we don't know what kind of a knife was used. we do know it was a large knife. it could have been a kitchen butcher knife for all we know. >> bill: ted, thank you, moscow idaho doing good work out there. >> dana: good to have him out there. we'll follow the story. sandra smith is in for harris faulkner. "the faulkner focus" is next. >> thank you dana and bill. fox news alert. nearly ten days and still no answers on the stabbing deaths of those four university of idaho students. investigators expanding the search in hopes of finding new information at this hour. some are comparing this case to the gainesville ripper. this is "the faulkner focus" and i'm in for harris. no murder weapon or suspect in the killing in the early morning of november 13th. the small college community deeply shaken ahead of the holiday season. here is what we know so far. the victims were out saturday

night two at a frat party, the other two at a local sports bar. they all four got back to the house before 2:00 a.m. sunday morning. police believe they were stabbed to death 3 to 4 hours after that. two other roommates at the house at the time slept through it. a 911 call made hours after the murders. >> four of their classmates being stabbed to death in certain areas of this home. you would have to believe that someone should have heard something. we have the 911 tapes and that they have not released that. i find that to be rather troubling. >> dan springer is live in moscow, idaho. you have been on the ground since the beginning and see how combed over that crime scene is. what is happening today with this search? >> right now we don't see any police activity. they have been here nine days in a row and this is not meant as

any indictment of the police. they are working hard trying to solve this crime. this is just the fact. the longer this case goes on with the suspect not being arrested the harder it is on the families of these four vick tills. last night we saw the first memorial service. hundreds of people remembered the life of ethan chapin. a triplet and very social and well liked and a member of the fraternity nearby here. his mother thanked those supporting the family as well as those trying to solve the crime. >> the moscow police department who now carry the burden every day not only for us but for all of the impacted families, and the many strangers across the country, your outreach and kind words are profoundly touching. >> police briefly expanded the crime scene around the back of the house yesterday. a small team of investigators

from the idaho state police and f.b.i. appeared to be trying to figure out the most likely escape route taken by the killer. a former assistant f.b.i. director was on fox and friends first today saying it could be a long investigation. >> after over 90 interviews, no one has surfaced as having a motive, means or capability to do that. that suggests to me that this may have been a random or target of opportunity, if you will, which are some of the hardest crimes to solve. >> police did shoot down one of the rumors that have been swirling out there about a dog that was skined three miles from here a month ago. they say there is no connection to this case. every single day since this crime happened ten days ago we have seen police going through in or around this crime scene. nothing yet to date, sandra.

>> dan springer in moscow, idaho for us and he will keep us posted. dr. michael bodin joining us now. we do know that they are expanding the search around the perimeter of the property. but your analysis, sir, on what we know up to this hour. >> well, my analysis primarily from the autopsy findings and forensic pathology is that one cannot from an autopsy determine what knife weapon was used except to determine the width and length of the blade but not the handle. it is concerning to me that everybody just assuming that's the murder weapon of the photograph we've seen.

it can only come from other sources. unlike gunshot wounds, you recover the bullet and the bullet tells you exactly what gun it was fired from. many different kinds of knives can leave the same stab wounds in the body. that's one aspect of it. the other aspect is depending on the kinds of wounds on the body would indicate who was alive, who wasn't -- who was awake, who wasn't awake when they were administered. whether there was a struggle, whether there were defensive marks that would indicate a struggle and possible fingernail scrapings from those people that would indicate possible skin if scratches were made. but the -- we're very limited in how the autopsy can reflect what the knife is when they are knife

stab wounds. >> you have covered so many crimes and seen autopsy reports from so many murder scenes. are you surprised that nine days in we have so little information and no suspect? >> well, that happens occasionally in big cities and small cities. in this situation, it gets complicated because apparently friends were called before the police were called and the arriving friends may have unintentionally contaminated some of the potential findings. like in every type of murder like this, how the perpetrator gets there and leaves, shoe prints, tire prints, bicycle prints are looked for. but those get impaired when other people arrive before those tests are examined, those things are examined and when you wait

seven days for what the weather itself can destroy a lot of the important things. very few people come by parachute. they come some way to get to the scene and leave the scene. >> the fox flight team bringing us these images from the crime scene. the cars parked outside the house there are the cars of the victims of these murders that have still not been moved and are still there where they parked them the day this happened. dr. bodin i want to ask you about another crime store ear we are following. this georgia mother who has been arrested and charged with murder. investigators found the remains of what preliminary tests are showing to be her 20-month-old son. they were unearthed in a landfill on friday. the 22-year-old. and that is her son. her son, quintin, was reported

missing in early october. she has been the police's only suspect in the case. since the very beginning of the search, the police chief getting emotional at a news conference yesterday and announcing the mother's arrest. >> this is a heartbreaking development for everyone who loved quintin, for the many people who came to know him after his disappearance and for our department. having found what we found on friday and the preliminary findings from the f.b.i., we feel that we have a very strong case. she doesn't deserve a thanksgiving if i can go off script. quintin deserves that. >> local news outfit snapped photos doing shots as investigators were searching for her son. dr. bodin you covered the case

of casey anthony very closely. what are your thoughts as this toddler's remains come up in the landfill and it is learned that that mother was out drinking at a bar when they were searching for her young son's remains? >> two things. one is that the most important thing right now is the medical examiner down in savannah, georgia, who is doing the autopsy. the baby was missing for six weeks in a landfill. there would be a lot of decomposition and the baby was found just last friday. there is an autopsy being performed and the medical exam is very important to see if they can determine the cause of death. if there is no cause of death, then issues come up could she have from the defense predictably that the baby died

of natural disease and the mom panicked and put the baby in the dump as a defense. medical examiners are trying to rule out all possible natural causes of death depending on the condition of the tissues even in a landfill at six weeks, the body could still be in pretty good shape. also looking for any kind of homicide marks, fractures of the skull, for example. the most common way these deaths can occur is by suffocation that leaves no marks on the body and then the issue that comes to trial two years from now or a year from now would be how do you prove to the jury that the baby was murdered if there is a defense put out by no confession made? >> she had already lost custody

of that child and she was asked to pay child support. that is all part of this story and the babysitter had identified there was bruising on the child and brought up concerns about what she had found when she was around that child. just heartbreaking and we continue to learn more on that situation as they are now reviewing the remains. again the dna analysis. we expect to know more soon. doctor, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> reaction is still pouring in. the president planning to use our tax dollars for climate reparations to poor nations. critics are calling it a scam, a waste and a terrible idea. plus cracking jokes as families struggle the pay the bills and a rail system strike is looming. >> you cannot overstate how important this is for supply chains. if this strike happens, that's a $2 billion a day hit to our economy.

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>> they don't seem to have a solution. that's my biggest concern. president biden can try to paint a face on it and say prices are down but that's because they went sky high. >> critics tearing into the biden administration for down playing the inflation crisis as americans struggle to pay for simple necessities. the department of a agriculture playing the blame game blaming the avian flu and russia. the whole meal for thanksgiving

will cost 20% more for the average american family and a looming rail strike that could crush consumers this holiday season. they voted to reject a tentative deal negotiated and celebrated by the white house back in september. press secretary karine jean-pierre with this yesterday. >> a shutdown is unacceptable. we continue to urge both sides to finish their work in good faith and avoid even the threat of a shutdown as we've been saying. like we do for all issues our team is preparing and planning for all possible outcomes, even as we continue to work to avert a shutdown. >> new op-ed says mr. biden convenes the parties before the previous deadline and lobbied union leaders to get on board. their quick buy-in let mr. biden

boast he kept the trains running on time. but it rushed union leaders into an agreement union members were cool on. will cain, "fox & friends" weekend co-host. seems like the perfect storm could be looming. you already have consumers crushed by inflation and now this potential rail shutdown? what do you see happening here? >> well, all i can do is tell you what i hope happens. i hope they come to the bargaining table and figure something out. it could produce consumer inflation by 4%. what does it do on the consumer side? we're dealing with inflation we haven't seen in 40 years. i have to tell you, sandra, on one hand i'm surprised. you sit here today and say inflation is the biggest impact on our economy. the attempt to solve inflation, which is rising interest rates. we've experienced that, we'll continue to experience that,

will probably be a recession. and you would have thought certainly the biden administration contributed to those maladies spending record amounts of money in the midst of printing record amounts of money. you would have thought there would have been price to pay during the mid-term election. there wasn't to the extent anyone expected. president biden can make all the jokes he wants about a red wave but he is sitting dealing with these red line items where every single american and what their personal home budgets look like. what do i hope happens? i hope we don't deal with something like this. what else in the economy has the biden administration been able to have the soft landing and put american families back into a better position? i wonder when we say enough as americans. enough. >> we're all living through it and feeling it especially this thanksgiving when we see those grocery store receipts sky high we're all feeling it. president biden in september took a victory lap in the rose

garden for the tentative teal that's on the brink. this is what is at stake for the american consumer. >> president biden: everything you rely on. everything from clean water to food to gas to everyday -- liquefied natural gas and every good that you need is on a rail getting delivered to where it needs to go. >> he clearly knows what is at stake here and that's all at risk now before year's end, will. >> yeah. you use the term i think that is appropriate victory lap in september. you know what it's similar to? student loan forgiveness program that's ushered out before an election to make everybody feel like they have gotten something. they knew it would happen. the federal court puts a stay on it because it's unconstitutional. there is no constitutional power for the executive to do so. and then we can rewind the clock to 2020 and see various other

stories either suppressed or trotted forward under the guise of misinformation. they were lies. the minute the election is over the truth is you can't pay students out a bunch of money that you don't have the power to do so. the truth is hunter biden's laptop wasn't disinformation. the truth is you didn't have a deal on the table when it comes to the railroads. as soon as you win victory, we all get to deal with the reality. >> will, i want to transition now to former white house press secretary jen psaki. she cannot evade big tech testimony. a federal court is denying her request to avoid sitting for a deposition on potential collusion between the white house and social media companies. that lawsuit filed by two republican attorneys general argues that the biden administration and big tech worked together to suppress free speech labeling it misinformation on issues like the covid-19 pandemic and the

2020 election. she tried to evade this but that is not going to be possible. what do you expect we may learn, will? >> well, we're already beginning to learn more of the truth thanks to the lawsuit by the attorney generals of missouri and louisiana. we have emails and know for example facebook and biden administration communicated in almost realtime. they can say we don't like this account, can you zap it and take it down? absolutely. we're on it would be the response from facebook. you know, everybody wants to make the argument it's a private company, twitter is a private company. they can set their terms of service. the united states government cannot and they're bound by the first amendment. if they are colluding with private businesses. you heard me mention hunter biden's laptop. the perfect example for all of this. you saw this week two years later cbs confirms the laptop was, in fact, legitimate. not the quote, unquote, russian

disinformation. the point -- the reason to point to it is like everything else. vaccine efficacy, covid origins. facts around paul pelosi happening in realtime as we speak. we're told a certain thing is truth. any questions were conspiracy, time passes and we find out oh, it turns out the conspiracy was closer to the truth than the original thing which was the misinformation. >> more on that coming up. a lot of americans have big questions surrounding everything you just mentioned, will. there is outrage growing over president biden's promise to pay $1 billion in climate reparations for poor countries that have allegedly suffered damage by the west's fossil fuel use. larry kudlow with some harsh words for that plan. >> this is a terrible idea. just another one of these socialist central planning redistribution thoughts that always plague the biden

administration. let's just say no to climate reparations or other redistribution schemes and socialism in general. you know why? it's a loser. >> a new op-ed calls it a lunatic bid no matter that western nations already ship billions to poorer ones nor are most of the third world climate caused disasters clearly that. it is just that global media fully on board with the hysteria refuse to check the favorite narrative nor will average citizens of countries ever see a cent of the new aid themselves. ignoring how their leaders behave. it is quite remarkable that this is actually happening and john kerry shot this down. he has come around on this because of the big meeting that happened last week. how can anybody argue with it when they make these poor nations out to be victims, will?

>> you can point out and do your best to point out that there has been no bigger fraud perpetrated not just on society but to individuals out there than the fraud of virtue signaling. pretending to be someone there for the better good while enriching yourself. is that not the story we're learning with ftx and sam bankman-fried. if you tell people you are all about altruism, you can bilk them for billions. this is it on the global stage. china is classified as a developing country. they will get money from this global reparations tax while emitting for carbon than anybody on earth. they are the ones that understand the rigged game and play it correctly. what i'm really concerned about this is a global tax. we send money to other countries, as you point out, they go to their corrupt government. what we could really do to help poor countries let them burn fossil fuels and rise themselves up out of poverty.

>> cheaper fuel would they them immensely and today. appreciate your time, will. good to see you and see you this weekend. president biden meanwhile rustling some feathers during the annual turkey pardon at the white house yesterday. critics pouncing on his bizarre and false claim about the number of chickens in delaware. plus philadelphia's liberal district attorney making his first public comments since last week's vote to impeach him. >> there has been a serious effort not only to erase votes and to silence people, but to silence me. >> statistics are silent but do not lie. crime soaring in philadelphia and people are fed up with it. tammy bruce in "focus" next. at , helping them achieve financial freedom. we're investing for our clients

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>> larry krasner speaking

publicly for the first time since the pennsylvania house voted to impeach him in part over what they call lawlessness in the city. krasner slamming the effort and republicans in a news conference yesterday. >> there has been a very, very serious effort not only to erase votes, and to silence people, but to silence me. never in the history of the commonwealth of pennsylvania has there ever been an effort to impeach, meaning charge, or remove from office, which is what the whole trial is about. this is something you do for crimes. we're in that moment of fight for a reason, which is that we have stood for something that is different. we have stood for change and not everybody is ready for change. >> stats show murders in philadelphia jumped 60% last year compared to 2018 when krasner took office. tammy bruce fox news contributor and host of get tammy bruce on fox nation. thanks for being here.

the eye irony is they are doing it over crimes. >> it takes a lot for republicans to do this. it means they are listing to their constituents and why you have representatives. this is a man when you talk about erasing votes, these individuals are representing communities that are on fire and it is directly attributable to an attitude and role modeling by this district attorney and so many other soros, no jail bail reform all of that going on in these blue cities attributable to the rise in crime. people are saying balance each other. deal with each other and fix things that don't work. his attitude was remarkable because he knows what's going on. all the democrats in these blue cities know what's going on and they don't mind. they think it is strange.

it is like hochul saying to zeldin i don't know why you are so concerned about this crime stuff. >> you almost can't believe they're saying it. >> they are protected from it like an episode of law and order and a tv show that doesn't act them when they go home. this is good news. talk about erasing votes and if you do this for crimes as you noted, of course that's exactly what they are doing it for and especially for a person who is in charge of making this not happen. are you not in charge of managing this crime and creating more. you are supposed to have justice and keep people safe and, of course, that's abandonment of his duty and finding out what happens and congratulations to those republicans. >> it hurts the very people that they say they're out to help the most. in philadelphia if you want to walk to work or take mass transit. >> the rich or upper percentage of people will be able to pay

for gas, they've got a car. people coming in, the working class have to use public transportation. they don't have an option. like i'm in a nice position and choose to not take public transportation. the average person is not in that position. the women in those positions as well are particularly difficult dynamic. these are individuals being shsh -- chauffeured to work. these are the people in urban areas who have been abandoned and we saw some of the numbers in the mid-terms when it came to blacks and hispanics moving to the republicans not as a statement but because they want these things to be changed. the democrats would be good to notice we're offer it and people in the inner city regardless of their complexion are over it. >> they are living it and they can't move. they don't have the money to go

to a different city or state. i want to ask you about president biden having a little fun at republicans' expense happened during the turkey pardon yesterday at the white house. >> president biden: votes are in, they have been counted and verified. there is no ballot stuffing or no foul play. the only red wave this session is a german shepherd knocking over the cranberries on our thanksgiving table. we have more chickens in the nation than everybody in delaware but we don't have turkeys. >> turns out delaware has an extensive list of farms that raise turkeys. while the nation's state does have a chicken population that out numbers human residents 200 to 1 it does not crack the top ten in the nation. >> since when did reality matter to joe biden? come on. a lot of people would disagree

they have at least one turkey from delaware. when you are looking at what this ceremony is supposed to be a about this man is pretending everything is fine and they won a basket full of puppies and lost the house of representatives. it's a big deal. we talked before we started about the aviator glasses. you weren't impressed. i'm not impressed. not because of partisanship. thanksgiving, 20% more to have any kind of thanksgiving celebration. food pantries trying to get the basics to people so they can enjoy thanksgiving. it's the united states in 2022. why is this happening? and there is this guy in aviators saying there is no stuffing. >> people say they are shopping at multiple stores just to find cheaper prices on items that they buy every day. when we say we aren't impressed,

it to come out and make jokes in the middle of an inflation crisis that is deeply affecting everyone in this country. 40-year high prices that we're all paying. great to see you. thank you for joining us. final thought? >> with all of this americans are making due. we understand what is happening. joe biden might be having fun now but americans will take care of business and we see what's going on. we see them and we'll be fine. >> thank you very much. another media outlet now letting us know the hunter biden laptop is, in fact, real two years after dismissing it as unverified. reactions ranging from stunned to savage. house republicans are at the southern border now calling out president biden for his failure to see the crisis firsthand. they are teasing a big announcement today and promising to use their new power in the house to rein in the chaos.

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>> president biden still hasn't visited the border ever in his

whole life. top republicans are back there again following the mid-term elections pushing the president to secure the border and stem the massive flow of illegal immigrants coming over it. leading that delegation house minority leader kevin mccarthy tweeted this week a republican majority will use every tool at our disposal from the power of the purse to power of the subpoena to secure the border. he has teased a major announcement later today. things at the border are set to get even worse. >> now with the end of title 42 we know that we'll go from 7,000 encounters a day to over 18,000 a day. it is an open border. we have lost operational control and people in everyday america are paying the price sometimes with their lives. there should be no excuse anymore as to why democrats don't work with republicans in securing the border. >> bill melugin is live in el paso, texas for us on that. hello. >> sandra, good morning to you. gop minority leader kevin

mccarthy and the delegation have come to the del rio sector. it is nearly a 300% increase over the same time last year and does not account for the gotaways. look at this video we shot here in the el paso sector in a 10-minute span yesterday afternoon in new mexico outside of eagle pass we saw more of these illegal immigrants scaling the border wall and running into new mexico towards residential neighborhoods some dressed in black and camouflage trying to evade. there were border patrol agents playing a cat and mouse game tracking them down. we witnessed at least three of these guys get away. one running into the residential neighborhood. border patrol got 1 or 2 of these guys. this plays out every day in the

el paso sector. look at these mug shots. two child predators arrested in the del rio sector by border agents after crossing illegally. one had a conviction for rape of a disabled minor and deported in 2018. the other guy mexican national convicted of sexual abuse of a child in utah and previously deported last year. two guys who tried coming back stopped and arrested by border patrol agents in the del rio sector. two major fentanyl busts. cbp port of entry in nogales, arizona. officers stopped a vehicle with 269,000 fentanyl pills being smuggled inside hidden in a gas tank area and the busts over the weekend. same exact port of entry. three busts totaling half a million fentanyl pills and more than 12 pounds of pure fentanyl

powder. smugglers hiding those in different areas of those vehicles. back out here live minority leader mccarthy tells me he believes that dhs secretary mayorkas has been dishonest with the american public two times when he testified under oath twice that the border is secure. he tells me he is going to be making a major announcement about secretary mayorkas later this afternoon. >> keep us posted live from there bill melugin as we accept that announcement to come soon. doug collins, former republican georgia congressman and david car lucci former new york state senator joining us. david, why won't the president visit the border? he has to know what's happening there. why not visit the border where this is happening? >> i think this is about reforming the immigration process it's broken in the united states. and i hear republicans talk about the border and the

concerns and mccarthy has pledged to do whatever it takes except work with democrats on immigration reform. we can do both. we can chew gum and walk at the same time. we can secure the border but also reform our inhumane immigration policy in the united states. that's why people are desperately crossing the border because there is not a process that works to allow people that are fleeing prosecution, fleeing horrible situations to have their say and have an opportunity to legally enter the country. so we have to do both. >> doug, what about that? is there a missed opportunity to make this a bipartisan visit to the border? >> no, with all due respect to david i was ranking member of the judiciary committee. democrats have no desire to fix the immigration system. only desire to make sure the border is open and to make it easier for folks to come across. i dealt with democrats on this

and there was no real push to take care of immigration which many of us want to do apart from actually securing the border. look, these folks are coming across. this is not asylum. everybody coming across over 90% of more that claim asylum don't qualify. it can be said for anyone in a poor part of the united states. a border not being secured. the democratic party who i have worked with who have no desire to fix it. they enjoy it as an issue and don't want to fix it. >> the new interview "washington post" columnist asked senator mark kelly do you think democrats nationally have recognized the complexity of the issue and frustrations that people have? kelly answered absolutely not. not even close. when i first got to washington, he says, it didn't take me long to realize that there are a lot of democrats who don't understand our southern border.

do you believe that also to be the case, david? >> i think the senator is correct. i think you have differing opinions. senator being on the southern border knows. that's the problem. we are talking in ideas. >> that's an admission the president should go to the border to show democrats what is happening there. kelly knows because he is at the border. >> i think it's more than stunts. i'm hopeful that mccarthy's announcement will be something of a move forward and not just an attack. that's what we've seen. pointing fingers, blaming other parties. what doug said i can take the exact reverse to say republicans don't have an interest in actually immigration reform. >> let him respond to that. >> look, this is two separate arguments. i've been in the room. we have laid out information about daca, all these other issues and immigration after the border. the problem we've always run into there is no desire now especially with this

administration to fix the border. you don't lookinging to the basement of your house and see water and notice the pipe in the basement is broken. i have experienced this and the democrats not wanting to fix it. >> late to the party. >> probably impeachment. >> we have heard those calls from republicans talking about the dhs secretary i assume, doug. cbs report on monday, yesterday morning confirming the contents of hunter biden's laptop just yesterday. more than two years after the "new york post" first broke the story. >> as republicans take control of the house, hunter biden, the president's son, will be a target for investigations. that means data from a laptop reported to belong to biden could be crucial to the investigation.

cbs news has obtained its data, not through a third party or political operative but directly from the source who told us they provided it to the f.b.i. under subpoena. we commissioned an independent forensic review to determine its authenticity. >> conservatives are blasting the report as too little too late. meghan mccain with this. anyone with five brain cells has known hunter biden's laptop is real. marsha blackburn after laughing off reports for two years the mainstream media wants to claim a victory lap over their independent review. you cannot make this up. david, you can't. >> well, i think republicans have to be very careful here. one of the first press conferences they formally do is about hunter biden. we spent this campaign trail republicans talking about focusing on american families. instead they are focusing on the first family. that's not going to help move our policy forward.

so i think veering off into the personal dwellings of the first family could be a major mistake. >> too little too late, doug? >> it's honesty here. you need to be honest with the american people. cbs going to their letter and opening up a letter that's two years old. >> spirited debate there. thank you very much. and live look at the white house as anticipated dr. anthony fauci making his last appearance at a white house press briefing there before his retirement. so this is a live look happening at the white house right now. the briefing is ongoing as he says his final goodbye from the podium where we saw him speak many times throughout the pandemic. all right, more on that likely coming up. thank you so much for watching "the faulkner focus." and we appreciate you joining us on this holiday week. i will be back with a lot more news 1:00 p.m. eastern time with

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♪ ♪ >> kayleigh: hello, everyone this is "outnumbered" i am kayleigh mcenany and here is my emily compagno also joining us julie banderas, cheryl casone, and jimmy failla peary we begin with the growing threat of a rail strike in time for the holiday season. yet another potential crisis for the biden administration ran a few hours but it will head to nantucket for his thanksgiving vacation. your member before midterms he took credit for averting a strike after the white house helped broker an agreement with the unions. that deal just fell apart. we