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thank you very much for being with us we will watch all of this unfold. the idea that kamala harris will get on a plate but we will follow bit. thank you for being with the spirit of the patriot awards at the top of the show, a special time tonight 10:00 p.m. and we will see you next sunday on "the next revolution" at 10:00. ♪ ♪ >> todd: president biden's war on fossil fuels taking another term for the worse. the administration now allowing chevron to resume its plan of oil variations in venezuela. at the same time the white house with taxpayer dollars into foreign nations to promote clean energy. that doesn't make any sense, hopefully this does, you are watching "fox & friends first" on monday morning. i'm todd piro. >> carley: i'm carley shimkus an op-ed in "the wall street journal" puts it this way, environmental
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reparations to developing countries days later that emerged biden administration would issue a new license to chevron to resume operations and joint ventures with them as well as oil company. the u.s. government thinks a fool not only because we did for america for thanksgiving to let new slip of the deal to increase every crude output from joint ventures controlled by a deal with iran expects you to believe venezuela is considering a return to free election exchange. we went like we said it makes no sense alexandria hoff can you make any sense of this whole live from washington? >> kari lake, todd i will try when it comes to the biden administration is saying. this resume extraction to work with state oil company. in exchange allegedly committed to a legendary agreement with a creed and fair election.
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according to saturday's release from the treasury department the united states welcomes and supports the reopening of negotiations between the platform and the maduro regime. to reengage us to back away from sanctions imposed on president maduro's dictatorship on president trump. and under his leadership, crimes and human rights violations committed and fostered. this latest action has to do with the restoration of democracy according to the biden administration and not current gas prices. today the price of a gallon is averaging $3.55, that is up from last year. former white house economic advisor stephen. >> we are going to allow chevron to do drilling in venezuela. this administration, are not interested in drilling here in the u.s. not in texas, oklahoma or alaska or west virginia but we can pump oil from venezuela.
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it makes absolutely no sense. it has put america last energy policy. >> so a lot of people surprised by this, why there is this foreigner alliances on domestic interest by the biden administration but the administration does say if venezuela does not make good on these good-faith negotiations, that they could end. carley and todd appear >> todd: my sources tell me we have oil in the u.s. but we are working to confirm that. alexandra, thank you kristi noem said president biden's energy policies are crushing the economy in her state, watch. >> doing more to do bad deals instead of venezuelan oil rather than american clean energy. so, he is doubling down on very bad policies that are impacting families here incredibly every single day. and south dakota, we grow a lot of the world's food. we just do, we feed people. you drive up fuel costs like diesel and gas, that is
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impacting farmers here in and how they take care of their families bow they get their food to the processors that put it on the grocery store shelves and a lot of that is passed down. remember, a lot of farmers don't have a lot of money to put the seed, fertilizer in the ground they are borrowing from the bank. they are going out and getting operating notes at higher interest rates because of joe biden and borrowing it and putting it in the dirt and hope they can grow your food and give it in a way that has cash flow. we can't have farmers go out of business because they grow our food in this country. when another country grows our food and supplies it, that is when they control a spear that is the reality of the long term of policy and how it impacts their security as a nation. >> carley: a lawmaker planning to jump into action if the white house fails to reach a deal with real unions with a massive strike on december 9th. >> congress will not let the strike happened here that is for sure appear that would be devastating for the economy.
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we will get resolution one way or not. we can't have the transportation system responsible for one-third of our products being transported throughout the country struck down. that is not an option. >> according to the railroad association the rail strike could cost the economy about $2 billion per day and cut about 700,000 jobs if you can believe those numbers. turning to this class is back in session at the university of idaho today. it is the community that remains on edge over the quadruple murder mystery within two weeks after the killings. >> todd: brooke singman has the latest. >> carley, todd more than two weeks than the brutal killings of four university idaho students and the police have not named a suspect or motive. said dimmick students had to return to class but the university giving the option to finish the semester remotely over concerning killer remains on the loose. the police are still searching for the weapon used in the murders of kaylee, madison,
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ethan and xx end. but tight-lipped on the investigation and kaylee's father has not gotten an update before thanksgiving and tired of being left in the dark, listen. >> they are just kind of telling me that they can't tell me much which is frustrating to me because i've been very trustworthy. >> almost no answers from the police, rumors about what happened or swirling pet officials want this case will take time to reiterate the request for patients from the public. >> we want responsibility for people to be careful. that is important in this investigation. yes, we have made progress in this case however again since it is criminal we can't provide all information to the public. >> here has been confirmed so far when the victim had a
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defensive bones from fighting back. the 911 call came inside the house from surviving roommate cell phone. surveillance video behind caleigh and medicine than i'd of the murders have been cleared as suspects. the police have expanded the crime scene to a parking lot and forced an area behind the home. authorities are investigating claims that kaylee had a stalker but yet to identify one. they have come through thousands of tips and 150 interviews. the police are expected to hold more interviews this week has some students return to campus for the thanksgiving day break, carley and todd. >> carley: brooke thank you so much. special agent jonathan gilliam pure jonathan good morning to you. the headline today, there really isn't one. two weeks in and no information on who committed this crime. are there any details that you are honing in on in this case? >> i do think there are some important things that the public
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should be informed of so they can get an idea what they are looking for. i have been very critical of the police department and they first handled these things but i have to tell you i don't blame them at all for not telling the families anything else. ever since this occurred, the family members have been on a podcast, newscast and law enforcement is automatically going to pull back on the information they provide if that occurs. so, i don't blame them for that. but what i do think they should be doing and they probably are not going to because they think they will inflame the situation of people being nervous if they do this, but people have to understand about what occurred on that night at the type of person that would do this. now, i've heard some analysts saying things that are sound bite related. one analyst on another network said it was probably a female or same argument or something and
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inflamed it as exclusive or all-inclusive type of thing. i don't think that is the case. i'm pretty sure this was a young male, somebody who could get into the house and get out in that neighborhood without being seen. i don't think it was to people because the more people you have going into that house, the more likely it is that they were going to be seen. it think it is one male young enough to have been in the neighborhood. i think that potentially they entered from the second floor because the first floor was never disturbed here or there is also a wooded area behind that house. but here is an important thing that i think people should realize. this is probably not the first time that this person did this. as i explained before, this is an adrenaline filled incident when something goes in and they kill, especially with a knife, there is a tremendous amount of adrenaline that goes into this. to do that four times in one
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event shows that this person is most likely not done this before. so people need to realize, this individual is probably odd. he has probably shown some type of behavior that people think it strange or menacing and they are close to them. i would advise people if they know someone like this where they saw something between the hours of 3:00 and 7:00 when the sun came up on the 13th of november, that they should call law enforcement and say, this is what i saw it and this is where i saw it. >> todd: would you go so far to say this individual is a serial killer? >> well i think when you look at what they did, typically killers don't rise to this level on their first shot. so somebody is not going to come in and kill four people in less it is a family oriented type of thing, which this was not. you do see with mass killers and people also need to realize the
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difference between somebody who is in over killers such as the walmart killer where the person in colorado that shot up a nightclub here are people expect to be seen. it is a fit of rage or narcissism or psychopathic dominance. but with this individual, they may share that narcissistic or psychopathic dominants, but they don't want to get caught. so i think what we see here is something that was an escalation with this person has probably done something violent before, potentially killing before because remember they don't start off killing and killers don't necessarily rape. and they have been identified people before and i would say within a three hour travel distance to moscow, idaho, that this person probably lives. >> carley: jonathan, a lot of the people have spoken out about this case in terms of law enforcement or are making statements that are leading
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people to believe that they do no more than what is released to the public. do you think that is true, or as of now, they are still completely in the dark? >> i think law enforcement knows what they know here they could be telling us less because things have quickly gotten out to the media or it could just be the fact that this was such a saturated crime scene and there were so many people there before that night. and that morning when people actually called other people that came there before police even got there. i find it to be the oddest, strangest thing i have ever heard. so i think the situation, this crime scene is going to take time to filter out. you have got to remember there is dna everywhere, blood everywhere so things are going to be tainted. it takes a long time. i would rather see the police take their time and diligently worked their way through this than to succumb to peer pressure and tell people is no -- they
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just can't get to it or nothing to be worried about or make something up. i would rather see this diligent investigative process. >> todd: if you are a child at the university of idaho, with that child be back the following thanksgiving day break? >> i would be very careful with that until they find out anymore information released, but i will tell you one thing people can do. i think people should go and get, it is a $35 purchase at amazon. it is a garage -- excuse me a driveway detector and it comes with one little thing that looks out with i think ir and has a monitor that goes off. people use them on their driveways all the time. you can put that at the front door of your bedroom and have that thing in your room and be prepared. have a bright flashlight, a blunt object, a permit to carry and sorority, don't go out and get wasted to the point where
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you pass out and you don't know what's going on when you get home. i would not buy side at all, but especially until they catch you did this. >> carley: absolutely. one of the things we are learning about this area -- great advice, by the way there -- it is not new york city. where you have crimes, cameras on every corner. it is a rule college town and this area is one where they have a lot of college homes so they don't make there may not have been cameras in the area, de, andthere are some investigas saying even if you have something that may not seem like a big deal, handed them because what might not be in the footage just as important as what could be in the footage. so great advice, great analysis, jonathan and thank you for joining us here >> you got it. i want to say one at the thing, i was a part of the times square investigation where a bomber drove up on a bicycle and put a
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pipe bomb on the recruiting depot in times square in 2008. they've never been caught. they drove all over new york city in a bicycle. that tells you the reality of cameras. >> carley: it will be a long investigation, hopefully with the right information and forensics that can be cut down. but like we said, thank you for joining us, we appreciate it. >> you got it, thank you. >> todd: let's turn to world cup news as morocco gets their first cup win since 1988 and a stunning win over belgium. >> morocco getting the big 2-0 win. meanwhile in the spring going first, germany will even it out. the hopes of reaching the knockout round alive. and tomorrow the u.s. will
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follow up with a tie against england. when they face iran america needs a win in the knockout round for the first time since 2014. coverage starts 1:00 p.m. eastern time on fox. what a match up there. >> todd: it all comes down to that. starting with the eagles who are a little invested with this 40-33 win over the pack. despite two touchdowns tom brady and the buccaneers fall to the brown and overtime. clean up winning 23-17. what a game for mike white is the jets demolish the bears in this game was wet. the quarterback for the jets was a backup. going for three touchdowns and diverse game of the season including this score. >> [cheers and applause] >> todd: for seal the deal
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13-0 win for the 49ers over the saints, so close to the touchdown but gave it up. this is the first time a shout shut out in 20 years. it is a date marked on your calendar. >> carley: yes. >> todd: crime is up big in new york city that d8 downgrading half of the felony charges and misdemeanors. we are breaking down the correlation between the two. >> carley: that is the headline and massive union strike could bring supply chain to the hold. and how worried should you be about getting christmas gifts? we will talk to a supply chain expert coming up next. ♪ ♪
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♪ ♪ >> carley: good morning, welcome back. whole foods pulling main lobsters from the shelves and what they call an effort to protect endangered whales. environmental groups and the height end chain at odds with the fisherman who said thousands of jobs could be lost without this revenue. representative for the fish are saying not one whale death has been reported because of the fishing and even the democrat governor with disappointment
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saying the decision continues to pardon the livelihoods of men and women up and down maine's coast. quite the situation there, todd. >> todd: solution in search of a problem but cyber monday shopping has begun as a massive oil strike to disrupt the supply chains with estimated $2 billion per day. and 700,000 jobs, and international importer/exporter supply chain expert and joining me now, salvatore, if you order something on black friday or planning on shopping online today on cyber monday, should you be worried about getting your item on time? >> it is going to be close. i think a lot of people have to realize that ups is the largest customer of the rails. so, when you have goods coming across the country, it would be more concerned about frozen type items that really could be
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possibly held. this week, i would estimate even though this possible strike, the rails, the sea ships stopped taking good from the 7-10 days before. >> todd: that is wildly concerning and not just consumer goods like that. it is those goods that we don't often think about, but the ones that ultimately allow our economy to proceed. things like ethanol, chemicals and the like, right, salvador? >> absolutely. the rails carry a third of all cargo pier there is a tremendous amount of chemicals, like you said ethanol. i read estimate $0.16 additional a gallon strike for fuel. so, all of these commodities with manufacturing, refinery. >> those thinking salvatore, but todd, the white house told me we avoided a rail strike.
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how is the messaging around the tentative deal as it is called completely misleading. >> i would save my children on a friday night have a hard enough time to decide what they have for dinner. never mind the rails. ultimately a short period of time coming to a agreement. back in september when i heard the word tentative's, that is exactly what it is. not too comforting. that is for sure. >> todd: what is your advice to consumers and what should we be buying out to dave before it is too late? >> well, canned goods and things of that nature. 30% by rail. i would get any type of frozen type goods by rail. things of that nature. >> todd: by the numbers this could cost $2 billion a day if we have a rail strike.
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and paid sick leave, and seem to be the main sticking points. does congress ultimately step in and have to solve this and basically say you can't strike? there is no strike over? >> yesterday congressman fitzpatrick said it is not an option and we have to resolve it. i see the problem that it will be too late. congressman is back in this friday, rails and a lot of good spirit so what are you going to do with that? hazardous materials facility on the rail. so i think if the strike started december 9th, you're not getting more than the strike. the implications already this week. so day ten in t the strike. >> todd: are we about to get a rude wake-up call how important the rails are to our way of life? i haven't thought about the
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rails in a wile. is that something we are about to get a rude wake-up, salvador? >> in my opinion that what west coast was paying attention to on the west coast, which by the way that still negotiation so i'm thinking they may be watching the outcome of the rails negotiate and maintain some from that on the motions because they still don't have a deal with pacific maritime so we have two major transport union members who have no deal. >> todd: much like the messaging put out for the student loan situation. this is a problem that has not been solved either yet, buyers able to fool the voters. salvatore stile, we appreciate your time. >> think you. >> todd: take a look at this heart stopping video showing people trapped in a plane dangling from a power line. we will show you how that all
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♪ ♪ >> todd: north korean leader kim jong un with the world's most powerful nuclear force peer those comments shared by state media commerce with height and between young and the u.s. kim posing for these photos in front of 17th intercontinental missile. and claiming the missile underwent a test launch earlier this month one of dozens of lunches this year. the u.s. and south korean officials warned south korea could be preparing for a nuclear test. now the payoff in china with question with protesters
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throughout the country after ten people burned alive in their apartment when the chinese communist party reportedly locked them inside as part of new covid measures. [chanting] >> carley: gordon chain a senior fellow at the gate stone institution and the collapse of china and the great u.s. china tech war and joins us now. gordon, good morning to you. the protests are a big deal when you have mass protest against authoritarian government, it is no small thing. the big question is will these protest ultimately change anything or does president xi weather the storm? >> it is possible that xi jingping weathers the storm at first. the problem with the communist party, we have seen mass discontent. they are not just protesting
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against a local official because he's corrupt. this is against xi jingping and the communist party. i think what we will see eventually, let's say within a couple of years is that the party will fail. largely because the chinese people don't want it there anymore. >> todd: and participation of that what will xi jingping and the ccp do in response to the protest? >> we know we are ready people's daily which is the most authoritative publication in china and double down on zero covid cova policies. these are the things that trigger the protest on friday right after the fatal fire thursday. and so, people have initially talked about the covid rules, which, of course we have seen so much discontent over them this year. but the communist party is doubling down, which means this is a confrontation and will not go away. >> carley: hey, you made a pretty big prediction saying in a few years, xi jingping's party
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will fail. and no surprise to him because essentially said that he is president for life. what should we be looking out for to see possibly in the future if that could happen? why do you make that prediction? >> i think that prediction because this is actually more dangerous than 1989 the tenement square massacre. because then protesters really wanted to keep the communist party in place but just wanted to replace some leaders. this is more like 1949 with the chinese people had just given up on the national -- and the communists came in. you know, i've been wrong on timing with the communist party. i could be wrong again, course but the point is you can see the seething across the country that on friday, just erupted simultaneously and leaderless. it just shows the nature of what the chinese people are thinking right now.
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and the question is, what are you looking for? let's look for chinese officials fleeing china. that could very well be a sign that the end is near. >> todd: when it comes to the timing, gordon, is there any chance the protest the ones we see on the screen and the ones likely the days to follow actually force xi jingping out sooner rather then later by the end of the year or the beginning of next year? >> what is possible because even last month the communist party national congress met and xi jingping consolidated his control of the party, it was clear of the party was losing control of chinese society. that is one of the most graphic demonstrations of that was the iphone protest and that enormous plant more than half of the world's iphone spirit so, it was clear that the party was losing its grip there. this fire on thursday just confirmed that that the chinese people just want freedom. >> carley: it is wild to think
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the second largest economy in the world 1.4 million people living in china are living under the zero lockdown policy where if covid numbers go up, you get locked down not just a suggestion. you get sealed into your apartment building. you can't go outside. what is the thinking behind this? is this about control over people? a little bit of self sabotage because if you get locked in your apartment and can't go to work, it is affecting your economy but why is this happening? >> i think for a couple of reasons, first of all xi jingping wants to control the chinese people. he has known the author of the covid zero policies. you are criticizing xi jingping if you criticize the policies. but though communist party in the early months of the pandemic made its control of the disease is a test of its legitimacy. it use that to attack america democracy. right now chinese leaders know that people are not vaccinated
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with anything effective. the chinese vaccines don't work against omicron. and so, the people in the health department, they know that the only defense they have is isolation. they have not made the correct preparations and have not built icu beds. they've just built facilities that don't open the crisis that is going to happen to china. >> todd: how can this instability in china impact us in the u.s.? >> china will remain unstable. if this crisis is as quick as you talk about, todd, the communist party won't have the chance to create military misadventure to distract the chinese people. if this crisis plays out over a long period met, xi jingping will do that. he will last lash out and trigger domestic trigger in the incident because we have alliesn the region japan, philippines,
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taiwan, australia so we are all at risk here for what xi jingping probably will do if he has the opportunity. >> carley: fascinating turn of events happening in china right now, gordon, thank you for joining us. >> thanks, carley and todd. >> carley: absolutely. target says up to $600 million in profit losses thanks to criminals at retail giants are the only businesses suffering thanks to the crime crisis. >> todd: we are talking to to three small business owners that know this all too well. they are next. ♪ ♪
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>> todd: a terrifying scene in maryland as a plane crashes into a live power lines and get stuck for seven hours. the pilot and passenger finally freed by rescuers. this happening a few hours ago. they were transported to the hospital. the dangerous rescue 100 feet and they are only took place after the power lines were cut. both individuals suffered serious injuries as well as possible hypothermia. at one point one zero zero zero residents lost power because of the crash, which has mostly been restored. the cause of the crash under investigation. and super bowl champion wide receiver odell beckham jr. scored off of an american airlines flight after refusing to put on his seat belt. odell beckham in and out of
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consciousness and they were concerned for his well-being so they deplaned all passengers and the police arrived later. he appeared to react later on twitter, "i can ever make this up calling it a comedy hour." the lawyer said overzealous flight attendant leaving everyone from the plane instead of allowing him to fasten his seat belt and continue with the flight. odell beckham the most free agent and going to the cowboys this week but we will see. woke manhattan d.a. firing back at critics as new office shows just how criminals are being convicted in the big apple. >> carley: ashley strohmier to tell us more. back in 2019 [ran on criminal justice reform in particular holding up the law forecast endemic cash bail in his office downgraded filling cases to misdemeanors so far this
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year for 2022. compare that to 2019 and has office downgraded 32% of felony cases, three years ago 53% of new york city's misdemeanor cases resulted in a conviction. that number fell to 29% this year. as far as felony cases are concerned, 68% lead to convictions in 2019, but that is down. 51% this year. a lot of numbers thrown at you but the d.a. office does not agree with the numbers as stafford alvin bragg this is a false data comparisons that does not take into account the challenges of discovery or impact covid had on the city. we prosecuted 459 more felonies this year compared to last and we have three times as many gun condition so far this year compared to all of 2019. although the subway felonies increased 40% year-over-year brad called his campaign "racist."
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the rhetoric during the campaign was kind of sobering and discouraging. if you look at those ads, which i tried to not watch but ubiquitous, there were times when i was the only black face. and one has to ask if that was intentional and what the message being sent was. >> florida ag moody said these radical d.a. policies are hurting everyday americans. listen to this. speak with these radical folks get elected into office, they are very policies harmed the communities and the people they profess to protect. if you enforce your laws and that includes people that wake up every day and number one intention is to harm your citizens. they cannot stand the communities. >> the nypd's latest crime reporting overall crime in the city is up 27.6% since this time last year. back to you guys. >> carley: all right, ashley,
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thank you guys. crime is taking a big toll and businesses across the country the season. retail giant target said it could cost the company $600 million by the end of this year. i'm joined by business owners across the country seeing the impact of crime firsthand. the ceo of the brewery based in kentucky, omar duncan in new orleans, and the los angeles property manager and they all join me now. small business owners impacted by crime. ted come i will start with you. tell us your story because your brewery was broken in over the summer, what happened there? >> we had multiple break-ins and facilities in five different locations. both of our columbus, ohio, facilities robbed and our kentucky facility rubbed. >> carley: what happened? we have surveillance video provided someone breaking into your louisville facility. what we are looking at is a guy throwing a brick at your front door. and it is bullet proof glass.
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he was not able to get in that way but he eventually made his way in. >> correct that he was able to breach the attempt but went to the side door and unfortunately the integrity of the frame gave way and he was able to get in since smash and grabs and these guys were professional criminals and 1 of 8 locations that were robbed. we never heard from a police investigator to my knowledge. >> carley: 1 of 8 so are you noticing crime is increasing in your area or more of a one-off thing? >> no, it is not just louisville but every major city where you have attorney generals like the ones you pointed out who are not addressing the crime. -- go ahead. >> carley: go ahead, so sorry for cutting you off, finish your thought. >> you can see that picture is that there is of a s.w.a.t. team
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where they use the roof on a sunday and there was an incident where a hostage situation occurred on the street. there was a homeless guy holding other people hostage. so the problem was the crime. >> carley: well met, unbelievable image. omar i could not believe this for the first time. by the national retail security survey says shoplifting has cost business owners and the three of you that i'm talking to right now, $100 billion in profits. at that to increased labor and food shortages, people are coming back and a lot of small businesses are shutting down. but what are you going through? >> for us a very similar situation. our particular case, we did apprehend two youngsters that broken into our store but unfortunately, the process in terms of how they handled it and in terms of the punishment for
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the juveniles that were caught. basically, a release, a slap on the wrist. it really was -- it really was apparent that they were not going to be prosecuted or pay for their crimes. >> carley: we had a report that alvin bragg is in new york city but we are seeing it across the country just downgraded 52% of cases, felony cases to misdemeanors but how do you feel about that? >> we are in new orleans and this particular case, the juveniles that basically broke into our store are supposed to participate in some type of program but in our particular case when we get to the juvenile board to have them prosecuted or try to hold them accountable for their actions.
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>> carley: you are downtown los angeles, crime poses a big problem but what are you experiencing? >> yeah, it is very frustrating as business owner and property owners about all the things going on downtown with the smash and grabs and people just don't care or. these guys are coming in. we have armed guards in our building. they don't care. they take the risk because they have nothing else to do or nothing else to lose and they know they won't go to jail. they will be out in 24 hours and it won't matter. >> carley: do you think karen bass will do a good job as mayor? ran on a inter-crime platform but came short. >> i hope so. i hope she can change things around. i guess we have to give her a chance but it is also district attorney, and the police officers are frustrated. we are arresting people but the next day they are walking out in
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the district so it is very frustrating. >> carley: ted, how much are the these break-ins affecting your profits? it is not just the money they take but the cleanup effort which is expensive. expensive bulletproof glass doors about $200 apiece and in addition to the cost to my cash. they stole alcohol in both instances as well. the bigger effect is people are afraid to come downtown. you have an element where it is hard to put a quantified number. but we certainly see fewer and fewer locals coming to downtown locations. >> carley: that is a great point. there are so many things impacted by crime when it comes to people coming to stores and the effects of how much it costs to clean up and also criminals just being allowed to run rampant and do what they do which is very unfortunate. ted, omar, nejdeh, we are all
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rooting for you. thank you. >> thank you, merry christmas. >> carley: you too. classes back in session and the university of idaho where desperate for answers on the killing of four students over two weeks ago. we will tell you exactly where things stand today. >> todd: plus again asking the biden administration to stop sending them to the border and let them do their job protecting our skies. the executive director of the air marshall national council here with an urgent message. ♪ ♪ ...
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