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we are seeing what could be any college house on any night in america. red solo cups, a glass bottle, and christmas lights. >> jacqui: right now about 90 minutes down the road, a community is gathering to celebrate the four lives that ended too soon. 1,000 people are expected to attend and will hear directly from more family members as questions grow over why nearly three weeks later no word from the police on a single suspect. >> john: that is all coming up. good to have you in today. >> jacqui: thanks for having me in. i'm in for sandra smith. ted williams was on the ground in idaho at the crime scene, his thoughts of the new pictures showing the state of the house and how it could impact gathering evidence. we begin with a fox news alert. >> john: top officials raising the alarm over chinese-made drones flying across washington,

d.c. and elsewhere, posing a threat to national security. beijing's nuclear capabilities are top of mind at the department of defense. >> jacqui: the pentagon notes in 2020, china's estimated stockpile of nukes was in the low 200s, and now estimating 1,000 nuclear warheads by 2030. >> john: and reports that china is influencing politics here at home. a brand-new report revealing how the communist nation is using tiktok to medal in u.s. politics, attacking big name republicans during the midterm elections. >> jacqui: lawmakers on both sides of the aisle are pushing for action. >> tiktok is digital fentanyl. >> the amount of propaganda and information sucking from young americans. >> they use it to gather information because they want to destroy the united states of america. >> you have it on your phone, delete it and get a new phone as well. >> john: when will the biden

administration get the message n brian kilmeade has the inside track on that, and standing by with reaction. >> jacqui: hillary on the threats, but first jennifer griffin in simi valley, california, china a big topic of discussion there, jennifer. >> that's right, jacqui. officials have been raising concerns about the rapid militarization of the chinese military, and unprecedented number of military flyovers near taiwan have really increased since speaker pelosi's visit to taiwan earlier this year and the high profile congressional visits that have taken place there. defense officials believe china is preparing to have the capability to invade taiwan in 2027. the 100 year anniversary of the people's liberation army, pla,

but whether beijing will have the capability to do so remains to be seen. the reagan national defense forum in the 10th year comes as the pentagon released the annual report to congress on china's military power, some surprising developments this year. china, which has 400 nuclear weapons right now, is expected to have 1500 nuclear weapons by 2035, unprecedented growth in its nuclear arsenal and significant because china is not a signatory to any of the arms treaties signed by the u.s. and russia during and in the wake of the cold war. the new pentagon report reveals beijing carried out more ballistic missile tests, 135 in 2021, more than all other countries in the world combined. center for strategic and international studies, csis released satellite photos showing a new chinese military base built in a strategic intense location on the border with india, gotten the attention

of the intelligence community. i'll be hosting a panel discussion here at the forum tomorrow with the new head of the u.s. space force, general chance saltsman in his first public remarks since taking over this new force focused on protecting the u.s. in space, protecting satellites that allow the u.s. to communicate and all people on the ground to communicate and through cyber, which the nation's enemies will likely strike first to blind the u.s. in the event of any future conflict. defense officials assess that the chinese leader, president xi, has not been providing weapons to president putin or to russia for the ukraine conflict but the chinese and the russians are still training together, and that has raised some concerns, military training-wise. president xi is noticing what's happening on the ground in ukraine and managing that relationship with putin is proving to be a bit challenging. more live from the forum

tomorrow here in simi valley. >> john: china's military build-up is alarming u.s. officials, and keeping a close eye on the communist use of tiktok, claiming the popular app is trying to influence americans, even attempting to interfere in last month's midterm elections. >> jacqui: hillary vaughn has more from capitol hill. how is the government using the social media platform against the u.s.? >> jacqui, chinese state media is the one posting these videos that attack u.s. politicians. the post ramped up up to the midterm election making it clear that china was trying to use this as a way to get in the middle of it. forbes reports the tiktok accounts are being run by the propaganda arm of the chinese government and have gained millions of followers and tens of millions of views. a massive audience for content that does not clearly disclose it's posted by people affiliated

with the chinese government. tiktok says they are working on a policy to fix the problem, but say it's not an issue unique to their platform. pointing to similar content posted to youtube and facebook. a tiktok spokesperson telling us this, we plan to introduce the state controlled media policy anchors responding labels next year as part of the focus on literacy, be confirmed the global rollout will include china state media. apple ceo tim cook on capitol hill yesterday met with lawmakers, many who voiced their concerns about the ongoing 0 covid protests in the country, and reports that apple coordinated with the chinese government to limit air drop access, a key tool for protestors, so we tried to get some answers. >> hi, mr. cook. do you support the chinese people's right to protest?

do you have any reaction to the factory workers that were beaten and detained for protesting covid lockdowns? do you regret restricting air drop access that protestors used to evade surveillance from the chinese government? >> and jacqui, congressman darryl issa met with tim cook, he tells me the meeting was a little tense but that tim cook made a commitment to remain politically neutral as a company, saying he would be switzerland when it comes to taking sides in u.s. politics. jacqui. >> jacqui: that interview, or lack thereof with tim cook was really something else, hillary, you know, congressman michael waltz tweeted about it, he said tim cook has, you know, the blood of chinese protestors on his balance sheets. it's a strong condemnation. thank you for that report. >> hillary has a great way of

button holing people in the halls of congress. and someone else who does that, brian kilmeade, and he has a special on fox nation tonight, but brian, you got to wonder where the administration's priorities are, because all eyes are on elon musk, karine jean-pierre saying we are watching twitter very closely and meantime, tiktok is carrying ads from the chinese government slamming republicans, primarily, ahead of last week's -- last month's midterm elections. >> so john, power of tiktok cannot be overestimated, you have young kids, and kids in college, and they are on tiktok all the time. that's where they communicate. nothing compares. so if you are a young voter and you are getting your news from tiktok, and china is playing a role in it, and even though it says it on the bottom there, it's from media something or

other where it's coming from, you only see the ad. and if you want to get your point across in this cycle, you talk about abortion, they are looking to take your rights of abortion away. motivate a voter, come out against a certain candidates. and if you want to motivate the young voter who went the democratic way, that's where you go. so tiktok to play a role in our election after all we have been through, that this is the revelation that came out today, almost all for democrats, i think shame on us for allowing this to happen. how much longer are we going to allow tiktok to stay on everyone's phone? >> john: it's a matter of priority as well, something that house oversight committee chairman for the new congress jim jordan, sorry, judiciary, and incoming chairman jim jordan was talking about this morning on "america's newsroom," saying last year in the 20 -- gosh, i got my timeline all screwed up here, so excited to see you.

>> it happens. >> john: it does, 2020, fbi was warning a lot of disinformation, don't publish it, the story of hunter biden's laptop comes up, facebook and twitter ban it from being spread around and then you have the former intelligence officials saying oh, that's all russian propaganda. what jim jordan said about our ability to trust the u.s. government on this. >> they were going to form a disinformation governance board when in fact the biggest purveyor of disinformation was the federal government. you can't stop this behavior, can't get the politics out of the justice department if you don't first expose what they did. >> john: you have the government telling the social media companies don't go there, and then what they were blocking turns out to be true. >> it happened, so much easier, if i wanted to get to a certain voter i have to buy time on fox

sports because i want the world cup viewer, and if that was -- if i was an outside source, the chinese government, i would know about it. so there would be a way to report. but this whole world we are in by social media and the force it has, it's gaining power by the day, we have not taken the time to say wait a second, what of a nation understands our politics and it's going to start pushing certain things to ignite a certain voter. what are we going to do about it? at least we have to identify it. three weeks out of an election, means arizona is almost done counting the votes and now finding out this is happening. we are getting close. can we possibly find it out before it happens and start regulating it and when we find out about the drones, the drones that we said should not be sold in america are bought by the defense department and police forces in the country made by, i don't know, china, who has a way of putting surveillance devices within these machines to tell more about our country, it's like we are handing ourselves

the knives and the guns to slit our own throats and shoot ourself in the head. >> john: let's talk about the special tonight, "the president and the freedom fighter," and you have elevated yourself to a different level of success. you are now a published author, tv program made of his book, congratulations. >> right. >> on stage at the new jersey performing arts center, talking about all the books, "the president and the freedom fighter" being last, there is a war on american history, i lassoed other people to come out and reignite those great moments in history and the unprofessional way they can, that is as actors. on stage at 8:30. they don't know quite what they are getting into, but i promise you a night like no other, and a few tickets are left. >> john: that will also stream,

too if you can't get into the theater. >> on fox nation, 8:30, the world's favorite app. >> john: brian, you have to find something else to do. you have too much time on your hands. >> jacqui: thanks, john. the pentagon is showing off one of its secret weapons in a move to deter china and the military's first new bomber jet in more than 30 years. this is the b21 raider, an artist rendering. it's the first part of america's $1 trillion military overhaul with the bomber being built to evade radar did he -- detection. analysts say it might be needed pretty soon if china plans to move up its timeline to invade taiwan. and john, the president said, i think he was in indonesia, said there was no indication that there was an imminent threat

from china after his meeting with xi, but we never got an explanation why they came to that conclusion. >> john: and once upon a time ago, he said china will eat our lunch. come on, man. maybe they will not eat our lunch but they are sure going to try. >> jacqui: everyone is saying the risk is greater, with xi, and the unprecedented third term, i would love to note intelligence behind the no imminent threat. >> john: the pentagon is getting worried about this. no question about that. celebration of life for the four students killed in the off campus home in idaho. nearly three weeks since the four were murdered. more questions than answers continue to emerge in this puzzling case. >> jacqui: new images showing the inside of that home. ted williams has been on the scene there in ohio, he's next, with his expertise and insight. s the va cash out loan

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>> john: celebration of life is underway for the four university of idaho students killed in the deadly stabbing rampage. the service being held in post falls, which is about 100 miles north of moscow, idaho. the college town rocked by the stabbing and left on edge with the killer on the loose. police have not announced any suspects and families say they are desperate for answers. >> they keep coming out with statements that create more questions than they answer, and then that creates a pressure and that's why i'm feeling like there are so many people coming and looking for answers, and i'm one of them. >> john: chris -- christina

coleman is live in moscow, idaho. the parents from no clue what happened. >> that's right, john. in regards to the statements, police have been saying, they said multiple times this was a targeted attack, a targeted attack. wednesday night put out an update where detectives said they did not know if it was a targeted incident. yesterday they put out another statement clarifying what they said before and said they do indeed this was a targeted incident. so, there are a lot of people who are frustrated and worried, take a listen to what they told me. >> it's definitely confusing and hoping things get wrapped up. >> the general community, and feels about the same way i do. most of the place i go and the people i talk to, we are scratching our heads, trying not to speculate, that does not help anything. >> now, i was able to talk with a spokesperson for the idaho

state police just moments ago and he says that this investigation is strong, there's a lot of people, a lot of law enforcement on the ground here working around the clock to try and solve this case. in a new update from police, they confirmed a sixth person was on the lease of the off campus house where the students were killed but do not believe that person was there during the time of the attack. authorities have elaborated on their efforts regarding the forensic evidence. says crime lab scientists have provided testing analysis, results to detectives but say specific results won't be released to protect the investigation, but with so many unanswered questions, they tell me they have changed up their daily routines because they are so worried about coming across the killer. take a listen. >> it's just rough. like i mean, i'm -- i pick up my wife and drop her off every day now because i don't know what's going on. you know what i mean, we have no idea if it's a serial killer, no

idea if it's somebody who had like a grudge or something, you know. there's no leads or anything. >> also a service, a celebration of life is being held for 20-year-old xana right now, honor her and the three other students who lost their lives in that deadly attack on november 13th. her sorority sister describe her as kind and considerate. an absolute tragedy the tight community is dealing with. john. >> john: and dealing with every day as they worry and wonder whether or not the killer is still out there. christina coleman for us in moscow, christina, thank you. jacqui. >> jacqui: bring in ted williams, i want to show you the pictures from the daily mail showing the crime scene, pull them up on the screen here so people can take a look. what's your take away when you

look at this? it looks like a typical scene for college students, but does the clutter, disorganization, does that make it harder or easier to find evidence? >> well, jacqui, it makes it more difficult for law enforcement, but you are right, it is a typical college room shared by at least now we know six students. but when we look at this complete scenario here of what has taken place, it is -- we get more from the family about what is taking place than we are getting from law enforcement. but when you look at the inside, or the interior of that home, what you have really is three stories and the killers or killing took place on the second floor and on the third floor.

it leads me to believe that it was someone who had some knowledge of that home. and if you are on the first floor, the only way to get into the home is through the front door. if you are on the second floor where at least two of the individuals were killed, you can get in through the back door which is a sliding glass door. but whoever killed these four students certainly would have been covered in blood, and i would hope that what the authorities would do is put out more information that the public can use other than just this targeting. because this targeting has been very contradictory. one stage they said that the students or the house was not targeted. if those were not the targets, then what was or who was the target.

so you've got a frustrated community out there that have not been given enough information. >> yeah. ted, in one of the pictures we saw there's a computer monitor that is still on, displaying an error message, but then some of the other pictures not very much that looks like it's been knocked over or ransacked. does that help to rule out any motives? >> well, i don't think they can rule out anything at this stage, jacqui. i'm sure that law enforcement has taken a look at that computer. they have looked around each and every one of these rooms. as you know, this was and is a crime scene, and up until yesterday the automobiles in front of this crime scene were left in place, frozen in time. so they have done, meaning law enforcement, a deep scrub of those three stories to try to

determine who is or was the killer. and so what they are now doing is through forensics, they are going back, looking at the tests of the forensics, they know this one at one time a party house, so they are now trying to do a process of elimination to try to find the killer. they are trying to also talk to anybody who knew any of these four students to find out if there were any beefs that anybody would have had against any one of these four students that would have led to this kind of a murder. >> jacqui: we learned from one of the victim's fathers, not from the police, that his daughter died in the same bed as her best friend. so, one question investigators have now is how was a killer able to overtake two victims at the same time. what are your thoughts on that? >> well, one of the things is, it could have been, what was

their state or meaning that madison and kaylee, both found on the third floor in a bedroom together, but we do know that there was some defensive wounds about some of these individuals' bodies. so that meant that there could very well have been someone who fought. the medical examiner said that they were -- she believes that they were asleep when they were initially attacked. but during the course of the attack, somebody or somebodies fought, and as a result of that there may very well be some dna evidence that will help the authorities to bring the killer or killers to justice. >> you would thinkbe that it would cause someone to wonder if there were multiple suspects involved to overtake two people at the same time, one after another, right in the same bed. ted williams, we have run out of time. thank you so much for joining us today. appreciate it.

>> my pleasure. >> john: when it comes for paying for must-haves like police and roadways, taxes are a way of life. but fresh oranges from a farm in minnesota, that tax money seems to be used from flat out fraud. how easy it was to defraud billions in pandemic relief frauds and all of us are stuck with the bill. >> jacqui: the jobs report better than expected numbers but still massive layoffs taking place. larry kudlow weighs in next.

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issuing a stark warnings to republicans telling his party to stop underestimate the president, he passed a series of bills that were wins for progressives and costing trillions in spending. writes the hostility to the biden administration on our terms tends to blind us to just how effective biden has been on his terms. ari fleischer, former white house press secretary and fox news contributor. thanks so much for joining us. i have to ask you, is gingrinch on to something here? >> well, look, in politics you always need to pay attention to the other side, always a healthy question to say what are they doing right, why do they have so many people who are voting for them, how do we stop that. so, a healthy respect for what the other side is doing and able to accomplish always makes sense. frankly, the biggest thing the democrats have is not thanks to joe biden, but thanks to

remarkable party discipline, a party that has a 50/50 senate, previously a five vote majority in the house. they have been sticking together while republicans have been pulling apart in the congress. that's the real lesson to be learned. >> jacqui: the title of this warning republicans to stop underestimating biden is a nod to this image the gop has painted of president biden as an incompetent leader. at this stage in the game do you think it's even possible to change people's minds, convince voters in the base he's not incompetent? >> well, i do think one of the lessons of the midterm election is pay more attention to independents, and clearly they were willing to cut joe biden a break and feared republicans. that's the group republicans have to remember to talk to. it cannot be a base only strategy. base only strategy will not win. there are not enough people in our base, not enough people in the democrat base for them to win. you still need the center of

american politic. you need base plus, and this is where i do think biden as an 82-year-old is really vulnerable to lose more independents if republicans have a candidate in 2024, acceptable to the independents in addition to the base. >> jacqui: a quote from this, says not nearly enough understanding or acknowledgment among leading republicans that the approach failed. we need to think from the ground up how to defeat big government socialism including almost inevitable second time presidential nominee joe biden. do you think republicans at this point should assume he's going to be the nominee and that this is where things are headed? >> you know, that's the silver lining of the election. if the democrats had lost the house and the senate, i cannot imagine they would have stuck with an unpopular now 80-year-old president heading into a recession and

re-election, they would have forced him out. now they are stuck with him. i think the democrats are going to likely nominate now an 82-year-old unless he decides for whatever health reasons or he's just too tired that he won't run for re-election. now up to joe biden, not the democratic party. so i think republicans need to plan on running against biden, but almost does not matter. the republicans are going to go through their own primary against whoever the democrats put up. and that has to be a candidate that excites the base as a populus, as an outsider, but who does not alienate people in the center of the country. keep the suburbs voting republican, that's the formula. >> jacqui: we are out of time, your thought, democrats thinking of switching up the primary calendar. should the gop do the same, benefit from looking at another state that's more diverse, south carolina, something like that? >> if i were the gop i would not monkey with the republican primary calendar. it works, you have iowa, new hampshire, south carolina, nevada, it's a great cross

sampling of america. the problem the democrats have with iowa, it's too white and too rural, that's no longer the base. and they are still counting the votes from the caucus. >> jacqui: who won that? >> john: biden finished fourth and fifth in new hampshire, and the only reason why he's in the oval office, jim clyburn and south carolina. >> jacqui: the other side of it, i do wonder, you had so mm many latinos going to the gop side. >> john: my older daughter went to college in south carolina, and tends to be warmer than iowa at that time of year, but you know, that is really bucking

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♪♪ >> jacqui: survive is right, survivor of a cruise ship fall speaking out what it took to stay alive. 28-year-old james grimes fell overboard on a carnival cruise ship the gulf of mexico the night before thanksgiving. spent nearly 20 hours bobbing in shark and jellyfish-invested water fighting for his life. >> the fall didn't kill me, you know, sea creatures didn't eat me, i feel i was meant to get out of there. the light finally hit me, somehow i heard it, we got him, and i seen a guy coming down

from the helicopter, and it was coming towards me, right then i thought man, i stayed alive. >> jacqui: incredible. coast guard rescued him at night on thanksgiving. his sister reported him missing when he did not return to his cabin the night before. add this to your list of reasons, my list of reasons not to take a cruise. between like norovirus and the covid stuff and the risk of falling and having to fight for your life in jellyfish and shark-infested waters. >> john: the guy is out there for 20 hours before being found and rescued. at that point you've got to figure ok, it's over, now what am i going to do. so the fact that he had the tenacity and the drive to live, to actually live through that is remarkable. >> jacqui: treading water is also exhausting, 20 hours is a long time unless you are an athlete, who can do that.

>> john: the salt water helps but that's a long time to be out there. kudos for him for surviving, wow. team u.s.a. set to take on the netherlands after a stunning victory over iran. and will christian pulisic play tomorrow and other players are questionable as well. >> that was the big question star player christian pulisic suffered an abdominal injury, he will play tomorrow at 10:00 a.m. eastern time, less than 24 hours before they take on the big one, game four and here in qatar, the excitement really is building. americans here tell me they are confident but a little nervous. today i asked captain tyler adams how the team is dealing with the pressure.

>> can you tell me what you are talking to the team about, what conversations you have with them, and what is the energy among the team. are they nervous as well? >> the energy is always amazing in our team. we count on timothy and deandre, so they carry the music box around wherever we go, the energy is good. but yeah, no, some of my families extended their flights as well. but it's a game by game mentality for us. we have to stay laser-focused on the next team at hand. >> adams says knowing how many people are watching back home has been a huge motivator. on average, more than 11 million people in the u.s. watched the first three games on broadcast and digital streams. up 10% the last time they qualified for the world cup. another day of shocking upsets with south korea, ranks 28, beating number 9, portugal, with this remarkable goal that you are seeing there on screen. so, this effectively knocking

out both ghana and uruguay. they will not qualify for the next round. the u.s. will play tomorrow starting at 10:00 a.m. eastern time. if they win they move forward, if they lose, they will be going home. >> john: glad to hear christian will be playing. and two others are touch and go, they were having their own problems with injuries. but it will be a game to watch tomorrow, and can you imagine if they beat the netherlands and advance? oh, the whole town will go nuts. alex, good to talk to you. hope you are enjoying your time in doha there. >> thanks, john. >> jacqui: great assignment. she drew the best straw there. >> john: the last time i was in doha, the one and only time, 122°. >> jacqui: oh, god. hopefully it's better in december. >> john: yeah, i think it's probably better. we were there the height when it's hot. >> jacqui: if you are home for the holidays, don't talk politics with your family.

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>> sandra: so if you don't like talking politics with the family when you're home for the holidays, fox nation has some debate hot topics. you can see your fox favorites debate the most divisive topics of the season like when is it too early to play christmas music and real trees or fake trees. >> i love christmas music. i waited till after thanksgiving. you know what? i'm not a sociopath. >> if you're a real american, you buy a real tree.

>> john: real or fake? >> real. >> john: me too. you have your tree yet? >> not yet. i've been stalling. >> john: we have ours up already. >> rum for whiskey in your eggnog? >> john: rum. >> whiskey. >> john: sometimes whiskey. thanks for joining us. i'm john roberts. >> i'm jacqui heinrich. "the story" starts now. >> martha: thanks. good afternoon. i'm martha maccallum at fox news head quarters in new york. right now on "the story," there is a service that is underway for a celebration of life for the four university of idaho students that were brutally murdered in their off campus home now almost three weeks ago. madison mogen's boyfriend spoke moments ago. he said she was always smiling, dancing and loofing and that she