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elon musk going up against some of the most powerful forces in the country, taking on the democrat establishment, its media enforcers, and silicon valley in the fight for free speech. the white house's warning that it is keeping a "close eye" on twitter. >> are you concerned -- more and more subscribers online -- are you concerned about that, and what tools do you have, who is it at the white house that is really keeping track of this? >> this is something that we are keeping an eye on. we have always been very clear that when it comes to social media platforms, it is their responsibility to make sure that when it comes to misinformation, the hate we are seeing, that they take action, continue to take action. we are all keeping a close eye

on this. >> emily: maybe that's because musk says he will really something that will -- including the censorship of the hundred item laptop story. "soon to be published on twitter itself. the public deserves to know what really happened." elon musk also says that stakes are high for the country, tweeting "this is a battle for the future of civilization. if free speech is lost even in america, tierney is all that lies ahead." mr. vice president, is elon musk's right? >> carley: i think he is exactly right -- >> vice president pence: i think he is exactly right. the foundation of this country's freedom, and freedom of the press -- bold work of why this nation is extraordinary and exceptional. to see in the white house press room the suggestion that the president of the united states is keeping a close eye on any

element of the media is deeply offensive to me. your job in the media to keep an eye on -- elected officials. i was governor, eventually vice president -- as you suggest, i think it may well be because elon musk, who i came to know very well in the four years of the trump/pence administration -- i think he's finally able to release information about the hunter biden story, and as i write my autobiography "was a disgrace -- "in my autobiography "so help me god," it was a disgrace. emails were revealed, and social platforms including twitter suppressed access to this news story, that was deeply offensive to me. twitter was not the only one, but the fact that they are going to come out with this

information, i have to believe that some of the people walking around in the west wing, one of the reasons why they are keeping a close eye. >> emily: sir, what role do you see the government playing in this, if any at all? >> vice president pence: i think it's important that we recognize that even in a free society, you are not free to yell fire in a crowded theater. there are basic elements, basic requirements of maintaining the debate, and twitter is about that. they have reaffirmed their commitment to that. i have great confidence in that. we always err on the side of freedom and freedom of speech. for heaven sakes, we are on the cusp of a heroic person named jim eli -- facing a trial in hong kong for sandy for freedom of speech and freedom of the press. we ought to be sending a deafening message for support

for that man and the stance he has taken, and ought to be pushing back on any rhetoric in a public debate that would send a message other than that we believe in freedom of speech. >> emily: martha, the vice president brings up hong kong, a territory of china. critics argue that no more entity has been -- of their censorship, a cog in the wheel or the actual proxy they on the apple itself, and in that showdown between apple and twitter, to the tune of $40 million worth of ad revenue per year. where do you see that going? >> i think it's fascinating when you see what's happening in china, you see people standing up for freedom. i want to say about elon musk, aunt -- first of all mr. vice president, great to have you today, thank you for your service to this country over all of the years that you have served. elon musk is a fascinating character in the history of this country. you look at what he has done

with rockets to space, electric vehicles. he's pushing the envelope, he likes failure, likes it when things don't work because you -- what you learn when you fail over and over again. the great documentary about spacex, which really shows how dedicated he is. i don't think he's going away from this fight anytime soon, and i think you are right. i think it strikes fear in the hearts of a lot of people in washington and some of the media, that he will allow light to be shown. it's funny that they white house is keeping an eye on twitter, a private company. substitute other media organizations for the word twitter in the organization -- "we are keeping an eye on you, newspapers and media organizations." think about what rightful chill that sends down peoples spines. that's something we have to be cautious of. i think he's going to keep pressing, i think it's good for the process, and we had a lot of disinformation across twitter

when it came to covid, when it comes to gender surgery, all these things. there's a check on twitter. it's called commons. [laughter] when you post something, people weigh in and say "that's not true, you are lying, that's not factual." that is the forum, the town hall. i think the white house can relax and allow that process to play out, and let's see what elon musk -- wants to be able to unleash in terms of this forum. >> emily: that is such a great point, ainsley, that the public does it -- free speech, the beauty of it, is that your fellow americans get to weigh in. >> ainsley: and that is why elon said he wants it, wants that free form, public forum, the town square where everyone can weigh in. he's not a republican. he did endorse desantis pan wants him to run for president, but has voted for joe biden --

all democrats until recently, so he got this because he loves our country and loves that we have free speech. we are sitting on the sofa with the vice president of the united states of america. think about that. all of our backgrounds, where we came from -- i'm from south carolina. i would go to washington, d.c., stand in front of the white house, and take pictures with my family. next thing you know, we have an opportunity to go in the oval office, interview the president and vice president. we have a great country, it's a slippery slope. if we continue to not allow free speech, and we are seeing that happening little by little -- then we could end up like a china, like in iran, where you can't freely protest or you will get killed because you don't have your scarf on the right way. i don't know why everyone is so upset with elon, and why they want -- not buy twitter and are scared of what he's going to do.

he just wants free speech. but this is not a revolution. >> vice president pence: to martha's point if i may, i got to know elon musk well when i led the national space council, and we worked very closely with spacex. i was heartened when he got out his checkbook, $44 billion, and bought twitter. frankly, my impression of twitter always was, although i served in the white house for somebody that used twitter a fair amount. [laughter] every day. we access the american people very regularly, but i always had a sense, and i worry about the suppression of conservative voices, the suppression of conservative views in social media, including on twitter. not just the hunter biden story. i'm with you, i really do believe that elon musk's

politics are different than mine. i know him well enough to know his politics are different than mine on many issues, but he has a bias for freedom, for american innovation. >> you bring up a great point about the slippery slope, which is why this matters. last year it wouldn't karine jean-pierre so that the biden administration is working with social media companies to limit covid-19 misinformation -- so that's the government saying what is good and bad speech and talking to a social media company about it, which sounds a lot like a first amendment violation, this governance board that was disbanded -- and because of the intercept fund, reportedly found out that dhs still plans to go after covid misinformation, racial injustice, and information on the withdrawal from afghanistan. you think about what the dhs -- created after 9/11 to protect americans from terrorists. how did they become an

organization that is protecting americans or trying to censor some sort of speech? that's a really big slippery slope, so all of this matters. it's going to be a very interesting fight. elon musk is a very unique guy, but has powers against him including the government and apple as well. >> can't wait to see what he reveals periods >> emily: coming up , one state now taking action against tiktok, as concern over the social media platform's potentially massive threat to our national security. more on that next. okay everyone, our mission is complete balanced nutrition. together we support immune function. supply fuel for immune cells and sustain tissue health. ensure with twenty-five vitamins and minerals, and ensure complete with thirty grams of protein.

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tiktok, the threat to our national security. lawmakers on both sides of the aisle voicing concerns over the app's deep-rooted connection to china. they warn that it's being used as a massive surveillance tool for one of our biggest adversaries, and outcome of south dakota's republican governor christie nontaking action, signing an executive order that bans state employees and contractors from using the popular social media platform. they will no longer be able to download or use the app on estate devices. she says that her state law "have no part in the intelligence gathering operations of nations who hate the united states." the chinese communist party uses information that it gathers on tick-tock to manipulate the american people. they gather data off of the devices that access the platform. mr. vice president, what to think about this? on the one hand, this app is so popular. it's on the -- of every teenager in the market. on the other hand, you have christopher wray come of the fbi

director, saying that it does pose a national security threat. >> vice president pence: i will tell you one of the things that i'm probably most proud of tthe trump/pens administration -- the trump/pence demonstration. we not only saw that band of tiktok that i saw the senator recently say -- that we were right come but we really changed in international consensus about this other information technology platform. china has literally stolen hundreds of billions of dollars of intellectual property for the united states. worked against the interest of our economy. they have continued the aggressive behavior in the south china sea, the taiwan straits. and i want to commend my friend for her stand. i believe we've just got to recognize the real threat that tiktok poses to the protection

of privacy, the protection of intellectual property for americans, and we will continue to be a voice for that, but make no mistake: the penetration of the people's republic of china, communist china into the information technology of the wider world including through tiktok in the united states is very real. >> we know that china uses surveillance on its own people, particularly protesters. how do you feel about the current administration's response going on in china right now? >> vice president pence: silence is deafening. i was in the congress in 2009 when the green revolution happened in iran, and when barack obama refused to speak in favor of people who had taken to the streets in iran for their own freedom, their own democracy. i offered a resolution with a democrat in the congress, the late john mccain authored it with joe lieberman. we passed it unanimously.

two days later, finally, president obama spoke in favor of the people, the great revolution. it seemed like what happened in the obama/biden administration is happening now in the bid biden/harris administration. ostensibly, because of the lockdowns in china -- but what i am hearing and reading is that it's also people standing up for basic individual rights and freedom in china, and now more than ever, those people who are locked in that police state that is communist china, ought to know that from the president of the united states on down, we stand with freedom for people in china. >> martha: on tiktok, i think that's a colossal waste of time. i think when kids are spending hours on tiktok, so turn out a video -- i'm old-fashioned. parents taken away, saying i was reading time and you will read for half an hour before dinner. parents need to be active. you can ban it at the national

level, off of devices in south dakota, but i think parents need to get their arms around it for laying down the law. >> thank you for the reminder. [laughter] there is so much going on in china, whether it's tiktok, the protests. you also have apple possibly limiting this drop box the protesters were using. what do you think? >> ainsley: even when you have that demonstration -- we start thinking that if they are stealing from us, spying on us, we have a problem. we can't let our guards down. we have to protect our country. same thing is happening in our border. we know that almost 100 people on the terrorist watch list were stopped on the border. how many more got through? we have to pay attention to china, what's happening at our border to keep us safe.

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citizen of the world about his political -- about is political. do i like them being enrolled in controversies? of course not. a negative impact on our company, and to the extent that i can work to quiet things down, i'm going to do that. >> mr. vice president, we go to disney to watch how children laugh, have brightness with cinderella -- breakfast with cinderella or whatever it is. do politics belong and disney, or do you go to disney to get lectured or have fun? [laughter] >> vice president pence: we loaded the kids in the minivan, made the long drive from indianapolis down to disney. [laughter] >> martha: i'm sure the car ride was not fun. [laughter] >> vice president pence: we want to get a picture with the mouse. >> ainsley: did you wear mouse ears? >> vice president pence: i did not. at least with no photographs. [laughter] it is -- fun. disney world, once called the happiest place on earth.

i welcome back bob iger. my hope is that he will steer disney back from its core business, which is reflecting the common values, the aspiration, and really family-oriented entertainment. we all have different values in this company, we are entitled to those values and beliefs, but, those things that are most dear to us, let's let families work those issues out. let's respective families ability to convey their faith, their values. let's just be able to enjoy the mouse. that's my aspiration, and my hope is that disney will learn some hard lessons from its last recent years and get back to their core business which has come up her generation great source of not only entertainment, but fun for families. >> you are about to find out to

lower the prices of the tickets. [laughter] carley is having a baby in two months. what do you think about this? >> carley: i remember earlier this year when disney announced that they were going to be changing the grading from ladies and gentlemen boys and girls to "hello dreamers" in an effort to be more inclusive. what's wrong with the original? how is that not inclusive? that is the kind of stuff -- parents, everybody rolled their eyes. i just think we have learned that when companies become too political and woke day -- out of a lot of money. espn executives even said that political hurt their bottom line, so now disney is learning that lesson. >> ainsley: i'm glad you brought that up. martha ... mike stocks down 40%, one of the worst in the dow for 2022. "strange word," that movie bombed. is this about the money? do you think bob iger is being

smart? >> martha: absolutely. in this country, we forget the mission of institutions, whether it's schools, education. the reason they brought bob iger back and the reason he wants to come back is because he wants to protect the brand he built. this is a great american brand, and they are beholden to shareholders. the mission for an american corporation is to provide value for their shareholders, to be successful, to hire a lot of people, to keep them employed because you have a thriving, successful business. it's not to preach to your customers. it's not to hammer them over the head and tell them the way they are supposed to think about something. i think there has been a disintegration of disney for a very long time. i go back to "beauty and the beast," some of those beautiful stories, and you can see the progression of what they are trying to do over time, and i think bob iger is there to turn this into a money maker again. if you keep the focus on that and please the people who are customers, whether it's in the movie theater or --

>> vice president pence: i love how you said that, institutions, even the military, the pentagon, corporate america. what is heartening to me about this though, and -- it's the impact on their stock or the box office. the antidotes to woke america is america, the american people voting with their pocketbooks, with their feet. looks like they have this -- all is good. >> emily: they have lost sight of who they are paying customer was, and they paid -- at the box office tax exempt status that they enjoyed for 50 years. that is on their shoulders. now, bob iger trying to restore it, but he himself said that they wanted to include it in that mission. frankly, a lot of departure from simply getting back to creating magic in the kingdom for families. i think it is interesting, and a typical liberal hypocrisy that this entire time as they have been lecturing us and telling parents how to train or educate

their children, instead have been expanding into anti-gay -- and anti-cotton -- exploring concentration camps, such as in "moulin." >> ainsley: coming up, dramatic team win in the world cup. how they won this highly politicized matchup next.

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>> emily: team usa. the u.s. defeated around in a highly politicized matchup, advancing to the knockout stage of the world cup. take a look at the dramatic moment everyone is talking about, when christian pulisic scored america's one and only goal. >> just making run, down the

middle! he scores! might have paid the price, but the u.s. takes the lead! >> emily: the stuff of history. because of the on-field collision, he had to be taken to the hospital after the game, but he's making it clear from his hospital bed, as you see that he is ready to take on the netherlands in their world cup match saturday. mr. vice president, this wasn't so much more than a game. >> vice president pence: it took on enormous dimensions. i want to commend team usa. i was incredibly proud. what an incredible moment, and i am not into soccer. [laughter] i am from indiana. soccer -- the last 10-15 years, but i've got to tell you, it was really exciting, and to see that, now made it at the next level. karen and i have a great privilege when i was vice president united states at the olympics.

in seoul, south korea. there was a fair amount of politics being played there and -- and sent his sister to south korea before the games. i write about it in my book. it was a memorable moment. i think not just having a victory, but also continuing to draw a bright line between the freedom we enjoy in the united states, the tyranny of -- in iran, to put a bow on that with a team usa victory. >> emily: and you are absolutely right, because that tierney was on the world stage. there are reports that the iranian general has acknowledged that more than 300 people have been killed in a current protest. we have -- they could face fines or even a rest for their betrayal for failing to defeat the enemy on the world stage, which might be a part why iranians themselves were cheering for the united states to win.

>> >> vice president pence: and that is heartening to me. their people -- as we talked about earlier, and under the trump/pentz administration, we isolated them as never before. i cannot for the life of me understand why this administration, why president biden is re-engaging around, trying to open the iranian nuclear deal, and sending me signals to the wider world that will -- in that country. we have to continue to send a message to people in iran that we are with you and spirits. seeing the way iranians cheer through that american victory -- told you just how many people in that oppressed nation long through that era of freedom. >> emily: and as the vice president lays out, it is so clear -- why is it that this administration has such a hard

time standing on that bright line? >> it is not complicated for many of the iranian people. saw tears streaming down their faces. they love their country. they are great people, they have an incredible history of persian culture in iran. they are very proud people, and they are being oppressed. the people who have lost their lives in these protests are standing up for freedom. they don't want us anywhere near that nuclear deal. they don't want money going there, so it's a little tricky to figure out why this is so complicated for the lighthouse. seems like it ought to be really clear: if you speak about freedom in this country and the threat to democracy, which we have heard so much about heading into them are in top -- midterms, you ought to speak loudly and clearly about it when it comes to iran and china. >> emily: which fifa seems to do, no problem standing at the protesters, removing the emblem from the flag, but the

administration fails to do anything. >> martha: when it comes to that nuclear deal, if iran wants a deal and our ally, israel did, does not, it's difficult to side with a country that is not our greatest -- in the middle east. when it comes to soccer, when i first found out that the united states and iran were in the same groups i thought it would be this miracle on ice moment. then, as the tournament played out and you did see the players protesting their own government, fiercely rooting for team usa, there is the pan of them mouthing the national anthem. being forced to do it. you just feel for them. they are young and talented. you think about their futures, what it's like to be them and have to go home to a country that is threatening their families. i guess my overall feeling as he win the lottery by being born in this country.

>> i'm happy for the usa but sent for the iranian players. to your point, when you watch them in that video and you know that they are being forced to say it now, the other game they did not say it. their families are being threatened for torture. what if they have a 10-year-old child, a baby? what happens to their families, their moms, their dads who are so proud of their kids for being on this national team member for sending their country? you are right. i am so happy that we won, but this is another reason why freedom works and wins. >> emily: perfect way to end the segment. you can catch team usa's game against the netherlands this saturday at 9:00 a.m. eastern on the fox broadcast network. coming up, former vice president mike pence on his new book "so help me god." ♪ ♪

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>> president biden under fire for a tepid response to covid protests in china. why is he standing up more forcefully for freedom? virginia senator mark warner joins us.

investigations on the student orders in idaho. she will give us her thoughts. mike pompeo -- challenging randi weingarten to a debate. why does he consider her the most dangerous person in america? he will be here to tell us. senator lindsey graham on why apple is kowtowing to the communist regime in china. john roberts, sandra and i -- we will see what the top of the hour for "america reports." is end ♪ ♪ >> in his new book "so help me god," the former vice president mike pence tells the story of his journey from childhood in columbus, indiana, to the vice presidency of the united states. he also gives us an insight book of the trump administration from his unique perspective, discussing the highlights of his time in the white house, as well as the profound faith that guided him through it all.

mr. vice president, so good to have you here. i have about 35 questions for you. [laughter] i think one of the first ones i want to ask you to use what's on everyone's mind? this is a foundation for people understanding you and your life. we often see books, from people who are saying "i want to be president of the united states." my first question is do you want to be president of the united states? >> vice president pence: i would say no more and no less than any other kid who grew up with -- in his backyard. i can tell you that public service animated my youth as i write about in my book, the opportunity i had to represent my hometown of congress, the governor of indiana, and ultimately serve as he was vice president. karen and i will take time over the holidays. we have two in the military, so between deployments, our kids have not been in indiana for the last three years together, so we will take time to reflect,

deliberate. we are going to make a decision about what this calling is, but i promise to keep -- >> martha: but when you have that discussion, what is on the table in terms of how viable that run is? what would your argument be for it being viable? >> vice president pence: for me, it's always been about calling. as i read in the book, my first few campaigns for congress, which i lost -- when while reagan was in the white house -- i let my ambition overrun my values. i had accepted christ as a freshman in college, and -- living out my faith, calling in public service. i set that aside. i regretted that, but when it came back around a decade later in 2,000, we tried to simply respond to what the calling was in our life. we did not think hard about the

odds. we thought about the cause, and something that we would contribute uniquely to that that we felt called to do. that is what led us to run for congress, for governor, and lead us to join the ticket in 2016, just a sense of calling. that's what we will try to discern at this time in our lives, not only talking to kids, but talking to friends. as i traveled across the country in the last few years, listening to the american people, high-level ronald reagan said one time. he said "the american people have a funny way of living you know if they want you to be president." left her neck so we will be listening to people around the country, hopefully following that. >> >> martha: how do you know? he wanted to ask you a question about your faith. how do you know that's god calling you? everywhere you go, people love you, democrats love you because you are nice, wholesome, a good

person who does the right thing, and you are honest. they might not like your politics, but they like who you are and your character. how do you decipher if they are saying "i like you," or "we want you to run it" i'm obviously not a politician and have never been through that, so how do you know that's your calling or what you're supposed to do? >> vice president pence: i have a fundamental distrust of my own ambition. i write about that in the book. my own ambition has caught me up in political decisions that i regretted very early in my career. also very wary of praise. the bible says "a man is tested by the praise of his peers." we get a fair amount of it though on both sides. [laughter] you can go to twitter or anywhere else. don't look at my name, because you will find a wide range of opinions. for me, it more comes down to -- when karen and i will sort

through, pray for you, try and discern. the engine question: is there not a cause? i do believe that the opportunities that i have had to serve, relationships i've been able to build among congress, my time as vice president of the united states have been such a privilege for me. what will try to discern is whether there is a role for us to play. all i believe -- i believe that the american people long for leadership in 2024 that you don't make could unite the country around our highest ideals, but i could take us back to the policies that worked in the trump/pentz administration that i chronicle in great detail, and our country, making it stronger, more prosperous, our liberties more secure than ever before. i also believe that people i've been hearing from around the

country want to see us get back to the civility, the respect that the american people show up one another every day. once you get a little bit out of politics as i have been in the last two years, you realize that while our politics are divided, not sure that the american people are as divided as our politics. people of all kinds of different views find a way to get along in this country just about every day in business, work, worship. if we see a place in that where we can offer that new brand of leadership that is still grounded in that conservative agenda, we will not hesitate. >> martha: will god made it crystal clear for you to be vice president when the plane broke down in the present got to know you. [laughter] speak of speak of vice president you mentioned this title and your testimony as well as esteemed service to the white house. tell us about how this title plays a theme in the book.

>> vice president pence: the oath of office i took as vice president, governor and the congressman -- is to support and defend the constitution of the united states. i sought to do that every day. i prayed for the grace to do that every day, but that also ends with a prayer. history records that it was when george washington took the first oath of office as president that he out of the four words "so help me god," and ever since, it's been a part of that oath of office. as we came to the end of the book and thought about the role, my decision to put my faith in jesus christ, and it's played a role in my family -- we have tried to play out that faith in our public life. it seemed like that title lend itself to the cover, because it spoke of the oath we took, and oath i sought to keep all the way to the end of my service.

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