>> that t-shirt is way too small. you can stream this show. follow "unfiltered" on facebook and instagram. that does it for us tonight on "unfiltered." don't forget to set your dvr i you can't make it live. lawrence: good evening america welcome to this special addition of cross country in moscow, idaho. tonight we're in front of the

still no suspect or person of interest. the community has been left in limbo with more confusion and more questions. we're on the hunt for answers for them. moscow deserves answers. the students of the university deserve answers. these four young innocent victims deserve answers and so do their families. so let's start there. joining me now on set the parents of kaylee kristy and steve goncalves you guys have been so transparent and strong for the public. kristy, you called the person that did this the boogeyman. what did you mean by that? >> it's literally like what nightmares are made of when you're a little kid and think of the boogieman that's how i feel that's just the horrific details of everything.

them just having a good time going home and going to bed and this happening to them. >> your best friend calling -- >> and the boogeyman comes. >> boogeyman doesn't meet you at mcdonald's. he comes and snatches you out of your bedroom. lawrence: steve, we've been talking i've been talking to folks in the community. you said something that stuck with me. you said until this person is caught, you can't sleep in your bed. >> no. i can't just lay in my bed and do nothing. that's not the way i raised my family. that's not the way i raised my girls and my son. you don't be a victim. you stand up for yourself and you do neferg your power to make sure people hear you. now they're gong hear kaylee they're gobbing to hear maddie ander and -- >> careful saying anything about them because i can't speak on anybody else's child but these

two girls i'll do what i can do we're going to fight an figure out how to make sure that we hold everybody, you know, accountable and keep eyes and intention on this and get this thing resolved. >> steve you've made it clear to our audience that you're supportive of law enforcement you support the investigation. but recently i've been watching and talking with you, and you're getting frustrated. what does that frustration come from, sir in? >> it puts certain between you and officers that are making things happen and those people are like lawyers and they don't want to say anything and they descroangt the guts to come up and be alpha and be like leaders and say hey we might say something that's wrong and that i can hit so officers look me straight in eyes lead detective in my eyes no doubt he's working his hard as he can. but -- somebody isn't communicating there's nothing being released -- it seems like they're trying to

suppress the story they're saying -- you don't want reward post wheres you do your rush you're not going to get students if they see these things but this community won't heal until this guy is pulled off the streets. it ain't going to happen. think it through. he has to be off the streets we're all working for the same thing. >> when was last time y'all heard from the police? >> thursday. we looked at our phone words we want to not sell anyone out. >> 3:00 on thursday. an update from the police about the investigation -- >> there was nothing, no update for you a waiver that was mail related. so we're wog with them we're not selling them out. we love our law support. fbi that's here, we just have no information as family and it

gets tough day ever day after day. every day you wake up and think today is the day we're going to hear something and there's a break in the case and it will be something stupid. >> sixth person on the least that was never there. stop playing games this is serious people's lives and this is the future of this community. there's going to be 10,000, 15,000 kids that come in this year or they don't next year. so i'm serious. >> i had opportunity to speak to some of my sources and -- i've been told that there were differences in the way that the victims were killed. some were more severe than the other. and this week we hard the target attack and then a target attack what can you tell us about the targeted attack? >> they have told us that it was targeted. and they told us they can't tell who. we asked specifically they said we'll try to get that

information to use and they got back to us a day or so later they said we're sorry we can't give you that information. but then a day later we saw on news that it was not targeted or they think whole house was targeted but -- >> i'll cut to the chase. they're means of death don't match. >> maddies -- and kaylees cause of death it does not match based on the autopsy report. >> it don't match. would you indicate that one of them may have been targeted -- >> gone up the stems let's stop playing games i need somebody to step up to be somebody to be a leader don't make me do it. i don't want to do it. there are points of damage don't match. i'm going say it. it wasn't leaked to me i earned that and paid for that funeral it is my right. ain't taking that from me if you don't want to say anything that's your bit but don't say i'm leaking anything i paid that

bill. sent my daughter to college to get an education she came back in a box and i can speak on that. >> i was also told from sources that are closer to the investigation because there was a lot of roommates in there. and this was a horrific for those roommates that were there as well. >> absolutely. >> the preservation of this crime scene, witnesses tell me that it may have well been preserved because the phone was passed around between one of the fraternity members and the girls one of them unfortunately witnessed death. the body there can you confirm that? >> we cannot actually. we know nothing about that whole phone call. we've asked and it's, i mean, i know that a lot of people want to know but that's nots our agenda we're like somebody called 9-1-1 somebody reported unconscience we doangts know.

we've heard so many different things and nobody has been clarified or -- been told to us at all. and, i mean, i don't know if i personally have asked anything about that. i don't know if you've asked that. but -- we know that this is getting three weeks in and it is starting to get we don't want to go cold. we're reaching out i've reached out to friends down in california today. that have connections that were hoping to get -- raise some money to get a reward to get a private investigate. third party. >> do you worry at the end of this week that this case may be cold? >> we're scared. >> we don't want a -- photo out there with a reward and information that kind of sounds like you're trying to suppress thes story. i mean why do you not need help? but hey i could be wrong and you officers i apologize if i'm wrong. i want to please forgive me but

if -- but if you don't have the information people do know if they don't then this is a community that is i.t. based these guys live a digital foot precinct like all us older people don't know how much that digital footprint could be helpful so that's what we ask for. i hope like a dna -- family and start taking this town is not that big. we can figure out this and it might not be him it might be a family member. we have family all going to the school together. you know there's cousins, aunts, there's uncles we can find this guy just with -- lineage companies yeah. >> put idaho on the map. >> kristy, steve, we're going stays on this case. >> thank you. >> we're not going anywhere you've been candid with us we'll keep asking questions. any resource that we have available our sons praying for

you guys. thank you y'all. it was big for you guys to come back to moscow tonight i know it took a lot of courage to do it. >> it took a lot. >> i'm hoping we can get some answers for you thank you for joining us tonight. one of the most forensic pathologist in the world doctor michael bonin you heard this interview with the family. one of the -- may have been the target there. what can you tell us first? >> the dad something that's very accurate that hasn't been said before. that when somebody is stabbed in their sleep they don't loose conscienceness right away they lose when there's enough bleeding internally or externally to -- impair blood flow and oxygen going to the brain. that may take many minutes. so kaylee and others could have -- were not just stabbed in their sleep and didn't fight back.

they fought back and this for at least a couple of minutes this may and they could have very well called out and made, yelled out to wake up the other people. if possible, and that if there is a close -- a close struggle first of all it indicates in a stabbing that this is a person i would say a guy, a man who is very strong and not afraid of a struggle. not afraid that somebody will pull the knife from him or has a gun under her pillow that can shoot him. so it tells a lot about the struggle. and believe it or not kaylee or other people would have put their hands on his face got touched dna on their -- fingers. or hair grabbed the perpetrators hair with dna in it. so there are a lot of things that would happen in a few minutes struggle for each of

those decedents after they come in contact with the perpetrator. >> family members that kristy and steve there's -- the result -- their own investigation -- [inaudible conversations] >> if you have the opportunity to view those documents, what else would you be able to infer from your reading of the report, sir? >> also, point that the dad mentioned is the number of injuries each of the four people incurred. that if this is a rage reaction against a person there, that person would have a lot more injuries because the perpetrator would keep stabbing or punching or even after the person is lost conscienceness and dead and

wouldn't do that with the other people who once they lose conscienceness or they stop. so if autopsy report can be released, there would be forensic pathologist around who could give interpretation to that and if, i do think it is a targeted murder one person because the individual knew the place. he had been in that apartment before. and if this we dongt know yet if he wore gloves or not there would be bloody glove prints or finger prints somewhere in that house from the perpetrator if it is bloody they know right away that that's from the perpetrator if it is not bloody they have to look at all of the hundreds of finger prints that might be in that house because finger prints don't go away but washed away on the wall or whatever and then -- it may or may not be present in a database. but a bloody finger precinct

would be invaluable or hand print. >> doc you are one of the best in the business if not the best in the world you're insight on this case has been invaluable also with us -- got it brother. thank you so much. so while talking to students here on the university of idaho's campus, i came across a young man who is good friends with ethan and he told me what it's been like to face this tragic loss. watch. >> i knew ethan -- >> what do you remember about them? >> this were really good people and always loved seeing them whenever they were around campus. ethan was a good friend of mine so -- pretty sad but i came back because i still want to keep pursuing my dreams but -- you know it is definitely harder to come back especially after that. >> do you think it's brought the

community this university closer together or -- has a fractured the campus? >> i mean, i would definitely say it fractured it as, you know, not a lot of people are here. but in a way it's brought us together especially just moscow community and idaho in general. >> how do you feel about them not catching the person that did that in is this shocking to you? >> i mean given the little amount of evidence that they have and have found it's not too surprising they haven't found the suspect. but it's still just disheartening. >> just tragic. joining me now former inspector for the nypd paul morrow you've been going through the crime scene with me and talking with sources with me. one of the things that struck me

this week is the back and forth you heard the passionate interview from the family they're desperate but when you have a prosecutor that is saying one thing and the police department saying one thing. why does that happen? you're a lawyer and a cop. explain to us what that means. >> so the reason this matters is there's a couple of things first of all the optic is that the two officers are not on the same page right and so there's a public confidence issue. personally i'm more concerned with the idea that does that mean that operationally they're not latched up together. long-term investigation like this you need the prosecutor with you as a investigating officer. they're going to have to do search warrant and subpoena and legal process and cyberstuff. some of the stuff that mr. goncalves spoke about and you have to dump phone and wi-fi you have to dump the cloud you have to go for the financial investigations. all of that stuff leads leading process and prosecutors bring that investigatory power to the table. they're great and you hope

they're both singing from the same sheet of music. >> but i want this statement up on the screen and you brought this to my attention and police department brought up saying that official responses will only come from them. but the prosecutors chief law enforcement officer for the county they're ones that when we -- catch this madmen hopefully, they're going to have to try that in court. so do you read anything into that statement where -- they say every official statement come from them and not the prosecutor. >> hopefully not. you know but that's where this optic is coming from. the thing is as an investigators the human impulse this is true for cops they want to put their case together by themselves put in a nice neat bow, bring it to the proximate proximate prosecup on a desk and that's how it goes to the court and having that prosecutor with you from the beginning or early as possible, especially in a complex case is

going to be ongoing and save you a lot of grove. the risk it so show up at the prosecutors office on the last day here's the case and to find out this is admissible this is admissible you did this wrong, that's the last thing you want. now i'm not saying that that's what's happening here. you and i have made great pains to say that pr struggles in this case don't necessarily equate to operational struggles. and that could be the case here as well. you just hope that they're operating again off of the same sheet of music all pulling together on same investigationings. >> real quickly paul but the parents you heard them they may go private rout now is that typical in a case of this magnitude? >> i haven't seen it. i'm not sure when you consider the fact that you have something like 40 fbi agents all of this help from the idaho state pd. obviously moscow pd is in this thing full blown as far as they could go i'm not sure what a

private investigators will be tiebl bring to the table from outside of this. but look i understand the families are very, very concerned taken this terrible hit. and i just hope that this gets solved for their sake sooner rather than later. >> paul mauro great you're a great contributor up next i spoke to university of idaho student who staid on the campus and what concerns they might have and why did they decide to stay after this horrific killing. you don't want to go anywhere. more cross count

if you run a small business, you need the most from every investment. that's why comcast business gives you more. more innovation... with our new gig-speed wi-fi, plus unlimited data. more speed... from the largest, fastest, reliable network... and more savings- up to 60% a year with comcast business mobile. all from the company that powers more businesses

than any other provider. get started with fast speeds and advanced security for $49.99 a month for 12 months. plus ask how to get up to a $750 prepaid card with a qualifying bundle.

>> welcome back to cross country so the mungt of moscow grieving after the four college students were murdered so i went to the college campus and i wanted to talk to those students that figure out why they decided to come back. the concerns for safety, did they want to just finish their classes. or their parents concerned? this is what they have to tell me. watch. >> you're close by where the house was -- >> yes. >> you're with your partner you got a text from the university. >> yes, we got a vandal alert saying that there had been a homicide in a originally they didn't state how many victims.

and then we got another alert and i want to say it was about an hour later saying that it was a quadruple homicide and threat cleared so we were all really freaked out after that. >> what made you decide to come back? >> because, i mean, police were doing their job and a lot more security so i feel a lot more safer around. >> i think we are scared to go outside of the university. inside the university we don't feel any kind of -- because we have people moving here and there. >> we just want justice and to make sure everybody can feel safe. >> i feel for their families and i hope they can catch this guy. hopefully get answers. >> how do you feel about them not even having a suspect or a person of interest? >> makes me very nervous. very nervous. i'm just hoping that they have someone in mind. >> hopefully guy can get caught. >> hoping they'll get caught.

>> the police are doing their job and that's what you can ask things like this take a long time. >> so, obviously, those kids are very resilient and they're trying to finish up the rest of this semester joining me right now julie park a member of the moscow city council you just heard from those students. they told me there's a big presence on the campus. you guys haven't had a murder in this town since 2015. >> that's right. >> what's been the mood in this community people didn't lock their doors before but now they're calling local lock smith not enough manpower to put lox on these doors. >> i've heard that story as well that lock smiths are a little overwhelmed. i think that it's been such a safe community and we don't worry a lot about our safety, and you know, sometimes maybe we should be more careful because

you never know. and it's good to just protect yourself at least to some degree. but it has been nice to live in a community where you don't worry every day about your safety. >> i just had the parents of kaylee goncalves god parents of maddie they're concerned about the pace of the investigation. and getting answers, as someone that has oversight of this police department, what can you tell us about the men and women that are trying to solve this case? do you have full confidence that they're going to be able to get the job done? >> i do. we may be a small town. but i have faith in our police force and they're well trained and very professional. i know that people feel like we're kind of in the middle of nowhere out here but we do have a really good community. we have a really strong professional presence in terms of the city.

and i think that our moscow police force will do really well i think the help from the idaho state police and the fbi are invaluables really grateful that governor has allocated a million dollars to this investigation. so that we can do as much as we can. >> when you hear people say they believe this may be potentially a cold case, when you hear the back and forths of statements between the prosecutors office and the police, how do you ensure confidence to the residents here and the students that, you know, are roams campus may want to go and have a drink with their friends. >> sure. >> like i said i do have faith in our police force and our -- prosecuting attorney. we don't do this here. you know, of course they're going to misspeak. you know, i'm not on fox news every week.

[laughter] i'm not a big city council person. and so i understand that people are a little frustrated with some of the stumbles in terms of what people have said but i asked us all to give each other some grace these are your neighbors these are your kids' coaches they're -- we are a tight knit community and we all need a little grace right now. >> you're being gracious with your time we appreciate you coming on fox news right now. we deeing into the protocol of a homicide investigation. what steps are still being taken and what needs to happen going forward? we discuss that more on cross country. don't do anywhere.

>> i need somebody step up being alpha be somebody to be a looed or don't make me want to do it. doesn't have to go up steps there are points of damage don't match. i'm just going say it wasn't leaked to me i earned that. i paid for that funeral i paid for that. that's my right. you ain't taking that from me. >> calm down. >> if you don't want to say anything but don't say i'm leaking anything i paid that

bill. sent my daughter to college to get an education, she came back in a box. and i can speak on that. >> that was steve goncalves passionately talking about that investigation and what's going on behind scenes. what do these investigators do? and what does it take to build a case to present in court so let's talk to the man himself. ted williams former d.c. homicide investigators you heard the interview with the family you heard the passionate calls for justice from them. a lot of people in the community are concerned they don't know what is being done behind scenes it seems very quiet. so take us behind the scenes of an investigation like this, sir. >> let me just say my heart goes out to that family and the family of all of these victims. they want something done

yesterday. we watch unfortunately television and we believe that you move at mason speed when it comes to investigations of this nature but that's not true. what is happening is, initially when you have a homicide scene like this, you have to preserve that crime scene. and at that stage you have crime scene search officers to come in and get as much evidence as they can sent to a lab for processing. once that information comes back from the lab, then investigators can work from there. but also in an investigation of this nature you're looking at all of the tens. now, what you have out there and you know, lawrence ives been out there on the ground in idaho i can tell you you've got about a 30 person police department out there.

and they haven't had a homicide since about 7 years ago. and so as a result of that, they're not well trained in dealing with this. so this is a reason the idaho or state police and the fbi involved are i think only thing we can say to parents is you just unfortunately going to have to be patient. glans so ted what type of information do we get from that crime lab? i had the opportunity to knock on door of someone that wanted to clear his name. he ran to the police department to present his dna because he wanted to be cleared. what's going on behind scenes with the dna evidence? >> a great deal of frustration i can tell you that the idaho state police lab has sent back some dna two or should i say some forensic evidence to the

moscow police department. and they're processing that. they're trying to determine if there's any dna. you have michael bodden on a little earlier and he's absolutely right. if, in fact, victims came in contact and we know there's a lot of blood at that crime scene they possibly could be some dna that will bring this to a conclusion but i can tell you lawrence right away i've come to being on the ground i believe killer came through that side back door on the second floor where there were two victims found and then went upstairs and where other two were sleeping together and this is the way this went down unfortunately. >> you saw the interview with the father of him potentially revealing potential target of that shooting. so i'm sorry that stabbing, sir, so we're going to be following it thank you so much for joining

the program. >> so joining us next on cross country the former idaho attorney general is going give us insight of how they do business in idaho and how investigations are conducted and where do we get answers on that 9-1-1 tape. that's next on cross

lawrence: welcome back to cross country so as investigation plays out there's still a lot of unanswered questions. many about the crime scene, what exactly does this look like? how do they process it? i want to bring in dave leroy former idaho attorney general been gracious enough to join us live tonight. sir thanks so much for joining the program. one of the questions that i keep hearing from people within the community as well as the media is when are we going get that 9-1-1 call or at least that transcript what is the process

here in idaho? >> i think one of the things that's important to realize here is that the investigators have not committed the cardinal sin of revealing too much to compromise the investigation. so thing all due course to the extent that the 9-1-1 call wasn't contained in a critical information or that may well become well to assume but i do commend investigators and they are spiking a balance as one of the former commentators said in term was become forthcoming and protecting investigation they're doing a good job of the latter. lawrence: sir, as someone that is hold state office and has the lead investigative agency in this state, when you hear back and forth from the community wanting more answers on the

ground, do you have the confidence that they're going to be able to get this case underwraps real soon? we've heard some rumbling potentially but they may have something so what are you hearing, sir as someone that's still plugged into the state's agency? >> well i heard your speculation earlier that may be this will be a cold case i know that are far more red hot cases that are solved than ever become cold cases. this is a complicated crime scene. they've got very excellent task force put together, and i'm most hopeful that things that we do know link together with the kind of behavioral speculations they have about what this killer may look like who this killer may be. what kind of trait this is killer may exhibit of the combination of that sort of thing may well stick out in a small community like moscow with its 26,000 people with the community campus of 11,500.

there will be somebody who engaged in some behavior there was somebody that left some electronic communications. there will be somebody i think that links to that crime scene how quickly we're able to do that -- lawrence: copy sir i'm short on time but you've been to this crime scene quickly 20 seconds tell me how complicated it is to process and i know you went before the crime was actually committed. but you know the layout of this home. >> i do. the thing that layout suggest clearly is that the access to the crime scene by the perpetrator was accomplished on the upper second floor sliding door to the rear of the house. that would allow someone to commit crimes in the second and third there are and never come to first floor and fact that two were sleeping in the bedrooms

tells me that the crime was committed upper and entry was upper and exit as well. >> yeah. sir thanks so much for joining program. thank you so much for giving us a lot of insight into this case. sir i want to bring if in host of id crime scene confidential former crime scene investigators aeleene that you've heard from the gentlemen said about crime scene i want to talk to you about the potential of reopening that crime scene. we know that private security now is monitoring that crime scene. i've been going back and forth investigators are still going back and forth to gather more information -- when it comes to releasing it back to the family what is that process like? >> well, releasing home back to the family is simply a matter of law enforcement turning ownership of the home back. once they do that the residents are free to move about as they did before the crime occurred. once they do that they must be very certain that they are done capturing any evidence inside

that home because when they do that the chain custody is broken and anything that can potentially be found or collected after that point could be considered contaminated. >> is it common three weeks later for investigators to still be going back and forth to that crime scene? >> yes. investigation are cyclical evolutionary process between prosecutors and detectives. so the way that it works is detectives get information through interviews, through reviewing surveillance footage, et cetera that can provide information to crime scene investigators that allow them to focus. now of course they understand they're looking for a standard finger prints and looking for dna evidence. but you know a common example that i give when i teach is that if you find a trash in a trash can that's not going to jump out at you as a piece of forensic evidence. but if detectives get

information that a victim and last at a fast food restaurant maybe go back through that trash can because something in there could now potentially be evidence so fact they're going back to me could be a good sign. it could mean they're going in with some more focused information. it could also simply mean they wanted to go back and get something like more photographs. >> real quickly before i let you go it was reported we actually saw with our cameras of them finally removing vehicles and still custody is that normally an investigation? >> again they could have new information and it would be common to tow vehicles back to a secured area. also police have access to controlling lighting conditions if they need to at a police tow yard. so it's not uncommon for them to tow vehicles back to somewhere

where they have better control over them. >> thank you so much for joining the program we appreciate your insight. cross country continues live after quick break live from idaho. don't go anywhere.

folks, it looks like we're gonna have to land this big old bird earlier than expected because it's the xfinity black friday sale. get the fastest mobile service with xfinity mobile. yeah, we'll be cruising in to get the best price for 2 lines of unlimited for just $30 each per month. oh my! plus, for a limited time, get 500 dollars off an eligible 5g phone. even you in 22c. flight attendants, prepare for big savings. drop everything and get to the xfinity black friday sale. click, call or visit a store today.

if you run a small business, you need the most from every investment. that's why comcast business gives you more. more innovation... with our new gig-speed wi-fi, plus unlimited data. more speed... from the largest, fastest, reliable network... and more savings- up to 60% a year with comcast business mobile. all from the company that powers more businesses than any other provider. get started with fast speeds and advanced security for $49.99 a month for 12 months. plus ask how to get up to a $750 prepaid card with a qualifying bundle.

welcome become to cross country if you're just now joining us live in moscow, idaho as they mourn senseless death of four innocent young americans. just sleeping in their home, and as they continue to mourn they want answers to this case, paul, we've been working our sources, one of the things that was brought to me is the potential when police officers say they have cleared someone and we've heard a lot about that in this case. we haven't heard a suspect or person of interest but there's a lot of names floating around they'll say this person is cleared a source told me that they heard from law enforcement that just because they said a person was cleared about doesn't always mean they're cleared they could be flushing them out as a former law enforcement official. is that true? >> i think it is. it is cleared and it is cleared -- right, and put yourself in the

position of the officers for a second. okay, you know everybody grows up on crime shows everybody watching a lot of tv seeing these sorts of they think and everybody knows where to look. right when something like this occurs everybody focuses on particular area of the victim's lives. right? police know that public knows that. so if you're sitting where the police are sitting -- it is not so advantageous for them to say you know what, this person right here is still a suspect. okay well this person is still a suspect you get intense media, you're going to get all kinds of interviews you get people that flee you can get other legal problems, et cetera. so it is mored a van takennous in certain instances to play innocent keep everybody ears guard down allow them to do what they're going to do and remember people who are cleared genuinely can come back in once you get more information back and once you know information is coming

back and hopefully scene -- >> we did get bright news for source paul we spoke to folks that may have been there, and there was some theories that the crime scene may have been contaminated. we have since learned that maybe the cops did exactly what they were supposed to do when they entered that crime scene and it wasn't, in fact, contaminated inside. >> so let's hope that that's true we did get soft information maybe initial patrol response went the way you would hope it would. and that's so important here because look the dna is going to be confirm story. it is not beginning to be look we found some foreign dna here hopefully it is a dna profile that exist in both internal crime scenes because if you have that then you have a very high livelihood that this is who you're looking for. but the chances are getting out of the database maybe you're get a hit on distance relative and reverse engineer in and you have

that early in the case now nor traditional means are brought to bare shrink down a pool maybe get down to possible. that dna will tell you this is our guy. >> wow. lawrence: valuable information paul you've been on this and stay on this. we appreciate you brother. got our final thoughts on this case coming up on cross country. don't go anywhere.

welcome back to cross krnghts on a personal note when i first started this show we made a commitment that we were going to fight for the voiceless whether on south side of chicago or middle of america that we were going to speak out for victim. voiceless and that's what we're doing right here. we've been told that more people may have information if you're afraid, maybe you were there that night. we're going to put the tipline up there please give us any information you can to authorities if you have a tip

that you want to give to cross country put our e-mail up as well. we will be back in new york live next week at 10 p.m. eastern time don't forget to dvr if you have any information, call that tip line. good night "america live" from idaho. [applause] [applause] >> hi everyone get bumped up coming into saturday night and it is time for one nation and i am brian kilmeade in amongst i guess, tim to talk about that they have a new york actually the homeless people insane people even if they don't want to be arrested and of course putting facilities and jim jordan really what happened behind closed doors, with jim cook, evitable and we begin here, and numerology of america's foreign policy, where gone, initially the united states is always different freedom and liberty, civil for those wh