♪ ♪ >> emily: hello, everyone this is "outnumbered" and i am here with emily compagno, harris faulkner and joining us carley shimkus, dagen mcdowell m pete hegseth. we begin with yet another major setback with a massive student loan handheld. the supreme court said the biden

administration's program to cancel student loan debt remains blocked for now while agreeing to take up the case in february. that just as likely will not issue an opinion until june around the time the pause on loan repayment set to expire. six conservative states have called the power grab are going to the president overstepped his legal authority with a massive handout. "the wall street journal" editorial board writing, "now you will hear the merits of one of the most consequential cases on the separation of power in american history. if a president can burden taxpayers to the tune of $420 billion with clumsy illegal rationale and without the consent of congress, we are close to government and america's founders with the constitution to avoid." pete hegseth i don't think anyone could have phrased it better. >> pete: the whole article is worth reading. it was cynical from the beginning. joe biden and the democrats got out of it what they wanted out of it, which was a political

benefit going into the midterms elections. so it should be deemed unconstitutional, which it will be especially by this court. thank you donald trump for the justices that are there. and actually this is a favor to the administration. and already a disaster and i don't know who will qualify for or how it will be paid for. hopefully, the supreme court does the right thing and expedited fashion but they extended loan forgiveness and do not have to pay back until june. this will be coordinated this will be found unconstitutional. >> emily: harris, as pete hegseth pointed out the greatest exercise of all time. >> harris: you know it is complicated about this is all of the excitement on the left, bernie sanders saying we will not get the youth vote and this drove a lot of the youth vote going to the polls, right? now they will just not trust because they know they have been duped. that the president started backing up at this within seconds of november 8th. and has had to continue to do that. he had to known and surrounded

by lawyers, he had to have known this was not going to happen. so if he intentionally did it for the political reasons you were saying, what else can you trust as a young voter, potentially may be voting for the first time in a midterm election? a general election. what does that say about our ability to reach the people who count? do we just lied to them, do we buy votes? what does that say to them and you were reaching people who may not vote again. they will not trust. >> pete: hopefully they don't trust democrats again. >> harris: fortunately, it is the process they look at and what you are saying is true, but a broken promise hurts everybody across the board because it is a group of people who are planning their future and they are working on their american dream for the very first time. so yeah, they may and hopefully they look at who caused the problem, but sometimes it is across the board and good. >> emily: two harris'

excellent point, carley, no such power and invested no such power in the executive authority to forgive all of the debt as did speaker, former speaker pelosi. let's watch her as a flashback where she conforms to the world that "no, the power don't make the president does not have the power to forgive. speak with the people think the president of the united states have the power for debt forgiveness. he does not. he can postpone. he can delay, but he does not have that power. that is not even a discussion that not everybody realizes that. >> emily: carley, that has been called the greatest constitutional trick of the ages, but the rub is as harris pointed out we knew it from the beginning. so all it is is a colossal waste of time to the tune potentially of that vote buying which has a real impact on democracy. speak with the president is calling debt forgiveness and its not, buying folks but not with his money.

it is not with donor's money. it is with everybody's money. listen to nancy pelosi. the president doesn't have the constitutional authority to forgive debt that takes to congress. my prediction is this will get struck down by the supreme court and will delay the payments until, oh, maybe november 2,024th. the other thing is this is extremely unfair. and i don't need to say it. we've been over it before. but what about the student who didn't go to college and went to trade school instead, bought a truck or paying money to loan a truck. who is paying his loans? when it comes to the president's economic policy, it is like such a circle where he says, "welcome inflation is high and we need to do these large programs and forgive debt." that increases inflation as well so none of this makes sense. >> emily: xs and os, dakin with economic spirits before it is more burdensome than that.

because just the moratorium on making student loan payments, that is inflationary. so that causes the federal reserve to have to raise interest rates even more and to fight the inflation. so the person buying or leasing the new truck has to pay a much higher payment every month while rich people are not making the student loan payments. and so, today, president biden is talking about, "oh, the rich are doing just fine." because they don't have to make the student loan payments. half of all student that is held by the 13% of americans with graduate degrees, doctors, lawyers and people with nbas investment bankers and the like because unlike the debt forgiveness, which has an income cap, this moratorium on making student loan payments has

no income cap rate it has been going on for 33 months. in addition, it is not just the payments. there was no interest accruing on the loan. so, there will never be interest paid over this early two months and counting. so, what does that do? when you refer a loan with no interest on it, interest accruing, it is declining in real value because of the inflation rate. so, that is called inflating your way out of that debt. this is nothing but a hand out. so, it is already -- it is literally canceled about 100 -- just so far, about $150 billion in student debt that is canceled. that is more by the taxpayers. >> harris: can i have a quick follow-up on that? is this anything like the zero interest loans that got us in so much trouble in real estate industry? where you talk about the devaluation of the loan and how much trouble that put us in? when you take away the interest

and you take away the accountability and the responsibility to pay off those loans. >> dagen: indirectly because those loans were -- if they were backed by the government, then it was indirectly. but those loans were made by private entities basically. >> harris: that is true. >> dagen: one other thing, the reason i expect joe biden extent at this moratorium on making student loan payments through the middle of next year as this heads to the high court and decision on actual debt forgiveness. because if he hadn't extended it, all of these people with student debt would have started making their payments again. and there was no hardship them. you wouldn't have to argue hardship of the high court. people making their payments, there would be no argument on scotus you need to forgive because i can't make their payments, right? >> emily: exactly the barrage

of this administration the progressive left the local young voters and the backbone of america blue-collar workers in earnest parents putting their kids in school. >> pete: it worked for them politically. that to me will be the biggest takeaway for them, not the consequences you laid out so well. but instead, buying votes as effective. let's try it another way next time. >> emily: >> emily: 2024 will be different. air marshals fighting back against a biden administration order to get off of planes and down to the border. a move they say could push airline security to dangerous levels. that is next. ♪ ♪w inspections. no upfront costs at all to get the cash you need. veterans get more at newday. my a1c stayed here, it needed to be here. ray's a1c is down with rybelsus®.

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border crisis could affect the safety of americans are brought on planes. have you heard the latest move? fedhundreds of air marshals with mutiny in reaction to mandatory department deployment. it is an order from the biden administration that would film them off commercial flights and send them to the southern border. a place he, himself, has not gone, the president. marshals refused could lose their jobs. but the union says, this is all about fire safety. the head of an air marshals union speaking with carley earlier this week. warning of the danger of another 9/11 if the air marshals are not on board of those flights. a watch. speak with the messages clearly, let's stop another 9/11. we are extremely concerned. there have been numerous incidents within the last two weeks, level 4 threat which means someone tried to breach a cockpit two days ago on a

southwest flight. so the messages served, please replace the air marshals on the border. stop taking them out of the skies and let them do the job they are trained to do. we have been decimated, depleted and 100% flights ground-based duties they are pulling us out of the sky to go to the border are just demolishing our chances of stopping another 9/11. >> harris: okay, this is really heartbreaking that we are not respected enough as american citizens that we would have thought this. the department of homeland security is pushing back. the spokesperson told fox news that is, "the suggestion flights are being left unprotected is completely false. tsa takes the responsibility to secure the skies for the traveling public very closely." tsa is not employing the air marshals. that is like saying it is raining but you say, "i love snow." >> pete: it is completely faults brought to you by the same department that says the border is completely secure.

take it for what it is worth. the deterrence effect -- you don't even think about. this story popped up and you don't think about air marshals. but the fact that one or two or 3% of the flights, there might be someone who can take somebody down as a real thing. while we have a order with people entering it and have no idea who they are. who can potentially get on a plane. and the administration thinks deploying people from their and other departments down to the border rather than letting the border patrol agents actually do their job is an absolute upside down world that i hope this union fights as hard as they can with their representation. it shouldn't happen. >> harris: so pete, does this mean the department of homeland security will call all those who want to go to the border? >> pete: >> pete: it doesn't seem so. >> harris: remember that? >> pete: the department of education, you want to come to the border? they are bringing people into process and not securing the border but process. >> harris: emily.

>> emily: they are not even processing it here they are hall monitors and essentially to monitor a cafeteria. they need more parties down there. it is a front to highly specialized air marshals specialized in care owner terrorism and transportation security. we will ask them to escort somebody to the southern border? and they are called newton list? you said how administration doesn't respect americans to keep the air marshals and i completely agree and they don't respect the air marshals enough to have them do highly specialized -- there is a reason when you go to the orthodontist the orthodontist is a specialized thing in your mouth. >> harris: and it is not me doing it. >> emily: you get cleaned by the tech. your money pays for whatever the specialized training is. you expect and invest in whatever the specialized training is. you know what 1970, 1985, 2001 have in common? the air marshals were not on the plains. your interview and the head of that union, she is absolutely

right. tsa is absolutely wrong. this administration is doing anything but securing americans on those flights while they hall monitor the southern border. be one so you want to know where the republican start. i have been saying this all week when they take over the majority of the house. it will remain close even if they win or don't win georgia so there is a fight going on in the senate. you want to know where they will start, you can bet that where we'll be there. lindsey graham on "the faulkner focus" and iran, well, let him say it. >> if you are a border administration, if they are seeing human trafficking at a level i have never seen. they were overwhelmed with illegal immigrants coming in. people on the terrace watch list are going right through. biden has rendered the border. >> harris: dagen. >> dagen: no one wants to be a border agent, is that safe? how hard you were doing the segment about suicides among border agents the last hour.

the only time that you have heard rage come out of biden and company directed with lies at the border agents on horseback. they are not angry about drownings, rapes, fentanyl poisoning the tracking of humans and drugs. they were angry at something that was a lie that the pedal to the american people. this one, the air marshals national council president, david, said this redeployment of air marshals to the border relief 99% of all commercial flights without an air marshals. >> harris: and a time america will fly forward in the holiday season. >> dagen: it is not just the potential for terrorists incidents. it is unrelated passengers. 21, over 2100 report so far this

year of -- almost 22, that is on flight attendants and fellow passengers to protect people on planes. we all deserve better and we deserve air marshals. >> emily: i remember talking about this because this is an unbelievable miss u.s. of air marshals and trained in counterterrorism. they are handing out water bottles at the southern border right now. and these are the numbers. there used to be before they were getting sent to the border air marshals on 5% of planes, which has i think stunningly low as it is and dagen, 1%. my question is where is pete buttigieg on this? it is not like air travel got sleep overnight. it feels like we are playing with fire when it comes to the southern border and air travel is welcome a 73,000 known got a november alone. i mean, think about how many people were caught on the terror watch list.

>> harris: that we know web. >> carley: could there be somebody in the country right now that gets on a plane and wants to do something really bad. it is hypothetical but shouldn't be our responsibility to worry about those things to the federal government. >> harris: every time we get that terror watch list commit more than doubles. where they all in one room and suddenly the government says, oh. you serve this nation. what goes through your mind? 9/11 and the situation, we are down to 1% with marshall's flying. >> pete: how quickly and easily you can lose your vigilance and forget about a persistent threat. that thread is even more right as it has ever been. and more defenseless. the department of homeland security after 9/11 and we are more defenseless now than we were then question market is an application of leadership and national security and that is what you see from biden. >> harris: the latest on the recruitment battle.

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speed to the pentagon a major recruitment issue and partly because many americans are losing faith in the military. a recent survey from the ronald reagan institute reveals the alarming trend. it finds trust in the nation's military is down to just 48%, a shocking drop from 70% in 2018. 62% of people said the change is because leadership has become too politicized and woke practices ways and on the perception of our armed forces. 50% say the push to decrease incompetence in the military in a major way and therefore, we have 6% of americans that say they are willing to serve and 7% that say that they are extremely

willing to serve. hegseth, indeed, it alarming but a clear and direct reason why. >> pete: absolutely. people see precisely what is going on. first word you can say is afghanistan. so, what happens in a debacle in afghanistan occurs, no one is held accountable. it is an utter failure and you want to say to your sons and daughters to execute like that? on top of the vaccine mandates and the political correctness and social injustice infected the top of the pentagon. lloyd austin is a joke. he is not a military leader. he has no background being a good one. he is interested in engineering through social experiments. the military academy, the ads, the military training. so a lot of the military as a family business. my grandpa serve, dad served commit his legacy in the first time we have seen a lot of families i don't know if i want my family to go into family business.

just like cops or firefighters, you create a culture about politics or something other than killing and closing the enemy. people will second-guess it. serving in the military is willing to put your life on the line. you also have to be taught to love your country and serve your country. and the schools are not doing that today. >> emily: if secretary pompeo spoke with legacy families who said, "i don't want my children to go to the academy from even though i am the third generation to do so." my friends serving us federal agencies the majority of the communication from their bosses it's about diversity and inclusion and about politically correct things. we are trying to be politically correct. we are trained in anything but performing our duties to be war fighters. >> harris: we are losing what it is to be america in the sense how people want us to fight for them. my dad fought commit was about love of country. this country was in the '60s in vietnam and a tough time to be a person of color at that

time to be a black american. but he would tell all of my relatives and i was too young to remember but obviously he would tell me this as we got older. this is the best country on the planet. you better let the because other people areo fight you for it. i'm willing to fight for this country because i love america and she has more potential than any other place on the planet. i've always had that instilled in me. i will ask you something though. i wrote face "faith still moves mountains" he led the troops with faith in his heart. he would get together with chaplains and right before the battle of the bulge. we talked about battles that change this world in terms of the workforce. i am curious with all that we are going through right now, can you imagine if that would be allowed now? if anybody found out that george patton had a prayer card. >> pete: the military unit chaplains and other religious

aspects being phased or pushed out and marginalized. the same example, dwight eisenhower wrote two letters on d-day. one worked and one didn't. one was a resignation letter. not a single general said, "maybe it is a good idea to step aside after troops killed and the debacle in afghanistan. we have a failure. >> harris: that is a good one. >> pete: they were effective in politicians and cater to the obama administration at the biden administration. those administrations got what they wanted. >> emily: a special note of gratitude for those continuing to serve in those positions despite all the pressure and former congressman doug collins sits with us on the couch a new jersey state police, those are men and leaders among us in faith and on the field that are persevering right at the top. >> dagen: this is fixable once you identify the problem went in the polls might do, mike gallagher said post-vietnam

era, the military went through something similar. and i think about where i grew up surrounded by the norfolk, virginia, air station. the seymour air force and fort bragg, surrounded by people who dedicated their time in their lives to serving and protecting this nation. with all of these people moving to those parts of the united states does the mind-set change with families and begin to build new legacies in our military. >> pete: real leadership. the only difference between the '60s, dissatisfied with their service. but now you have all volunteer force. people stop raising their hand or not capable of it. we have a real problem. a top-down institution that can change. >> dagen: i regret that i didn't in times square. >> pete: you are still fine. be to absolutely end to that point, the reason i did

air force rotc in colleges because that's how my father, and all around my house we celebrated our history. we celebrated america history around the globe. it was never lost. never a doubt in our family. i could not imagine that claimant now. >> carley: you know, what is stunning to me how this is surface academy in west point and pushing critical race theory on cadets. there are lessons modern-day slavery in america. and last year told congress he wants to understand white race. so would've clear given this poll that americans are aware of this and they don't like it because they see it as political and divisive. it is divisive. modern-day slavery in america, that sounds like something our enemies would spread about us. >> harris: they are! >> carley: the unfortunate thing is it is coming within. no place more important than to preach level of country than a surface academy. unfortunately, it may be happening in some areas but others they are undercutting the

message as well. >> emily: if i remember correctly, today is the day that the air force is unveiling the new next-generation of the b-2 bomber f71 or whatever it is. it looks like a b-2 bomber but even cooler and nowhere whatever to the tune of 320 and plot and $329 billion. who do we want flying it? something for the government or someone who is going to war to battle -- >> pete: the most qualified person regardless of color and skin. >> emily: meghan markle boarding a private jet again even after her and harry's talk. that is next. ♪ ♪

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♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> carley: i'm digging this vibe. raquel! president biden expected to meet with the prince and princess of wales this afternoon in boston. william and kate stateside for the first time since 2014 on their first international trip since the death of queen elizabeth ii and september. now, they took a commercial flight to boston to promote a climate prize but all of that is overshadowed by the other royal couple meghan and harry the duchess of sussex is getting cold out after she was spotted with yet another private jet in indianapolis and a female empowerment conference. despite the claimant activism, this is the couples pledged at zero emissions by 2030. prince harry gave this dire warning at the united nations earlier this year.

>> this has been a painful year and a painful decade. climate change wreaking havoc on our planet with the most vulnerable suffering to all. our world is on fire. in this crisis will only grow unless our leaders lead. >> carley: emily, meghan markle got out of the suv and then boarded a private jet. she is the climate girl. >> emily: this is pete buttigieg getting the photo of his bike getting out of his suv, did you get the picture? but it strikes me especially in contrast with will and kate. remember that couple spidey, heidi and spencer? they were so thirsty for commercial coverage, so thirsty for likes and the popularity. they immerse themselves in procedures but also market themselves everywhere.

if you guys, we will be at the gas station in 20 minutes and take our picture. that is what we are getting, slime associated in addition to hypocrisy from that couple. and again, stark contrast to will and kate who walk the walk, we will fly commercial, guys. we walk the walk. >> harris: if they fly commercial, we will have to get air marshals on the plains. >> dagen: i like how emily compared royals, if you will commit to these as has-beens from the hill. that is pretty much how i feel about the entire -- i just never, my mother was like, why would you ever spend a minute thinking about wanting to be someone because they have a tro on their head or because of the ban on their arm? but i can say, you know what, welcome to america. at least you are not prince andrew. you are slightly less odious

than that scumbag. >> carley: harris -- >> harris: you want me to follow that? >> carley: we can pivot, harris. the foundation released a statement and talking about harry and meghan are leading the way towards a sustainable future and becoming that zero in 2030. that really is what the elitist climate change, a change in behavior, you do it so i don't have to. >> harris: well, yes and about the clicks and the attention. they are not addicted to saving the planet. they are addicted to the attention. look, there was a little bit of clap back too. the coronation for the king -- i just don't believe in coincidences, may become i don't know may 6th. that is harry's birthday. i mean, it has been a bumpy relationship to watch from across the pond. now that it is here, why wouldn't it be like donkey kong.

these couples will not be out the way they were the fab 4 at the funeral of the queen, which was very beautiful. look what she did for seven decades? that is not for these people at least look like they are going to be. i don't spend a lot of time thinking about it because, it doesn't affect my world that we have two more hypocrites on the climate change. >> carley: what do you think about that? >> pete: whatever happened to heidi and spencer? >> carley: they are still out there. >> harris: with all the work they do? >> pete: that is true, i don't know. they want to get to net zero by 2030? they have to stop opening their mouth. [laughter] >> carley: pollution. [laughter] >> pete: you know what i mean. and i want to like william and kate because of devotion to the tradition of the monarchy. they are a soft version of clas.

>> harris: queen victoria married her first cousin and some of my family can probably relate to that. [laughter] >> carley: a little bit of history and dagen's family as well. southern royals. we will be right back in case you missed it. ♪ ♪ okay everyone, our mission is complete balanced nutrition. together we support immune function. supply fuel for immune cells and sustain tissue health. ensure with twenty-five vitamins and minerals, and ensure complete with thirty grams of protein.

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>> president biden touting his strong jobs number but doesn't mean inflation will be with us longer. what about the president's claim regarding wage increase? larry kudlow to break it all down for you this afternoon. the chinese government using tiktok to influence the election. michael what's a steamed about that and he is here. kellyanne conway with biden to shake up the primary schedule. katie pavlich on the georgia runoff and soccer extraordinaire brian kilmeade. john roberts and jacqui heinrich to join us with "american reports." we will see you then. ♪ ♪ >> harris: i have some famous friends, too.

carley, pete, dagen. shocking video out of pay alto and stormed a store and made of $30,000 of merchandise. the store staff and customers back as they tried to stop the criminals. you know what that is dangerous stuff to do. i know they mean well, pete. >> pete: what do you expect? we are at this point because security can't intervene because security is more likely to face consequences than the shoplifters are. and the police are not ever present. a customer stepping in, you will do is get your face smacked and to what end? this is how things cascade when lawlessness is allowed to continue. >> harris: so, dagen, do we go to the point where the stores absorb so people don't have to fight them off? we are doing that in some sectors appearance before they do it all the time. my cds across the street where i live, the employees are told,

"do not let people steal." i see people still everyday when i go in there, for the most part. do not intervene or stop them. the target this year $600 million in stolen goods. but i watch that video more than once. i thought, "you know, i have said this before, i carry a hammer sometimes around in my purse and it would hurt if i hit somebody in the face with my handbag." >> pete: you would get sued in that environment. >> dagen: yeah -- >> harris: i want to make mention because the viewers can hear it, a two-story elevator went up behind emily's head. emily, are you good? i didn't know if people at home could hear it. carley, what you make of this? >> carley: i see shoplifting at the drugstore is happening all the time. >> harris: you guys within the city. >> carley: yeah. recently, somebody stole a bunch of baby formula, which is like, you know, high quantity right now.

the cashiers was like, "he walked out of the store and he waited for the bus." he stopped at the bus stop and i was not worried that anybody would catch him, chase him or called the police. it is par for the course now. >> emily: when i see that video, first of all, it enrages me. rich shallow alto. with apple a billion-dollar company who cannot afford security. >> harris: oh, they can. >> emily: for the customer's protection, and you know what that took place in north carolina. you think those thieves want to be tackled within two seconds. try it in your hometown. i couldn't imagine but to me that is emblematic of that tech capital of the world, shallow alto in the pair of california. >> carley: soft on crime policy. >> emily: exactly. >> harris: for the prime minister of new zealand shutting down this question from a reporter about the recent meeting with her finished counterpart who happens to also be a woman.

>> a lot of people will be wondering that you attended the meeting because similar in age and got a lot of common stuff when you got into politics and stuff. and actually can we expect to receive more deals with the countries down the line? >> i wonder whether or not anyone as barack obama and -- in similar age? of course, you have a high proportion of women in politics. it is reality because two women meet, it is not simply because of the -- >> harris: carley. >> carley: i don't know if i would call that sexist. i thought that was a stupid question and she handled it well. she went on to talk about policy. listen, it has nothing to do with age. this is why i want to meet with this woman. so, i thought she shined in the moment, the reporter. >> harris: pete, when i first watched this come i thought they

put in the report of her entertainment field onto this because of the political climate could not make it. >> pete: oh, well, there is tabloid interest in politics, right? you do not see two women who are often leaders of two countries and that is a wonderful thing to see. it was annoying probably but -- >> emily: everything wrong with this kind of journalism, stuttering and couldn't get an elephant question out. everything right about the a gracious leader shut down in the moment and went on to explain economically why it behooves both countries -- i thought it was a beautiful response by her. i wish that response would get more coverage than her shutting down some idiot behind the microphone. >> harris: '70s on the rotary phone. >> dagen: i was watching a video on the instagram account and it was an interview with fleetwood mac back into '70s 70s. the interviewer asked a question about what is it like to be in a

band with women? and christine mcveigh, may she rest in peace and stevie next jumped in and she said, they were appalled by the question. the question was appalling then. and that stinks to high heaven. that question stinks to high heaven now. >> harris: she would have said go your own way appearance before she answered eloquently. she is in that position. >> ha's going all right, finalla heated debate over dinner parties. when grandmother is charging her entire family for the christmas dinner she is hosting at her house this year, even her, young grandchildren have to pay. the price tag for the meal at grandma's house, $18 per person for the meal. but is it right to chargefriendu host? a "washington post" advice columnist says, "no way." what do you think, emily? >> emily: yes, do not pay under no circumstances do you

charge your guest. however, if you cannot afford the dinner you want to plan clement fight everybody for a potluck. what can you bring? let's plan it together. the grandmother i feel so terrible for any family in a different financial position than they used to be. they get a pot luck. you can bring your silverware and we all wash dishes pure covid is so ungracious. >> harris: to me, potluck. the speed to food! >> harris: granny is the great cook and you pay granny. if you don't pay granny and can you imagine what she will do to the food? because she doesn't care! >> harris: grandmother, no, wait! >> pete: may be grandmother has entitled brett grandchildren. everything is handed to them and she's trying to teach them a lesson. >> emily: my opinion is whatever grandma says goes. >> harris: there you go. now, we have to go. back in a moment. ♪ ♪

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>> last but not least, the couch is a big part of our show and your couch is a bigger part of your life than you might think. researchers say the average sofa sees over 300 arguments, drinks spilled and tv remotes lost, along with 400 naps, 65 scribbles from kids. in addition to allegedly, pete, over 8,000 hours of tv time. >> that sounds about right. i'm going to take the over on kid scribbles in my house, and wine and drinks spilled as well. when you think about it, how much life your couch sees makes sense to me. >> apparently the average life of the sofa is eight years in a home. >> mine is about ten months, i cut my leg, that's a stain. >> what are you doing? >> that was yesterday. didn't come out, either. >> what were you doing? you walk around with a hammer in your purse. did you use it on yourself? >> i don't know how i cut my leg, but cut my leg. >> and the baby on your couch in a few months.

>> stains there will be fun. for now, take the over on naps. >> what about you, harris? >> i'm with you, i have a lot more scribbles, and the washable cry i don't knows -- >> it does not wash. >> not on my furniture. >> like if these walls could talk, the sofas, if the cushions could talk. crayons and naps. enjoy your sofas, watching "out numbered." >> john: something to think about, along with china aggression, at the forefront of address when national security leaders meet in simi valley, comes as they are a powerful foreign adversary and tiktok reportedly allowed accounts run by the propaganda part of the chinese government to meddle in the american elections in the run-up to the