>> hello, this is "outnumbered," i'm harris faulkner, here with co-host emily compagno, joining us is martha maccallum, mercedes schlapp and marc thiessen, it is going to rock. president biden en route to arizona, he will go to the

border, right? no. he will be about an hour away from the border, he won't be visiting it despite the unprecedented crisis there. 2-1/2 million people have crossed the border illegally in the fast year and we learned of hundreds of people dying in the waters you see there, the rio grand. record number of children arriving at the border who are alone unattended. in just the past three days, 14,000 encounters at the border. they are not going through the checkpoints, they are flowing over. this is thermal imaging from bill melugin of people crossing into texas last week and border agents are bracing for a massive influx. the biden administration is projecting daily border crossings could double when the trump-era border policy known as title 42 ends on december 21st.

apparently the president does not think all of this is important and how do we know? because he said it. >> why go to the border today and not visit the border? >> president biden: there are more important thing going on, investing billions in new enterprise. >> harris: important to whom, marc thiessen? >> marc: more defensible had he gone to the border at any other time, which he hasn't done. when he says this is not important. we've had one million got-aways four million encounters at the border, roughly five million people cross our border and we have fentanyl pouring in over the border causing untold deaths in this country. it is fuelling crime, like in new york and other places far from the border, it is drug-related crime. this isn't important to the

president of the united states, a shocking statement? >> harris: the point you were making, people cross more than once even when border patrol try to send people back, there is no deterrent in coming right back. silver lining is, if they commit a crime and try to come back in, we have a little, we can see them and find them and they are not working around things because they know they want to come back. >> marc: unless they are a got-away and there are a million of those. what the cartel does, send surges to one part of the border and they move the drugs in another area. >> emily: what is more disheartening than having your commander-in-chief stand with an umbrella obscuring his face and say your lives are not important to me, that is the message president biden was sending with president of border patrol said nothing is more important than

safety and security of the american people, but to president biden it is an afterthought. visiting an ice cream shop? very important. visiting the border where illegal immigration, fentanyl, new records nonstop, thousands dying, not important. they say no surprise biden doesn't think it is important or worthy of attention, for him, it is win-win. what is more abhorrent, in december, three different border patrol agents took their own lives, setting a record for border patrol. this weekend, the body of body national guard bishop evans was recovered, he died while trying to save two migrants in the river. the message from your boss, commander-in-chief of the united states saying to everyone essentially your lives do not matter. there is bishop evans, we just

showed his photo. >> harris: secretary mayorkas, in september when i was at the border, had has not installed confidence for the men and women to handle the truth and the situation is not going to change. >> martha: can you imagine if your job is to protect the border and you see five million crossers since the beginning of this administration crossing illegally and you're told basically that the border is closed and you are watching what is happening? anybody who has watched any of this video knows that is a lie. the border is not closed. the border is immensely porous, incredibly dangerous and people are losing their lives. what do they get? scolded when they are accused of whipping people even though the photographer who took the photo and was there said it might look like that, that is not what was happening.

they are being grossly mistreated, people protecting our border. what if you are a parent of a child who died of a fentanyl overdose and there are more and more everyday and this is how it is getting across. for the president not to go, he has a lot of leeway, he's in a strong position, what if president biden said i'm going to the border, i will bring a couple republicans and democrats -- >> harris: that would be leadership. >> it would, maybe he has that opportunity in a way he hasn't before and people in america want the border secure, republicans and democrats, poll after poll after poll, go for it, make it happen. >> harris: he says that is not as important the taiwan ease company he is visiting is important, but we can prioritize, not everything is an emergency, this at the border is an emergency.

mercedes. >> mercedes: there is something called multi tasking and something you can do, when i worked in the trump administration, the president was working on securing the border, definitely a priority, working with border patrol agents and dealing with the economy, dealing with global threats. to say there are more important issues, for this president to make that comment is a complete insult to the american people. that literally trickles down to the administration, where you have secretary alejandro mayorkas who refuses to even deal with the border crisis, even give the support needed to our border patrol officers and so in essence, it is why you are going to see this republican house majority move forward investigations on secretary mayorkas and bring to light the tragedy we're seeing at the border. >> harris: look at republican tom tillis working with kyrsten

sinema, the president could be there, i think we know what we think about him -- she gets chased into a lady's room by men and the president says that is the way things go in politics. >> and katie hobbs certified her own election, that is another story, she says this is an issue in arizona, for the president to ignore even democrats on this issue, i think it makes him very vulnerable and you need more democrats -- >> marc: it also -- >> harris: karine jean-pierre, the only french i know, went after republicans for stunts when questioned on the border. watch. >> if the president is not taking time to visit the border during his trip tomorrow to a border state, will he do it in the new year? >> i addressed this last week about the president visiting the border, i will not go beyond what we laid out, we believe the question i was just answering to

your colleague in the back, is that what congressional republicans going to do to deal with this issue? instead of doing political stunts -- >> harris: okay, let's talk about that. >> marc: it is not political stunts, it is a real crisis. biden's failure to secure the border is bad for the country and also bad for him and his agenda, he wants to pass immigration reform in congress. you mentioned tillis and kyrsten sinema have a big to extend title 42, do something for the dreamers. we need to change our immigration system because we need legal immigrants coming in, we have 10 million unfilled jobs in this country, we have a labor shortage. >> harris: nobody says legal immigration is the problem, that is not the problem. >> marc: it is not, we need them. this border crisis is obstacle to expanding legal immigration issue the prerequisite for reform is secure border. >> harris: martha, when you come up with the kyrsten sinema and

tom tillis bill coming, we know republicans out there many do not want amnesty, is that something they could get off the bill there? >> mercedes: the american people are so frustrated they know there is no middle ground and they know there is middle ground. we have jobs that need to be filled in this country and you have common ground. maggie hassan went to the border, too, senator of new hampshire. there is opportunity here and it is sad and cheap political banter to not actually -- >> harris: i don't know why the president wouldn't want to get in on this happening on the ground. >> mercedes: negotiations have been happening. it is true, republicans have agreed to daca allowing for citizenship or daca negotiation, place to maybe find common ground. >> harris: you think that stays

on? >> it could, border security is biggest issue you cannot move democrats and they do not want to fund border security. >> harris: it is about constituency? is that too far to go? >> kamala harris ran on fixing the immigration system, two years later, waiting let for illegal immigration is over two years, so even democrats did, as well, clearly they don't care. >> harris: glad you reminded us what she ran on, she didn't get one delegate. >> important to clarify, bishop evans who died, that was earlier this year in april. >> harris: when you go to the border in eagle pass, you can see the memorial there on the riverside for him, it is really beautiful. there have been many children who have00 our men and women jump in to save them. coming up, the biden team first called the hunter biden laptop story a smear campaign and russian disinformation and now they are dismissing the twitter

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he would so haphazardly push this distraction, that is a full of old news, if you think about it and at the same time, twitter is facing real and serious questions about the rising volume of anger, hate and anti-semitism on the playoff and how they are letting it upon ha. we see this as an interest ing coincidence and it is a distraction. >> mercedes, for administration that claims to be deeply committed to rooting out and identifying misinformation, it is amusing they are calling this a distraction, it is anything, but. >> mercedes: when the press secretary, before she goes to the podium, you are sitting with the pres secretary and there are experts and staffers giving her advice what to say. i have to scratch my head and say, who is giving her this bad

advice, it is old news and a distraction, when we know clearly that what is being released is just eye-opening and something that i think really deserves serious investigation in congress, considering that for so long the fbi had this hunter laptop since 2019, they were involved in talking to twitter and facebook and saying, wait a second, you all, this could be a hacking operation, this could be disinformation, think about it, our government being involved in this potential scandal that now we're starting to see the facts, many in the campaign were not allowed to talk about to the media, that in and of itself is explosive and what you are seeing with the white house, they are getting nervous. this is getting too close to home for them and their answer, distraction, their answer, let's hone in on elon musk and hate speech. it is not going to work and i

think at the end we're going to see more coming out on this. >> in the shell game the puppeteers keep playing, they are ignoring fact members of their own party, even kahna said defending speech you dislike or speech that doesn't advance your interest is challenging, it is uncomfortable situations that principles call on us to protect free exchange of ideas and freedom of the press and the reason that fits nicely into this, for the reason mercedes just said, arms of the government, the fbi was mreeting with a playoff that suppressed freedom of the press, being the "new york post," for example, journalistic institutions that know what defamation is and they know exactly what liability is and therefore they would not proceed with printing unless they have done due diligence, but that happened and they were

still suppressed, this fits neatly into the box. >> marc: kudos ro khana saying that, great credit to him, it is not just that the government was doing it, joe biden spread this disinformation. donald trump asked him about this during the debate and he said it was a russian plant. that was a lie. nots only was it a lie, no one called him on it. cnn questions whether ron desantis was spreading russian disinformation by asking about that. and what happened, it allowed the entire media to ignore the story and they suppressed this, suppressed the "new york post," twitter never suppressed ayatollah, mick las maduro has a twitter account, chinese foreign ministry, cuban dictator has a

twitter account, "new york post" had its twitter account suss pended that is where we've come with social media in this country. >> and reserved up until then for child pornography, things everyone sees as egregious and this sunlight was quashed. >> harris: what you said, marc, about the president allows the press or wider media not to cover this, is that what is happening, though? i thought we had an independent free press, whichen moos we means we would cover everything and ask the questions no matter what answers the president prefer we give the public, if we're not free, what are we? is he trying to take that freedom away? our answer back to him, you can't have it, we're going to tell the whole story. with that disinfectant of sunlight is that what is going on twitter or has he opened the file and we can see it, we don't need light in the room.

it is so bold these receipts, you could read them in the dark. >> marc: this is why they are freaked out about elon musk taking over twitter, not they lost control of major social media playoff, they control every other social media playoff except for tiktok, which is controlled by the chinese party. >> harris: tiktok is controlling them. >> marc: exactly. they don't like losing control, he has the receipts and will expose collusion between the fbi, the former intelligence officials who should be hauled up to congress and have to testify and the biden campaign that suppressed this. >> back to where mercedes started this, they had the laptop since 2019, in the fbi, they had gone through it, i have to believe they had seen what is in there and said we are not going to be involved in another election, we are burying this, we know that from the

whistleblowers who came to grassley and weeks before the election start calling twitter and facebook and say be concerned about an expect hack and leak by state actors, they know it is not state actors, they know the laptop is real and they are spreading garbage and it is shut down. that is bad, that is really, really bad. somebody needs to answer for what happened here because that is so manipulative and so obviously controlling of the message that is getting out for the united states press, it is an unreal story, i think. >> investigations in this congressional chapter are vital and important, but watch for the media to turn the cheek the other way and not cover it issue but we will. coming up, florida governor ron desantis had a big year and seems liberal media just can't stand it. more on that next.

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>> harris: ron desantis team is firing back after latest liberal media attack on the florida governor, new media outlet explains that desantis quote, building his own media ecosystem in florida, it claims the governor is freezing out the mainstream press while enjoying luxury of giving interviews to outlets backed by gop donors. the press secretary tweeted it is not luxury to have print and corporate media stacked against you, conservatives have to fight back and accept biassed and dishonest media are entitled to attention or access, maybe this is what he was talking about. >> ron desantis makes no sense to me, gun safety advocates -- >> not just on this list, in general. >> by the way, that was a

blanket statement. >> zelenskyy on the cusp of winning the largest land war in europe against country 10 times its size, that is victory he has in his sights, ron desantis won miami dade county. >> harris: fighting against the media not on your side, do they not think that exists? >> martha: any time there is a republican candidate or leader, they will attack them regardless, regardless of the success. for example, in the case of desantis, where he was literally a landslide what we saw in florida and really the fact he's been able to take a purple state, turn it into red and motivate and win critical counties like miami dade that he won by 11 points. they don't criticize secretary of treasury janet yellen, but

definitely ron desantis, he can't get, they absolutely criticize him because they know he is the one that stands up against leftist media. >> harris: so many reasons janet yellen come out of your mouth, what do you mean? the one she said if you don't have abortion, black women and the fact they can't get abortion will hurt the economy and we will be the problem? is that an example? wondering which you mean. >> martha: they said inflation was temporary, that part, as well, she's brought really nothing to the table. you have ron desantis, who has become a wleader of the republican party and will be a force of nature going into the next two years. >> harris: emily, it is fear, too, ron desantis opposite of joe biden, if either run for the white house in 2024, i won't say he is half biden's age, that

would mean i can't subtract, but he's close and has a different perspective on the electorate, he's not hating half the people. >> emily: it is different in a smartphone and rotary phone. >> record player. >> emily: exactly. it is making a comeback. record players are endearing, i just find especially now as you take them in comparison to each other, prowess of leadership and governoring, positive impact on people's lives, intellectual clarity, verbal skills, communication skills and i appreciate his team is the same, reflection from the top down hits the nail on the head. you are calling it a luxury? this is what we have to do. we refuse to enable partisan left-wing media, refuse to acknowledge that access is denied us and somehow means that our value is less. we refuse to acknowledge the

self-agron disinformationment of the left-wing media and say self-proclaimed prom king and queen, i must bow at your feet, it is ridiculous. do your research, you say i haven't interviewed with cbs, multiple during hurrer ian, i refuse to do your -- tick by tick, lined up and actually refuted everything that was in the articles and i just find this is the tip of the iceberg as he goes forward, it will get uglier on their side. >> harris: you mention the word luxury, martha, something else popped in the comment about what conservatives face in the media, this idea on the other side of the political aisle, there is not just fan girling that goes on for democratic candidates among mainstream media, it is

complicity, even if they are not good for the country. how many liberal leaning journalists will push the president on the border and going to phoenix and not going to the border? no, it is not a 15-minute drive, you can learn a lot going from phoenix to the border, there is a whole lot to see. >> martha: for sure, i watch comments of the people, i think, it is not about you and what you think, it is about what the voters think and if you travel around florida, you will hear people say, i love our governor. i am amazed at the unabashed incynical nature of pretty much everybody i come across if florida who says, he did a great job on covid, our senior citizens were taken care of, businesses and schools were open, increased the tax base because people moved there. i think when i see articles written about how he's awkward and this is that, we'll see how

this works out in the primary process, all that matters is what voters think. can he leverage actions into votes? that is as reporters what we'll be covering and i don't care about the noisy stuff that people are shocked he could be considered person of the year, i don't think it is shocking at all. he's a rising star in his party and gotten a ton of attention and he should be on the short list. >> harris: and his state has had tragedies, that was the hurricane. >> martha: it is results that matter to voters and people on the ground, they don't care what they are talking about around the morning joe table. >> harris: that was hurricane ian, he galvanized rescuers from israel and was at the news conferences giving everybody a bite of the apple. your thought? mas >> marc: the reason they are going after him, he is a threat,

he won women by seven points and hispanic voters by 21 points, highest share of nonwhite vote in history and won palm beach and miami dade, which are democratic. >> harris: coming up california is looking to spend more than half trillion on reparations and there are other places in the united states that want to do something very similar, we'll get into it.

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>> there is growing push to hand out reporation after california proposed program with price tag of half a trillion that recommends 223,000 dollars to all slave descendants in the states for housing discrimination and lawmakers are pushing for something similar and rhode island wants to expand the program to include native

americans and they are in rhode island proposing using american rescue plan money, folks, which i looked up the way it was described. it is for covid relief, not anything else, that tells you how much extra money issic canning around, use it for that. trillions earmarked to keep the country going in covid, what do you think? >> marc: if you set out with a plan to destroy a state, you could not do a better job than gavin newsom in california, california is a state they ran out of u-haul trucks last year, because so many people were fleeing the state to go to texas, florida and other states where they had better business climate. to turn around and take half trillion of taxpayer money, 559 million, 286 million on the state budget, double the state

budget, 1.5 trillion unfunded pensions for people who work for california and they can't afford to pay it, to talk about layering on top of that. what about the poor people who are white and hispanic and struggling? you are hurting poor people in your state by driving business out of the state. you have policies that attract and retain businesses and people so that can you lift people up through better policy and free enterprise and hard work. >> socialism is great until you run out of other people's money issue right? >> harris: there is a lot of rescuing that needs to be going on, we have pediatric er's and people who need medication to bring down baby fever and we don't have enough, the baby formula crisis looms and last i checked, a lot of babies are babies of color. what is the medical infrastructure like for families in california? what is the support for homelessness they have in the

state? talk about helping some people who are in those categories of race diversity, which clearly this is what that is about to me, this looks like a vote to me, because all of those problems are existing across the board and if you want to help people, why not help hispanics and native americans and make it equality, why does it have to be about reparation and about fulfillment of expectations and having everybody go for the american dream. again, i think this is straight-up vote, he will have to prove otherwise, the way the living is in that state, the state is breaking and the livelihood in that state, peoplel leaving and things shut down during the height of the pandemic and it didn't do anything, but damage so on and so forth capitulating to the union, so much gone wrong in the state under gavin newsom, the loving person he is, breaking all the covid restriction rules

himself. i'm not saying people won't fight for the idea of reparations, do you even have the basics, can you go out and get baby tylenol today if your child gets rsv, covid, influenza a? i pray if it does, we have a lot to fix and he's not listening or paying attention what fixing it looks like. >> martha: dining out during covid thing, what about covid reparation for children who lost income-ability generating ability for probably the rest of their lives, will they cut a check to all the kids who missed all that schooling in california? >> mercedes: the whole plan is insane, there is way to do it, find programs that need to be funded and look at the african american communities, when dealing with poverty problem and incarceration, push criminal justice reform, get them out of jail, get them back to work.

dealing with the homelessness problem, the drug problem, so many crisis happening in states like california and new york, that should be the priority. >> emily: i cannot think of a more destructive, more disproportionate element of performance activism than this is, than it would be if it was implemented, it would cost three times as much to implement wlo they worthy of beneficiary. it is disheartening and typical of the democrats that they say they care about native americans, for example, why did it take president trump to sign savannah act that addressed epidemic of missing and murdered indigenous women and under president trump voting turnout and economic benefits and the like, seems this administration is only about performance activism, vote buying, when it

comes down to elevating american lives and acknowledging and asking what those souls want of every color, every creed, everything under the same stars and stripes flag, seems it is coming from the gop. >> question of whether you want to hand out or hand up and can you fix the state in a better way than handing out more money, which tends to not produce results it is designed for. >> marc: you will break it more. >> yeah. >> democrats are pushing for 16 year olds to get to vote, is that a good idea? coming up at the break. veteran homeowners: need cash? at newday you can borrow up to 100% of your home's value to pay down high rate credit cards, personal loans, even car loans. veterans get more at newday. okay everyone, our mission is complete balanced nutrition. together we support immune function. supply fuel for immune cells and sustain tissue health.

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will see you top of the hour. >> democrats have a new idea to get more voters, let's get teenagers, the city council in boston approved to let 16 year olds vote, in virginia, proposed change to the state's constitution to drop the age to 16. in california, a ballot measure would allow 16 and 17 year old to vote. martha, all due respect to those who sign up to serve military with guardian permission, i cannot imagine the genius coming out of the votes of these people. >> martha: there could be exemption for people serving in the military, under 18, that should be up for discussion. the democrats saw what happened in the las% lead in 18-29 group. so if you just look from a numbers perspective, if we go down to 16, we'll make that a bigger jump, that is a good leap

for us, i think it is a pragmatic push on part of democrats to expand their vote. they see potential with the roe v. wade decision which helped in the midterm election and they think this would be a good expansion of that to keep that motivator around for the presidential election, as well, could be beneficial for democrats. >> harris, thinking about age appropriate handout, here is your you can vote now, why don't they just make good policy and actually governor with real actionable results that benefit american lives see people will be like, yes, i will vote for your policy, why do they have to buy it? >> it is easier to do it the other way, if they work and shape it, that is hard work and doesn't leave you enough time to manipulate and run for office 50 million times. my oldest daughter turned 16 on friday and i think she probably

knows more than most kids because she lives in our household about politics, there are a lot of brilliant teenagers out there, your son, he is playing football and doing a lot of stuff. >> pretty smart. >> harris: kids are really smart. i want to encourage them to know about the electoral system and understand all of that, the reason i wouldn't choose for my children to begin voting at 16, i want them to experience service first, they have to serve this country, their community and make themselves valuable before they decide who will lead them. >> i love that point so much, it touches on the fact that genius and brilliance aside, it is experience that is important. how can you vote without knowing, as i was working with the homeless in my community, i saw x and i know we need y, it is experience that is important

and 18 has been there all this time. >> marc: it is also development of the brain, one thing people don't know is that the teenage brain is not fully developed until the early 20s and prefrontal cortex controls jchl and decision-making, which is why teens make such bad decisions, i shouldn't send my 16 year old out, make a decision. >> we've been talking in the past, student loan hand out and in this state, give votes to the million legal migrants here and the like, democrats have no shortage who they want to give votes to, i find loud, silence deafening on the parse of the incarcerated for administration and party that was dedicated to criminal justice, even though president trump got ittish mr.ed, that is a big voice, really important voice that here they are ignoring, as well.

>> mother of a 16 year old and 19 year old, their maturity level really different and i would say the 19 year old has a better sense where we are going in terms of civic education and responsibility to cast that first vote, i don't think the 16 year old has that maturity and that's a big issue. sense of felony and having people incarcerated voting, that divides party in a lot of ways and when they get out of jail to be able to cast a vote, they should be given that opportunity. >> recently laws allow jury service and eroding that up until now -- >> give them a second chance. >> exactly, for 16 year olds, let them grow with it. more "outnumbered" in a not m.

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