this is >> moscow released her in a 1-to-1 prisoner swap. i'm bill hemmer live in new york. good morning at home. good morning. >> dana: i'm dana perino. this is "america's newsroom." breaking news changes everything. it is happening in the middle of the night, a very secret operation as you can imagine, very delicate. i'm sure the white house was concerned if anything leaked out there could be a disruption in

their plan. >> bill: a lot of questions for the white house. in july blinken revealed they made a substantial proposal for greiner and whelan. what changed in the past six months? >> dana: the dramatic prisoner exchange. russia is releasing greiner in return for a russian arms dealer viktor bout dubbed the merchant of death serving a 25 year sentence. bout was found guilty of conspiracy to kill u.s. sit stens and providing aid to terrorists including al qaeda and supporting armed conflicts. president biden spoke about the exchange a few moments ago. >> president biden: we never forgot about brittney and we haven't forgotten about paul whelan, it was not a choice of which american to bring home. we brought home trevor reid

earlier this year. russia is treating paul's case differently than brittney's. while we haven't succeeded in securing paul's release we haven't give up. we'll never give up. we remain in close touch with the whelan family and my thoughts and prayers are with them today. they have to have mixed emotion today. >> bill: reaction today. marie harf and jason chaffetz oversight committee chair and fox news contributor. marie, let's begin with you. i asked a question what could have changed that you give russia, at a time of war, one of the most prized individuals on behalf of vladimir putin and don't get greiner and whelan to come home in exchange for that? how can you concede? >> well look, first i think we need to say this is a really great day for brittney's family and diplomacy. the fact we were able to negotiate the prisoner swap

during an ongoing war. get brittney greiner home. a happy day. president biden made clear if we could have brought them both home we would have. we brought trevor reid home under different circumstances, now brittney griner and negotiations going on now for paul whelan. we don't have the luxury of negotiating with people we agree with. vladimir putin is very brutal and a tough negotiator. the fact that we were able to get brittney home. a trade no one likes to see viktor bout getting out of jail and going to russia. when you calculate risks versus benefits everyone made the decision that brittney coming home, getting released was worth it. i cannot -- the happiness on her family we saw today. the happiness on her wife it's worth it, bill, to see that.

>> dana: her wife cherelle said they won't forget the whelan family and continue to try to help all of them. that will be welcome. jason, there is a lot of joy for the griner family. when you think about the whalen family and how gracious they were in their statement. back in april when trevor reid came home they were taken by surprise that reid was coming home and their family member was not. the whelan family said they got a heads-up. what is the leverage if bout was the number one wanted person in the world in 2008 and this is the swap that you make, what leverage do we have to get we

lon back? >> it's a tough day for paul's family. i do think it's very good that griner is coming home. we paid a very steep price but to have her come home. no matter what you think about her, she is an american, she was detained, her sentence there in russia was excessive. let everybody be reminded this is russia and how they operate. but i'm thrilled that she is coming home. i think that's a very good thing. a lot of things happened behind the scenes. donald trump did this more than 50 times. he was really good at it. at least biden is able to accomplish this and it's a good thing. >> bill: a statement that dana referred to a moment ago. paul's brother. the statement from the family. no greater success than for a

wrongful detainee to be freed and for them to go home. this time u.s. government officials let us know that paul would be left behind unlike last april when they left him. if bad actors like russia will grab americans the u.s. needs to be prepared in advance. who is viktor bout, we ask? he is known as the merchant of death. convicted in 2011 currently serving a 25 year sentence in illinois guilty of conspiracy to kill u.s. scitizens and supporting armed conflicts. this was a high price to pay, jason said it. >> it is a high price to pay. unfortunately when you are negotiating with vladimir pua h price. the calculation behind the scenes is always is it worth it? clearly the biden administration thought it was. i also believe it was. but look, viktor bout will go back to a russia that's isolated. he won't be able to travel or go

anywhere around the world or access international financial markets because of the pressure that this administration has put on russia. since its invasion of ukraine. look, viktor bout is a bad guy. i was glad he was sitting in jail. going back to russia is not equal to being able to resume his activities around the world of arms trafficking. the russians have plenty of ways of getting up to mischief when it comes to arms trafficking without them and we are trying to counter them. these are tough decisions. these are not easy or clear-cut. in this case the administration judged it was the only way to get her home and that price was one worth paying. >> dana: stand by. thank you so much. we want to bring in michael allen who served on president bush's national security council and a form foreign police advisor and marie and jason will stay with us. your state department experience, walk us behind the

scenes. cherelle, brittney's wife, thanked a lot of people and more names if she had time. there were so many people behind the scenes. tell us about what it is like to have one of these negotiations behind the scenes at the state department. >> this was a really tough negotiation because of what is going on more broadly between the u.s. and russia. it is a negotiation the state department needed to accomplish because it is a distraction from the main priorities of the u.s. with respect to russia, to support ukraine and repel the russian invasion of ukraine. and russia and putin were using brittney as leverage. it was a show trial as the administration called it. there was no basis for her to be given the length of sentence she was given in russia. but because of the situation and the tension between the u.s. and russia, the negotiations were much more difficult than they

normally are. the u.s. and state department had basically identified brittney wrongly detained by russia and drove so hard to get her released. it is a big success not just for britt ne and her family but u.s. policy toward russia and support for ukraine. >> bill: let's come back to the phrase a big success. michael allen, welcome to the conversation. what is your reaction to the news not even an hour old? >> of course, it's terrific for brittney greiner's family to have her home but bittersweet not to have paul whelan coming home as well. the administration prioritize brittney over the whelan family.

the other question for me is who is it that the russians want to swap for paul whelan if they do at all? there are a variety of dissidents around the globe who have been honestly attacked and in some cases murdered by the russian regime and arrests especially in germany, i think of one there. i wonder if the russians are trying to get some of their people released from other prisons around the world in exchange for paul whelan or others wrongfully detained in russia. >> bill: fair questions. david back to you on the quote big success. the white house had to know they would come under pressure and likely public criticism because two people are not coming back and based on all the reporting we've had over the past year, that was their intent all along. and that did not happen, david. >> yeah, from all accounts, they wanted a two for one deal where

they would get whelan and greiner in exchange for bout. russia would not agree and why it took so long to get this deal done. we were hearing rumors that the brittney deal was on the verge of being completed months ago. whelan is accused of espionage in russia. likely a trumped-up charge. no evidence that he actually engaged in that. it was a political prosecution by russia again to get leverage. what he is accused of is a more serious crime than brittney greiner that made it more complicated for the u.s. to do a deal for him. i take the biden administration at their word they'll continue to strive for his release as well and there likely will be a subsequent prisoner exchange. >> bill: it's a bad deal, why do a deal at all? >> dana: i think one of the things is that as marie was saying she was there at the

state department when bout was convicted. this was a big success under the obama administration. the d.o.j. press release at the time said bout was convicted of conspiring to kill u.s. nationals. conspiring to kill u.s. officers and employees, conspired and use anti-aircraft missiles and provide material support to foreign terrorist organizations. that's one of the things you mentioned, marie, about perhaps when he goes back to russia he is not able to do all of those things again. maybe there are other bad guys in the world. marie, do you know what it is like for somebody who has been in a situation like this, like brittney has been held unjustified and we don't know in what conditions, but we can imagine they weren't great. when they transition back to the united states, are you familiar with the process of trying to get them back to their normal lives? >> yeah, dana, it's heartbreaking. we dealt with this with jason

and some of the hostages held by iran when we got them released. it is a process. president biden spoke about it today. we don't know the exact conditions she has held in but she has been exposed to trauma and she will have a process of healing. she will, her family will. a lot of people who want to hear her story. we heard from trevor reed soon after he came back. it has been a traumatic experience for her and her family. give her some space and grace to, you know, rejoin her family, to rejoin american society. i loved what her wife said this morning when she said we're going to use our voice to keep fighting for paul whelan and the others still detained. this advocacy by this family and by black women, by sports, by athletes and sports leaders, that is what helped keep her story in the news. so as she comes home and readjusts to life, i love that her family is going to keep fighting for other detained

americans while they are going through this really tough process. >> bill: on that, here is the comment from brittney's wife at the white house last hour. >> today my family is whole but as you all are aware, there are so many other families who are not whole and so b.g. is not here to say this but i will gladly speak on her behalf to say that b.g. and i will remain committed to the work of getting every american home, including paul, whose family is in our hearts today. >> bill: we hear that comment loud and clear. you talking about putin's motivations and his intention, the incentive he has for taking americans captive because that is what we've seen with both these americans now. paul whelan is in a military prison. he was in a military hospital. looks like he spoke to his family a week ago. he said he was in good spirits

and doing well, but how do you know on the other end? >> that's definitely the case. putin is, of course, cold blooded and brutally transactional. there is no doubt that he will come back at us with some large ask in some ways trying to free others around the globe that for now seem like a bridge too far for the united states and our allies. but i think that's -- biden said he is the president and has to make the hard calls. i think he will definitely be trying to get paul whelan home but, you know, you're right. we've set an example of it pays to, unfortunately, kidnap or jail american citizens worldwide if the united states is going to deal and otherwise swap hostages and prisoners with you. so i'm glad the president also said read the warnings about which countries you are going to

around the world and be very careful about where you are going. i would have -- i wouldn't go to russia if i were many american citizens today. >> dana: jason, could you talk about that as well? >> yeah, listen. the threat is very real. vladimir putin is more than a thug. he is a dictator. he is every negative thing you can possibly think of. i'm happy an american is coming home. i think she would have died in that custody. i think she lost nine months of her life and it is a very, very high price to pay and i do hope that she will use her celebrity to continue to pound on whelan. the squeaky wheel does get a grease. there could be other negotiators out there, other prisoners in other countries that are high-value targets for putin to bring home. i think there is a way to do this if the will continues to be there. >> bill: this whole idea of

setting the example that michael was referring to there. when you think about the taliban five for bowe bergdahl do you lay the foundation for other world leaders to take note and learn from it? >> unfortunately repressive regimes have been doing this for a long time. iran does, taliban did. russia does right now. there is a long history of this. the u.s. is in a very difficult circumstance. we want to bring our citizens home. they deserve to come home when they are charged and sentenced in ways that don't follow the rule of law. notably the u.s. didn't change any foreign policy. i'm sure russia would have liked to trade her for the u.s. not in ukraine anymore. the u.s. didn't do any of those things. this is within the realm of what

countries development exchange prisoners with prisoners. you don't feel good about it. bout was a bad man. he deserved to serve every year of his 25 year sentence. notably he did serve more than half of that sentence and he is going home only because brittney didn't deserve to be in a prison. >> dana: this just is something that i wondered about and i know you well enough that i can throw this at you and you can tell me that i'm crazy or whatever. president zelensky this morning thinking about the leverage that we don't have now with viktor bout. your thoughts on that. >> yeah, i think it shows zelensky again putin can negotiate when he feels like we're dealing with leverage when he is dealing with leverage and power. we had somebody that putin

wanted. i took someone in order to swap. i think it has other lessons we'll be able to learn over time about when we get into negotiations, we the royal we thinking of ukraine and the rest, when they get into negotiations with the russians. i think zelensky knows he has to have serious leverage in order to get anywhere with vladimir putin in a negotiation. and that has repercussions about how much territory he will want to take in the upcoming spring offensive in ukraine. >> bill: thank you all for joining the conversation today. just to put a final word on this and we'll get more information in the morning and afternoon. whelan is from michigan, he is charged with espionage. viktor bout, he was an international hunt for him. he was seized in a sting operation in thailand led by the u.s. drug enforcement agents posing as revolutionary armed

forces of columbia. that's how elusive he was. and then there was negotiating back and forth and ultimately for us to take custody of him. as we mentioned a while ago he had been in the jail in marion, illinois. he set off a string of stories. a hollywood movie was made about him. 25-year sentence on charges he conspired to sell tens of millions of dollars to kill americans. >> dana: my last year as press secretary he was the most wanted person in the world. that said, brittney griner was the most wanted person in the world to come back to her family. whelan's family hopefully are assured they are not forgotten and cherelle and brittney won't let anybody fall by the wayside

after this true victory for them. although as one of our panelists said. a steep price to bay but britney griner on the way home. one where she needs privacy with her loving wife and the rest of her family as she returns to hopefully a life of normal. >> bill: viktor bout is headed home as well. it's breaking news. >> dana: a possible break in the case of four murdered university of idaho students. police are looking for a white 201300 die elantra near the home around the time of the murders. alexis is live in idaho. >> that vehicle that we're talking about is pretty much the newest information we've had in a few days on the scene. investigators tell us the white car was spotted near the home in the early morning hours around the time that these students

were brutally murdered in moscow, idaho. you look at stock pictures that are examples of the make and model of what police are looking for. it's an elantra but no license plate. they want the talk to the person or persons who were in that vehicle because they believe they could have vital information. this new information comes as we just had a tour of the idaho state forensics lab. look here and you can see in the video that we were able to see some of the tools up close and personal that they are using in this case by state police to try to process the evidence found at the scene. this is a team of highly-skilled scientists that have more than 100 pieces of physical evidence and 4,000 crime scene photos to go through. a lot of work there. the evidence is coming from anything from lifting fingerprints to taking the testing on the blood or bed sheets to blood spatter or even a single hair. could be something so small. they don't have to have the murder weapon. they still believe with these

scientists they can crack the case. >> the smallest piece of evidence. smart scientists and investigators sitting in a room looking at a piece of evidence and saying what about this? >> we know this was a gruesome and complicated crime scene for investigators. labs tell us the swab and test the blood to check how many people's dna is on there and find out if that blood is mixed in with someone else's. to find out who it is they have to run it through one of their labs and they explained that to us. listen. >> if you have a mixture of multiple individuals' dna it will take longer because it takes an expert scientist trained in mixture interpretation to be able to look at that type of sample. >> it's complicated stuff going on inside the lab. they tried to break it down for us. moscow p.d. spent two hours

packing up belongings inside the home. dozens of boxes they will give back to the families. as they are releasing new information at the police department behind me, this is also a step forward for the families to get a little closure. the killers still not behind bars. if anyone has information on that car police want to talk to them. >> dana: we'll talk to you as we get more information. >> bill: 24 past now. the company behind the most downloaded app in the world is being sued. indiana the first state cracking down on tiktok as the federal government warns of national security concerns surrounding the chinese-backed company. edward lawrence has the story live on the north lawn. hello. >> good morning. indiana suing over privacy concerns as well as the state alleging the app addicts children. texas is the latest state to ban the app on state devices and some of the other states banning this app. south dakota, nebraska,

maryland. south carolina and wisconsin on that list are also asking the governors of that state in order to do the same, follow suit there. i asked the white house about the federal government. listen. >> i'm not going to comment on tiktok while the committee on foreign investment in the united states is reviewing it. the biden administration is focused on the challenge of certain countries including china seeking to leverage digital technologies in america's data in ways that present national security risk. >> generally the white house is concerned where we were in 2019 when the previous administration came close to a ban on tiktok over data accessed by the chinese government. president biden ended that review. author of the 100 year marathon said it is part of china's long game. >> what's important is this overall strategy to get

everything about america on digital memory so that to ask a question or to trace patterns, they will have the data there. even future software, future artificial intelligence can be used to process data that's collected over a 10 or 15-year period. >> a spokesperson gave me no comment about when the review will be finished. >> bill: maryland is the latest state to take action. governor hogan joins me now. anyone who works for the state cannot download the app. is that the order from your office? >> yeah. we had really serious concerns about grave threats and potential for cyber espionage and the f.b.i. director, we are also the home to nsa and u.s. cyber command. we have ongoing discussion with the state and federal leaders. federal government is slow to

act but there is no question there are real threats. we made the recommendation that we should immediately take action. just 1 or 2 state employees that were using tiktok on their state devices could have compromised a lot of very important information. >> bill: what are you afraid of, governor? what concerns you there? >> well look, we already know for a fact that hackers associated with the chinese government were able to break into federal and state systems during the covid crisis. and were able to steal hundreds of millions of dollars of dollars in the unemployment fraud. we were the first state to uncover and stop all these intrusions. we had a half billion dollars worth of potential fraud in our unemployment insurance during covid in maryland we notified the federal government, who then notified all the other states. i think 28 states were impacted and they didn't catch it in

time. billions of dollars wasted. >> bill: that's a clarion call. christopher wray last friday at the university of michigan said. all these things are in the hands of a government that doesn't share our values and that has a mission that's very much at odds with what is in the best interests of the u.s. that should concern us. the chinese government has shown a willingness to steal american's data on a scale that dwarfs any other. greg abbott in texas did it yesterday. nebraska, south dakota, south carolina. >> i'm wondering what the federal government is waiting on? they're the ones issuing the warnings and talking with our leaders at the state level but not taking action. as you were talking about in the lead-in. the trump administration wanted to take this action and was stopped from doing so. we're now three years into this, you know, this investigation so to speak when everybody knows about the concern, issuing

warnings. the president could take the exact same actions that i took and other governors have taken at least with the whole federal government agencies and systems and employees and then there is discussions on capitol hill about the potential to take some action by congress. but there is a whole lot of talk and not a whole lot of action which is why we decided we had to move forward. >> bill: have you been contacted by other governors or have you reached out to them? >> actually i haven't. i know our teams are talking with nearly all the other governors and the federal -- our leaders of our cyber warriors are all talking to each other. but i haven't yet had the opportunity to talk with other governors. >> bill: interesting what you say about the white house. they could issue that order this afternoon if they wanted to. hopefully before it's too late. >> they probably should. >> bill: very good examples. thanks for coming on. larry hogan, the republican governor from maryland. thank you. >> dana: democrats calling on the biden administration to do

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about something called stagflation. that happens when you combine a high inflation rate with slow economic growth. maria bartiromo earnings mornings with maria, good morning. this has been on our radar right now. what are you hearing from the people in the know? >> let me say this is exactly what larry summers has been talking about now for over two years, stagflation, the idea persistent inflation combined with slow or no growth at all and it is what people are talking about. i had mike wilson from morgan stanley on and he said away from energy there is no earnings growth. you are only talking about growth in earnings in one sector. the rest of the earnings picture in the s&p 500 has seen earnings eaten by inflation. we're going into the new year with expectations we'll see a sharply slower economy, perhaps a severe recession if you listen

to jamie dimon or brian moynihan. he said recession for sure. it's a debate if it will be severe or something that is not noticed by all. but we are going to see slow growth, we'll see employment go higher. that's what we're seeing now. inflation, even though it's off the highest levels of the year, it is still pretty elevated and when i said when you go inside the producer price index, the things we buy are much higher than 7.7%. a dozen eggs is up 43%. that's a serious number. >> dana: and people buy it every day so they're feeling it every day. the markets also feeling it. markets today with the dow down, s&p down and nasdaq down. that affects people's 401ks as they look at the end of the year and feel like they are know a hole. >> alan greenspan used to call

it the wealth effect. when the market is going up you feel richer and like maybe i can spend a little more on this. when the market is going down, it's the opposite and you are feeling financial stress. many american fame -- families are feeling financial strength. slowdown in earnings, slowdown in economic growth, increase in unemployment. >> dana: they hear recession they think possible job loss. many companies are announcing layoffs two weeks before christmas. >> particularly in the tech sector. pepsi the other day as well. >> bill: wal-mart says shoplifting in america right now is so bad we're looking at $4 hundred million in losses this fiscal year alone. target is talking about it, too. is it really that bad? >> crime is spiking across the country and there are no consequences. go to your local cva and

walgreens everything is locked up. toothpaste is locked up. people are going in, filling bags with stuff and walking out. there is no consequence for these crimes. wal-mart is feeling it and they'll have to raise prices. that is adding to inflation. let me just say that right now congress is negotiating a year-end omnibus bill. it will be more spending. from a a congress that is actually on their way out. the republicans are pushing to say let's leave this until the new year and just do a continuing resolution so we can actually do the spending and stop some of the reckless spending. we haven't seen an admission of that. >> dana: in addition to the stores being robbed, you can lock things up behind but some stores are closing together. cvs announced they plan over the next decade to close a lot of stores and what happens? you have an empty retail space and that becomes a blight in your neighborhood or on your

street or in the strip mall and the people who make decisions in this country they just get it online anyway. they are buying toothpaste delivered to their door. they don't have to worry about going to the store. that's not true for a lot of people in the country. >> there are so many ramifications of recession, whether it be a slowdown in shopping and a slowdown in economic growth or store closings and job losses that way. so far the labor market has been so tight. in other words, there have been so many opportunities for jobs and employers can't find a people to put in those jobs, that tight labor market has off set some of the feeling of a recession. so that has hidden some of the cracks under the system. i think that's changing going into 2023 and we are expecting a pretty tough economic back drop for the first half of the year. some people are expecting the fed to start cutting interest rates in the second half of the year. mike wilson just said that to

me. he expects the fed to start cutting the second half of the year. if the economy becomes that slow the fed will change its posture. that's why we saw a rally in stocks in october and november thinking the fed is almost done. >> dana: as we say goodbye to you everybody look at the holiday price hike on the screen. it's a lot, right? candy is up, delivery services, gift wrap, toys and games up 6.7%. >> they have to generate revenue somehow. it will mean higher prices. >> bill: maria bartiromo. maria b, do you like that? >> i love it, it's fine. >> bill: it works. >> it's great. thanks. >> dana: censorship at twitter going to the corner office. the internal documents released earlier were hidden from jack dorsey. who is calling on his successor to pull back the curtain completely? it would be jack dorsey.

griff jenkins is live in washington with more. it feels like he was an absentee landlord and he wasn't minding the store? >> it's unbelievable. good morning. it has been a week almost since that initial dump of the twitter files but now you have elon musk responding directly to jack dorsey's call for transparency. here is what musk said to that call saying most important data was hidden from you, too, meaning dorsey. some may have been delighted. everything we find will be released. this comes after musk fired jim baker, the former f.b.i. lawyer turned twitter deputy counsel holding up the release of files before giving them to the journalists. "new york post" columnist miranda devine who broke the hunter biden lap stop story says baker played a significant role in suppressing information. >> and then he stopped at twitter five months before the election. it looks very much as if his

role was to be the gate keeper for any information that might be detrimental to joe biden. >> karine jean-pierre talked about the hatch act. >> of course it's up to these companies to make their own decisions about the content on their platforms and to insure content follows their own standards and policies. but i'm not going to comment on a decision that was made during the campaign. >> incoming house oversight committee chairman comer sent letters to baker and two other twitter employees to appear at a public hearing in the new year. we'll see what happens there. as for the next dump of files we expect it will come from bari weiss but no date or timeline when it's coming. >> dana: i hope she has a podcast about it, too. >> bill: house financial services committee chair maxine waters says her committee may

subpoena the disgraced ftx chief sam bankman-fried. he hired the attorney who represented maxwell. kelly o'grady follows this out of l.a. where are we going now? good morning. >> that representation coming not a moment too soon for sam bankman-fried. there has been a lot of criticism shown to representative waters over her approach to ftx thus far. she praised the founder for his candidness about what transpired. she tweeted lies are circulating i am not willing to subpoena sbf. he has been requested to testify at the hearing. subpoena is on the table, stay tuned. he hasn't been shy about speaking to the media but he will only talk to washington when he has more answers. >> some of this is going to depend on what they want to ask about and hear but, i would want the feel like i was in a

position where i could give, you know, kind of, you know, fairly complete answers to their questions where, you know, i wasn't left saying here is my best guess. >> curious given his defense has said he had complete lack of knowledge but ftx is called to testify at a senate committee with probably more teeth than the other one. you must answer for the failure of both entities that were caused by the clear misuse of client funds. i'm prepared issue a subpoena to compel your testimony. federal prosecutors are investigating whether bankman-fried manipulated the market that would have caused the crash of two crypto currencies earlier this year. ftx and alameda research may have used customer funds to amass enough money to do that. the deadline to respond to the

senate hearing invite is 5:00 p.m. today. well oh he see if he speaks out. >> dana: i like when she explains it to us. >> bill: who is watching the shop, jack dorsey at twitter and sbf at ftx. >> dana: if you weren't doing your own job and responsible for people's livelihood. bankman-fried wanted swift to help him out. sam bankman-fried lobbied for swift deal. there is a quote from former executives saying the deal would have been a disaster and an example of bankman-fried not listening to advice. >> bill: did he ask for tickets along the way? i'll cut the line here. >> dana: ticketmaster is not going to call sam bankman-fried. a smart girl east guide to body

image goes it transgender issue. if you question your gender identity you and the doctor might talk about wearing the clothes and using the pronouns that make you feel like the most true you. if you haven't got through puberty yet the doctor might offer you medicine giving you more time to think about gender identity. it is marketed to kids between 3 and 12. mercedes schlapp is the mother of girls. we talked about this on the gutfeld show last night. i did research. let me look at this book. is it being overblown? i read it and my jaw was on the floor. i could not believe some of the things. we pointed out it says if you think about shaving. talk to your parent. if you question whether you're a girl at all there is an organization that can help you.

basically saying don't ask your parents about it. what do you make of all this? >> first of all you knew me before i had the five girls. think about that. but i was shocked when i read the article, when i read the pages in the book just like yourself. i mean, it is i think such an outrage and such a disappointment because so many of us who have girls, the girls on the christmas list would put down mom, please, i want an american girl doll and the book. one of the things that you would like about this company was the fact that they would hone in on girl empowerment. these characters, these girls, samantha, felicity had incredible stories of empowerment and being a survivor during difficult historical times. and now this has turned into let's promote puberty blockers, something we know the fda is putting warning labels on and

also cautioning against brain swelling and the fact that it causes vision disturbance and all the horrible medical consequences of moving forward with these dramatic changes to their bodies. so why is a doll company deciding to basically betray their very own mission of supporting young girls and their growth? >> dana: fox digital talked to a couple of people who have gone through the transition and now they're detransitioning. listen to them here. it says this we should strive to convey to young girls that they can be whatever kind of girls they want to be in the bodies they have. another one from luke heinz. gender ideology has become increasingly predator toward young girls and books like that are only adding to the predator nature of that. i am assuming raising children is not easy. having the talk with them is not easy and you have to figure out your approach.

that's something that you and your partner and husband you figure out and you do that and you don't necessarily want to turn it over to somebody else and outsource that. i could imagine there are parents who think the american girl brand is one that i trust. i buy the toys. maybe this book i will throw it in the stocking. they might not ever read it. >> you're right. it is hard enough for any girl to go through puberty or any teenager to go through puberty. add to that the pressure of adding this confusion on your body image, on if you don't look a certain way well that means you should probably think about medically changing your body. it is sick and twisted. the mere fact that you have a company that parents and so many children have enjoyed through the years as my daughter said as i talked to her about this article today, she said you know, it's about the classics. it is a classic company. i've enjoyed reading those books. i've seen the movies. they were so inspirational to me

when i was growing up. to then include this i think very distorted and disgusting view of how girls shouldn't be proud of their bodies in the sense that if you are not happy with your body, go ahead and medically change it and by the way, if you don't trust the adults, we'll give you a list of organizations. american girl company needs to step away, parents should boycott this company, which i think is very unfortunate, because they did do good work. but moving in this direction i think is dangerous for not only these children but for our society and they shouldn't be promoting this agenda in any way. >> dana: mercy schlapp raised five girls and two dogs. >> yes, the two dogs keep me sane. >> dana: good to see you, thanks. >> bill: biden administration appealing a judge's ruling that struck down title 422 weeks before it ends. the status for that coming up.

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>> dana: we're getting closer to the end of the year and time for an annual tradition, finding out what the most searched term on google was. the answer is -- wordle. coming in second was election results. i added the that. i never googled wordle.

election results constantly. my husband plays the game. loves it. i haven't gotten into it yet, have you? >> bill: a little bit. my youngest sister loves it. she will send me her results. here it is, beat that. >> dana: it's too much stress. too much pressure every day. bill never releases his results. >> bill: they keep them. they're pretty good. >> dana: have to get on the text thread. >> bill: i guess you could call it decoration inflation. the price of deck the halls is rising. the christmas display, look at that thing, wow. set to jack up your already-high electric bill. grady trimble is in illinois south of chicago at a home probably feeling the pinch. what's going on there? >> bill, the biggest light display i have ever seen, 200,000 lights, 400 figurines.

even if your display at your house isn't this elaborate you'll pay more this year. electricity is up 14% from a year ago. i want to show you a graphic because lights, wreaths, scented candles are up 15% from a year ago. dominic is the mastermind behind this house doing it since the 90s. inflation was increased a lot since then. i hesitate to ask what your electric bill is when you do this compared to a normal month. >> this goes up to about $1400 for the christmas month. up from $3 hundred to $1400. >> it's for a good cause, you donate to charity and we mentioned figurines and these top of holiday decorations are more expensive than a year ago. you add to this every year. i'm sure you pay attention to how much you spend each year to

upkeep. >> we spend probably $5 to $10,000 to upkeep and adding things even without adding new. prices are through the roof right now. it's crazy. >> if you decorate, you decorate. with the higher prices like holiday shopping people are willing to do it because it gets you in the christmas spirit. >> nothing does more than this house. >> bill: i always wonder where they store it after the holidays. where does it go? grady, thank you. >> he owns a construction company. it gets trailed off site and storeed in trailers during the 11 other months of the year. >> bill: thank you. >> president biden: she is safe. she is on a plane and she is on her way home. this is a day we've worked toward for a long time. we never stopped pushing for her release. it took painstaking and intense negotiation. >> dana: president