kitchen table issues, which do not include hunter biden. yes, they can do this, but i think one of the things -- and it's important to do, but i think one of the things that they need to understand as a party is getting too invested into that as the only thing that

people identify with puts you at many of a distance -- at more of a distance from independent voters. howard: the house did the same thing to trump, and that's politics. is it likely the press will portray not just going after hunter biden, but all the other political hearings that will be held as overreach in. >> oh, absolutely. and just stop is. ben and i agree on this because after the election what we saw is people saying we don't want conspiracy theories, we don't want investigation after investigation, we want you to focus on kitchen table a issues, which abortion is one for them, for voters that we found mt. midterms. and the republicans are basically saying, okay, we won just the house by a very slim majority, same slim majority democrats had, let's go after hunter biden. this is not going to work for hem and, honestly, this is not mt. best interest of the american people. the reason so many americans will support or applaud divided government is because they keep hoping that santa claus is real

and democrats and republicans can work together to get things done. we've seen it with infrastructure and other things, in former administrations, it can be done again but not when you're spending time with hunter biden. and i'm hearing hay want to bring benghazi back for an 18th decision that hillary clinton did nothing wrong. howard: well, if house republicans, presumably led by kevin mccarthy, can't count on anything from the democrats which may be hard given their strong right wing, won't there be media criticism that they couldn't deliver? >> i think there'll be some media criticism if they end up not doing anything when it comes to the agenda items very important to hair voters, in terms of border, criminal justice, trying the make sure we can get this economy working again. i think all of those are things they can do. look, you have to be able to walk and chew gum at the same time, and i think in case it would be a slap in the face to a

lot of their own supporters if they did not go after a number of these very legitimate issues, i believe, have been raised, questions around hunter biden's funding, about the sources of money, the potential overlap with the president himself. those are all legitimate questions that i think they should investigate but, frankly, i care a lot more getting to the bottom of a lot of questions related to covid that a we never got full answers from, this administration and on the foreign side of things. i care a lot about, you know, investigating and getting to the bottom of that. and that's actually an issue that i think the american people have as more of a direct impact on their day-to-day life than anything that was discovering hunter biden's -- discovering hunter biden's potential corruption. howard: this is going to be a sea change. leslie, when the media had stories about how the democrats had such a great midterm election, i remember thinking it doesn't matter if the republicans win by one vote, it

blocks the biden agenda. >> true. not messily though. there are areas -- necessarily though. there are areas where there can be bipartisan agreement, and immigration is one. look, if democrats and republicans get together and pass legislation to change our current asylum laws, we wouldn't have millions of people standing at our border because they wouldn't have to. that's one example. two, you know, it depends on what district you're from and how conservative or moderate you are as a republican. we've already seen a dozen republicans vote with democrats on the latest piece of legislation passed. howard: okay. >> and, lee the, it just after, you know, claiming you're going to have a red wave, a mandate and all pure, it makes you -- power, it makes you look foolish. howard: up next, will donald trump return to twitter now that elon musk taking that poll has reinstated him? ♪ ♪ i got into debt in college and, no matter how much i paid, it followed me everywhere. so i consolidated it

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howard: the chaos at elon musk's new company has produced a media death watch and a new hashtag, rip twitter. big news, musk has restored trump's account after a twitter poll. joining us now from connecticut, charlie gasparino, senior correspondent for fox business network. charlie, elon musk who, by the way, brilliantly timed this for the sunday shows, said he wouldn't reinstate anyone until he formed a contented moderation council. then he said, what the hell, i'll take a poll p. i say he's going to be back. what say you? >> by the way, i think he did that just for your show. howard: thank you elon. [laughter] >> yeah, i think he's going to be back. full disclosure, i retweeted donald's last tweet which said protest peacefully during january 6th, just a reminder where we've been. howard: right. >> i think he comes back. i think he can't help it. st he's like a moth to flame when it comes to publicity.

i also think the media is kind of tired of his act. you can just see it in the coverage. it's a lot more skeptical, it's a lot less, you know, they're starting to ignore him, meaning the mainstream media, the coverage of him is much more. maria: cynical than it ever was before or nonexistent. i think he liked the battle with the jim acostas. what he doesn't like is to be ignored, and i think he's starting to be ignored -- howard: right. he's still attacked a lot and, by the way, there's a contractual thing with social that it has to have a 6-hour lead time. look, elon musk gave the staff a 36-hour ultimate ultimatum to commit to working long hours at high intensity or leave and take three months' severance. an estimated 1200 people just quit. how much is that adding to the chaos in. >> you know, listen, the tweets are still working. howard: last time i checked,

yeah. [laughter] >> i can get through with it. this is where i, you know, i don't know how many people he actually needs to run that place officially. now -- efficiently. now, it's a capital the intensive operation just to do all the little things you can cowith a tweet. it take as people and manpower. there is a point, a tipping point, where if you lose too many people, you're going to blow up the system. i don't know where we are, i'm not an expert at this, but i will say -- howard: i was just going to say, look, these headlines farewell to twitter, i think, are overstated -- >> that's what i was going to say, way overstated. howard: people criticized him internally on the slack message system, although we don't know what was said. each people who are sympathetic saying musk running this kind of company, it's harder than rocket science in a way. >> well, it is. listen, he's not -- i think he's a great visionary. i don't think a particularly

good businessman. we can devote a whole show to that and just look at where he's the la is right now and some of the thatvilles -- doctor are vail -- travails that tesla had. i think people are underestimating the ability to make money on twitter. cbs might leave, progressives might reeve, but financial services is addicted to twitter. twitter moves stocks. there is the money to be made on this thing from a financial side if he ever figures out how to do it. if i post a story on a company that is market-moving, i put it on twitter, and that stock moves almost immediately. there are algorithms to it. so wills something in this -- there is something in bit. and i don't think you make money over a bunch of progressives yapping about donald trump. i don't think that's a great audience. howard: some of the liberals say i'm getting off because i will not share the platform with donald trump. meanwhile, though, musk rushed out the $8 a month verification service to the point that it was

so badly botched that jesus christ was a verified user. now he's shut that down until the end of the month. he want everything done yesterday. got that go, charlie. good to see you, as always, you've been great at following this story is even since musk said he might want to buy it. some of the conservative media are backing donald trump's candidacy and some are sharply critical or backing ron desantis. is this the new battleground? ♪ ♪ as still over 9. (man) then i got the dexcom g6. i just glance at my phone and... ...there's my glucose number. no fingersticks. none. yes! yay! my diabetes is no longer a mystery. you see a spike after eating raisins. but dark chocolate? no spike. that's a huge victory. my a1c's dropped over two points. to 7.2. (woman) i actually can't wait for my next doctor's appointment.

howard: some in the conservative media but certainly not all have broken with donald trump over his third presidential campaign. that's captured by an editorial simply titled, no, saying republicans should reject his candidacy without hesitation or doubt. joining us now, morgan ortegus, official mt. trump administration, and here in the studio, jim garrity, national review's senior correspondent.

new york post ran headline at the bottom of page 1, florida man makes announcement, and then it linked to a very snarky, brief item on page 26. morgan, does it trouble you that a number of high profile conservative outlets and commentators from "the wall street journal,"s to national review, to ben shapiro are saying the republicans should just move on from donald trump? >> no, this was the same thing that was said in 2015, 2016. you know, it's up to the voters to decide. i think trump sort of comes into this race as the returning champion, and i don't know that that's actually the best position for him. if you look at 2016 and 2020, he did better in 2016 when he had all of these candidates, what, 17. that he needed to go through? i think he does a little bit better whenever his back is up against the wall. the bottom line is it is going to be an incredibly competitive general election in '24 no matter who it is, not because biden and kamala harris aren't weak, they're incredibly weak, but you have to go up against a

media no matter what who the republican candidate is that is in the tank often for the democrat nominees. first of all, we only have one declared candidate right now, it's only donald j. trump, but if we do have more people enter the race, a healthy primary -- primard thing. howard: jim, that was a stinging editorial in national review, and you write if the republicans nominate trump, we're in for at least another two years of what do you think of the latest crazy thing trump said? sounds like you have an advance case of trump fatigue. >> hey, a lot of people have an advance is case of trump fatigue. this is going to be 8 straight years in which basically trump has dominated the public discourse. maybe faded a little bit in 202- howard: perhaps with the willing acquiescence of the press? >> absolutely. the it's great for ratings and clicks. i think it was ceo of cbs who said back during the republican primary of 2016, well, it may not be good for america, but it

sure as hell is good for cbs. well,ing that's great. maybe we could put the country's interests a little higher on priority the list. look, you know, this is a very different time hand it was in 20156-2016. -- 2015-2016. donald trump could say, hey, take a chance on me. now he's a known quantity. and year's exit polls in every single state, even the deep red ones, more people had an unfavorable opinion of donald trump than a favorable one. howard: well, my fox colleague, morgan, marc thiessen in washington post column, called trump one of the greatest conservative presidents of modern times and begged him not to run saying he'll lose and destroy his legacy. that seems to be the conventional wisdom from a lot of republicans who want to move on from the former president. >> i think when you say a lot of republicans, howie, i would define what that means. i think a lot of beltway people, all of us who go to dinner and talk to each other are saying

this to each other, but that's not necessarily what i'm hearing in places like tennessee where i live. now, you can make the case to people that they should vote for desantis the or for someone else, you know, who may run in the primary, i just don't think that you're going to convince republican primary voters that trump is bad and that piling on him is going to cause them not to vote for him. in fact or, the media piling on djt may actually cause more primary voters to vote for him. you have to make the case to republican primary voters that while they loved donald trump and his policies and thought he was a great president, if you are candidate x and you decide to run that you can win and that you can do a better job governing -- howard: right, right. >> that's the path to winning. it's sort of what the georgia governor did, virginia governor did, youngkin, kemp. they never criticized trump. they didn't go after him. when you go after trump, it just irritates primary voters. it's not a winning strategy, in my opinion. howard: you make oned good point, very few pro-trump voices

in the mainstream media. if you're anti-trump, you've got an msnbc show. [laughter] jim, in 2016 national review ran a story against trump, contributions from other publications, and he rolled to victory. now trump says why does anyone read national review? they are to so negative to conservatives and me. it is failing fast, let it die. your reaction. >> you know, probably since the early '80s people have been saying this is the end of donald trump. in national review, since the 1950s people have been saying this is end of national review. they've peaked, they're in decline -- howard: yeah. he punched back. >> he announced tuesday night. we ran that editorial wednesday morning. oddly enough, like mid friday afternoon, he puts that post on truth social. we're washed up, who cares, etc. it was an hour and a half after the independent counsel announcement, and it's, like, do you have anything else on your mind? howard: i take it you're not depressed about this.

>> no. howard: i think you alluded to this earlier, morgan, andive ooh got less than a minute, doesn't it prove that trump can vanquish the conservative media or at least the part of the conservative media that is saying, no, no, no, we're done with this guy, you know? we love ron desantis? >> yeah. well, he did it once, and the question is will he be able to do it again. again, i think what americans care about -- and i heard maria bartiromo talking about this earlier on "fox & friends" -- they care about the price of gasoline, they care about price of eggs, they care about the price of milk, and things are only going to get worse in the economy next year. so whomever runs, again, or donald trump's the only declared candidate on the republican side right now, but whomever runs has to make the case to the american people, even to the republican primary voters, that he can make their life better, make sure their children go back to school, that they can get an education that's free of a lot of these woke things that are really disturbing parents right now. so i think that in the places in

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howard: in a sit-down with abc's david muir, mike pence was asked about donald trump's actions on january 6th when his president tweeted the vp lacked the courage to block the certification of joe biden. >> well, i -- the president's words were reckless, and his actions were reckless. the president's words that day at the rally endangered me and my family and everyone at the capitol building. howard: mike pence paused for a very long time when the question was asked, and even though the media disdained him during his

four years as vice president is, they like when he calls out donald trump, right? >> well, they like when anyone does that, and he's e selling a book now, doing a lot of interviews. i've watched a a lot of his interviews, and i think it's very interesting. he talks glowingly of his time as vice president. he often repeats no one else would have won and beat hillary clinton except donald trump, and is he talks about his policy accomplishments under the trump-pence administration. so again, i think going back to our last segment, it seems that mike pence is trying to, as he sticks his toe in the water, is trying to poll that kemp, youngkin and other model of not directly criticizing the president but, again, trying to make the case that they may be the better person for the moment. that's what i've heard pence say mostly on the campaign trail. but i guess he hasn't announced that -- not campaign trail, the book tour. howard: right, the book tour. on the other hand, jim, ron desantis was asked by reporters in florida about trump's attacks on him,

desanctimonious and so forth, and here's what he said. >> i think what you, what you learn is all that's just noise. i would just tell people to go check out the scoreboard from last tuesday night. howard: the media played this up as a real slap at don rump, but wasn't it more of a deflection? -- donald trump. >> each one of these guys is using the model that works best for them. ron desantis is still governor. it's not even thanksgiving in 2022 -- howard: incredible, yeah. >> -- so he's got a lot of road ahead. howard: in no rush to get in. >> if he announces, it wouldn't expect it until late spring next year. pence, as a former vice president, i don't want to say he has nothing to do, but he's on the book tour, and this is time for him, i think, to speak very honest. you mentioned that pause, but i think it was very clear, it was kind of like, okay, i'm going to speak honest wily about this. the president is reckless, or was reckless, that is a direct criticism of donald trump.

howard: yeah, no question about that. let me get you both in on the story we keep coming back to which is elon musk taking a poll, reine shading -- reinstating donald trump the on twitter. trump says he doesn't see any reason, he's sticking with social, but i personally think it's only a matter of time. thoughts. >> i think if he can focus on facebook, if he gets back on there, that's a much better use for his voters. twitter is not real life. howard: i've noticed. >> there's not a single time that a primary voter, general election voter that i talked to mentioned something about twitter. it is a, you know, it's just a cyclone of all of us speaking to each other. it's not what voters care about. in fact, some of the biggest twitter personalities went out to campaign, and they had no effect really on the general election. so twitter isn't real life. he's going to do anything, he should go to facebook that's where the voters are. howard: jim, on the other hand, trump has 88 million followers

back, and is there even a case -- i mean, he can decide what he wants to do to, but is there even a case that a declared candidate for president more than two years after january 6th should not be allowed on twitter? the point is it's quite a megaphone gone -- >> if trump goes out and says, you had it coming, my guess is elon's going to take it away real fast. sooner or later the temptation is going to be too great, but when trump says something particularly crazy on traffic court social, everybody takes a screen shot and puts it on twitter two, so i wonder if it is that much of an advantage. it's basically cut and paste at this point. [laughter] he's also financially invested in truth social, and he's not in twitter. howard: you say we retweet trump, which is also true. jim, morgan, great to see you both this sunday. still to come, cnn's i few leader says his network should

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howard: cnn's chairman told an employee town hall that in covering donald trump, don't fall for the outrage porn because trump creates a lot of, quote, noise specifically designed to gin us up, and part of his strategy is to make sure everything he does gets a lot of coverage. so when he slips in something consequential like a coup, it feels like noise, and i don't want us to succumb to that. joining us now, griff jenkins, fox correspondent and anchor. trump's the declared front9-runner for the republican nomination. how to you not cover him when,

for example, he's hurling insult at other republicans? >> how we cover him is a major question percent next couple of years. for this assignment, i watched a lot of cnn this morning, and you might as well queue up led zeppelin's i can't quit you, baby, because it's the trump, trump, trump. trump back on twitter, what east he going to call mike pence, his nickname. so we're seeing right away this is like giving insuring right before the holidays. and, you know, for chris to make that proclamation, i'm sure it's well lended -- intended, but it's going to be difficult to not cover trump because he is a master of dominating the news cycle. howard: when he says he wants to return to down the middle journalism, says let's cut through the noise so when trump slips through something consequential like a coup, isn't he revealing what he thinks about the former president? >> right. so he wants to return the network to its core principles

of straight news regardless of the ratings, he says -- howard: yeah, that's great. >> with the next statement, how he feels about the former president who is now a presidential candidate. will he apply the fair and balanced? i don't know. that affects what the anchors and reporters will feel. howard: there is myth, i think, that the media got trump elected in 2016 by covering all his rallies. he had to beat 16 candidates, so so if msnbc doesn't cover his announcement, does it not cover the convention vex? does it mute his slide during the de-- side during the debates? >> they didn't air his announcement, and then they spent 23 hours the denouncing him. it's already started. he's already doing what he did so well, and i don't think it's going to be something that any network can avoid. howard: right. but i think there is a

distinction to be made because he is a master at sort of controlling the media agenda. and a lot of the coverage he gets is negative, but i always think that helps him because his base doesn't trust the press anyway. and also it seems that it's hard to resist because they all missed ratings they had when he was president, marley msnbc and cnn. >> that's right. now we know after the election line, that's going to be something everybody's going to be looking for. but to ignore his coverage, and he will give us entertainment, he is an entertainer at heart. to not cover it, i don't think, is something we're not going to see from anybody. bottom line, howie. howard: difficult distinctions to be made here, it seems to me because, you know, he is a declared candidate, and you've got to treat him like a declared candidate but not differently than other candidates except for about six months i don't think les going to be another candidate. it's going to be trump versus trump. griff jenkins, always good to

see you. >> thanks, howie. howard: before we go -- ♪ so take a look at what you've done. howard: plenty of bad blood for ticketmaster over the complete and utter meltdown for taylor swift's tour next spring. in the has become a national story as the site has crashed repeatedly, fans who were promised early access through special promotions spent hours and hours online often failing, and then ticketmaster canceled the planned sale to the general public saying, hey, not our fault, she's very popular. come on taylor swift says it's been excruciating and pisses her off. after days of excuses, ticketmaster finally apologized to taylor and her fans for the terrible experience. now the justice department is investigating. tickets are already being resold for as much as $28,000. what? guess the swifties will just have to shake it off.

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eric: we begin with tragic breaking news from colorado, 5 people shot to death, at least 18 others wounded in a mass shooting at a gay nightclub in colorado springs. this happened last night. police say that suspect was also injured. and he is now detained in area hospital in protective police custody, our nation, once again has to grapple with and confront the continuing epidemic of gun crimes. >> welcome to fox news live. i am eric shawn. arthel: hello i am arthe