park'd, we'll see you next time. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ shannon: i'm shannon bream. postelection shake-ups as republicans prepare to take the gavel. former president trump regains access to twitter, and nancy pelosi ends her era as democratic leader. ♪ ♪ >> for me, the hour has come for a new generation to lead the democratic caucus. shannon: political reverberations as republicans take control of one house of congress and president biden faces a tough choice about his own political future. and -- >> in order to make america great and glorious again, i am tonight announcing my candidacy for president of the united

states. [cheers and applause] shannon: donald trump declares he's in, and days later elon musk reinstates his twitter account. we'll discuss what the return of divided government means for the country with senior analyst brit hume. plus -- >> it's unlikely that it was fired from russia. shannon: the prospect of russia's war with ukraine bleeding into europe rattles a gathering of world leaders as a missile strikes a nato ally. we're joined by tom cotton and mark warner, two top senators. then -- ♪ it's me, hi -- hap san the taylor swift ticket snafu leads lawmakers to question ticketmaster's dominance yet again. our sunday panel weighs in on calls for an investigation and accountability, plus a reporter's notebook with peter doocy on trading barbs and

pleasantries with the president. >> let me take the one question from the most interesting guy i know -- >> reporter: thank you, mr. president. shannon: all right now on "fox news sunday." ♪ ♪ shannon: hello from fox news in washington. we begin with news breaking overnight. five people are dead, at least 18 more injured after a mass shooting at at an lgbtq nightclub in colorado springs. police say a suspect is in custody, and they do not know motive. here in washington president biden returned from an overseas trip to a changed dynamic, one where republicans are are poised to return to power in the house to, giving them leverage over mr. biden's agenda as he paces concerns about a recession and questions about a second term. tougher scrutiny of additional aid to the ukraine as russia's war wages on. we are joined by two top senators, democrat mark warper and republican tom catton -- tom

cotton. greg palkot is live in kyiv, lucas tomlinson live at the white house. >> reporter: president biden turned 80 years old today, becoming the country's first octogenarian commander in chief, but his birthday was not the main event here at the white house this weekend. the big headline was the wedding of the president's. >>ed. but biden's 80th a reminder to democrats that biden would be 82 at the start of a potential second term. biden says he intends to run again. on capitol hill two democratic icons who are also in their 80s -- house speaker nancy pelosi and house majority leader steny hoyer -- are stepping down from party leadership, paving the way for a younger generation of democratic leaders. as the republicans get ready to take the control in january, the gop already promising to investigate the president's son hunter. late this week the president returned from an overseas trip and his first face to face

meeting with chinese president xi who has just been appointed to an unprecedented third term. days later biden's attorney general announcing a new probe into the former president. appointing a special counsel,s maining why it's needed. >> based on recent developments including the former president's announcement that he is a candidate for president -- >> reporter: trump's former attorney general, william barr, weighing in. >> i personally think that they probably have basis for legitimately indicting the president. >> reporter: the white house says it was not aware ahead of time, and the justice department acted on its own. shannon? shannon: lucas tomlinson live at the white house, thank you. we turn to greg palkot live in kyiv. hello, greg. >> reporter: hi, shannon. yeah, air raid sirens again today in kyiv, more shelling reported at a big nuclear plant mt. southern part of the country and, yes, we're working our way through an international, high stakes drama. ukraine has been pummeled in recent days by russian missileses and drones.

many were shot down but some got few. civilian sites hit, especially the energy infrastructure power knocked out for millions. one explosion happened in next door neighbor, nato member poland. there were questions about an alliance response. the u.s. and others decided it was a ukrainian air a defense missile. kyiv now says it could be fragments of both. investigators are there. all through these events, russian president putin desuicidely low proconcern decidedly low profile. officials say they will defeat russia, but they're just a bit more grim about it. take a listen. >> translator: we understand that next month will be even harder than it was previously, but we are sure that in any case we will win with. pleasure we live for this victory. >> reporter: and a message from the head of a utility here,

han, no suggesting to ukrainians with energy shortfalls in mind that if they could leave this country for a couple of months, the next few months, winter, maybe they should. ominous stuff. back to you. shannon: greg palkot reporting from kyiv. greg, thank you very much. joining us here in washington, arkansas senator tom cotton, member of the armed services and is intelligence committees, and author of the brand new book "only the strong. " senator, welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> thank you, shannon. it's good to be back on with you. shannon: let's talk domestic a little bit first. you had leadership elections this week. there was an open challenge to senate minority leader mitch mcconnell by florida senator rick scott. i understand the meeting was a little contentious, but this is what senator mcconnell said when he merged. >> i'm not in any way offended by having an opponent or having a few votes in oppositionment -- opposition. as everyone has said, we had a

good opportunity to discuss the various differences. shannon: good opportunity to discuss differences. [laughter] i do understand from a couple folks in will it was heated at times, that there are fractures in the party. how do you move forward, reassess what happened in 2022? >> i saw some stories as well about the tense or angry tones of the meetings. i gotta say who were the sources, they have a low threshold for tension and anger -- shannon: i talked to a couple, and they said it was not "kumbaya" in there. >> i've seen much worse. i thought it was a very frank discussion. we had a disappointing election, obviously. we wanted to win the senate in addition to winning the house, but one thing that we all agreed on is that we needed to have the election this last week and move forward united to make sure we help elect herschel walker in this runoff because although we're looking forward to the next congress, we still have one more election on the books in the 02 election, and there's a big difference between having a

50-50 senate and stopping some of the most extreme policies and nominations from joe biden and having a 51-49 senate. shannon: a lot of folks already fast forwarding to 2024, including former president trump. what do you make of his entry in and, by the way, back on twitter if he wants to go there. elon musk says you're welcome if he wants to go back. >> i don't plan to be a strategist or pundit for 2024. the former president announced this week, i suspect more candidates will be announcing in the months ahead. but again, i want to keep our focus on the final chanter of the 2022 election and making sure we do all we can to elect herschel walker in georgia. shannon: the president just back from a meeting with president xi. you've begun a -- been a vocal critic of china. this is what the president had to say after their a meeting. >> i do not think there's an imminent attempt on the part of china to invade taiwan, and i made it clear that our policy on taiwan has not changed at all.

shannon: what do you make of it? are you as convinced that there's not an immediate threat regarding taiwan? >> no, i'm not, shannon. i'm concerned that that as early as next year xi jinping could decide to go for the jugular. this has been an important year for him in china p. he just secured a third 5-year term. he's made it clear by 2027 he wants to invade and annex taiwan back to a mainland china. i think he may see a window of opportunity to do so in the next couple years. in the same way that vladimir putin saw a window of opportunity to go for the jugular in ukraine earlier this year. even if president biden believed that an invasion is not imminent, i would suggest it's not helpful to say that publicly because it might invite more adventurism from xi jinping. what we should be doing instead is working with taiwan, making sure they're armed up to prevent any such invasion. shannon: you're also worried about tiktok. you've toddle -- told people if you've got the app, delete it. if you can, get a whole new

phone. tiktok says this in a company statement: we store the all tiktok u.s. user or data in the united states with backup redundancy in singapore. our data centers are located entirely outside of china, and none of our data is subject to chinese law. number one, is that a lie? is that -- are you calling them a liar? and if so, what can we do about it? >> yeah, those are false statements, shannon. there have been reports indicating that that data is accessible in mainland china. that tiktok, a chinese company, is subject to communist china's laws and that tiktok is one of the most massive surveillance programs ever, especially on america's young people. it's not just the contents you upload to tiktok, but all the data the on your phone and other apps, all your personal information. even facial imagery, even where your eyes are looking on your phone. that's why i've encouraged every american if they're using tiktok to delete it from if their phone and, if they can, to get a new phone altogether.

shannon: saudi arabia, this week the biden administration got involved in a federal lawsuit here in the states. they were asked to weigh in on whether or not they have a position on whether the crown prince has sovereign immunity. they did, through the state department, say that there is sovereign immunity in this lawsuit regarding the death of u.s.-based journalist jamal khashoggi. fred ryan, publisher and ceo of "the washington post" said this: president biden is failing to uphold america's most cherished values, he's granting a license to kill to one of the world's most egregious human rights abusers. president biden had talked about making hem pariahs when he was campaigning. then july, the visit, the fist bump, all the things that have happened. do you agree the president is betraying american values i by weighing in to say sovereign immunity? >> what the administration decided this week is in keeping with the practice, the custom of lawsuits involving foreign heads of state. it would have been a major break of those customs to not granted that kind of -- grant that kind

of immunity. what i would say is saudi arabia's far from the world's worst abuser of human rights. iran, for the last three months, for instance, in the way they'ves massacred protesters in the streets or what china does to harvest organs or commit genocide against ethnic minorities. we didn't have partners who didn't always share our political systems and social sensibilities, we couldn't have allies and partners. saudi arabia's been an ally for 80 years. unfortunately, president obama and president biden have taken steps to try to ostracize and alienate this important partner. what we should do is work with them to protect our interests and the interest of our allies in the middle easts. shannon: but how do we rate these things? you talk about china, iran and other places. saudi arabia has a lot of accusations regarding human rights abuses. this is, you know, a u.s.-based journalist, i mean, somebody who was -- our intelligence agencies say murdered by the crown prince at least knowing about or being okay with the operation.

we can't just toss that aside. >> shannon, the way i look at it is what matters most about governments around the world is less whether they're democratic or not democratic and more whether they're pro-american or anti-american, and the simple fact is saudi arabia has been an american partner going back 80 years. that doesn't mean that we overlook or excuse countries that are pro-american, and we can even help midwife or nurture them into democratic countries like ronald reagan succeeded in doing in south korea and the philippines. but to protect american interests, of course we have to partner with countries that don't always share our political system and our cultural and social sensibilities. shannon: the biden administration didn't have to weigh many here. they chose to. hay chose to take this stuff. that sounds a lot like overlooking concern. >> well, you're right, they didn't have to weigh in, but again, it would have been a major breach with customary practice and international law to not weigh in. in every case going back decades cited in the state department's

own statement, heads of state have been given sovereign immunity. now, in 1970s we changed the law pursue -- for suing foreign governments. that's why american citizens have been able to sue governments that have sponsored terrorist attacks. but when you're talking about individuals who are at the head of a foreign government. it's customary mare for decades to grant them immunity so another effort in the. campaign to alienate and ostracize saudi arabia, not to recognize this immunity. shannon: senator cotton, happy thanksgiving to you and your family. >> thank you, shannon. shannon: joining us now, democratic senator mark warner of virginia who chairs the senate intelligence committee. welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> thank you, shannon. shannon: let's start with tiktok. you also have concerns about this, ask you're quoted as saying as painful as it is for me to say, if donald trump was right and we could have taken action then, that would have been a heck of a lot easier than trying to the talk action

november of 2022. did washington not listen because they didn't like the message, and what can we do now? >> well, i think donald trump was right. tiktok is a enormous threat. it's a threat on two levels. one, it is a massive collector of information, often times of our children. they can visualize even down to your key strokes. so if you're a parent and you've got got a kid on tiktok, i would be very, very concerned. all of that data the that your child is inputting and receiving is being stored somewhere in beijing. the idea that we can somehow separate out tiktok from the fact that the actual engineers writing the code in beijing, i think, is a justice department's trying to come up with a solution. i'm going to let -- i'm going to take a look at that solution, but they've got a huge mountain to climb. the second problem is that tiktok in a sense is a broadcasting network, in a

sense. and if the chinese communist party and tiktok at the end of the day has to be reliant on the communist party, the china law states that, if they suddenly want to dial up the fact that we are going to decrease the content that criticizes chinese leadership but increase the content that your kids may be seeing saying, hey, you know, taiwan really is part of china, that is a distribution model that would make rt or sputnik or some of the russia propaganda models pale in comparison. shannon: okay. so bipart a san agreement on that -- bipartisan agreement on that. you heard what the senator said about how we characterize the relationship we have with saudi arabia. you said a back in 2018 when president trump was mt. white houses that he failed to hold saudi arabia responsible in any meaningful way for the death of jamal khashoggi. so you heard a about what the state department has essentially done now saying he should have sovereign immunity.

will you also call out president biden? >> well, let's -- and again, i hate to, there are so many places where i actually may agree with my friend, tom cotton. [laughter] shannon: it's not a bad thing. >> he's on the intel committee with me. the reason why there was a grant of sovereign immunity even to to leaders we don't like is as much to protect american leaders and american diplomats when they're posted abroad from being subject to saudi arabian law or russian law or south african law. so this is, this has been historical precedent. do i think the murder of jamal khashoggi was awful in absolutely. absolutely. am i disappointed particularly in the most recent times when saudi arabia -- which used to be a bulwark against the soviet union for decades on in decided to kind of skate the middle in terms of siding with democracies against vladimir putin's illegal invasion of ukraine? i'm very disappointed.

but i also have to, we need to be enough of a realist to realize that a saudi arabia has been a bulwark against iran, it is a leader in a very messy part of the world. and if there are ways that we can continue to push the saudi government, mbs in particular, towards greater reform and a willingness to get off the sidelines and stand with democracies against putin or in ukraine, i i think that would be a good thing. shannon: was it unfair then to criticize president trump for not being tougher on thenning two or three years ago and then say the biden administration's just doing what they have to do? >> look, i think you saw many members within the trump administration at that moment in time call out the saudi leadership for the brutal murder of khashoggi. what you didn't see because of this, you know, strange affinity that president trump and his family -- remember, his son has

received massive investments from the saudi investment funds --, those still bother me a great e deal. shannon: okay. i want to talk about the same-sex marriage bill, the respect for marriage act, that essentially has gotten through the its first vote in the senate. it will have more action down the line, but it essentially insures all 50 states will recognize marriages from other states. the biden administration could end up using this as a weapon. here's something senator ted cruz said about it on his podcast this week. >> any charity that a believes marriage is the unigallon of one man -- union of one man and one woman, any charity that does not embrace same-sex marriage, this bill is designed to strip their 501(c)(3) status to persecute the churches and universities and schools and charities. shannon: senator mike lee -- >> first of all, let's make one thing clear -- hap san. shannon: san okay. >> one more time, ted cruz is 100% wrong on that statement. you would not see on one of the

things that gained 12 republican votes and i think more on final passage is that there were greater protections for religious freedom. and so when you see the mormon church,s you see a number of mainstream protestant denominations, you see a series of other faith organizations actually support this marriage equality law. this marriage equality law is not only about same-sex marriage, but it also validates something that literally 60 years ago in my state of virginia was illegal which was interracial marriage. i think this is where the vast majority of americans are at. i think you'll see the numbers even go up in the senate as we get to final passage. we saw 47 house members vote in favor of this legislation. mr. cruz, one more time, saying stuff that has no basis in truth or fact. shannon: okay. you know, critics -- >> that's just how he rolls. shannon: but senator mike lee

says there are toothless protections in there for religious minorities -- not minorities, but people who hold, whatever faith they are, this conviction about traditional marriage, is his wording. he's offered this amendment, i've got it here in my hand. he says if done in good faith, it will offer further protection to people in religious organizations. why not allow a vote on the amendment? if that is truly an issue and it i may get you more vote ises -- >> i would, first of all, point out the fact, you know, i believe mike lee is a member of the mormon church. his organization, his church -- shannon: but he's still got concerned. >> his church endorsed the legislation. my understanding, and i have not followed all of the ins and outs on what happened two nights ago. i believe there was an offer on a 50-vote margin from mr. lee to have that kind of amendment. i think this is a series of folks that just don't want this to happen, and they're going to throw up roadblock after roadblock -- shannon: would you let him have

a vote on the amendment to quell their fears? >> again, my understanding is that that vote was offered. shannon: my understanding is they want to try and do it after thanksgiving -- >> listen, if the vote was offered this week, which i believe it was, i'm sure your viewers will correct me if i'm wrong, but that was kind of the -- shannon: yeah. in talking with his office, they want it after thanksgiving. >> other than simply trying to delay, other than simply trying to burn off the clock so that we can't get to things like --if he had a chance to have the vote on thursday, why didn't he take the vote then? shannon: okay, we'll ask him. my understanding is his office a will offer up after a thanksgiving. maybe you'll win over a few more votes in amendment is considered. >> edge ebb of the day, end of the day, some of the opponents want to do everything they can to run out the clock. i would, again, urge people of goodwill to look not only at the mormon chump, but look at all of

the church organizations that have -- mormon church. there is nothing in this bill that would require any faith to marry anyone that they don't want married in their house of worship. shannon: i know they have more concern at religious universities and schools as well. we appreciate your time, and we wish you the best thanksgiving with your family. i know you have a lot to celebrate this year. >> thank you, shannon. shannon: up next, the first big republican cattle call for the white house takes place in vegas. we'll bring in brit hume on who was there and who wasn't. ♪ the first-ever all-electric chevy silverado rst. with a multi-flex midgate for extra storage. and an available 400 miles of range on a full charge. evs for everyone, everywhere. chevrolet

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campaign on tuesday amid speculation over who his primary rivals may be. that's already at fever pitch. in a moment, we will bring in fox senior political analyst brit hume to discuss the stakes for the former president over the next few weeks. but first, let's go to alexandria alexandria hoff live in las vegas where the republican party's biggest stars gathered together for the first time since republicans won the house. hello, alex. >> reporter: good morning, shannon. yeah, the speakers here were certainly happy republicans won the house, but they were not thrilled by the margins. and many of those who attended here blamed former president trump. >> if you repeatedly lose to a really bad team, it's time for new leadership. >> let's stop supporting crazy, unelectable candidates in our primaries -- >> candidates matter, everybody. >> reporter: inside the republican jewish coalition's annual leadership meeting, big party names strove to impress. >> the damage being done in

washington is catastrophic. >> this is about the very soul of america! >> reporter: the event is seen as a starting line for potential presidential hopefuls. >> i've never lost an election, and i'm not going to start now. >> reporter: educate employering the prospect of challenging the only candidate so far. >> we have to stay strong, and we have to fight and, frankly, you better hope that a certain person wins election in 2024. >> reporter: former president trump addressed the coalition via web stream. ♪ >> reporter: his former vice president was there in person, urging republicans to correct course and move on. >> we must unite our party around a bold, optimistic agenda. >> reporter: governor ron de. sanities closed out the event -- desantis closed out the event as keynote speaker. >> we've got a lot more to do, and i have only begun to fight. >> reporter: one interesting moment came when ted cruz asked the crowd to support his 2024

campaign for senate, seemingly implying that he would not be seeking out the white house. now, he has a not completely dismissed the idea, but he did later reiterate to reporters that his focus right now is keeping the position he has. shannon? shannon: okay. alexandria hoff reporting from vegas, thank you very much. joining us now, fox news senior political analyst brit hume. welcome back to "fox fox news sunday." >> thank you, shannon, nice to see you. of. shannon: okay. since we last spoke, the attorney general has announced there will be a special counsel picking up a couple of these investigations regarding january 6th and those documents at mar-a-lago. the former president talked about this, he said what about all these other presidents who have taken documents, why aren't they being investigated? and he added this finish. >> of course, hillary clinton, where she illegally deleted 33,000 e-mails after getting a top-level subpoena from the u.s. congress. so she's allowed to get a subpoena and delete 33,000 -- after the subpoena, not before,

after. shannon: so, brit, he knows that a there is this sense among a lot of americans that there is a double standard when it comes to how justice is being meteed out -- meted out by the justice department. is he going to turn this latest development into an actual political gain in some way? in well, he will with his hard core supporters, shannon, who basically there is a set of voters within the republican ranks who think the president is the best president many history -- in history and basically that he can do no wrong. their ranks, i think, are much smaller than the number of people who voted for him when he ran in 2020 and much smaller than the number of people who will vote for him now. but nonetheless, anything that happens to him will make him seem in their eyes a martyr. now, i think it was entirely appropriate for an independent counsel to be the appointed in his case, but ill say that for

the justice department to do that, for the attorney general to do that while leaving the president's son's investigations and those associated with him to be handled by main justice, it seems to me, is a problem. because the reason you appoint an independent counsel is there's a conflict of interest. there certainly is where mr. biden and attorney general garland are concerned and, therefore, an investigation of mr. biden's family would seem to fall under the heading of something that would require that, but they haven't done it. that opens them up to, i think, reasonable criticism. shannon: so when we're talking about 2024 in the context of the former president making another run at it, the american spectator said it isn't time to care who the 2024 nominee is. they say republicans have is got to figure out how to get this ground game on the early voting, drop boxes. they it's like hand crafting widgets while your opponent is shipping in mass-producedded ones from chinese sweat shops. it's time to demand the gop

figure out how to compete if in this new era. of brit, what kind of conversations are you hearing on that front about how republicans may have to change the i way they do this? >> well, that's perfectly sound advice, but it seems to me it's comparing apples and oranges. your candidate selection is a legitimate concern and always will be. it always has been really. the nuts and bolts of getting your voters to the polls and dealing with whatever rules may prevail in any given state is a related but separate matter. so there's no reason why the republican party can't deal with both. they're going to have to deal with the candidate issue. the election results proved that. they also have to deal with early voting and whether one party is taking full advantage of it and whether one party is not. i think that editorial is fine, but you can walk and chew gum at the same time, one trusts. shannon: well, and house gop leaders say that's what heir going to do when they take over in a couple of month, and they say they're going to have those investigations.

you've referenced hunter biden. that's obviously, one of their targets. but this is white house counsel's office, congressional republicans' top priority is to go after president biden with politically-motivated attacks chock full of long-debunked conspiracy theories. how does the house tbrgs op navigate this? -- gop november gate this? >> it's got to be done, i think, with some skill. if the republican party in its new position as in control of the house is seen as spending its energies, all of its energies or nearly all of its energies on investigations and contentious hearings and all the rest of it, i'm not sure how well that will sit with voters. they need to be doing other things as well. and when it comes to investigations, of course, there are legit investigations beyond that of hunter biden. there's investigations of other matters and how the justice department has handled them, it seems to me, would be fairground. so they need to be careful, but investigations, i think, are

inevitability bl -- inevitable. shannon: brit, happy thanksgiving to you. good to see you. >> thank you, shannon, same to you. shannon: up next, president biden's student loan cancellation plan facing more and more legal challenges as the administration has taken its case straight to the u.s. supreme courtful we'll bring in our sunday group to discuss borrowers in limbo as critics accuse the president of political overreach. ♪

>> we're asking the highest court in the land to deliver student debt relief to millions of americans. it's just outrageous that republican officials and special interest groups are trying to block that. shannon: white house press secretary karine jean-pierre on the administration's emergency appeal to the supreme court after multiple hoe or courts have ruled their student loan forgiveness plan unconstitutional. time for our sunday group. axios senior -- josh crash our, marie harf, guy benson and reuters white house correspondent jeff mason. welcome to all of you. one to have lower court judges who put the program on hold said we are not ruled by an all-powerful executive by a pen and a phone, instead, we are ruled by a constitution that provides for three and distinct branches of government. jeff, the white house says we have power. >> and they're going to stick to

that argument, and they're confident they are going to win. i think the popularity of this program has been surprising. i remember peeking to a white house official who initially was opposed to this, hay rolled it out and, man, has it been successful. but it's the illegal in terms of the -- in terms of the political support. but the legal implications have been a challenge, and they're going to fight it out in the courts. shannon: we await action on that presidentially within the next few days. the washington post ittorial board says in the: sure, an extension would be popular especially with younger voters, and georgia has a senate runoff coming up, but it looks more like buying votes with taxpayer money. >> precisely what that part of this program is. then there's the even more egregious abuse of power with this so-called forgiveness scheme that is deeply unpair to the vast majority of american voters who don't is have any college debt or loan debt of this type. it's the very inflationary, and it's also just flatly illegal.

i think the quote from the judge is exactly right. i suspect that if the white house gets what they're asking for, which is a hearing at the supreme court, they won't like the outcome of that case because it seems pretty cut and dried. and you might not agree with the judges or the justices should they decide that, you might not agree with me, but no less a figure than nancy pelosi, the outgoing speaker of the house, said last year that the president did not have the authority to do what he then turned around and did, and we're a nation of laws. if the white house would like this type of loan forgiveness to happen, he can go to congress and get it passed. shannon: meanwhile, the federalist cites in the online magazine that specializes in education issues who did a poll of people who have either applied for the forgiveness or they're planning to already. they say nearly three-fourths of them admitted they would spend the money not on basic necessities or fulfilling their entrepreneurial dreams but on, quote, nonessentials including sayuation -- vacations,

smartphones and drugs and alcohol, marie. >> i'm not one to throw cold water on polls, but there's no requirement that hay use this money to pay for their loans. the fact is it is incredibly popular. many legal experts have actually said it's it's legal, and it supports, you know, middle class, working class americans, millions of whom now have been thrown into, you know, financial chaos by these republican groups trying to challenge this in the courts. we have millions of americans today who thought they were operating under a system where they would not have to repay their loans, and now republicans essentially are making the argument that they're going to force them too while at the same time trying to ram through, you know, tax cuts for the wealthy. we can talk about the legal issues all day. from a political perspective, this is a popular program, it helps working and middle class americans. and if republicans at christmas want to say, oh, actually, sorry, we're okay with big tax cuts for corporations, o.k. with saving big pharma, we're not okay with helping you with $10,000 of loan relief, that's a

tough political argument, shannon. shannon: well, in looking at the filing with the supreme court from, their argument was, oh, people already think they're getting their loans forgiven, so doesn't that get to the argument any president could say is, all right, i'm going to start this problem now, and if the court stops it, it's going to throw you into chaos even if it's potentially illegal. >> this is the first time i've heard the white house trying to get the supreme court to bail them out politically. i understand it was initially, it was a political ploy to try to get younger voters energized for the midterm elections. i think it worked. but, you know, the exit polls showed america is divided 50-50 in the exit polling. so this is something that hay got a quick sugar high before the midterms. they're dealing with the legal problems, and i think they realize -- they blamed republican officials, but it's the courts that are blocking their ability to get this done. so i don't think the supreme court is going to be very, look at this very kindly. it's take thing, as guy said,

what should be done in congress to the executive branch and, ultimately, they may get the political sugar high, but it'll likely be blocked in the counters. shannon: to your point, a number of administrations, obama as well, you know, it's not just a partisan issue for them. they often say you've gone too far in the executive branch. >> yeah. and for a party that lectures us constantly about democracy, this is a matter of democracy and the rule of law. if you want to go through the democratic process and let the system work the way it was designed, go ahead and do it. but to say this is somehow republican-caused chaos, this was an illegal political ploy, and it should be treated as much. -- as such. shannon: all right, panel, don't go anywhere if. up next, calls to investigate ticketmaster after the ticket snafu shines a light on the company's practices.

muck so take a look at what you've done -- ♪ 'cuz, baby, now we've got bad blood ♪ shannon: many fans empty handed after ticketmaster's system was overwhelmed by the demand. the pop star sold 2 million tickets in tuesday's sale, the most in a single day for any artist ever, but now there are questions about how many tickets remain and how are they going to be sold. and the problems have congress right here in d.c. demanding answers. we are back now with the panel. okay, if you could have heard our discussion during the commercials. [laughter] i want to start with the ceo of liberty media. they own a majority stake in live nation. here's what he said about how they're trying to handle this. >> we are working hard on this and, again, you know, building capacity for peak demand is something we attempt to do, but this exceeded every expectation. and the reality is taylor swift hasn't been on the road for three or four years, and that's caused a huge issue.

shannon: wait a minute, marie, is that blaming taylor swift. she is very angry. >> and her fans are angry. ticketmaster, not the best pr strategy to blame taylor swift, one of the biggest pop stars in the world, and she actually may get some regulatory action here. ticketmaster is a monopoly. they are the only way to get tickets to a majority of events, football games, concerts, and now we have the tennessee attorney general, other federal agencies investigating this company. taylor swift gets things done and, look, she has power as an artist with so many fan, and you saw what happened when they were disappointed. shannon: all right. ticketmaster went through explaining exactly what happened. many part they said the biggest venues and or artists turn to us because we have the leading ticketing technology in the world, and that doesn't mean it's perfect. but, josh, it may mean they're the only game in town. >> so ticketmaster is basically saying, shake it off -- [laughter] shannon: oh, no, he did not just say that. [laughter] >> that's not going to work with

the tennessee attorney general, republican, it's not going to work in congress where democrats are starting to wonder about ticketmaster's monopoly. that's the big problem, ticketmaster has this monopoly over ticket sales. if i want to buy a nationals ticket or go to a sporting event, there are a lot of different choices i have. but because of the merger between ticketmaster and live nation, there's not a lot of choices, and it all goes through one ticket broker. so i think that is going to be the issue that congressional regulators start looking at. zap saab well, we've heard from the venues as well who say they have to play this game or else there are concerns that live nation and ticketmaster are so giant, they will actually put together their own venues and route things to other places. so you mentioned the democrats over on the house side, a number of them wrote a letter to the attorney general on thursday. they said there's overwhelming evidence that the merger between the world's largest concert promoter and largest ticket provider strangle ticketing in the live marketplace. we mow there was some type of

antitrust investigation that was i don't think to ongoing, but it sounds like a real push for possible change. >> now this accelerates any sort of investigation that might have been already underway. this is a massive story. we're talking about taylor swift on "fobs fox news sunday. " -- fox news sunday. that doesn't usually break through. and i have to say thinking about this panel today and our topics, i have been actually quite nervous about what i was going to say about this because the swifties are ferocious -- [laughter] shannon: careful. >> i am completely cool with you guys and just don't be mad at me on the internet. that's all i have to say, shannon. back to you. shannon: o.k.. jeff, would you like to take a swing at this? i could see taylor swift actually making head roads on something that has been complained about by a lot of people. i could see bringing her up here on capitol hill. oh, my gosh, we think security's bad now, if she comes here and

has something to say, lawmakers are going to listen to her. >> absolutely. to bring it all in to politics, the midterm election showed how divided this country is, right? they're not divided about taylor swift. i think we all knew someone who was trying to buy tickets -- shannon: for days. >> right? either for their children or themselves, and you see reports about some of these tickets going for tens of thousands of dollars. that's not something you're going to find support for politically from either party. so i think you're absolutely right. if they if pursue this and competition policy and antitrust policy is huge, there could be hearings up here, and they could be bringing in this very, very popular person involved and see what kind of change she could make. shannon: it can be a wonky, dry issue, but this brings it to life for millions of them. panel, see you next sunday. up next, in the nearly two years since president biden took office, fewer reporters have gone more rounds with him than our very own peter doocy. peter joins us next to give us

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they gave so much to me; they gave me my life back. ♪ shannon: he is one reporter who has likely most sparked the ire of the white house in the biden era. fox's peter doocy has broken news, makes headlines, and he picked up the phone a few times for private calls with the president himself. white house correspondent peter doocy just back from the overseas trip joins us now for a reporter's notebook. good to see you. >> thanks for having me.

shannon: you've got some memories for us, and there's one i always think of when the president might have had something to say about you that sparked one of those phone calls, i'll put it that way. >> well, a big part of our strategy with this add administration, they almost never leak to anybody about anything. and so our only chance to get information about any topic is either at a formal presidential event, a press conference with the press secretary or just prepared remarks and just shouting something. and so i always try to ask something a little off topic. january of this year, the big topic was ukraine. that's what everybody was yelling about. and so i just tried something else, inflation. so -- and this is what happened. [inaudible conversations] >> that's a great asset. more inflation. what a stupid son of a [bleep]

shannon: we had to bleep it. >> and we don't ever hear a biden [bleep]ed, any president bleeped, but i think that became the story, the bad word, when just a few months later he went on to say that inflation is his number one domestic priority -- shannon: you were ahead of the curve. >> and it was just because we were trying to ask about something different, which is what we always do here at the fox news channel. shannon: did you get a call from the president in. >> i did. we had a nice chat and laughed about it. shannon: everything's good. >> yes. shannon: sometimes the president likes to ask you questions. >> and thats a different kind of dynamic. ly are remember the biggest foreign policy issues so far, thest of of the first two years of his term was the afghanistan withdrawal. widely panned still. and on the worst day of his presidency, i had a chance to ask him whether or not he bears my responsibility. he had been saying that the buck stops with him, and i was trying to ask him about his policies that led up to, this deadly day

where 13 u.s. service members were killed, but he didn't want to talk about his policy, he wanted to talk in the moment about trump's, right here. >> you know, i'm asking you a question. because -- >> [inaudible] >> no, no, wait a minute. i'm asking you a question. is that accurate, to the best of your knowledge? >> [inaudible] do you think that people have an issue with pulling out of afghanistan -- [inaudible] >> i think they have an issue that people are likely to get hurt. >> and you saw he buried his head into his hands that had this notebook that only had bad news that day in it. and it shows he's an emotional guy. that benefits, i think, anybody that is asking a question or hoping for an answer because he will give you a candid, motional response, we just need a chance -- we just need staffers to let us close must have. shannon: okay, but they don't

like that. as any staffer that's trying to protect the main guy, they're often rushing you guys out of the room, rushing him out of the room when he seems like he does want to stay and engage, and they're like, no, no, mr. president, time's up. >> my experience now three and a half years going back to the campaign trail, i always think about one of our first exchanges. he -- the story of the day was a campaign story. it was about bear and warren having bigger crowds than him, and in the middle of a scrum with reporter, he pointed to me and said you're going to go after me no matter what, butst it's okay, i'm a big boy. i can handle it. and if you look at all the dozens or hundreds of times that he's still engaged since, i think he was right. he can handle it. he enjoys having a chance to defend his own positions, and he deserves a lot of credit for that. shannon: how was this trip? it always looks agonizing to me, i know when you're out on the road with candidates, in this case the commander in chief. you're in different time zones,

all these events you're covering, what is it like? >> it's kind of interesting because when the stuff that's going on, if you see the president say something, there's nobody to text it home because everybody is asleep. shannon: right. >> so he had a press conference, he had an emergency g7 meeting. that's the reason that we go. but these things are, they are tough to get to. like two days there and two days back. glad to go. shannon: well, and a lot of those days are traveling, and you're on the plane and trying to adjust to time zones yourself. you've got a lot of work to do. >> yes. but again, we have to go just in case something happens like this incident many ukraine. shannon: by the way, i gotta say, you and i years and years ago shared an office, people don't know. and i would not have thought you would be chasing around the president and travel thing around on air force one and being a headline maker, and i'm sitting here at "fox news sunday. ". >> that is kind of -- that is a nice way to look at it. >> i'm getting older, you're getting younger. [laughter] >> i don't think so. shannon: thank you for joining us today.

>> thanks for having me. shannon: have a thanksgiving. >> you too. shannon: that is it for us today. i'm shannon bream, have a great week and a blessed thanksgiving to all of you out there watching. we'll see you next "fox news sunday." ♪ ♪ >> breaking tonight an update from local law enforcement officials on the investigation into the brutal murder for college students found stabbed to death in off campus home in moscow idaho. good evening this is universe interesting hilton welcome to "the next revolution" we have the latest. >> moscow police chief said it is a huge investigative effort receiving 650 tips