>> harris: along with my co-host emily compagno, "outnumbered," joining us is kennedy, jackie deangelis and charles payne from fox business super stars, good to see you guys. begin with long list of fraud cha

cha cha charges teets founder sam bankman-fried. lawmakers on both sides of the political aisle are going after the timing of this, they wanted sam bankman-fried to answer for the billions he squandered while investors lost their shirts and everything else. they won't get the chance to question him now, he's in custody in bahamas and faces extradition on wire fraud, money laundering, conspiracy, whole host of them. charles, what are ripple effects in the financial world of this? >> charles: the market is not paying attention to this as much as it had earlier in the week, massive ripple effects and goes way beyond crypto, i hate it is considered a crypto story. that is frustrating watching the lawmakers, finger pointing and

diszing crypto, this is even more than sam bankman-fried story. this about a system that is so corrupt between silicon valley and wall street they have been ripping off the american public for billions and billions and billions and billions of dollars every single year, our chance to wake up and see what is going on. ftx is just part of that, just a tiny part of that, yes, sam bankman-fried, i pray he pays for everything he could and should. my biggest fear is it will be misreported and sam bankman-fried story. >> harris: you don't mean political party, he was second largest donor for democrats next

to uber rich soros and leo terrell and matthew whitaker were on with me, former ag, talking about there are people shaking right now, democrats who took money, dirty money. >> emily: i agree and people think the charges were filed in this way before this hearing. i'm not necessarily sure that is the case, i actually think he's been running his mouth off, sitting down with "new york times," doing interviews and it is completely inappropriate and makes the second and cfct look silly in this situation and that is why he did it, they didn't want to give him another opportunity to do that. these are serious charges here and i never thought this had to be with crypto per se, the rest is garden variety fraud that the justice department needs to investigate here and think about the more he runs his mouth, the more opportunity he has when

extradited to say, i will not get a fair trial, everybody is biassed against me, they wanted to cut it off and make sure they had the case sewn up. >> harris: that is shady, he talks to the public and dirties the pool to pull jurors from and then get to call it unfair. >> emily: he can argue that, it will not work, viewers should know, number one, leverage for penalty, leverage is a plea deal and how it impacts the juries, two elements about white-collar crime the public hates. when someone else doesn't pay their taxes because they pay their taxes and when someone takes money from them. penalty issive it is, one conspiracy to commit wire fraud upward of 25 years, one charge of wire fraud upward of 25 years, the fed and doj are

sitting on possibility facing sam of hundreds of years of penalties and that is leverage that makes them one plea, if he doesn't plea, he will sit in front of a jury of his peer that he has argued is tainted, but they're not and they will say we are sentencing you to dozens of years. when you go to minimum security prison and you see who is sentenced to 15 to 35 years, people that gambled on jury trial of white-collar crime. your point about lack of remorse, if there is one thing the fed needs to see when negotiating with you to plea or setting terms for a trial, it is remorse. if there is none issue the ball is in their court. >> harris: look at this kennedy, you can see privilege come into play, they don't get to the trial. a lot of times, the feds go after bigger fish, he's the whale, right?

kennedy he is the big fish and the privilege was mostly political, he was donating to democrats, they are inure po, heun was them to write rules that benefit him completely. he screwed everything up through hubris and what john ray called unso-50icate like grossly inexperienced and unsophisticated, they were not good at what they were doing and didn't know what they were doing and they were running around impressed with themselves buying friends like tom brady and gi giselle, and shaq. they will say, we told people to buy into this and they lost money, our fans that looked up to us, we built brands on public trust and telling people to put their money here and they lost it all.

i think you have some moral accountability there and to emily's point, these are serious charges, he's being charged by southern district of new york and you have the civil aspects, the s.e.c. going after him for billions of dollars in related fraud. >> harris: and bahamas are not giving him up yet, the courts there will take a look at him. what is outside of the united states is exposure for him. >> charles: they had operations all over, they had an praying in australia and doing this on quickbooks, like quickbooks is great if you start a dog grooming business, when you get to multi billions of dollars in layers, he was shocked. i want to pick up -- >> harris: was that stupidity or on purpose? >> charles: i think arrogance, look at the way the company is ib sdooed. i think it was designed to steal

from people from day one, with backdoors to rob the american public. in addition to celebrities, they don't know about the financial world. what about the financial world that built him up, that hymned him raise money at 32 billion valuation. sequoia is number one on the list, they raised money for him twice last year and posted an article in august of this year bragging about this wonder kid and he doesn't read, in the article it says he doesn't like to read, anyone who writes is dumb. imagine if you said i got a great idea, but i don't read, you would get kicked out. >> harris: how did they cozy up with that level of stupidity? >> charles: something does not work here, this is not one billion scam, at one point it worked up to 50 billion scam.

powerful people knew about this, i pray we get to the bottom of it and everyone pays the price. >> emily: that money doesn't go back to him, doesn't matter if he rots in prison or sekwoia folds, the average american will not get their money back. >> harris: glad you are here, jackie, we'll talk about your new show later. and puppy. >> charles: i will get a puppy when i get my show. >> harris: adorable with bows for christmas. >> not true. >> harris: my goodness, california governor gavin newsom making trip to the southern border, but it is not to see the crisis or meet with border patrol agents, is there a restaurant there? he is seeing what he can do to help massive number of people who want to come into our country, he wants to facilitate

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>> the border surge from mexico to the u.s. predicted to become catastrophic, 10,000 illegal migrantses could arrive daily once title 42 ends in eight days n now. california governor newsom thought it was good time to head to the borders, visiting a support center, didn't meet with border patrol. >> got back from mexicali, i met with the governor and humanitarian leaders and

migrants from haiti, guatemala and mexico waiting for asylum processing. we are on the other side in calexico to understand what the world looks like pre-title 42 and what it will look like post-title 42. >> the show is not long enough to detail his policy failure, pr aspects, it is sprazing given someone groomed his entire decade long campaign for president frankly on how he appears socially and in the pr arena, why has he gotten this so wrong? >> charles: it could be he's adhering to this ideology or he's in so deep he can't turn back. this is a difficult journey for women and young girls in particular and to sort of say to

the world, we're open, if you can get to the border, you're in, you are luring them in and culpability the government should take sanctuary cities and someone like newsom is saying come on in. a young lady who used to do my wife's nails, her daughter came and she was mising for a week, her journey was three weeks long and for one week they had to pay off the coyotes, mafia, the family got together and put this together. it is so dangerous to -- talk about humanitarian crisis, to lure people into this country like that is a sin, i think, it is not right. >> emily: harris, for a governor who has deep-seeded experience, how can he not acknowledge law enforcement or border patrol and the role they play? he can adhere to that ideology

while saying i support border patrol doing work. >> harris: no, he can't, that won't help with his next job, he wants to run for president, he keeps telling us he doesn't, but travels all over so he can say he went to the border. i don't think it helps politically, he has a wall in his state, he's having a different experience and so does kamala harris, i used to live there, i understand. we would go down to tijuana, different situation, where you could shop, can't do that now. i got married eight miles from the border and it is a very different situation. now we're overrun, they are not going toeck which -- checkpoints, they go here and let fentanyl cross unattended,

there are areas porous and so many of them in places where bill melugin is reporting in the del rio sector. we have decided we don't want to hold the biden administration accountable, they had a cha chance to do it and voters made that decision, as voting public, we have to look and wonder, who does this benefit. we're in the situation where inflation is high and i talked with steve forbes last hour and he said this makes it worse, somebody will have to support these people who jobs go away and people feel pressure much the months and months long of high prices and weaker, weaker, weaker economy, stagflation. >> emily: the ones who could

flee did, the ones who didn't are saddled incompetence of governor newsom administration and going to be left holding that diluted resource structure that harris articulated as the rush hour commences. >> kennedy: is draining the resources of a once great state and complaining republicans are botching immigration and bro, the president is a democrat, both houses are held by democrats, they easily could have tackled this issue and could have given it immigration solutions, they chose not to do that. talk about someone passive here issue the vice president, the border czarina has done nothing, newsom is trying to contrast himself with vice president harris by saying i'm at the border in mexico, it is meaningless and political theater and to charles point,

there are lives 59 stake and lives being lost of the most vulnerable, shame on all of them, especially newsom. he does not deserve to be president and certainly not on this issue. >> jackie: that is right, they have lost sight of the fact he's ever california's governor, he is only governor of left wing tiny minute people who live there and support ideology and political theater. >> and part of turning blooin eye to what is happening, the actual crisis, charles point out of trekking across the border, they are trying to ifrj cha demographics in this country, they want people to turn red states purpler and eventually blue and that is the plan of the democrats and what he's playing into. harris, how much this is costing, the fed will raise rates 7.1% is high, two million people will lose jobs next year

and support causes and people coming into the country. it is going to be a rough 2023. >> harris: nobody turns state from red to purple the way gavin newsom did, go to arizona, people who fled california and ushg-hauls on the way to florida have had impact politically states along the border, particularly arizona. >> shows impact one governor can have, i don't recognize my california anymore, i recognize that same person at the helm. coming up, even the movie critics and press couldn't save it, aoc climate documentary bombing at the box office pulling dollar 80 a theater, $2 than a coke. that is next.

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>> i am al gore, i used to be the next president of the united states of america. >> harris: yes, that was gore's climate change movie inconvenient truth in 2006. now alexandria ocasio-cortez has one of her own, it hit over the weekend and played on 120 screens and drew in $80 per theater, that is poultry, here is a peek. >> some of us have to actually live the future that you all are setting. >> we will make historic opportunity, seize the opportunity. >> we got the candidate to come to us, >> we will go out in a blaze of

glory or win what we want. america has faced threats before and come out stronger. >> harris: she'll have enough birthdays to run in 2024, how many democrats are campaigning? >> hold on. [laughter] >> harris: for the stinky trailer. >> kennedy: >> ashley: no one cares, people are trying to figure out how they are going to buy christmas presents for their kids, they are not going to be beaten into submission by halleluj hallelujahsterics, we all want the earth to heal. she is not a good messenger and that is not at the top of people's list, if people want to go to a movie, they don't want to feel guilty about something, they want escapism, escape from her. >> harris: we should end the

show right now, been great to have you. charles. >> charles: follow that up, i love the part about nobody cares gigantic movement, this esg movement is so powerful particularly in europe, trillions of dollars welded to this thing and will make or break industries, one reason oil prices are up, you can't raise money for oil, talk about drilling, nobody cares and found a way to make this movement so powerful and notion is mankind is bad. get rid of people issue the planet will flourish and that is the end. >> harris: unless they live south of the border. just stating the facts. there is a lot of population coming. >> charles: i know, the crux goes back to the 1800s, how many

times have people told us we will enjoy the planet and all be dead. >> harris: most of those people have the last name steven spielberg orcameron. >> charles: i don't know if you can aoc in that league just yet, th the message doesn't change. when was gore's timestamp? weren't we supposed to be gone by 2010 or whatever? >> something like that. >> i lost track. >> jackie: i'm willing to do my part to help with climate change, the problem i have, how much we're spending right now, setting money onir foo, not having an impact when you think of the other polluters not playing ball with us, until we cooperate with people and get technology right and make sure batteries are not destructive and don't explode, we have a

place to properly put them when finished with them or life span is long enough toun are the ooblt and can take that and do it across the world, that is when we do it, trying to do it here and telling the american taxpayer inflation reduction acts, which had revisions in it, spend your money now, it is ridiculous, people have trouble putting gifts under tree and gas in the car right now. >> charles: we have to strip mine the entire planet, best investment is copper, strip mine the world. put together batteries we can't dispose of. >> harris: in switzerland they announced, you cannot this winter plug in your electric cars. we could get there, too, our grids or 80% efficient because of fossil fuel and coal.

we are not there either, if we need energy sources for other things like heating and driving we're depleting our grid and will get to a point like they did in california, can't plug in your electric vehicle. >> and the electric grid cannot be overstated, this weekend, i was talking to a power plant manager and she was so enlightening and confirming that fragility and the fact there was no transition provided by this administration, you guys, though, this movie made $9000 on opening day weekend, $9000 under biden america, that means $500, what a joke. last time i checked, people innen queens voted her in to enact policy, preserve jobs, grow jobs, ensure tax dollars are spent keeping them safe and

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christmas tree on fox square, you can take a picture if you visit us in new york city. now another one is about to go up in massachusetts where war on christmas just ended, the town's public library just reversed course on decision not to display annual christmas tree over complaints that it made some people feel uncomfortable. jesse watters was the first to bring this story to our attention. >> we told you about a scrooge named amber, the town's library director who banned christmas trees because they made people feel uncomfortable. to some people, there is nothing more offensive twinkling lights on a tree. you can't celebrate christmas.

>> this was quite something, you had human rights commissioner in that town who started just blasting anyone who wanted the tree and this is one of her quotes, she said on facebook, i would like to add fu, you pieces of trash, i hate each and every one of you and i do wish great suffering on you, you are terrible, terrible people and you did it all because you didn't gets your way, you are despicable. >> here is the thing, she mocked god, called him magic sky daddy in this facebook rant and this is someone being paid by taxpayers in massachusetts as member of human rights commission, i said quote, i can't stomach this person representing human rights when she is that disgusting of a person. she goes on, if you live in any type of town where your tax dollars are supporting library

and human rights commission and the like, know who is representing you, chances are, they are displaying their personality and it is probably pretty ugly. for people who want symbol of christmas back, this is not nativity scene, it's a tree, claimed they were putting people's lives at risk, not sure how that is, charles. >> hope everyone can get together and sing christmas carols, wouldn't that be great? >> i love it. >> every morning like good morning. and strike up the band, that would be great. i want to see that, folks, please do it. >> i love when this started, the only thing allowed was wreath on the door at the library, you went in and like forensically clean of anything holiday, christmas, hanukkah, nothing, there was one wreath.

people started to speak up on behalf of their kids that might want to go in for a christmas reading in the library this time of season, the librarian working started to pipe up about it and say, let me bring this to people's attention and they got the one woman's attention and here we are. >> and the woman on the human rights commission did resign, she is a miserable person. >> talk about a grinch. human rights commission, she couldn't check that one box. >> what is important, this is one christmas -- happening across the country, as well, people need to come together once you chip away, you take

faith out and strip them, that gives the government opportunity to control, this is just one tree, i look at you don't smash you chip away slowly. >> yes, what is sad, it begins with such disgusting behavior by individuals, it is like one thing if you want the government to have control, but to trash what they believe, call it magic sky dive or whatever the phrase was -- >> sky daddy makes it sound like horrible. >> we have proven -- >> someone who lives in high rise in new york, who has money and likes to give people gifts. >> that would be wonderful gift for human rights commissioner and the librarian. >> quick programming note, don't miss charles payne town halls issue best thing on fox business this thursday during making money, 2 p.m. eastern only on

fox business. liberal media has taken a lot of heat for coverage of pennsylvania senator elect fetterman, calling the guy a fashion icon. we have all given up. that is next.

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>> ftx founder sam bankman-fried arrested in the bahamas and key economic report just out is causing volatility in u.s. equity markets today, what is happening there? reaction coming up and katie will be here with the latest on the energy crisisa. join john roberts and me live at the top of the hour. . join john roberts and me live at the top of the hour. >> it seems anyone can be a

fashion icon in 2022, pennsylvania senator elect john fetterman got attention for his basketball shorts, now he is listed among new york's most stylish for bringing carhart to the capital and carhart jumping on the wagon. fetterman cast alongside christian bale, in a film that takes place in the 1930s. kennedy, i'm all for fashion recommending artistic styles, i'm not sure we are rewarding sloth and slob and every other sl word that comes to mind when i think of john fetterman. >> he's a slob, there is no foresight or style that goes into that, no intent. he's given up on his appearance

and that issin foo, it is okay to have standards as society, purveyor of fashion, developing your own style, it is okay to have standards that is waving the surrender flag, left over from 1992, the other issue is given his job that he was elected for, one coming up around the corner there is dress code at the capitol, he will have to adhere to, the basketball coach from 1992 look won't fly on the senate floor. >> maybe he'll get a suit and hoody. i was reading the ash wednesday show adams family was popular, he is like in the adams family theme, maybe just a day, maybe we're out of touch, maybe we don't know what is hip anymore. >> i reject that, i reject it because -- >> i agree.

>> the intent -- >> i'm afraid to say what i really want to say. it looks like crap. >> thank you. "new york times" rewards him, that is the problem, he's being rewarded by the media, like an emperor's new clothes, he looks horrible. >>ic loo the emperor's old clothes. >> the voters rewarded him. >> did they? >> well, he is going to take that be job, isn't he? >> yeah, and i think he thinks he looks like the every man with the hoody on. >> pennsylvania blue collar thing. >> i am not hip, i'm more hip replacement. >> no, you're not, i have great deal of people who have to endure that pain. >> that is cold. >> my grandmother had to, my 16 year old is a sweet kid, that is what she says about me. it works for him politically, i don't believe he will be

dressing like that if that weren't the goal, i know he has health difficulties, dr. oz told me what it was going on with him and there are concerns. >> politics aside, take him shopping. >> he connects with people on that, he has everybody talking about him wearing a hoody, i only thought he had one hoody, a black hoody, and we have shown several colors, unless that is a graphic manipulation, i am relieved to know he wash the one he wears a lot or has more than one, good news. >> who is sloppier, him or your boy sam in the bahamas >> that is a tough competition, it shows they are -- >> sam bankman-fried, look at him, would you trust him with your money? a lot of people did, i wouldn't, i think fetterman's presentation

did win him the race, it pokes fun and mocks what he's out there to do, he is not mark zuckerberg, this is not a tech start up, take it more seriously. >> he will have to when he gets to the capitol, they have a dress code. >> buy that tie. great,ing news, jackie has a new show, one of the co-hosts of the big money show alongside brian brenberg and taylor riggs on january 23rd, jackie, congratulations. >> thank you, we are so excite and received such positive commentary, we are thrilled to kickoff on the business channel. >> how big is the money? are dollars bigger? >> talking big money. >> we have a new puppy, named friday, coming on christmas eve, my mom hates the name i put it out to america, we are stuck with the name friday. >> new show and a puppy.

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♪♪ >> last but not least, it is the unofficial anthem of the season. mariah carey "all i want for christmas is you," but workers in stores, restaurants and bars say they want a break from hearing it on constant repeat. in fact, check out the sign posted on a jukebox in dallas, texas at a bar there last year.

it says the song will be skipped if played before december 1st, and after that, it's only allowed once a night. oh, don't tell mariah. >> they are not cancelling it. i'm so excited about christmas, we have had a bad couple of years with the pandemic but i will say after i start to hear that song over and over, it does get a little annoying. don't cancel it, limit the play time. >> emily. >> all good things in moderation. however, that was my total anthem, i was listening to it as i was wrapping gifts around 5:00 a.m. >> you wrapped gifts already? >> oh, just the stragglers. i've been wrapped since december 2nd. oh, yes. oh, yes. i'm the christmas psychopath? >> no. >> treasure? >> goddess, definitely. charles payne. mariah. >> i was thinking of taking the family to see mariah on friday. a couple years ago took the

family, amazing, with lionel ritchie. my mom passed away a few years and made it tougher, but back in it, you should see the tree, 15 foot tree, it's looking good. we are looking good. bless you and your family this season. >> yeah. >> it's wonderful. charles is absolutely right. regeneration of love and that's what christmas means to so many people and for those of us who have been through it, to have a holiday we are looking forward to it embracing, my favorite song is celine dion "o holy night," and guy benson will back me up on that, and especially the health problems she is facing right now, incredible voice, a beautiful version. >> put me down for "little drummer boy." >> i like "little drummer boy" by justin bieber.

>> bringing the canadian love. nothing beats nat king cole. >> mel torme. >> you just have to hear it. it's a moment. >> as long as it's christmas music, we love it, right? >> amen. >> thanks for being with us and when you can't be with us, set your dvr. we are always here for you. here is "america reports." >> look at the vast numbers increased in the last couple weeks, especially the last 3, 4 days, that is not sustainable and that's with title 42 in place. we can only imagine when that lifts will do on top of everything else. >> john: the el paso city manager sounding the alarm over the end of title 42 and warning an unprecedented migrant surge will get even worse. border patrol facilities overwhelmed and migrants are released on to the streets. >> sandra: many