who shot the only goal in today's game to beat iran, we are told christian has now been taken to the hospital with an abdominal injury. this is just being reported by the ap out of doha. i am sure more is coming up. did you watch the big game? >> i did not. prayers to the gentleman. >> sandra: thank you very much for joining us. thanks to all of you, i will see you tomorrow. here's "the five." >> greg: i am gregg jarrett, with jessica tarlov. dana perino, jeanine pirro. "the five." >> comes into the box again, an iranian player looking for a penalty. and the game is over! >> greg: i called it. cue the usa chants, team

usa kicking the ayatollah's'. the red white and blue come out on top, 1-0 over iran. one of the biggest wins for america in world cup history. not since sergeant slaughter beat the iron shaik has there been a bigger win over iran by the united states. the u.s. will advance to the knockout stage. here's the goal that put us on top. not working. oh, well. want to keep going? team usa says you haven't seen anything yet. maybe this will work. >> i say it is us against the world, no one believed the u.s. can play good football. we're just here trying to show the world. i think it is no better to do with people you love, our family in the stands. we do it for them. >> greg: america's victory coming amid major political tensions, the sluggish iranian government is cracking

down on citizens, protesting the death of a 22-year-old woman killed for not wearing a hair covering. the rogue nation also reportedly threatened its soccer team and the players' families with imprisonment and torture if they failed to behave in leadup to the game against the united states. so dana, your husband is british. >> dana: yes. >> greg: an important fact when we discuss football or soccer. british love soccer, they love failure. and what soccer is, you can tell by the score, 1-0, is a game about failure. repeatedly trying to score but failing until you do. in a way, it is like skateboarding. you have to work for that thing. tell me, what did you draw from this incredible win, very close game. >> dana: very close game. i believe that was in the first half, the goal. hemmer organized people to watch the pig and whistle.

>> greg: bill hemmer did during work hours? >> dana: he was finished with his work at the time. >> greg: must be nice. >> dana: peter took his eye off the screen, said it was a well deserved win against worthy, tough opponents. and america as they go on to play the netherlands sunday, a tough team, and our team is very young but super fast. they might just do it. >> greg: speaking of the netherlands, jesse, we just beat iran, i am a huge supporter of team usa. >> jesse: yes. >> greg: we beat iran which is undoubtedly evil. can you convince me that the netherlands is just as evil if not more evil than iran? that would help us beat the netherlands. >> jesse: they played a major role in international slave trade originally. >> greg: i didn't expect you to have an answer. >> jesse: most people don't. i haven't gotten the intel on the dutch, but whatever i can find out their

weakness is, i am sure i can exploit it somehow. i am disappointed we didn't beat the iranians 5-0. i watched the game, and i am not a soccer guy, but i was a soccer guy today. america was playing, i don't care what sport, shuffleboard or the luge, i want to beat the pants off the competition. they need to change the rules of the game. hear me out. they need to make the goal bigger. there's not enough scoring. i can't watch games 0-0. the other day we tied england, england's good. who cares. no one scored for 90 minutes. like me in college. and then you have a game, like 1-1 with wales. so we go into the game, i think if we tie or lose to the iranians, i'm going to have to kill myself because i invested more time watching soccer than i have in my entire life,

it is good, exciting, but there's not enough scoring. >> greg: you have to understand what i talked to with dana about, it is not just about the scoring, it is finding new ways to score and not succeeding until you score. >> jesse: 17 corner kicks last game, didn't get a shot on goal. >> dana: and then there's basketball, too much scoring. >> greg: we'll talk about that some other time. jessica, people don't know but you went to the world cup in 2018. must have been incredible for you. does it bring back fond memories, and did you root against america being a liberal? why do you hate america and team usa, jessica. answer the question. >> jessica: i just want to talk soccer. no, it was amazing going to the world cup. i went to the semifinal match between france and belgium, super exciting. it is so fun going to events where the teams are nations. that's what's cool about

the olympics as well, you get into it on a patriotic level. and you meet the most amazing fans that travel from all over the world to come to support their team. so i loved it. i didn't watch all of the game, i was preparing for the show. >> greg: this is on the show. >> jessica: we didn't know that until recently. very good point. but i did to make a more serious point about this, i felt so sad for the iranian footballers as they were forced to sing their national anthem, you can see kind of the pain and feelings almost of remorse that they're doing this, their families could be in danger if they don't. so this is obviously fun and you're supposed to enjoy these things, it has a higher level of import considering what's going on at home in iran and what the players have taken on. that was striking for me. it was accidental but taking credit. >> jeanine: that's the same place i was. i was thinking about the

fact that these players and their families are being threatened in iran. they have to go out there, put on their best game, get their best energy and get out there and do the best they can for fear that they're going to suffer, their family will suffer. i think it is amazing that they stood there, didn't mouth the words to the iranian national anthem. i also think the women that were protesting in iran now are to be commended because they took in this woman 21 years old, wasn't wearing the hi jab the right way, dies in police custody. it is time the iranians and the ayatollah understand this is a different world. you can't rely on the team to go out and represent you the way you're treating them and you expect them to act a certain way. so i'm glad america won, i wanted america to win, but i'm kind of sad but not so sad that iran lost. >> jesse: i'm surprised

they didn't play better if their family's lives are in danger. it is a big motivator. >> greg: it is. >> jesse: they dominated the whole game. >> dana: one political point to make and save the segment, yesterday at a press conference, our player was gracious and dignified. the question was how do you feel about playing for a racist country. first of all, you don't even let women play, you are -- do you know how many women and children died in protests in the last three months, how dare you. our player was gracious. didn't cause an international scene, but i bet he was thinking it. >> greg: i heard the reporter was auditioning for cnn. it was a basic question. how dcan you play for a racist country. >> dana: he was probably prepared for it. >> greg: we cover sports better than anybody. >> jeanine: not talking

about your sweater? >> greg: i am not a fair weather fan. i wore this every day. >> jesse: who's the best player? >> greg: that's a trick question. they're all the best. >> jeanine: name one. >> greg: they're telling me we have to move on. yep. all right. team usa isn't done kicking butt, america set to face off against the netherlands. watch that big world cup game this saturday on fox. i will be posting that. >> jesse: i can't wait to hear your analysis. >> greg: coming up next, the white house telling elon musk he better watch out as he brings free speech to twitter. ♪ ♪

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♪ ♪ >> jeanine: big brother biden is back with a vengeance. the censorship happy crew at the white house aren't thrilled with twitter's new owner elon musk,

they're used to colluding with big tech to censor americans. but the world's richest man actually sticks to his free speech principals. the white house has this warning. >> this is something that we're certainly keeping an eye on and look, you know, we have always been very clear that when it comes to social media platforms, it is their responsibility to make sure that when it comes to misinformation, when it comes to the hate we're seeing, that they take action, that they continue to take action. again, we're all keeping a close eye on this. >> jeanine: here's why the white house is so worried. elon musk says he is preparing to release sensitive twitter files on free speech suppression. musk calling the threat from biden's goons messed up and also tweeting this. this is a battle for the future of civilization, if

free speech is lost, even in america, tyranny is all that lies ahead. and top republican leader kevin mccarthy thinks elon's critics need to back off. >> that is offensive to me. government is going to go after someone that wants to have free speech? what do they have to look at twitter about? do they want to go more after the american public whether they can have an opinion on something? i think the american public have spoken on this. i think the first amendment stands up and i think they should stop picking on elon musk. >> jeanine: okay. dana, we're keeping a close eye on twitter. does it get any more big brother than that. >> dana: i wrote down that the white house needs to take a step back. we know one thing for sure, they keep a very close eye on twitter, they make their policies based on what they see in twitter, and react constantly, chief of staff retweeting everything on twitter. that's their issue.

but there's another thing that happened today. elon musk announces this, there's possibly going to be transparency on what happened on the censorship. at the same time, google and youtube announced a new fact checking global operation. they'll have $13 million for a new partnership with pointer institute, national fact checking network, to promote more accurate information online. maybe it will be great. but i have a feeling that you will have a lot of conservative sites say wait, we can't even get on the google search results. everybody is afraid something else is happening on the other side. i think more transparency is great, if that's going to engender trust and more free speech, that's really good. the white house don't need to keep a close eye on it, that's the problem in the first place. we have one issue on covid where the white house, former employees have to give testimony about whether they were talking to the big tech companies

to have them censor things on covid. it is coming back to bite them. >> jeanine: you know, greg, does anything get more fascist than termination of free speech? >> greg: i can think of things but that's for another time. they pay attention to twitter so much that they're taking it so hard because they fear they're going to lose their crutch. their news and opinions are created by twitter trends, created by a loud minority of time wasting shut-ins. and that dictates their opinions. if you didn't like to think, twitter would do that for you. now what you are seeing is unoriginal thoughts may go away, and where are they going to, right? you notice if you're on twitter, you notice it is a lot more fun lately. seems like the angriest people migrated to mastodon, leftwing version of twitter, and they're censoring and banning each other. they took their own weird practices with them. what's left on twitter is

more of a freeing and yes, maybe there might be something there that's disagreeable, but that's part of speech. this is my last point. the reason why i think the government and the media don't like somebody who's widening the lanes of free speech is because they define disagreeableness as hate speech, and hate speech as crime. therefore, disagreeable speech when it's on twitter makes free speech a crime. right? free speech allows for disagreeable speech, you call it hate speech, then freedom of speech is in danger of being called hate speech. we talked about this for years. we said this is where it was going. >> jeanine: you know, bezos is threatening, apple threatening to block twitter from the app store. what's that about. >> jesse: apple won't do business with twitter but will do business with the communist chinese? tells you a lot about

apple. i noticed a difference in twitter. i noticed less disinformation, less hate, and less liberals on twitter. i wonder if that's a coincidence. i agree with the white house on two things. one, you can't allow foreign bot armies to come in and fight information warfare against the united states. national security risk. musk has that under control. but the government can't ban american free speech in the name of fighting foreign information, and that's tyrannical. if i was running twitter, i wouldn't want lots of people saying kill whites, kill cops, kill blacks, you don't want that on your private platform, so you have to suppress that kind of speech. to use an analogy based off the world cup, the white house is like a soccer player that flops. you say one critical thing, and oh, they're twisting and saying you're

putting my life in danger. this is a death threat. no. i just barely tickled you. that's what they're trying to do with hate speech. anything critical, hate speech, we are all going to die. they're trying to make him toxic and launch boycotts. he has the moral high ground because free speech is above all that. he is winning the pr war because he's funny. that's his greatest asset, he is rid euiculing the establishment and they look sensitive and square. he is enjoying himself in that fight. and that's what people see and it is endearing. >> jeanine: jessica, twitter is a private company. where does the government get off saying we're going to monitor this and we're going to watch it and just from a criminal justice perspective, you investigate crimes, you don't investigate people and companies. what is the crime so far? >> jessica: that's why we're only keeping an eye on the situation.

>> jeanine: oh. >> jessica: but there is a long history of tech companies working with the government to make sure dangerous things don't happen, and that's really important. the covid-19 misinformation policy started under the trump administration. it was in early 2020 when there was tons of bad information floating around and trump officials worked with twitter, then biden took over and biden officials worked with twitter. same with youtube. >> jesse: he is not a trump official, he has been there 80,000 years. >> jessica: whatever. everyone knows that fauci served in eight administrations, one was donald trump's and biden, and worked for all of those that came before. let's be clear about that. when you say that elon musk is winning the pr battle, at the rate he is losing advertisers, he is not winning anything. he needs to be profitable. that was his goal taking over this. he thought he could make it better and make it produce more money.

>> greg: advertising model is a challenge dealing with users, subscribers, viewers. that's true, but he's getting way more users than he ever had. >> jessica: sure. >> greg: so you go for a pay model, that's what a lot of successful companies do, jessica. stay after class. we're going to talk about the economics of twitter. >> jessica: i can't wait. but i have to be somewhere. the whole mass to done thing is funny. all of those posting, if it becomes unsafe here, this is where you can find me. it is not that serious. twitter is the only social media i have. i enjoy it. if i do scrolling, i do it on twitter. if it went away, in about a week we would all be okay. its main function is to get you up to date news information, at least for people that work in the business we do and people we interact with on twitter. >> greg: replace drudge,

before twitter, you looked to drudge. >> jessica: not so much for my people, but yeah. >> greg: are you hanging out with kanye again? >> jessica: do not even, i would like to talk about that. it will be interesting to see when all these people that have been banned, i know kanye was only suspended a couple weeks because of an anti-semitic tweet, interesting to see how far musk will go in terms of restoring accounts to people that were repugnant. i am sure he won't bring back alex jones. >> jeanine: republican versus another standard. hate speech is protected by the first amendment and the constitution and the united states supreme court. >> jessica: okay. >> jeanine: democrats threaten to defund the police if they can't take your guns away. ♪ ♪

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♪ ♪ >> jesse: looks like the democrats are bringing back defund the police in full force. senator chris murphy is looking to punish conservative states that support the second amendment. >> the majority of counties in this country have declared that they are not going to especially force state and federal gun laws. they've decided they're going to essentially refuse to implement laws that are on the books. that is a growing problem in this country and i think we're going to have to have a conversation about that in the united states senate. do we want to continue to supply funding for law enforcement in counties that refuse to implement

state and federal gun laws? >> jesse: sorry, chris, americans aren't giving up their guns that easily. santa is packing heat this christmas. gun sales are booming with the fbi, running 200,000 background checks for black friday. the number of gun owners carrying daily doubled in four years. what's senator chris murphy talking about here? >> jeanine: nothing. let me tell you what's wrong with senator chris murphy. what he says, he wants to defund police departments that aren't making arrests on gun crimes. first of all, how do you decide whether or not the police should make an arrest? is it whether or not there's sufficient evidence? who decides whether there's sufficient evidence. what if the prosecutor says there isn't sufficient evidence, if there isn't a conviction, they haven't investigated, let's go to the prosecutors. what if they don't make an arrest for a gun crime. talk about sanctuary, talk about sanctuary cities

where illegals that commit crimes are protected from law enforcement and they're not prosecuted for crimes. you want to defund law enforcement, defund the fbi. they knew about nikolas cruz in the parkland shooting, knew about the s brothers, and what about in all these jurisdictions, gun crimes may not be the priority that murders are. you defunded everybody, so they don't have half the resources they need for these crimes. let me tell you one more thing. he is basing this whole thing on the 2021 situation where the lbgtq shooter had a problem with his mother. he says had they done a red flag on this kid, this shooting of the lbgtq wouldn't have happened. you're wrong. it was more than a year ago and that means it would have expired. >> jesse: chris murphy got hit in the face.

what do you have to say about that. that makes sense, can't argue with it. >> jessica: then i guess i have nothing to say. so the judge is right on expiration of the report on the bomb threat to his mother. in 2015, he had an incident when he went to live with his grandparents, there was some online bullying, he lashed out. that was something that could have been reported but it wasn't. and what chris murphy is talking about is that if there are communities, this was the first county after jared polis signed the red flag law in 2019 that said we don't want to be a part of it, then you don't get the same funding as people that want to enforce lawson the books. if you see how many republicans are for red flag laws, this should be updated. i don't know if these policies should exist. maybe we should have longer terms on red flag

law reportings. should be longer than a y year. >> jeanine: should alvin bragg be defunded, he said i am not doing this, this, and this. whether it is the governor or local person said we're not arresting on this, this, and this. let's just do it across the board. >> jesse: well said, judge jeanine. you are on fire. dana, besides the obvious lack of common sense this makes, what about politically, a democrat senator stepping in the defund goo all over again. >> dana: if you want gun control policies popular, you shouldn't tie them to defund the police movement. that's what all the democrats were talking about as they were facing tougher races and they wanted to in the midterm. that's going back four years ago, defund the police was a big problem for them in 2020 as well as republicans picked up seats. and also, the congress just passed gun control

legislation this past summer. it didn't stop the shootings. now, it might help prevent some in the future which would be good but if you want to have more laws, you have to be honest that you passed one that didn't work. why would this be different. you cannot tie it to defund the police. you'll be more unpap lar. people are buying guns legally. some shooters buy them legally. where is that. it says those type of people shouldn't get guns, how do you do that. i'm not an expert in that, i think that's where you could pinpoint the problem. >> jesse: people are asking santa claus for weapons this christmas. >> greg: that's an interesting way to get a gun. anyway, police have no problems enforcing laws until the dems decide to stop punishing violators. that's the problem. he was trying to do what

liberals, to steal from the left, trying to own the cons by adopting the sanctuary language to guns, thought it would be clever. the analogy is lousy because there's no sanctuary for breaking gun laws the way there is sanctuary for breaking immigration laws. so that's why it is so confusing. it sounded like he was saying i'm going to defund the police, even if the police are doing their job, and you legally own a gun. that's what it sounds like. having said that, i love the idea of a sanctuary city for guns. just sanctuary neighborhood. what a great experiment to take 8 blocks of manhattan, everybody can legally own and carry as long as they're law abiding citizens, not criminals. what a great experiment that would be to see what would happen in eight square blocks compared to the rest of the city. everybody would want to live there. thing is, they'll never do the experiment, they'll know no one wants to know the outcome. >> jeanine: in the mob

movies, nobody commits a crime in a mob neighborhood. >> dana: but experiments of legalizing opium dens in the middle of san francisco. >> jesse: where are those again. >> dana: san francisco i bel believe. >> jesse: straight ahead, environmentalists are acting like mobsters and trying to take away your lobsters. ♪ ♪ to the farmers market... when they got a chip. they drove to safelite for a same-day repair. and with their insurance, it was no cost to them. >> woman: really? >> tech: that's service the way you need it. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ ♪

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♪ ♪ >> dana: is this another example of caving to activists. whole foods will not sell maine lobsters in hundreds of stores nationwide. this could decimate the state's $1.4 billion industry, all about

concerns claiming the gear used to catch lobster is killing a rare type of what i will. maine's democratic governor says her state is being falsely blamed because there hasn't been a right whale death from maine gear and it has been 18 years since a whale gotten tangled in the state. jesse spoke with a maine lobster man who says whole foods needs to check its facts. >> whole foods maybe should have done a little more homework. you know, we've been in business over 150 years, and we've done our due diligence. i'm sorry they felt they had to jump on the bandwagon with the rest of the west coasters. >> dana: 12,000 jobs, jesse, are on the line up there in maine. >> jesse: he said they were conservationists before conservation was cool. the activists aren't out in the ocean, hauling up lobsters at 4:00 a.m.

they don't know a thing about what's in the deep sea. they're just probably sitting behind computer screens, ordering seamless. they protect the ocean, the environment, and they're stewards of the environment. and it is a tough job. you wake up at ungodly hours, you work really, really hard physically, and lobster prices go up and down. and right now, you can't all of a sudden threaten an industry already being threatened by low prices and these canadians that are being funded by the chinese. so these guys don't need this. jason is my boy, took me on the lobster boat for cocktails over the summer, i will be back next summer to enjoy a cocktail and more succulent lobster. >> dana: reminds me, judge, of groups that want cattle ranching to go away. the ultimate goal, they don't want us to eat any meat or protein. >> jeanine: right, right, it is all about control.

i don't recall a time when there was so much concern about what we ate. the key to it is that no right whale has died due to the maine lobster gear. the whole case rests on that. if there's a problem, then you sanction them, have an environmental law, and you prosecute it. but you don't take a whole state out of business and then deny people the right to buy a maine lobster. what's better than a maine lobster. >> dana: and also, this seems like a rash decision by whole foods. no lobster at any store? what kind of business decision is that. >> jessica: i don't know if they're going to try to get it from somewhere else. >> jesse: the australians? really? >> jessica: i'm not endorsing it, i am saying they have consumer base that likes lobster. i was looking for the dead whale in this and couldn't find one. once i saw that the democratic governor was mad about it, i thought this has really gone too far. >> dana: indeed.

greg, a group from california, seafood watch, a radical environmental group. they've taken $200 million in federal taxpayer dollars since 2001, and using federal taxpayer dollars to try to destroy an industry. >> greg: it is ridiculous. that's all i can say. do you know where lobsters get their christmas gifts? >> dana: the gun store. >> greg: santa claus. i don't eat seafood, i don't eat lobster. everything at whole foods kills something. where do you think the chickens come from? i am tired of having to discuss it with you. you're an insulting punk. >> jesse: where i draw the line. >> dana: next up on crossfire. throw back for you kids out there. google it. okay everyone, our mission is complete balanced nutrition.

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a 78 foot spruce from north carolina. all right. it is pretty. first up, a woman organizing a $5 million class action lawsuit against the kraft heinz company. saying it takes longer to make than advertised. pose to be ready in three and a half minutes, she said it takes longer and wouldn't have bought it had she known. >> jeanine: i think the company ought to cross sue her for intentional infliction of emotional distress and court costs for frivolous lawsuits. >> greg: you're so narrow minded. if it says that on the box, it should do that. i get so angry. for example, think about the things you need most urgently and they're so hard to open. did you ever notice that, you only need imodium and

pepto when you need them. press here, i would saw the pants off them. often times i had to throw pants away because of them. nestle quick, has it looked like the chocolate milk on the front? >> jesse: stir it. is your wrist too limp? swirl it around. >> greg: i stir until the cows come home. you see my point though, right? >> dana: also, doesn't every microwave have a different heat setting. it says depends on the strength of your micr microwave. >> jesse: if you read the research packet, they're counting other things like opening the box as part of the three and a half minutes. three and a half minutes in the microwave, then adding ex-empran why yous things. >> greg: she's a hero. >> jeanine: call a red flag law on her.

>> jessica: okay. up next, add this to your list of grievances. budget airline frontier getting rid of telephone consumer service. they have to resort to the airline website instead. i hate this. this seems like the worst idea possible. >> greg: takes the only joy out of my life. >> jessica: waiting on hold? >> greg: talking to consumer service people. i can talk to a stranger the way i want to talk. >> dana: that's sure to backfire. >> jeanine: they're going to lose money. you can't get on the phone to complain, you'll lose money. any video it is frontier or northwest. >> greg: they should be planning that out more. you buy the ticket, come to the fight.

>> greg: gets you where you want to go, and get a discount if you fight, choose to fight. you fight for free. fly for free. >> jeanine: or the flight attendants. >> dana: you can get free baggage, check baggage for free. >> jeanine: or use it as a weapon. >> jesse: don't steal the baggage. >> jessica: i think we saved the airline industry. one more thing is up next. ♪ ♪ through the pandemic, innovation refunds could qualify it for a payroll tax refund of up to $26,000 per employee, even if you got ppp. and all it takes is eight minutes to find out. then we'll work with you to fill out your forms and submit the application.

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jesse. take your time. >> jesse: the latest fox news book. by our very own harris faulkner. now number one on "the new york times" list. congrats. buy at anywhere where books are sold. she will be having a book signing broadcast live tonight at 6:00 p.m. eastern. also, attend my show at 7:00. uncle sam versus the ayatollah. my unique look at u.s. men's soccer. you will not hear this anywhere else. >> greg: all right, up next tonight, emily compagno, charlie hurt. you are going to love this one. what is this tiny dog barking at? i'm going to roll this. there you go. he's barking. judge, what is he barking at? >> jeanine: you. >> greg: jessica, i guess.

>> jessica: tv. >> dana: soccer match? >> greg: let's roll it. did anybody guess this? [dog barking] [laughter] it doesn't end there. that's an elephant, jessica. god, i knew you hated republicans. yeah, that is a bad dog. all right, judge. >> jeanine: thank you. today is giving tuesday. that means it is time to give back. one charity that is very near and dear to my heart is california rescue. members of the carolina pool rescue. and then that is style on her birthday. there she is on the left. he was a prince. they have seen many dogs come with various illnesses because the economy is so bad, people are unable to care from them. their mission is to rehabilitate, offer permanent

sanctuary, permanent homes as they did with me. if you want to take part, check out their website, carolinapoodlerescue.org. >> greg: dana, is that you? >> dana: i have this. it does not have music anymore, but anyway, the u.s. men's soccer team was not the only one playing soccer today. check out this goalie. very good. not going to get past him. absolutely not. >> jesse: that's amazing. >> dana: pretty good looking, right? >> jeanine: oh, look at that. >> greg: this is proving your point, that this is more exciting. >> jesse: i agree. >> greg: send your letters to jesse. >> jeanine: that is fantastic. >> jessica: women now outnumber men in the new york philharmonic. now the majority by 55-45.

it is a far cry from 1842 when women were discouraged from even attending without a male escort. 45-44 -- one more women than men. it's exciting your gender equality. i knew you would say something crappy about that. >> greg: i don't keep score. >> jeanine: i think it's wonderful. >> jessica: what did you think i said? >> jesse: that's it for us. >> great to see you. good evening, i am trace gallagher for bret baier. just how much authority the president has. more protests and reaction in china over covid-19 rules. i am the man they call captain america leads the u.s. to a huge win at the world cup. ♪ ♪ but first, b