>> hello, everyone. this is "outnumbered." joining us today kennedy morgan ortega and rod smith. the mainstream media's reaction to the twitter files is stunning yet not surprising. elon musk has released chilling information about the niner workings of the social media

giant, including the silence of conservatives and medical professionals and criticism of president biden. the media is shrugging it off. the "new york post" called it shameful. she's also taking aim at "the new york times" and "washington post," writing every morning these august organs said the narrative for newsrooms across the country, and yet time and again we see them ignore the stories that don't suit their own agenda as propaganda purveyors for the democratic party and the security state. this has been obvious in their noncoverage of elon musk's twitter files. four batches over 10 days so far, which have revealed a chilling censorship regime at the social media giant, including at facebook and google. rob, as she goes on to say, it's frankly a wartime tactic, which

is death by silence. >> no, absolutely. this is absolutely a stunning sort of -- i like to call it fake news by omission, right? they're literally omitting things so people don't know it. i want to make the point that the mainstream media is not as powerful in 2022 as they were in, say, in 2012. so myself, like i'm a trained journalist, but i also do counting creation, right? i want to note the entire infrastructure of people who go to a lot of different media sources from people like they trust like me that they find online, facebook, instagram, twitter, etc., etc. i would like to say even though it is absolutely shameful that these media organizations are ignoring this, i'm thankful that there's a bigger new media infrastructure out there. the one last point that i want to make about this is that a lot of people criticized the twitter files saying that they were dumped on a sort off news cycle

moment, but elon musk doesn't believe in the typical news cycle, which is why this stuff came out saturday night, friday night, on the weekends. we're in a new media era, consuming this stuff all the time. these people have a lot of power, but their power dissipates every single year. that makes me hopeful for the future. >> oh, gosh. i wish i had that hope. i do have a lot of faith that we can move mountains, but at the same time i know that hope is not a strategy, prayer is. i'm going to pray that people do find this information in other places, that they're hungry for it. the problem is the legacy media, the liberal outlets, have existed for so long they take up all the ad space. they funnel you into certain places to go to get certain information. they don't have to work that hard to do it. if it means they can sit down and be more complacent about things, there's an understanding about that. people are going to say on the left that they believe them

before they believe us, even we shout from the wind with more facts than anybody can ignore. elon musk is giving a platform for everybody to talk. so when i hear silence from certain media outlets that say that they print all the news that fits on the page and they do all that kind of stuff, they're so good, they name themselves after the alphabet, abc. >> and democracy dies in darkness. >> right. when i hear all of that, they're silent, what does the twitter files have with their names? what's coming? you mentioned the complicity. i want to know in the black lists were not sold to other media arms and platforms, and was facebook doing something similar and they didn't have to work hard to figure out who's on list, because maybe they share these lists. that's not conspiratorial.

certain folk are silent. >> to rob's original point, i agree with what you're saying, there's those in the left wing media, who have the strong hold, albeit eroding, but continue in their silence, disregarding with what's coming up, a famed journalist responding with a yawn to this. what about a security state, our government, and those who are traversing between big tech and those agencies continuing to suppress american voices, continuing to impact the election, and now it somehow is cause for disregard. >> yeah. you're talking about the misinformation czar who replied with the yawn emoji. you better wake up. because you have federal government employees from the fbi, dhs, cia, working with a giant social media company. they're funneling information. they are directing the narrative.

you should wake up to that. that should not be boring, because this is incredibly problematic, because, you know, maybe your side was the one who got the boost from twitter, working with federal law enforcement. maybe that happens this time. next time you may not be so lucky. so you better wake up to new systems that have accountability for everyone. also i have a slightly different take on why "the new york times" and "washington post" may be silent. they may be silent because perhaps they were fed directive from the cia, the fbi, dhs, during the 2020 campaign. maybe they don't want to be totally hypocritical condemning this stuff, because maybe they were engaged in the exact same thing. >> the point we're making. >> which means there's liability potentially for them too. larry elder, as he point out, musk spent $44 billion to do what wapo, "the new york times," used to do, which is defend free

speech. so now the pendulum has swung in their favor. what happens if it swings the other way to them? >> i love what you guys said. i think a lot of this has to do with who has power and who has control. so much of the left is used to having power and control over the media. it made me think of a couple stories. umm, one, when i was state department spokesperson in the last administration, we had legacy media seats on the plane. those seats belonged to the secretary of state. i opened up two seats to start getting new voices, new people in. i brought guy benson on one. i wanted to bring in new voices to cover foreign policy, because we only had legacy media institutions doing it. you would have thought that i touched a third rail. >> you did. >> i touched a third rail. i had a conversation with twitter. i said i just want to understand why the ayatollah who chants death to israel, death to jews, you know, not just the

ayatollah, but many figures like him, explain to me why these people still have accounts and voices on twitter. i got a lot of nonspeak. i never got a real answer. but again, it's -- i think without the progressive censors, the left is losing their mind. that's why you're not seeing the coverage, in my opinion. >> i had on senator lindsey graham last hour. we were going to talk about a whole host of things, and we did, but one i didn't see coming, what he's planning, along with elizabeth warren, saying this issue needs democrats on it. he said it's imperative that we put in a regulatory commission for this, because of the tentacles that it has both politics, free speech, to our children, so on and so forth. but i said, you're a republican. that sounds like more government. he said, it's targeted government. they have section 230 right now. they don't deserve it. you and i have had this conversation many times. what are they going to take that

away? we'll see in january if republicans and democrats have enough to take away the section 230, the protection, the ability for these companies not to be regulated. i tell you, if that happens, there could be whistleblowers out there. >> rob, i love the idea, but my one fear, however, the tentacles of donorship and lobbying goes so far back with the democratic party. let's see who the largest donors were to kamala harris, largely big tech. what about the greatest lobbyist of the administration under the obama years, for example? google by dozens. there's so much influence and impact that big tech has had on individual elected officials. i worry about anyone who is in a decision-making seat that has influence. >> i wanted to make point, jumping off of what you said, because that was brilliant work you were doing to open it up,

right? there's something that ron desantis is doing down in florida, is which interesting, being criticized for not talking to, quote, unquote, mainstream media platforms, giving a voice to local outlets. he's being criticized for that. what you're doing, morgan, what desantis is doing down there is a model for what people in actual power can do to elevate new media voices and take the power away from the mainstream media platforms. >> to desantis' credit, he went on "the view," and what a bottom of the birdcage mess that was with those ladies. i don't know what they were doing. >> i had a similar experience. >> coming up, stunning new video from our southern borders showing just how bad the crisis is. will it convince the president that there aren't really, quote, more important things, as he said, and he should finally carve out time to visit the border himself?

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>> this situation is literally on fire. we get stunning new video from texas. fox news cameras were rolling as an enormous caravan of up to 2,000 people crossed illegally into else pass so last night. it's believed to be the largest mass crossing in u.s. history. in eagle pass, texas, fox news witnessed a massive group of people crossing illegally there. 650. another 350 crossing into the other side of town, meaning a thousand people crossed in just one hour. notice they're hitting from opposite sides. you don't have checkpoints at those sides. you certainly don't have enough border agents to cover all that ground. border agents are bracing for yet an even larger surge.

nine days from now, when trump era title 42 comes to a close, because biden is getting rid of it. republican texas congressman pat fallon went after the president of the united states for ignoring the unprecedented crisis. >> he doesn't have any interest in going to the border, but he's had time to visit delaware 59 times. so it's never been worse than it is right now. the it's not a crisis anymore. it's a catastrophe. >> delaware does have an opioid problem, but i don't think he's going for that, morgan. >> no. i heard a piece last week about the fentanyl deaths, almost 72,000. we see the images of people coming over the border, helping us visualize the illegal immigration that's happening. if we could take those people coming over the border, picture them as fentanyl, and realizing that we have chemical warfare that's been -- that has been decried on the children in our

country. the number one killer of young people. we are not treating this border as we should, as chemical warfare, because we know these precursors for fentanyl come from china. we actually did a good job of getting it directly out of the united states in the trump administration, dhs did that. >> what were we doing differently about the fentanyl? that's my question. i look at it and it feels like a weapon of mass destruction at this point. >> most criminal organizations, if you cut them off, they find another rabbit hole to go through. under dhs and the trump administration we put things in place to make sure it couldn't get to the united states. dhs did a good job of cutting it off. they've figured out how to get this to the mexican cartels. the mexican government doesn't have control over it. it's almost a narco state. no one is holding the chinese or mexicans for this, doing nothing

to cut off funding. >> trump was so strong -- i'm sure countries south was strong. he was threatening terrorists. this had a hammer with it. >> a lot of us are parents on this panel. i don't see how you can't look at this crisis, the number one killer of young people. almost everybody's family has been affected by it. everybody has a friend. you can't not call it the cal chemical warfare that it is. >> past 48 hours, over 16,000 encounters of illegals comes across the border. $97 million in narcotics. four firearms, one stolen, three gang members, two sex offenders, two murderers, two warrants, one injury to a child, another hard weekend of work for our agents, exclamation point, thank you for all you do out there. they are outnumbered. what particularly is frightening

about what he's saying, he's putting the information out there, and i know having been there recently, because the administration isn't listening, so he wants the public to know what's happening. >> he hopes it shocks people into action, so they call their congresspeople and senators and demand immigration reform in this country. our immigration system is broken. i don't care what the vice president says, when she goes on to national tv and says our immigration system isn't broke. how bad does it have to get before they admit this is awful. there are lives on both sides of the border. if you care about kids, make sure you do something other than having a giant welcome sign at the border, because that's what ending title 42 is. they know if there's a bum rush, they will flatten the entryway, and they will pour into this country, because they want a better way of life. one of the guest lasts hour, the

guy arguing the left side of the immigration thing, he was completely dismissing the fact and the urgency here, and he was saying, you know, we just need to spend more money, prop up these narco terrorist states that are run by dictators, enriching themselves off the drug war. >> i don't think that's where u.s. money should be going, but we need a sound immigration policy, which has been an utter failure. >> until we get there, though, is it smart to flip the switch on title 42? that was stemming the tide. if we don't have a way to do what kennedy and others described in terms of -- look, let's face it. lawmakers on either side have not had the will to do this. >> right. >> republicans pushing against anything that looks like amnesty and democrats pushing against any -- we need to step the tide. >> when the biden administration took power, what they did was

completely eliminate everything that was going on that actually worked on the trump administration, right? so let me give you some numbers, because i want to be very clear about this. i want to read this. october 2022 study from the federation of american immigration reform. 5.5 million illegal immigrants have crossed the border since biden took office, more than the population of ireland. this is a problem. when the left argues for more and more immigration, these are numbers that are outdated. title 42 ending is going to be an absolute disaster. >> that's why you've seen this pushback from republicans, that there has to be a different way to solve this, because we're not talking about the original 11 million from a few years ago. it's grown by 3 million or 4 million just under this president. >> yes. >> those are the ones we know about that. >> that's right. it grows by the hour.

going back to the tweet we just had from the chief of the border patrol, he's doing two things that we so desperately need from an elected official from leadership, which is articulate exactly what's happening and expressing gratitude for those men and women who put their lives on the line every day, dying by suicide at historical rates at the southern border, doing what our president and vice president have failed to do, articulate the problem, acknowledge exactly the horrible crisis that it is, and express gratitude for those in uniform. meanwhile we have the current governor in arizona trying to build a wall. we have incoming katie hobbs of arizona saying, no, no, that's illegal, i don't know what to do, maybe i'll repurpose this as affordable housing. what we are seeing is our fellow americans in -- >> affordable housing for who? >> who knows. >> the illegals? >> maybe they could live in the shipping containers acting as the structure --

>> they just got out of the shipping container, coming from countries that prefer that they live in those. >> maybe if she did an interview she could answer the question. >> oh, rob. >> the elected officials are in desperate positions, seeing the governors and mayors down there declare these cartels as terrorist organizations, seeing them desperately to try to utilize american resources for their people, for american citizens, having to take out loans to buy school supplies as we know. the fact that we have knees incoming or administrative officials saying, we have other resources we can use, what other resources are you talking about? every current resource is being gutted or repurposed for iphones for them. i see him building any type of wall, as you would do with your own yard, if people were coming in by the millions, and he's getting scoffed, turned away, and now sued by the federal government to do it. it's unfortunate, top to bottom.

this biden administration, biden's america, is not getting any better. >> that shipping container story needs to be dug into, because we know that on the water is how many of these people are coming, 150 countries. they're not all in central and south america. they're coming across the water in dangerous situations. >> yeah. >> all right. let's move on. coming up, p flight data show te transportation secretary has been using a lot of private jets at taxpayer expense, of course. that's next

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game about evs and going green, but fox news learned he racked up a lot of miles on private jets. yeah, the transportation secretary has taken at least 18 flights on the taxpayers' dime. well, he did signal his love for flying when he told conde nast, quote, planes are the most ma magical. ever since i was a little kid, there's nothing more remarkable than human beings being able to fly, so i have a soft spot for it when it comes to my personal travel. bicycle? pretty strong runner-up. remember when we saw him one out of a gas-guzzling last year? that was the absolute best. of the i would abhor this hypocrisy if i didn't adore it so. >> rules not for me for the elite. we saw it with gavin newsom, a

$50,000 dinner. pete buttigieg wants nothing more than to bemoaning first gay president. that's what he wants. this drives every single thing that he does. he doesn't care about transportation. he doesn't care about this other stuff u. made an interesting point during the commercial break, that all of this private jet travel, most of it was domestic, right? did the not international. >> canada? >> oh, canada. you'd think he'd use it to go to wef, something like that, but if this travel is all domestic, what is is he doing if not sewing the potential seeds for 2024, 2028, 2032. this is basically sowing the seeds for a potential campaign on the taxpayers' dime. >> and other cabinet secretaries who have had to resign for the exact same thing.

why does he get a pass? >> he shouldn't. in the government, a cabinet secretary can't just say i want a private plane and it appears. there's than an approval process. i think it goes through the white house as well. for me i think there's two things that should be looked into. i think the ig at the transportation department should do an investigation, should look and see if it's justified, because it is raising red flags, that he's going to early primary states. there was a whole political article about how he was the most wanted person on the campaign trail, even more than the vice president. >> did he write it? >> i think so, probably. you know there's clearly some political use. you should not be using taxpayer-funded jets for political use. you shouldn't be using it for political use. the transportation committee can open an investigation into this, as it was done in the trump administration for price and a few others. there's no reason they can't investigate this. >> and they are politically

appointed by a president, but they tend to be above the fray. they can open an investigation, look at the justifications, and see what personal use, what political use, you know, because it looks like he was just an -- in early stage campaigning. >> you know how we'll know, if he stops in south carolina for a while. >> yeah. >> because that's where biden wants everything to start. >> i'm sure he'll find some business. >> there it is quite a transportation hub. >> uh-huh. >> here's my feeling. these are my personally feelings. i just have to put that warning out there. anyone who is telling us that we have to have personal austerity in order to fight climate change, and the john kerries, pete buttigiegs, putting meghan and harries in this basket of deplorables. no matter what happens in the future, maybe no skyscrapers, no planes, we all have to go vegan. shouldn't anyone who espouses

that hypermorallism in terms of environmentalism, shouldn't they be the ones who have to live the most stringent lives in terms of keeping themselves from enjoying luxuries like private plane travel? >> of course. walk the walk, man. strap yourself to a tree and prevent that being cut down, i better seeing you writing on a brick. it's ridiculous to me that our tax dollars are funding someone to travel to canada to pick up an award for advancing lgbqt rights. i walk to work, sit at the gate, count the minutes, while i'm delayed three hours for whatever flight i'm taking that i purchased myself to visit my family or collect an award. i hope the ig investigates, because i'd love for my tax dollars to stop paying for their

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have been exclude from the resources needed to have safe and healthy pregnancies, providing them economic stability during this critical phase in their lives while allowing public health institutions to test a novel and promising public health intervention. kennedy, no one denies the disparity in those statistics in this country, but is this the best way to combat that? >> it might be actually because i don't disagree with that. women of color, particularly black women, tend to not have good outcomes as their white count he were parts. i'm relieved to see we're talking about supporting healthy pregnancies, bringing precipipregnancies to term. >> i think as long as we're not talking about abortions, government-funded abortions, i

think this is a step in the right direction. >> great point here. >> so how about access to better healthcare for women who are pregnant? you talk about, you know, just horrible incomes -- not incomes. incomes too, but outcomes. the mortality rate, not for just the babies, but particularly black mothers still embarrassingly high in this country considering all the resources that we have. handing somebody a thousand dollars, i want to know what that's going to look like, because if you don't have access, in a food desert, a thousand dollars isn't going to go as far as you think it will. are we having the conversations that drive a better life for women all around, particularly women of color, or patting it on the head with more money? when we're in the middle of 40-year high inflation, so that mom, if it is a sort of cash stipend supplement as i

understand it to be, then she -- because you're right, women have babies -- she then looks at that situation and says, well, can i apply this -- well, you can't apply it to baby formula, because you not be able to find it under biden's baby formula crisis, but can she spend it on other things? that might be exactly what she needs, but cutting into that mortality rate may not be hit by this one particular bit of spending, because you have to move her out of the place where she is, where she is, to get better care, access to pharmacies that have the medicines that might be prescribed to her. >> in san francisco specifically where i'm from that area, it is such a have and have not town. so the hunters point neighborhood, that's a pharmacy desert, because over 26 walgreens closed their doors because of the rampant looting in that city. in the neighborhood where nancy pelosi lives, i'm sure that

medical center is where these women go. will it really have an impact on a healthy pregnancy and birth and delivery when these young women are in that town kept far away from where the access is plentiful and more robust. >> i got to say. there were compassionate eloquent points y'all are making, but this is a new version of what we've seen before over decades and decades. we have see the government programs that give all the money, and when it doesn't work they he say it didn't work because there wasn't enough money, so they give it more money. you have the far left that is arguing for reparations, right? and what is this if not some form of reparations, i think. when you look at the money that's been spent, in disproportionately lower income black communities, ra democrat , democrat-runcities, you're sey

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>> don't hit that man? the man he punched was in fact an undercover cop, deployed to keep the peace, leading to an arrest on disorderly conduct, attempted assault, and other charges. kennedy? >> i don't even think that's illegal anymore. he didn't even get a ticket or a slap on the wrist, a high-five for shoving a cop. what is wrong with that guy? >> that's a guy out there who needs a hobby. that's someone who needs a structured day, because obviously he's so bored, he's going to the library to fight with parents who are trying to keep their children children. that's what their sign said, save our children. let them have a good time. >> let's talk about the actual parents, the children, holding drag queen hour at a beautiful

bookstore. you can see it. i take you were walking your sexuality outside, and that's fine to do, but these are 3-year-olds. it's not an appropriate venue. it's know your audience. >> listen, it's up to every parent to decide how best they want to parent, if you want to take your kid to a drag queen happy hour, would you take your kid to a "sports illustrated," you know, reading hour? i wouldn't do that either option for my kids. saying that, while the parents who decided to take their kids to the drag queen happy hour have every right to do so, so duty parents outside with signs. that's what we have in america, the freedom of choice to do what's best for your kids. in d.c., during the iraq war, when there was protests outside of the white house. i was at the treasury department. my blood would boil, because so many friends were in iraq and afghanistan. i had been to iraq. i had friends who were killed. drove me nuts that code pink

would protest during the height of the wars that my friends were serving in, but it was america, and i had to walk past them, say they have every right to do this. if you don't like what someone is protesting, you don't get to hit cops. >> i agree with you, because i adore you, but i actually don't agree with you. it's different to talk about men and women in service of this country, picket outside, than this to have people in front. 3-year-olds, that you have to have a discussion that you weren't ready to have. what do we say to them? >> in new york city, these are very far left liberal parents who think that taking their kids to things like is a way to, quote, unquote, own the conservatives. i want to make a point about drag queen story hour in origins. this didn't come out of nowhere. there was a deep dive into the origins of drag queen story hour. this is the work of very far left radical queer theory

people, the endpoint is pedophilia. i know this is controversial. >> a little. >> we cannot look at drag queen story hour as anything more than grooming the american public toward normal sizing pedophilia among a very, very far left crowd. i'm a gay man. i see it. >> so for those who parents who do at this as an opportunity to have different discussions with their children, emily, what do you want? >> an ancillary point, this is the landscape of alvin bragg's, a da in new york, and mayor eric adams of new york, and biden's america, and here's why, because taking a step back, this man, this perp, is a recidivist, aggravated harassment, refusing to obey a court order, stay off property in staten island.

what happens? he shows up with the kids. you know what the kids were doing during the altercation? hiding in a room, using objects to barricade the door. the reason this man was arresteg will happen to him -- because nypd deployed undercover officers into the crowd. there's so many elements to this story, watching yet again a recidivist perp, who should be in jail, needs a hobby and a structured day. should be in jail, because he needs accountability for his activities. thank gonzales nypd was there. crime pays and nothing happens in biden's america today. >> rob, to come back to you what you said, you have your opinion, a lot of people have their opinion about it, but it comes down to now there's a situation where we need peace officers over an issue about sexuality in front of 3-year-olds. whatever theories there may be out there, the reality is what emily is talking about, what

we're all saying, our own safety. if they want to do this, there has to be a more age appropriate place for this to happen. >> i want to make the final point to that point, harris, the answer to this stuff is not violence. it is shame. the answer is to shame the parents that are exposing their children to this and drag the drag queens doing it. >> we'll move on. more "outnumbered" next. ♪ my name is austin james. as a musician living with diabetes, fingersticks can be a real challenge. that's why i use the freestyle libre 2 system. with a painless, one-second scan, i know my glucose numbers without fingersticks. now, i'm managing my diabetes better, and i've lowered my a1c from 8.2 to 6.7. take the mystery out of managing your diabetes and lower your a1c. now you know. try it for free at freestylelibre.us

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