that so few are seizing on this significant in itself. gerry baker, always good catching up with you. a big sell-off today. i'll be exploring this tomorrow with ken fisher, an investor. why he's optimistic. that's coming up tomorrow. right now here comes "the five." >> hello, everybody. i'm jesse watters, along with judge jeanine pirro, geraldo rivera, dana perino, and greg gutfeld. it's 5:00 in new york city, and this is "the five." liberals soft on crime policies that encourage shoplifting leaving the horrible consequences. an 83-year-old grandfather and home depot employee gary razor was just trying to do the right thing and stop a thief from stealing over $800 from pressure

washers, but the lowlife shoved him to the ground, and weeks later gary died due to complications from that attack. the suspect is still on the loose medical examiner rules hs death a homicide. thieves in north carolina have a license to steal. if it's valued at less than $1,000, a shoplifter is slapped with a weak misdemeanor charge, not even a felony. gary's son is speaking out about the horrible crime. watch. >> just heartbreaking. my dad was just trying to do a job, right? and now he's -- now he's no longer with us. it's paramount to me and my family that we find this particular person. and that he receives the justice he so richly deserved. >> robberies are getting so bad in philly, a gas station owner had to retire kevlar

vest-wearing employees. the business owner tired from the n nonsense. >> tired of robberies, drug trafficking, hanging around in gang, forcing us to hire high-level security, state level. >> geraldo, they do tell you in these bigger stores, if someone shoplifts, let them do it. is maybe this is what happens? >> that's one way to handle the issue. the other is the way s aks handled george floyd, put wired fences around and armed guards like the philadelphia service station. the problem is there's been a repudiation of the social contract. in the old days, a little shoplifting here, a little shoplifting there, but basically people paid for what they took from these self-service stores. that's how they became so popular. it was an efficient way to do

commerce. now there's this casual callous reckless disregard for the law. the it is i'm going to do this, i'm going to do it. i think that you will -- the arc of history will solve this, because they will confront it with more and more of the armed guards. i remember in the old days, in the bodega -- judge, you probably remember this -- they used to put someone with a shotgun behind the cashier. you come in and. >>come and rob the bodega, aguyp there will be a violent response, because society can't sustain that arrogant disregard for the law. >> this guy is on the loose. there has to be video of him, because there's cameras in the stores, judge. hopefully we get him. >> well, i mean, if you have a law enforcement agency that has the ability to seek out

individuals as opposed to just enough law enforcement or police officers to handle the crimes as they come in. you know, you have squads that are looking for, you know, criminals who are on the loose. i mean, police have been defunded. they don't have what we used to have. even i could assign, among my criminal investigators, you're doing this, you're doing this, you're doing this. here's the issue -- and i just want people to understand this -- this guy, once he's caught, can be charged with homicide. >> sure. >> he can be charge with reckless homicide. there's causation between the injury -- the defendant will claim, if i did that to a 30-year-old he wouldn't have died. well, you take your victim as you find him. it's absolutely a homicide they're looking at this guy for. the problem is, we live in a society that is becoming, you know, more cold and more inhumane, criminals more emboldened. who's going to step up and do something about this, when we've got this social justice baloney,

they're proposing? i mean, at some point maybe we'll get to what geraldo is talking about, but i don't see it happening. when you have 10 robberies in chicago in two hours, criminals are on a high right now, and they know nobody is looking for them, nobody wants to arrest them, nobody wants to get in a fight. this guy dies because he tries to stop a guy from taking putin power washers, pressure cookers, whatever they were. then in california, this past weekend, a guy ends up coming out and shooting a guy who was stealing from this shop mart, or whatever. the guy shoots back at him, kills him, and they don't charge him with murder. they're saying it was self-defense. >> wow. >> what's happening is our society is now standing down. the laws protecting the stand-down, people when they see this, are stepping back, they don't want to get involved, they'll get shot and killed, or taking out their cameras. we're in a mess in this country. >> the thieves used to hit the warehouse or trucks.

now they just waltz right into the store, grab what they want, and stroll out of there. >> just like you with the christmas tree. taking a christmas tree home from fox. imagine the reverse. i don't know if this situation would play out, that mr. razor were alive, but the offendedder was dead. imagine how that would be covered, right? it would be, he was a vigilante, a victim of an oppressed society. this happens, barely a people. even with video like that, it's -- it is clear that businesses this large probably tell everyone not to get involved, that's what insurance is for, but to geraldo's point there's a message there. that message is contagious. rob these places until they move out. this is a slow roll looting operation. they don't care if these places leave. they don't care about the people that are suffering, because whether they're mini marts,

clothek stores being shut down, because of riots they never reopened. they don't care. so the thing is you have the insurance companies that are going to -- well, you know what, we don't want anybody to get hurt. at the same time, well, close all of these down. this is like a metaphorral snapshot of the last two years. no fear of r repercussions. we allow the media and activists to tell us that law enforcement is permanently stained. there's nothing you can do about it, right? even prisons. so this guy was a repeat offender, menace to society, already known, not in prison because we agreed with the assumption that prisons were somehow offensive. we should have less prisons, not more. we need more prisons, because right now we're in the eggs that are getting broken to make this

progressive omelet, you know. you know, where are reparations for victims? if we honestly believe that the origins of all of these problems are 400 years of oppression and slavery, right, and that caused us to change all of these policies, no cash bail, reduced sentences, where are the reparations? doesn't even matter the color of the skin for the criminal, where are the reparations for the victims that were killed, attacked, raped, by people let out, based on the assumption that all of these rules were racist or oppressive based on 400 years of persecution. that's an interesting lawsuit. >> well, i would hope that the executives at home depot would do right by this family. >> yes. >> and maybe give some restitution there. >> i certainly hope so. they shouldn't have to, right? where is the aarp? >> yeah. >> you know, who's standing up for him? in man was 83 years old. he loved to work.

he loved to go to work. his wife, i was reading an article, about how much she misses him. the son obviously misses him. the grandchildren are going to miss im. 83 years old, healthy enough to go to work every day. he was from the generation, as jimmy fallon pointed out, if they saw something they did something. then we were from the generation, if you see something you say something. and now it's, like, just pretend you don't see it. then order it from amazon, because you don't have to worry about going to a store and getting it. what's happening to the working class? the gentleman interviewed as the shop owner, forced to hire security, this is an entrepreneurial immigrant, in our country, who wanted to take a risk. he's doing everything that america is offering, and we are not holding up our end of the social contract for him. do you know, in washington, d.c., the candy is behind the

glasnow. so you have call a shop person to ask them to go behind to get you a snickers bar. that's how far this has gone. >> gives you time to think about getting the snickers bar. you don't want to think about it. >> that's the silver lining, jesse. >> it's very satisfying, if you haven't heard. i feel for this family. where are the associations? we always ask, where was aoc when women were being attacked in new york? >> you're right. when you go back to the idea of ordering everything from amazon, we've all retreated into our cubbyholes, and we don't have to go out there, except for this guy working. anything under $1,000, this guy had stuff around $800. it encouraged him. this fellow looks at him, that's a lot of stuff, and -- >> they can lower that. can they drop it to $400? the criminals know the law better than most people. >> for the most part it is. what's happening, prosecutors

are saying we're going to ignore whatever ceiling the law reads, and just say we're not going to prosecute those crimes. >> if they prosecute them at all, yeah. >> let's be clear. this is not shoplifting. this is manslaughter. >> good point. >> we'll continue to fo follow . coming up, the scrooges at the cd ready to ruin your christmas with their holiday covid rules.

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>> just when you thought the bs was over, the cdc now want you to wear masks with your santa hat. cdc director dr. rochelle wa

walensky encourages you to wear masks. l.a. is on track to bring back indoor mask manned dates. as we continue this forever pandemic, retiring fauci has no regrets. >> is there a moment of your career you wish you could do over? >> no. people will respond, does he think i'm perfect? absolutely i'm the first to admit i'm far from perfect, but do over, i can't see something i would do over. >> you're lying to yourself. he's replaced elf on a shelf as a persistent holiday nuisance. hehe's fauci on a couche. everybody has regrets. the smart empeople alive have regrets. >> this is such a politician answer. he says he's not a politician, but this is what you get from a politician. >> that's true. >> what have you done wrong?

i've done so many things right nothing comes to mind, because i can never admit a mistake. the b-roll at the top of the segment, a guy with a mask, behind a plastic divider, he's probably had covid a dozen times. i don't mind that we're suggesting that we bring the masks back, i don't like the mandate. that's my problem. newsom is in a tough spot, because if l.a. county officially brings back the mandate, what's he going to do? that's not going to look good for gavin newsom. if he's still following the science to mask mandates, that's bad. if 8-10 cdc workers are working from home, quarantining, quadruple boosted, they're supposed to know about being healthy, this isn't about catching covid, they just want to watch tv all day. >> geraldo, they said masking, and moved beyond covid.

they mentioned respiratory tillses, rsc. >> one of my grandchildren had rsc. rsv. it's a real thing. they say they will only trigger a maskdate if 10% of hospital admissions are related to covid or a respiratory disease. you have to 10% of the people in the hospital that are suffering from the malady before you even get to that. they say at worse it will be in the late winter. at best, they'll be -- with the boosters and everything else, they'll beat it. >> how much do you want to bet? >> let me be optimistic. christmas -- >> let me tell you something, when rochelle walensky says to get a good mask, fit it properly, all that, we know the fabric ones don't work. the paper ones don't fit right. do you know which one to wear? >> no. >> okay. here's the thing, once they

start recommending you mask, not just for covid, but the flu, you don't want to catch the flow, the respiratory illness, then it's easy to segueway to a mandated mask -- mask mandate. that's the easy slippery slope. i got to tell you, i'm not so sure that newsom would be reluctant to mandate the masks, because that's part of the democrat creds. i care about you. i care about grandma. i want to protect you. you know, to him that's a badge of honor. >> not nationally. not a good look in 2023. >> well, is reparations a good look? >> definitely, reparations. >> dana, i always see the glass half full. is this a great excuse not to see some relatives? it's the perfect time to say, look, i'm sorry, aunt what's her name, bertha -- >> sure. just keep it going. 20 years in a row.

>> i'm doing it for you. i can't put your life at risk. i do feel america has moved on. we've incorporated this risk with all the other risks that we deal with every day. >> one thing she said along the way, the last couple of days, where it was you shouldn't have to wait for a mandate to protect yourself. make your best decisions. i think that's where they should leave it. the public health community admitted -- in fact they did yesterday -- they're speaking from a communication hole, like the deficit is down there. they've to crawl out of that. if you suggest masks for some people, great, but america is not going there. did you see mental health challenges of teens in this country? 1 in 5 have had suicidal thoughts? 1 in 5? that's a crisis. look at the learning loss. that's not because they were doing zoom school, because they can't see anybody talking and it's a huge problem. the other thing is the government is saying, maybe your doctor as well, is saying the

flu vaccine is a good match this year against the flu. so if you got the flu vaccine, you also have to wear a mask? that mandate stuff coming back brings up all those angry feelings that people have about it, letting people make good decisions, based on their own experiences, the best way for them to go right now. >> there you go. you should run the cdc. >> the odds are 8-10 she'd stay home. >> that's true. you could do it from your couch. >> i'll be speaking in my personal capacity. >> yeah. up next, the media melting down over musk's files on hunter biden. tucker carlson has explosive new information on that next.

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>> new controversy swirling around the biden family after elon musk released internal twitter file on the company's suppression of the hunter biden laptop story. tucker carlson digging deep into this and the family's finances into a brand-new "tucker carlson originals:biden inc." here's a preview. >> we took the laptop, and we compared it to publicly known sources of information. the secret service had released hunter biden's secret service travel records at the request of the u.s. senate. we took the laptop, mentions of trips and travel, compared it to secret service travel logs. they lined up completely 100%. it was impossible that the laptop was fake. we identified four businessmen in the laptop. all four of those businessmen have links to the highest levels of chinese intelligence.

>> there's a preview. tucker joins us on "the five." lots of questions here. we'll start with greg with a question for tucker. >> what's on your originals that's not on fox, i was going to ask you, but i'm interested in you've lived in d.c. for a long time. you ran into hunter. you must have had some kind of interactions with him. how would you characterize him in your capacity? >> i knew him really well. i always liked him, a neighbor and friend. had dinner with him a bunch. we talked a lot about drinking. i don't drink. he was struggling with that. in the background, i knew, i knew people who worked with him in his business, that he was effectively selling access to his dad. >> yeah. >> i'll be totally honest about it, i never thought about it, because i lived in d.c. for 35 years, where people sell access to government officials. they're called lobbyists. that's the business of the city. i never really thought, wow,

that's kind of a crime, so i knew -- i didn't know the extent of it of course, but i remember someone who worked with him saying, wow, he's getting really, really close to, you know, what you shouldn't be doing, because it's criminal. turns out, based on what we know now from the laptop, that it was absolutely criminal. the reason we made the documentary was not to inform you that he was doing something wrong. everyone knows that. it was to take a long form piece and explain it exactly on the screen how we know this. it's not a partisan attack. it's not attacking the president's son. this guy shared a bank account with his dad while his dad was the vice president, his dad bringing him on chips, including to china, kicking back the money to his dad. that's not an allegation. that's shown on the laptop, which is why they suppressed it. >> judge, do you have a question for tucker? >> tucker, the frustrating part about all of this -- i'm curious were you think this all goes -- the first amendment is being pooh-poohed. now that this is out there, and elon musk has disclosed it,

they'rek, like, this is old news, no big deal. i mean, where is this country going with respect to the first amendment when it's politically instigated? there was a presidential campaign instigating censorship against the american people. >> well, of course. i mean, you're the judge. you know much better than as a legal matter. private companies arguably have a right to do what they want with information. the government may not under the bill of rights -- the first amendment to the bill of rights -- may not censor information, political information in particular. that's exactly what you had here. we've seen evidence, proof of the fact, that the fbi -- then the biden campaign and now the biden administration -- pressured social media companies, twitter in this case, to withhold relevant facts from the public on the basis of which people might cast their votes. so that's not an attack on democracy. i don't know how we're defining attack on democracy.

you can't have a democracy without a free flow of information. if i don't know about the facts about a candidate, i can't vote for them in an informed way. you can't have a democracy. they prevented the rest of us from knowing things, did it in secret, illegally, in contravention of the first amendment. it couldn't be clearer. >> geraldo? >> tucker, do you have an opinion about whether or not this information, had it been known, would have affected the result of the election? if you think it would have changed the result of the election, do you think that president trump was on to something, when he suggested that maybe we have to suspend all the rules and regulations, including the constitution, because it was such a colossal fraud? >> i'm not good at predicting political outcomes, i'm never doing that again, either looking ahead or retrospectively. i'm not going to do that again because i'm bad at it. as a matter of principle and

law, you're not allowed to censor information if you're a government official. you had the fbi, meeting with twitter and facebook, and lying, telling those two social media companies, likely google too, that this laptop, they believed, was russian. they had the laptop. they knew in point of fact that it was not. they lied. they're continuing to lie. the former general council of the fbi became the general council at twitter. jim bakker, we just learned about 25 minutes ago, was censoring even on friday the release of internal twitter documents. elon musk just fired him an hour ago. we have a problem with federal law enforcement, with the fbi, and we need to fix it. >> j >> jesse? >> the cia and fbi have known about biden inc. for years. why do you think the fbi and cia want joe biden to be president? >> that's such a deep question that i can't answer. i have all kinds of suspicions. it's obviously to have someone

you can control. we've seen this with richard nixon. tapes just came out showing this. here's what we do know -- at the very same time they allowed hunter biden to represent foreign governments, they're going after some of the most prominent republicans in america. they threatened rudy giuliani, right, steve wynn. just yesterday they indicted david riviera a republican officeholder. this laptop is a you just have to be an american who wants equal treatment under the law to see this is scary. >> tucker, thank you. see "biden inc." on fox nation now. straight ahead, prince harry prr

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it's about race. >> it's a dirty game. >> i realized they're never going to protect you. >> we know the full truth. >> the royal doc is already creating controversy and getting mocked, the trailer ripped as a victimhood fest, and the picture of harry and meghan markle being hounded by the paparazzi is actually a years-old snap from a harry potter premier. piers morgan not mincing words about the royal duo. >> they're manipulating a narrative that they're oppressed people, utter victims, where in fact they quit britain, moved to california, and live in a mansion, and trash the monarchy. >> okay. so, jesse, so now royals are getting an award in the united

states, they've taken a private jet to accept an award for fighting racism as the royal family is braced for fresh allegations. the other people who have gotten the award are obama, clinton, and the ripple of hope, there's another one in there. i forget who it is. are they deserving of an award? the seats are like a million dollars, which is crazy. >> you get a million dollar award for fighting racism? >> yeah. >> it costs a million dollar to attend? you don't get a million dollars. >> where tickets are selling for up to $1 million. >> they charge you to watch them get an award? >> yes. >> that's a real scam. i don't agree with scams. i think that's fraudulent. what i'm not interested in, these two people. i can't get excited about them. i like drama, especially family drama, especially racial family drama, but there's something

about this story, that when i see it in the newspaper, on the internet, i just don't care. i just turn the page. i really don't care. i'm trying to care, but i don't. >> but the truth is, dana, that a lot of people care about it. so you've got this people who reject their royal duties. they leave britain. they distance themselves from the firm. they expect to continue to have protection, money, and everything else. are they spoiled brats? >> oh, my gosh, yes, absolutely. let's also remember that meghan markle is an actress. okay? this is a documentary, where she's playing a role, saying she's sad about her loss of privacy. harry has a book coming out. you can see they are basically cutting themselves off from the royal family. she thinks she's in competition with kate middleton? to me there's no comparison. kate middleton is for the royal family, for service. never says a bad word about them. she's very dignified and

gracious. they're the opposite. >> you're so right about that. she compares herself to princess diana, greg. >> how dare she! how dare she! anyway, you know what differentiates this couple from other royalty, other celebrities, other power couples, you know, like me and jesse, on their face they are thirsty. you can see it on -- the desperate need for worldwide recognition. this is why you don't like it, right? he's the conduit for her desire for fame. her face screams why am is not bigger than oprah? that's what they want. at some point they'll have to figure out no one wants their curated take on a sanitized level. what's interesting is how awful you are. being awful is not boring. but being boring, that's awful?

if i want to see a mini series on the royals, i wait for a special. >> the truths is -- piers morgan wrote an article on this -- "17 lies that meghan markle said." let me tell you, this woman is so egotistical, she really thinks that the archbishop of canterbury married her three days before. he said, i never married them, never would have signed a license that said i married them. i'm not allowed. she takes on the archbishop of canterbury. >> both you and piers morgan are hard on these people. >> afghanistan 2008 i got there a week after him, prince harry. everybody said he was a -- he had the cajones, he endangered

himself, he was a hero, everybody liked him, the marines liked him. >there's also the racial aspect of this couple you can not ignore. the first time they have a woman of color, and the things about the -- someone saying about something what would color would the baby be? >> they never identified said it. say who said it. >> are you convinced that someone didn't say it? >> i'm telling you, they're proveable lies. >> when you start stereotyping this way -- >> i'm not stereotyping. >> -- you bl believe whatever te charges. >> it's about men with red hair. >> okay. that's enough. they're crazy. up next, a florida police chief forced to resign after trying to schmooze her way out of a schmooze her way out of a ticket.

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♪ ♪ what lengths would you go to get out of the dreaded traffic ticket? sometimes too far? tampa police chief was forced to resign after trying to pull rank on a deputy who stopped her from driving an unlicensed golf cart. >> is your camera on? >> it is. >> i'm the police chief in tampa. >> oh, how you doing? >> i'm doing good. >> okay. >> i'm hoping you'll -- >> you look familiar. >> yeah. i'm sure i do. >> okay. all right, folks. well, have a good night. >> the charm offensive worked. she was let off. her troubles were just getting started. the controversy erupted as the local media got ahold of the body cam footage, and found she violated her department policies on standard of conduct and abuse of position or identification. she's out of a job. give me a break.

what she did was wrong, but to fire her? >> i agree. i think firing her was a bit much. i think, you know, what normally happens is law enforcement would just say, you know, buddy, i'm a brother, or whatever. >> that's why the pda gives those out. >> here, i bought this, i went to a dinner. firing her was a lot. let me tell you something, every time i got stopped, which was not a lot, i used to tell them, give me the ticket. i don't want to be in a grand jury. just give it to me. >> i agree. >> doesn't everyone, when stopped say, come on, give me -- officer, what did i do wrong? officer, is there a problem? >> she has to do, show the badge next to the id. she doesn't have to make a scene about it. >> you're saying the corruption was okay, except for her technique? >> it's not corruption, if your laminated id is opening to the flap of the badge. you don't have to say anything. just present it. >> i rest my case. >> present it.

>> dana, please, isn't this cancel culture? >> for her? yeah. i do think especially amongst the police, it's, oh, gosh, please don't do that again. driving a golf cart without a license, give a warning. firing her is a little bit too much, but i think this happens all the time. >> tell me you've never been transactional. >> of course. you don't know how many buttons i've unbuttoned geraldo, late at night, coming out of a club. you know, the staring continues. he or she recognizes me, and then one thing leads to another. i don't want to get into it here, because it's a family program. i feel for her, but i do think it's wrong to be driving around an unlicensed golf cart. an unlicensed golf cart! >> in florida too. >> on a public road. >> at least minimum five years,

hard time. >> what about the husband? he's the one driving. >> she's the chief of police. not him. >> anyway, let's go. "one more thing" is next. with my hectic life you'd think retirement would be the last thing on my mind. hey mom, can i go play video games? sure, after homework. .sh ow.

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women here in america. the judge is going to tell you more about this. we love this jewelry. we wear this out, don't we, judge? >> judge jeanine: we do. last year so many of you bought same sky jewelry after we talked about it on the show. actually, dana. because of your support, 200 women and girls have a better future and that includes 200 low income new york women computer and technology training there she is francine 1500 formerly incarcerated women in new jersey go to a fluly recreated wellness center. stay in school to study math and science and women receive business training. this year for the holidays, five piece of same sky jewelry are donate to the same sky foundation at www.same sky.com. >> it's really fabulous jewelry. it makes for a great present. also, they have cuff links. >> judge jeanine: cuff listeners, necklaces. beautiful. >> dana: take a look thank you. >> greg: i could wear that out.

double message. all right. tonight, 11:00 p.m., martha mccallum, jimmy failla, chadwick moore and kat timpf, that's tonight 11:00 p.m. brand new. greg's nutrition tips. let's be honest in the holiday season research the average american gains 78 pounds. [laughter] >> dana: they do not. >> greg: 78 pounds. and this is why it is important. in between these wonderful holiday meals. wonderful. you should be having salads like this little fellow here. gal goes munching on greens there don't they look like little -- i don't know, people? >> jesse: look at the tails on those things. >> greg: ewalks. i couldn't think of it. each your greens like these little fellows here. >> tails are gross.

>> greg: don't tail shame him. >> jesse: joey jones chestnut the michael jordan of professional eating lost the shrimp cocktail eating contest on saturday. crews station won the competition 8 years in a row but fell the last year's runner-up jeffrey he is officer. took down 16 pounds and 16 ounces of shrimp in just 8 minutes. tonight, "jesse watters primetime" shark week is racist. "the washington post" has declared it's racist and we will have a full exploration. geraldo? >> geraldo: there was a party at my hotel on friday night last week. here's the tape. >> 3, 2, 1. [cheers] >> geraldo: peninsula hotel start holiday season by lighting the tree. it's my home away from home and has been since we came back from covid. it's great. there's the staff. wonderful people, ralph, helen

and sal they take such good care of me. if you are in new york, i recommend it. very friendly fox friendly, too. >> judge jeanine: it is a great hotel. peninsula all over. >> jesse: beautiful necklaces. >> dana: cuff links, bracelets and baskets. >> jesse: that's it for us. >> geraldo: what a day. >> bret: "special report." >> bret: very sad about joey chestnut and the shrimp cocktail. >> jesse: he will be back. >> bret: good evening, welcome to washington. i'm bret baier. breaking tonight a criminal conviction against the company owned by former president donald trump for tax fraud. the former president himself was not on trial. the company's former finance chief had already pleaded guilty to hatching what prosecutors called a 15-year scheme. so let's get details tonight in the fallout from senior correspondent eric shawn live from new york. good evening, eric.