don't bring the dead dog to the restaurant. >> i got fired from one job at a pizza, i failed to go in, i thought i was working on a wednesday, it was a tuesday. hardest job i've ever had. >> for all the reasons emily just mentioned. restaurants are always looking for people to be there. glad you joined us, set your dvr if you can't be here. "america reports" now. >> sandra: grand jury report confirming what many parents were saying all along, some districts put their own interests ahead of students who are now in some cases paying a heavy price. >> john: saying loudoun county school district failed at every juncture when responding to a young victim of sexual assault,

failed to prevent a second student's assault by the same attacker. costing one person's job, but do more heads need to roll. we are speaking with scott smith, the father of one of the assault victims along with ian pryor coming up on "america reports." >> sandra: first john, a live look at the white house briefing room, where we see that a white house briefing is underway at the 1:00 hour on the east coast. we are waiting for reaction in that room from the biden administration on the high level prisoner swap with russia. press secretary karine jean-pierre is facing questions. we will get into the room when she takes questions on this issue over the president's decision to hand over the world's most notorious arms dealer in exchange for wnba star britteny griner. serious concerns what russia received in return. >> john: good to spend friday eve with you, john roberts in

washington. griner is on her way home after she was sentenced to nine years in a russian work camp on drug charges. >> sandra: the one for one swap is coming at a high price. russia is getting back viktor bout, better known as the merchant of death as it continues the war on ukraine. >> john: all of this, as the fates of three other american prisoners, including paul whelan, are unclear. >> russia is treating paul's case differently than britney, and while we have not succeeded in securing paul's release we are not giving up. we will never give up. >> sandra: lucas tomlinson is live at the white house, the briefing is underway, we will get there in just a moment. where is griner heading right now, lucas? >> sandra, u.s. officials say britteny griner is on her way to a medical facility on the way in

texas, following ten months in a russian prison. antony blinken spoke. >> we continue to work relentlessly to bring paul whelan home as well. the russian government has not yet been willing to end his wrongful detention, they insist on sham charges of espionage and are treating paul's case differently. as a result, paul and his loved ones continue to suffer needlessly and unjustly. this was not a choice of which american to bring home. the choice was one, or none. >> the 32-year-old wnba star britteny griner was arrested in february and held on drug possession charges for bringing vape cartridges with cannabis oil to the moscow airport where she was going to play russian pro ball. sentenced to nine years of hard

labor, arrived at a penal colony. viktor bout, some say has ties to russian intelligence and known as the merchant of death. arrested in 2008, convicted in a manhattan courtroom in 2011, conspiracy to kill u.s. citizens in colombia, after selling weapons, including 800 surface to air missiles to a terrorist group to shoot down a military helicopter and killing american soldiers and operatives. some lawmakers are wondering what happened about freeing u.s. hostages saying start with those taken first. sandra. >> lucas tomlinson live at the white house. dip into the white house press briefing room, karine jean-pierre is taking questions on that. >> to secure his release and want them to do it in good faith. >> your reaction to paul

whelan's own words, he told a colleague he does not understand why he's still sitting there, he's greatly disappointed that more has not been done to secure his release, so can you respond directly to him? can you assure him that you are in fact now doing everything you can? >> look, i would refer you to the words of the president himself, right. this is something that we are committed to doing, and again, i'll repeat this, because the president said this and this is just repeating the president as well, he understands how difficult a time this is for the family, paul's family. he understands that. there are mixed emotions today for them. they also said that they were proud to see, you know, britteny griner come home today and the president is going to do everything that he can as we have seen him do many times across the time, his tenure in the administration to bring paul home and so this is a commitment that the president is giving to the family, and to americans.

>> does the president have any plans to speak with whelan's family or paul whelan himself? >> so as he said himself, he's looking to -- he's looking forward to speaking to the whelan family today or when they are ready to have that conversation. he is open and ready to communicate with them. >> does the president have any plans or expectation for him to meet with britteny griner? >> i don't have anything to preview at this time. our efforts right now, our focus is get home safely and to get her back to her family, to her team. >> sandra: she is en route back to the united states at this hour, tracking those developments and will continue monitoring this briefing from the press briefing room, john. peter doocy is in that room, he'll likely be able to fire off a couple questions as well, we hope, and we will get to that when that happens. bring in kentucky republican senator rand paul. you were listening to the press

briefing, what is your reaction to what you are hearing from the who us? >> i think it's good news that the basketball player is being released. nine years of hard labor for drug possession is a ridiculous charge. but i think also russia needs to realize the other gentleman being kept on trumped up spy charges, if he wasn't a spy, i have no evidence he was and if he was a tourist, if russia does not want americans to visit russia, we have a huge tourist trade, america takes our dollars all around the world and if russia does not want americans to visit and they are going to arrest americans, this hurts russia. so, russia needs to reconsider this, and unless i'm presented with evidence otherwise, i don't have any evidence to believe that the young man was anything other than a tourist. >> sandra: viktor bout, the merchant of death. a one for one swap. he was convicted in 2011, senator, he was serving a 25-year sentence. he's guilty of conspiracy to kill u.s. citizens and providing

aid to terrorists. accused of supporting armed conflicts. you look at this swap and you wonder what message this is going to send to our adversaries. >> yeah, definitely, you know, having a celebrity being equivalent to a killer or an arms merchant, you know, easy to see this does not seem like a fair trade. but it's also hard not to rejoice in the freedom of an american unfairly charged as well. so i know it's difficult in making negotiations like this but you would have thought that somebody that was a good negotiator should have had the other gentleman released as well, so at least two for one, since none of ours are accused of arms dealing or anything related to the possible death of other citizens. so on the face of it, it does not appear to be a great swap. but it's also hard not to be happy that this young woman have been freed from something that is incredibly unfair, nine years in prison.

>> sandra: indeed, paul whelan, we just spoke, mark fogel and others. this is obviously, you know, this is a huge mission for this white house. britteny griner comes home, they are still there. paul whelan's brother reacted to griner's release. here is a bit of it from earlier. >> any time an american comes home it's wonderful news, i'm so glad for her. we worry about what's in paul's future. i think it's clear the u.s. does not have concessions the russian government wants for paul and so i'm not really sure, i'm not really sure what the future holds. >> sandra: it's probably a very, very scary thing for that family to see this happen, they said is a great thing just like you did, senator, but they don't know what is going to happen with their family member. what do you want to see happen? >> i think he made a good point. they don't believe we have anything to trade. we have thousands of sanctions on russia, we keep piling them on and i know there's a purpose, we want them to change their

behavior. of the thousands of sanctions, surely a minor one or something we could trade. for example, i've been offering for years that we should trade the travel of their legislature, their duma, let them visit america, and diplomatic and legislative exchanges are good, even that does not happen. i think of the thousands of sanctions there has to be one that leaves in place many other sanctions that could be traded for the release of this gentleman. that's why i think we have to always think more clearly about how we unwind sanctions. everybody is for sanctions, everybody puts them on, but the only leverage of sanctions is actually offering to the removal of them in exchange for something. i think we have something to offer, we need to offer it. >> sandra: finish off with one big topic you have been on and focusing on, senator, and that is anthony fauci and what is going to happen as far as investigations, republicans obviously flipping control of the house, thing will look much different in the new year.

this was james comer on investigating dr. fauci. >> we want to bring in and interview all the scientists who told dr. fauci it's obviously lab leak, man-made, but they changed their story. later learned through some of our investigative work many scientists that just gave fauci a blank check to go along with everything. >> sandra: so you have had some very high profile clashes with dr. anthony fauci. what do you expect will happen as far as investigations into him during the covid pandemic? >> you know, we are not done with him yet. i think dr. fauci actually made one of the worst judgments in modern medical history by funding for over a decade, funding dangerous research which many of us believed leaked from the lab, but does connect dr. fauci to the origins of the pandemic. his support for this type of research without sufficient controls, without sufficient

background and vetting of the projects may well have led to one of the greatest man-made catastrophes in modern history. that goes to lack of judgment. no one is accusing him of doing this on purpose, but it's judgment. for 40 years in charge of the money and the past decade he's been an advocate of gain of function research. this debate started around 2010, he came down as a firm advocate for publishing this dangerous research and continuing to fund it and this was a really, really bad mistake in judgment and may well have led to the deaths of 6 million people. he should apologize to the american people but should tell the truth. he's been lying from the beginning saying he did not fund gain of research, 20 scientists, every one of them will say it was indeed gain of function. >> sandra: see what congress does in the new year and putting the questions to the doctor. appreciate you joining us,

senator. great have you back on "america reports." >> thank you. >> john: sandra, now the growing fallout from the twitter files. as former twitter ceo jack dorsey is urging elon musk to release all the documents now, to have the full picture of what went on behind the scenes. griff jenkins here with all the details, and any indication musk is going to heed dorsey's call and put it out there? >> it's getting interesting, john, nearly a week since we got the initial dump of the twitter files and looks like musk may be pushing in that direction. he responded to dorsey saying this on twitter, most important data was hidden from you, too, meaning dorsey, and some may have been deleted. but everything will, we find will be released. this comes after musk fired jim baker, the former fbi, just before the 2020 election, holding up the release in the

next batch of files, vetting internal communications before giving them to journalists. and karine jean-pierre citing the hatch act over whether the biden campaign may have coordinated with twitter. watch. >> of course it's up to these companies to make their own decision about the content on their platforms and to ensure content follows their own standards and policies, but i'm just not going to comment on a decision that was made during the campaign. >> john, this comes as incoming house oversite chairman sent a letter to baker and two other twitter employees requesting they appear on the hill next month. byron donalds had this to say. >> you cannot save democracy if you have potentially agents of the government and media companies suppressing information. that is far worse than russia collusion, and so we have to get down to the bottom of this, for

the sake of the entire republic, you cannot have people going in the back door suppressing information and suppressing free speech. >> as for the next dump of files expected to come from bari weiss, no timeline or date given so unfortunately you are stuck combing through twitter feeds all day long hoping we get the next drip drip drip. >> john: and part of the reason for the delay, the twitter documents were being vetted before being given to bari weiss and to matt taibbi, and vetted by jim baker. >> exactly, and baker seems to be at the center of this, it's clear we have not seen the last of this. >> john: good to have you on the story. >> sandra: potential break through in the case of the four idaho students murdered a month ago. a white 2011 to 2013 hyundai elantra near the off campus home

and the time the crimes happened. alexis mcadams is on the ground there in moscow, idaho. what are police saying about the significance of that vehicle? >> sandra, this is a big piece of evidence, the biggest get this we have had in the past few days on the ground in moscow, idaho, releasing some bit of information who they could be looking for, even just to question. talk to the person or persons who were in that white hyundai elantra parked near the crime scene around the times of the murders. did not say what the people could have heard or seen but want to talk to them, they could have a vital piece of evidence that could crack the case. this coming as we had a tour of the idaho state police crime lab. the new video we just got in at the lab near boise, idaho, where a lot of this investigation has been going on. we took a close look at some of the tools the state police are using to process that evidence that was found inside of the house. the team has highly skilled

scientists that process more than 100 pieces of physical evidence and 4,000 crime scene photos to go through so they have a lot of work on their hands, looking to lift fingerprints, test blood spatter or analyze a single hair they find. once those scientists find the dna, run it through the combined nationwide dna system to see if there is a hit. in idaho, only dna from convicted felons or registered sex offenders. listen. >> state population, 1.7 million individuals, california is much larger. but, certainly if you have more individuals in a database, the likelihood of getting a hit or a match in that database is going to be greater. >> we know this was a gruesome and complicated crime scene on the college campus. it's possible there could be blood from both the victims and the killer mixed in, so forensics have to carefully test those blood samples. the case is the top priority for

the state crime lab, the lab is still working other cases. >> this is a really important case for us, it's a high profile case, obviously. and we want to be able to bring justice to these families, we want to bring safety to communities, those are all really important things to us here at the laboratory. >> so although they don't have the killer, sandra, or the murder weapon, the scientists say it could take the most tiny bit of evidence at the scene that could crack this case. >> sandra: thank you very much. john. >> john: interesting new information that they are looking for the hyundai elantra, you have to wonder, was that information developed from talking to witnesses or did they have surveillance video from somewhere nearby? interesting development, though. >> sandra: and it happened early in the evening yesterday, so gives a focus for those who are trying to recall anything and trying to call in any tip that they can and you hope this helps them focus the investigation at least for a bit here, john. >> john: still by the way

monitoring the white house press briefing for more reaction on the prisoner swap, britteny griner for the merchant of death, viktor bout and then what happens to paul whelan. tiktok gets taken to court in indiana, the first to sue the app to allow china to access user's data. some states have banned officials from using tiktok but is now the time to take more drastic action? we'll ask congressman andy biggs about that, plus his bid to become speaker of the house. >> why go to a border state and not visit the border? >> more important things going on. they are going to invest billions of dollars in a new enterprise. >> sandra: president biden skipping a chance to see the border up close and the toll on the border patrol there. is the white house doing enough? we'll ask art del cueto.

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>> john: president biden facing growing calls from both sides of the aisle to visit the southern border as border patrol deals with an unprecedented suicide crisis. bipartisan analysis reveals that 14 customs and border patrol employees have taken their lives this year alone. and most in over a decade. while another six have been killed in the line of duty. let's bring in art del cueto. art, tuesday, when president biden was heading off to arizona, but not visiting the border. listen to this exchange. >> why go to a border and not visit the border. >> more important things going on. invest billions in a new enterprise. >> john: more important things

going on said the president. art, put that in context of this new crisis that customs and border protection and border patrol are experiencing. 14 deaths by suicide in the year 2022, and 6 killed in the line of duty, including a border patrol just the other night. >> it is obvious this administration does not care about the men and women that are out there patrolling our nation's borders. from day one, they have done everything they can to dismantle the mission to dismantle the job of agents out there, and they continue to do so. i mean, this is just, you know, it's the cherry on top, i guess you would say, where it says there are more important things. i don't really care. might as well have said that. because it's complete chaos. there's been complete chaos since day one this administration took over. there is no end in sight. they continue to move agents from one area to the other. they are putting in administrative roles so they can process faster. completely ignoring the border. and not just ignoring the border

patrol agents and the men and women on the line, they are ignoring the american public. this is a sign that shows they don't care what happens to this country moving forward. >> let me come back to the suicide crisis, because this is mirroring in many ways what we see happening among veterans in the military. customs and border protection management is saying don't blame it on job stress. one said they do talk about the border conditions decreasing their morale, but in no way the cause of suicide. if it were, i think we would see many more triggers work-related instead of family-related or relationship-related. as a person who deals with the brave men and women on the front lines along the border, what do you say to what he said? >> many times they are afraid to ask for help, they are seeing they don't have any backing from this administration.

so they are scared to come out and ask for help, they realize hey, if they ask for help and realize there's a problem, they may face some type of means where they are going to look at them medically and say you are not apt to do this job, and then just discard them and remove them. a lot of these individuals are scared to ask for help. this agency and administration has not shown that they are going to help them moving forward. >> john: we have to try to come up with a solution for the crisis on the border. nearly 2.4 million people cross the border illegally in the year 2022. senators tom tillis of north carolina and sinema from arizona, a path for legalization for 2 million or so dreamers in exchange for $40 billion in border protection and security and pushing back title 42 rescission for a year. wall street journal said as the current immigration gridlock

helped anyone other than the political extremes. does not help border security as migrants stream across unchecked and does not show that the federal government can solve the problem. finding a way out of this gridlock sounds like a good idea. is this the right plan, the plan being floated by tillis and sinema? >> when you move forward, you just have to make sure that you have the right security measures in place to have the proper vetting. look, there is going to be asylum seekers, individuals that have a true claim, but right now the system as it works is broken and does not work right now because everyone is allowed to just come in, ask for asylum, get released not united states and many we are not going to hear from. so, you need to have the proper steps moving forward and part of those proper steps is having the right individuals there so they can have the proper enforcement at the border. and the proper vetting. >> john: this is something on which you and senator tom cotton

of arkansas agree. what he told "america's newsroom." >> you hear talk about so-called dreamers and give them legal status. right now, joe biden is creating hundreds of thousands of more so-called dreamers every month. what we have to do is secure our border, prevent this historic flood of illegal aliens coming into the country before we address any other issues in our immigration system. >> john: so the point the senator is making, if i read it right, art, is saying that if you give legal statute to 2 million dreamers you will increase the pull factor for other people who want to come to the country thinking well, amnesty to 2 million dreamers, why not 3, 4, or 5, and you need to secure the border first before you take a step like this. is that something you agree with? >> yeah, you have to have the proper measures to secure the border or else you are going to have everyone come in and say i was here before. there has to be a proper way to secure the borders, and we all agree has to be a proper vetting

system. there are people that have actual claims. look at those claims, but you have to do it the right way. >> john: art del cueto, always good to talk to you and our hearts go out to the 14 who died by suicide and six killed in the line of duty. it's a tough business they are in, no question about that. thanks, art. >> this has turned into let's promote puberty blockers. something that we know the fda is putting warning labels on. >> it's a shame to see a classic american company like american girl betray american parents and american girls. >> that is actually teaching them self-loathing, it's not body positivity and very scary. >> sandra: a sampling of the parents sounding off on the controversial new book from behind the american girl doll. the company has yet to comment on the growing backlash against

its new book for girls. promotes gender transitions and promotes to resources that can help children if they don't have a parent or adult they can trust. joining us is caitlyn jenner. caitlyn, great to see you and great to have you on this today. for our viewers who may not be totally up to speed on this, the book just dropped yesterday, we picked it up down the street in rock center. this is just a sampling of it, caitlyn. parts of your body may make you feel uncomfortable, aimed at single digit age range reads and may want t change the way you look. that's totally ok. if you haven't gone through puberty yet, the doctor might offer medicine to delay your body's changes. if you don't have an adult you trust, there are organizations across the country that can help you. what is caitlyn jenner's reaction to this book? >> well, it's not a good

reaction. i'm a parent, raised a lot of girls. and what bothers me about this book, it also says a smart girl's guide to body image. like if you are really smart you are going to have problems with your body image. this is again another example of the woke world just going crazy. american girl certainly has the right to do this book, they are a private company, but the effects and the backlash they are going to get they have to accept. look what happened to disney. same thing happened to disney. disney went woke on us here, and it was destroying the country the way the ceo had to leave, bob iger came in to try to fix this stuff. american corporations have to realize the parent is the customer, ok. the parent is the one that pays to get the disney ticket. i was -- i was a parent of six

girls, i bought a lot of dolls from american girl, ok. i'm a customer. i don't want my children to be exposed to this stuff. if they have images like this, this is a discussion between the parent, hopefully if they have a parent, close friend, somebody close to them, but not like in this book the last couple of pages are references where they can go to get puberty blockers and they are encouraged to say well, if you are having image problems, be on puberty blockers for a few years until you can figure yourself out. this is wrong, leave our children alone, let our parents raise our children. >> sandra: and sounds like you have had also a chance to go through the book, we have it here, and i've had a chance to go through the entire thing, and you know, american girl, we are an american girl household as well, and it's done a great job of being more inclusive, all

shapes and sizes, disabilities, backgrounds. why do you think a company like american girl took this, made this controversial move? i mean, i would assume somebody at some level of management in the company, executive level management knew that there would be reaction to this. >> maybe they wanted the publicity. everybody is all over the networks are talking of it right now. but i think it's the wrong message that they are putting out. and so many of the images in this book are like cartoon characters, and it's like it's got to be fun. i don't -- it just bothers me as a parent of six girls that this information is out there. young girls, i mean, every -- every week you have a different child this goes through so many things when they are going through, you know, 12, 13, 14, puberty, body changes, all that

sort of stuff. they are going through so many things that what they need is a parent that's understanding, the parent that helps them get through it, because you know what, next month you are going to have a whole different bunch of issues with these girls. i know, i raised all of them, and leave that up to the parents. there is so much information today. honestly, i think it's so difficult for young girls, young boys or anyone to grow up in today's society because they are exposed to so much material through the internet, i mean, these people are on their phones all day, so many things they are exposed to at a very young age. i mean, i grew up a long time ago. i was exposed to nothing. i was just a little kid out playing, doing my thing, sports and that stuff. kids today are exposed to so much stuff that i think young immature mind is not quite ready to grasp. and things like this makes the

kids question their own identity, and honestly, i don't think that's good. >> sandra: and you think about the age that they put on a lot of their products is for girls around 8 years old, and many times they are much younger than that. they have a following above that as well. i think of single digit numbers, an entire chapter in here to body dismorphia, and will read about this the first time and not coming interest a parent but a book and says if you can't talk to your parent, go around them and to these resources. to your point, caitlyn, thank you very much for joining us on this as you mentioned, everybody is talking about it and it is something. >> everybody is. i just want to give a lot of encouragement to the young girls out there. it's ok, you are going to get through this, no matter what it is. >> sandra: great message.

caitlyn, thank you for joining us. appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> john: the school superintendent in loudoun county, virginia fired after an explosive grand jury report found the school district put itself before students in handling two sexual assault cases last year. chief washington correspondent mike emmanuel has been on the story a long time and here to talk about the latest development. and scott ziegler is getting a golden parachute. do we know how much on the way out the door? >> i'm told the final package is being worked out, but he was fired without cause. scott ziegler was ousted after a unanimous vote by the loudoun county school board. the special grand jury blasted district leadership, we believe throughout this ordeal, administrators were looking out for their own interest instead of the best interests of lcps, failed at every juncture.

activists demanding change said political pressure led to the termination. >> they did not want to be near the blast radius. but look, the grand jury is still working. don't know what may come down in the next couple of weeks or months, and so i don't think we are out of this yet. >> virginia governor youngkin ordered the investigation into the schools when he took office in january. the lieutenant governor blasted the school system for a leadership failure. >> they did not go far enough. they put a blind eye to it. you know, it was -- well, see nothing, hear nothing, say nothing, do nothing. and that's what, that's not why we elect our leaders. we want them to protect our children. >> scott smith was arrested at a june 2021 school board meeting. smith says his daughter was one of the students sexual assaulted. he is hoping the grand jury report is not the end of it. >> we get six recommendations of things that they should do better next time. you know, i hope that the grand

jury is not done with their duty yet and i hope that this has more teeth in it. >> there's an emergency meeting of the school board this evening to name an acting superintendent. >> john: the whole grand jury report was shocking but scott smith seemed to have a good read. he's going to be joining us next hour. huge concern for parents and reinforcement the school boards to some degree, unclear how widespread it is, doing what they want to do and not the parents want them to do. >> sandra: such a great point. that's going to be a fascinating conversation when they come up. scott smith and ian pryor will be our guests here, we look forward to that, john. meanwhile, house gop leader kevin mccarthy is scrambling to shore up his support. will the republicans who oppose him succeed in blocking him from

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what are people saying about this? >> business owners in this new market square area of boston are very frustrated with these give aways. >> why are we giving them pipes, it's like giving them needles. i can give you 100 needles i pick up all the time. >> jerry's construction company sits next to the methadone mile, a sprawling homeless encampment where addicts openly use drug. they have long used a needle exchange, new strategies new include the distribution of free pipes, and aimed to get intravenous drug users away from needles. the mayor is defending the handouts. >> seen a big drop and data proven success with the parts of this -- goals of this program, which are to ensure that there

is a stop to communicable diseases that are preventable. >> but not all city politicians are behind the plan, with democrat city councillor michael flaherty saying. >> you should not be enabling those poor souls down there, trying to find them a bed and a pathway to recovery. >> earlier this year the white house denied there was any federal funding involved, either directly paying for crack pipes in the smoking kits handed out in the country. >> sandra: thank you, john. >> john: sandra, house gop leader kevin mccarthy thought he managed to lock up the votes to be elected to house speaker early in january. battle for the gavel is more difficult in recent days after andy biggs said he will change mccarthy for the top job and claims he knows at least 20 house republicans who will not

back mccarthy. joining us now is arizona republican congressman andy biggs. good to be with you. the first chance we have had to speak with you directly about this. why launch the challenge against mccarthy? >> well, we actually, i actually launched this challenge on november 15th, and it's just continuing. here is the deal. we need to make a change in trajectory, change of procedure, change in policy. all of those are not going to happen with the current leadership -- leader at the top, he's had 12 years at or near the apex of republican leadership, it's time to make a change. and if we make those changes, i think we'll get better process, which will lead to better policy for the american people. >> john: your colleague and friend, jim jordan, does not agree that there need to be the wholesale change you talked b. here is what he told us on "america reports" the other day. >> andy biggs is a good man, a friend of mine.

i think kevin mccarthy will be the speaker. >> john: he says you are a good man, a friend of his, but he will support mccarthy. the infighting in the republican party over the speakership is not good for the party. what do you say? >> i think there is always going to be contests and discussion and debate and this lends itself right to it. i think it's important. if you want to correct something and you don't talk about it, you'll never correct it, and that's -- at the bare minimum, rather chaotic run for the speakership is grinding this out and not just for freedom caucus or other people, i'm hearing from people who i had not heard from literally for months and months and months who have come up to me and said i think you are right, we need a change, and we need to change the direction. does that mean they are going to vote for me, i don't take that to the count, i never count the people unless someone says they will vote a certain way. but i don't think that this -- the republican party is so weak that we can't have this kind of

discussion, this kind of battle, this kind of contest. that's why you do it. find out why we are. >> john: with the margins as slim as they are, a sense by some people in the republican party that this is not going to strengthen your position come january 3rd, and meantime, the democrats are having a field day with it. listen here to this. >> it's going to be chaos with republican leadership. >> i'm not going to be surprised if last minute he sells out to make sure he has the votes on the floor. >> they are in total disarray on their side of the aisle. they are going to have a hard time getting anything done. >> john: they are going to have a hard time getting anything done. is there anything that leader mccarthy can do to earn your vote? >> first of all, let's respond to that. we are not incomplete disarray. republicans, whether it's on the more liberal end of the spectrum or more conservative end of the spectrum, we agree on many, many policy issues.

the question is how are you going to deliver those. and we agree that we need to have investigations, we agree, but we may not all agree we need to stand up to the biden administration with the same kind of strength and vigor that i think we need to. we are having those discussions. you know who is in disarray is the democrats. suspension vote, that's what's happening, and so that's just their narrative. and i just felt like that had to be addressed. >> john: if i could, back to the point of my question, anything leader mccarthy could do to earn your support? >> not at this point. you have to have somebody that you believe in and trust, and i could expand on that if you have time. >> john: we don't, but we'll have you back at that talk more about this. a lot of time between now and january 3rd. congressman andy biggs.

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