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>> john: the most wonderful time of the year or the busiest. add in 40 year high inflation that a lot of americans are feeling the squeeze this year, more than most. >> sandra: so, i find myself asking maybe you as well, john. how can we slow down this holiday season and just soak in the wonder of it all? all new at 2:00, we'll sit down with timothy cardinal dolan, a message for us. who says 3,000 people will come through st. patrick's cathedral on christmas eve, a busy man this holiday season. >> christmas is the time that just the whole world sort of stops and says you know what, there is something beyond us, there is something up there. >> john: welcome back as "america reports" rolls into our second hour. i'm john roberts in washington. i love that thought. >> sandra: i always, always enjoy an opportunity to sit down and speak with the cardinal and extra special to do this right before christmas, john.

i'm san doctor smith in new york, and that christmas message of hope will be coming up this hour. and talk to byron york about twitter, fbi and hunter biden, begin with the fox news alert on president biden's border crisis. >> john: a border official is spared, or officials are spared from what was expected to be up to 15,000 migrant crossings a day but that may not be the case for very long. >> that brings us to 2:00 on the east coast and the white house now has just three hours to respond after the supreme court granted that 11th hour request, it happened around 4:55 p.m. last night, to temporarily halt the end of title 42. the pandemic era policy prevented the entry of millions of migrants. >> john: border communities are still bearing the brunt of the crisis. new video showing masses of

released migrants cammed out in the el paso airport, sleeping on the floor, on chairs, wherever they can find a space. that city's democratic mayor declaring a state of emergency over the weekend. >> sandra: over 4 million migrants have crossed the southwest border since biden took office in 2021, the white house is still insisting the border is not open, but critics are not buying it. >> rhetoric, nothing more than rhetoric, all we get from this white house. they don't provide any evidence whatsoever to back up their claim. if we had what was necessary from this white house it would not cost the american people anything and we would be able to get the border under control. he doesn't want to do it. >> john: texas border sheriff and former agent thad cleveland is seeing the crisis firsthand, will join us in moments to tell us what's going on in his county. >> sandra: awe how new york city is handling the influx of migrants here being bussed

north. >> john: first, jacqui heinrich has the latest from the biden administration and that deadline looming, jacqui. >> remember all the details we were promised all last week on how the administration plans to manage the border when title 42 is lifted? we still don't have them. the president has nothing on his public schedule, no briefing today, and even though john kirby availed himself to reporters for a virtual q & a, we don't have any details as to whether this plan is even complete. >> dhs has done a fair amount of work here in terms of preparing for the expiration of 42 and i think it's best and most appropriate to speak to the work when and if they can. >> is it that finished? >> i would refer you to dhs. >> dhs has not gotten back to us, and they are moving forward with plans for title 42 to be

lifted but distancing themselves from it. >> a court order, we are going to comply, we follow the rule of law -- that is a court order. >> started by you guys. >> court order has been provided to us. >> we'll know by 5:00 whether the administration is still pushing to lift title 42, border management plan in place or not. but remember, the president said who pushed for this back in april. >> i can give you a straight answer. we had proposed to eliminate that policy by the end of may. >> in the meantime, the white house is sharpening the messaging about what title 42 end means. >> i want to be very clear here. the fact is that the removal of title 42 does not mean the border is open. anyone who suggests otherwise is simply doing the work of the smugglers who again are spreading misinformation and which are -- which is very

dangerous. >> misinformation, if you say the border is open, that is the word from the white house even though dhs says we could see as many as 15,000 crossings per day when title 42 goes away. >> john: ask the migrants, is the border open, they say yes. don't know what the white house is talking about. jacqui, thank you. >> sandra: thousands of migrants arriving in the big apple from texas. new york city mayor adams is warning critical city programs will disappear if the feds don't step in to cover the costs. bryan llenas has the latest. >> sandra, good afternoon. the fact is, new york city is a sanctuary city that does not want to pay to be a sanctuary city. over 31,000 migrants have arrived here, welcomed by the city since the spring. many of them bussed from texas. they are offered, sandra, an

onslaught of free services, including shelter. behind me is the row hotel. 3600 migrant families with children live in this hotel, by the way was going for about $200 a night for travelers before it was turned into the largest of four humanitarian relief centers set up by the city in the heart of manhattan, prime real estate, steps away from popular times square, they get private rooms, culturally appropriate three meals a day, baby formula, healthcare, including mental health and vaccinations, and enrollment into city schools. all of this is expensive. it's costing the city $93,000 a year to provide these services for every migrant family of four. the city says it has spent at least $596 million on the migrant crisis this year, but that number could be a billion when it's all said and done.

mayor adams says the city cannot afford to put the bill and they are demanding federal help or else. >> this is unfair to all of our cities to have to go through this without any help from the national government and the state government. i'm not going to sugar coat it, i'm not going to give the impression that this new influx is not going to impact our basic services. >> and this is new video of long lines of migrants this morning in downtown manhattan waiting to meet with immigration officials for mandated check-ins and appointments, and back here in midtown manhattan, the city, the mayor says they expect a surge of 1,000 new migrants a week if title 42 ends. >> sandra: doesn't matter if you are a border community or not, everywhere has to prepare for the influx. thank you very much. john. >> john: thad cleveland, a sheriff in texas on the border

with mexico and a former border patrol agent. sheriff, you have seen from both sides of law enforcement here. we are in what could be a brief reprieve before title 42 finally comes off. what do you believe needs to happen between now and when it ultimately does come off in order to deal with this crisis? >> yes, sir, and so as you said, 49 years i've lived on the southwest border, my entire life. 26 years as a border patrol agent, the last 11 years as the patrol agent charged in sanderson, texas, in terro county. and original intent title 42 to protect the agents of the u.s. border patrol, customs and border protection officers as well as the local communities. at some point we need to get away from title 42 and get back to having a consequence for people that cross our borders illegally, who enter into the united states illegally. right now if the last two years, no consequences.

>> john: so what's the situation there, you are in a fairly remote area of the border, no big border crossings in the area. i assume you get a lot of drug smuggling traffic that goes on there, as drug smugglers coming up from mexico try to avoid the authorities. but what kind of an impact is this illegal migration having on your county. >> it's been huge, and sanderson is located in the middle of del rio and el paso, 600 miles of border between those two cities. i can tell you our community, other small communities across the texas border are suffering. we don't have the resources to address the illegal aliens crossing in the area. i have two deputies, myself and two deputies, one dps trooper on a full-time basis, and we are constantly working border security activity.

it pulls us away, pulls ems services away and affects the private land owners as well. >> john: we know a huge effect on ranchers who spend most of their time cleaning up the mess the migrants make as they let livestock out and cut lines and things like that. and karine jean-pierre said it could be better if only republicans would agree to give us more money. what she said, listen here. >> i mean, we are asking for $3.5 billion in additional funding to help us with the challenges we are seeing. if congressional republicans are serious about this, serious about dealing with what the challenges that we are currently seeing, then they would assist in helping making sure the men and the women of the dhs has the resources that they need. >> john: sheriff, would throwing more money at this crisis fix it? >> no, sir. what can fix it is what's coming out of the white house, the

message that's delivered from the united states of america from the people looking to come to our country, and the migrant protection protocols, taking place under president trump and worked. also i mentioned that you know, there are some pros with title 42 but it needs to go away, it served its purpose. but what it does do, enables our border patrol agents to stay in the field longer. it shortens the amount of processing that's required thus giving them more time to be in the field, but we need to get back, need to get back to ensuring that we have a consequence for someone who enters our country illegally, and remain in mexico mpp program. i want to mention that i'm -- the last week i've seen seven people allowed into this country, five were cubans, two nicaraguans, allowed into the country under asylum within the last four months and they have already come into my county -- so not everybody is coming to do

good things. >> no, we see that, particularly the hundreds thousands of got aways as well, we don't know what they are in the country for. call for number three here, congressman, or former congressman will heard of texas thought a good start would be to fire alejandra mayorkas. >> president biden has not recognized this is a crisis. administration has not recognized it's a crisis and have not demonstrated an ability to enforce the law. he needs to fire secretary mayorkas and all the people advising him on border security. >> john: critics say mayorkas has no credibility at home, no credibility in the international community as well, that none of the leaders of the countries that are part of the root cause of immigration are listening to him. what do you say? >> i have to agree with that. i tell you, with what's happening in the department of homeland security, i don't know how you can go home and look

your family in the face or his family and say that you are doing all that you can do with homeland security at this time. with border security, and we have to make sure we separate border security and illegal immigration. it's a solveable problem. i've said it for many years. this problem is solveable. there are short-term solutions. again, consequences, mpp, long-term solutions, border security and change the immigration laws. >> john: sheriff thad cleveland from terrell county, texas. wish you well in the days ahead and merry christmas. and that's a fairly remote area of texas, not like del rio or eagle pass or el paso or the mcallen area where you have all the migrants turning themselves in, wanting to get in the country, he's dealing with a lot

of cross border drug traffic and migrants damaging property in the big bend area. >> sandra: where is kamala harris? i had to go back and look, march 24, 2021 where she was made the border czar by president biden. where is she? what has she done? >> john: i think that's a good question to ask and i don't think there's much of an answer either. >> sandra: remarkable. >> john: tens of millions of americans have plans to travel in the next few days for christmas, but will they get there? a looming winter storm could make travel a nightmare with some airlines already issuing waivers for canceled flights. >> sandra: oh, man, already looking messy. some cities like st. paul could see snow and temperatures dropping to 30 below 0 and snow could freshen up the ski slopes out west. the latest as the storm barrels down. plus, cardinal timothy dolan --

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a new ride for christmas. car sales are expected to be down by about a million, compared to last year. everybody had the pent-up cash from sitting inside during the covid pandemic but looks like a lot of the cash has been spent. >> sandra: a few things, i'm surprised they report their bow sales, amazing. certainly, car sales are down, interest rates are going up, harder to buy a car for a lot of people. thirdly, maybe it's instagram, a lot of make them at home bows out there and a lot of ways to do it. it's amazing to watch. >> john: you would have to really want to make a bow to make a bow that big. >> sandra: one theory. all right, john. we are watching all of that and every christmas season it seems we get busier and busier, adding stress to a time that should be bringing us joy and peace. as we celebrate with friends and family. so, how do we find that?

sat down with timothy cardinal dolan, archbishop of new york, for his christmas message this year. >> sandra, good to be with you, thank you for the invite. >> sandra: i already feel you are bringing joy to all of us. you have such a hopeful message at christmas time. you are in the perfect mood then. >> look, here is what happens, all right. we -- christmas is the time that we -- that just the whole world sort of stops and says you know what, there's something beyond us, there's something up there, not just a something, there is a someone. and this someone loves us so much that he became one of us. he sent his only begotten son, our lord and saviour jesus christ to be one of us, and not only that, he came as a little baby. that's the invitation of christmas. take god into your life as you

would a little baby, and if that doesn't give us meaning and joy, i don't know what does. >> sandra: a beautiful message cardinal dolan, you are able to reach so many. and i know you know that and see the church pews full at christmas time, but is it like that all the time, and there have been trends that are rather concerning when it comes to this country, and losing our faith. this is the latest pew research. on christians in america, and there has been a sharp decline as you well know and those that identify as christians in this country. in 1972, the decades around it, the number hovered over 90% for a very long time. it has since dropped and dropped in a big way to 64% who identify as christians as of this year. and that is projected to drop as low as 35%, cardinal dolan, by the year 2070. why do you believe there are a

growing number of americans that are no longer identifying as christian in this country? >> well, i'm afraid you're right. i would share your sense of alarm, sandra, in the sobering statistics. as a pastor, i have to pay attention to that. and jewish friends are experiencing the same. seems to be a decline in religious affiliation. thanks be to god, the number of people that believe in god is rather high but even that's on the decline. now, i'm supposed to be in the business of hope, so even though those are sobering statistics that challenge me to do more to keep people close to god and in the faith, there is a bright side here. first of all, when everybody is a christian, nobody is a christian. you know what i'm saying? when it's the thing to do, when

it's just cultural, when it's just social, when it's like oh, i guess everybody on this block is christian or jewish, i guess i'll be that. no, religion, faith, always means a personal decision and choice. so maybe as we go into a minority status, maybe that in itself is going to revive us. secondly, our god has revealed in the bible that he ain't in the numbers, all right. how many -- we are going to have 3,000, sandra, for midnight mass. how many the first night in bethlehem, joseph and mary and some cows and donkeys, there were not many. our faith is in him, our faith are not in studies and polls and numbers, our faith is in god. so that's another thing that gives me hope, but look, i would be hopelessly naive if i didn't say this challenges me, we have to do a better job of presenting

god and faith and religion in -- with a bit more luster to get people back. they come back at christmas and i always say hey, glad you are here, did you enjoy it? they'll applaud, and we do it every sunday, i hope i will see you back. some way we have to give a sense of invitation. >> sandra: you inspire us all, and honor to have you on the show and the network today and your message reaches so many, it's a hopeful one. meri you. >> appreciate you, a blessed christmas, ok? >> thank you, cardinal. >> sandra: always a great opportunity to sit down with the cardinal, a beautiful message of hope especially around the holidays, john. >> john: if he ever wanted to get out of the cardinal business, he would make a great santa claus. >> sandra: he's good at what he's doing right now. >> john: the rosy cheeks. >> sandra: he said he had just come off a couple egg nogs.

and the holiday show, we had the honor and pleasure heading out to west point. it will feature the west point band. john, i promise you this is a spectacular show. it's going to air saturday, christmas eve, 8:00 p.m. eastern time, and just a little tid bit from heading out to prepare for that special at west point, one of the most beautiful campuses in the country. when i was walking off the campus late at night i had the pleasure and treat of seeing the glee club there at west point walk up the steps of the general's porch, he and his wife stepped out, and they were singing -- they were carolling door to door. "carol of the bells" they sang to the general, one of the most special things i've ever seen, especially days before christmas. >> john: such a great christmas carol, i love that one. i remember the band at buckhead church did that one sunday before christmas.

>> sandra: written by a ukrainian composer. >> john: amazing tune. and speaking of egg nog, rum or bourbon? >> sandra: great question. right now, rum. my husband is bourbon in the egg nog, it's a matter of taste. you are rum? >> john: i'm both, but like the dark rum. >> sandra: fresh shaved nutmeg on top. >> john: a white christmas, snowy weather, freezing tems could create the challenge for holiday travelers. all of the fresh powder could make skiers happy as long as you get to the mountain first. we are live with the latest. >> sandra: the new batch of twitter files how intertwined the fbi was with the social media, mainstream media does not seem to be covering any of it. byron york will be here live

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included in that, and the chicagoland suburbs. but factor in the snow with the winds, upwards of 60 to 70 mile per hour wind gust. this is going to be a near blizzard-like scenario setting up for lots of areas in and around the great lakes region. and you can see it all starts to take shape thursday morning through thursday afternoon, indianapolis, cleveland, ohio and detroit getting in on this. a multi-day system, lots of different weather events weather-wise we will continue to track, so you'll want to make sure that you are staying ahead of this system with really cold air also sinking into place as well with note this, wind chills between 40 to 50 below 0. back to you. >> that is bordering on cold. >> oh, yeah, oh, yeah. >> john: michael, thank you for the forecast, we'll get back to you as the storm progresses. >> sandra: the storm raising

fears of massive flight delays and cancellations. katie burn is live at philadelphia international airport with us. katie, where is the snow right now? where is it heading? >> hey, sandra, john. it's already snowing in the northwestern parts of the country, so places like washington, montana and idaho, you are seeing it there, and the snow is already causing cancellations and delays in and out of seattle tacoma international airport. so bad timing the storm is for the nearly 113 million people expected to be travelling this week and next week for the holidays, and the storm is really just getting started. by tomorrow, the snow is expected to reach the midwest before turning into more of a rain and wind event for us here in the east. but some airlines are already sending out waivers to passengers offering to change their flights for free. even though they are in philly, nearly 3,000 miles from where the snow is starting, the spokesperson says this snow can have a domino effect impacting airlines and flights here as well. so, as of right now, we know

about 27% of flights have been disrupted out of seattle-tacoma international airport. >> sandra: thank you very much, for continuing coverage, fox weather, download the app for free and use your phone, scan the qr code seen on the screen. john. >> john: author michael shellenberger releasing twitter seven, they wrote it off as a russian warning, and bird in hand, how the fbi pressured to censor hunter biden story the agency knew was true. byron york, we were talking during the break you think the data dump, twitter files episode

7, the most interesting one, wrote we present evidence pointing to an organized effort by representatives of the intelligence community aimed at senior executives at news and social media companies to discredit leaked information about hunter biden before and after it was published. >> i think what this, the latest revelations show is the fbi used twitter to suppress information on the pretext of it being russian disinformation. but to suppress legitimate news stories that would be negative to joe biden. you know, we have talked about this before saying the twitter story is really an fbi story. this makes clear how much the fbi was using twitter. that is, they briefed, the fbi briefed twitter officials saying be on the lookout for this. there could be a russian disinformation operation and it could target hunter biden, and this could happen, and this could happen, and they made twitter officials really

sensitive to this possibility, and said wow, we could be in for a devastating attack on our democracy. >> john: the new york post story -- >> they thought that's it, that's what the fbi has been telling us about so they suppressed the story, did what the fbi wanted them to do. >> john: so basically the fbi programmed them. >> it appears that way. you know, for a lot of conservatives, especially, roth, the chief censor at twitter seemed to be the villian early on. and now it seems the fbi is manipulating him, doing what he thinks the fbi is telling him to do, what would be best and in fact it's the fbi driving this. >> john: to your point, he wrote it's important to understand that hunter biden earned tens of millions in contracts with foreign businesses, including the chinese government, hunter offered no real work and yet during all of 2020 the fbi and other law enforcement agencies repeatedly primed roth from

twitter to dismiss reports of hunter biden's laptop as a russian hack and leak operation. there is the programming right there. >> and we have known, we have always known the fbi physically had the laptop at this time, they got it in 2019 from the repair shop owner, so the fbi had it, they knew or should have known that it was not russian disinformation. they also had rudy giuliani under surveillance. giuliani got the laptop, the laptop information, and he gave it to the post for political reasons. obviously he wanted to hurt the biden campaign. but it was accurate information and it wasn't russian disinformation. >> john: although the fbi and 51 members, former members of the intelligence community said that's most likely what it was. >> that was the story. >> john: intrigue getting deeper and deeper. >> it does. we have learned a lot more what the government's part in this was. >> john: safe travels down south

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>> john: fox news alert, a california judge ruling scott peterson will not be granted a new trial. he will spend the rest of his life in prison for the murders of his wife laci and their unborn son. claudia reporting live with the breaking news from california. claudia. >> hey, john. the judge's ruling dashing scott peterson's hope for a new trial, rejecting his claim one of the jurors from his original trial back in 2004 was so biased

against him that it tainted his conviction for the murder of his pregnant wife, lac, and their unborn son connor. a judge just issuing her written ruling, 55-page ruling moments ago in which she basically said she found no evidence of any prejudicial misconduct. it resolved around a woman, juror number 7, nickname of strawberry short cake. they say she lied on the juror questionnaire asked if she had been a victim of a crime or filed a lawsuit. she answered no, but in fact she had once taken out a restraining order when she was pregnant. a fact the defense claims shows she had axe to grind here. in 2020, the supreme court overturned the death sentence because of mistakes made during jury selection and told the

lower court to look at allegations surrounding the juror. and nice defended her answers on the jury form saying she never considered herself to be a victim and the judge has agreed she was not biased, so his conv conviction stands. scott peterson is now 50 years old, life without parole, the most recent mug shot when he was moved off death row and to sacramento. the defense team says they have other appeals in the works but for laci peterson's family, in a few days, marking the 20th christmas without her, the judge's ruling this afternoon must come as a huge relief, john. they will not have to relive one of the most sensational murder trials in recent history or sit in a courtroom across from scott peterson. back to you. >> john: i'm sure it's a relief for the family. claudia, thank you.

sandra. >> sandra: the fbi bringing on more agents to investigate the murders of four university of idaho students as the probe enters its fifth week now and still no suspect or motive. in the meantime, new surveillance video appears to show a man walking with the girl kaylee and maddie hours before the murders happened. john, good to have you here today. we have seen the video of the two girls walking down the street, first the food truck and then down the street, hard to believe, five weeks in, still no suspect. does that surprise you at this point? >> well, it is a little surprising just because of the nature of the scene in which this occurred and the fact that somebody was able to move through that house and commit all of these bloody murders and there's no evidence left behind. that's the surprise. the length of time it takes for dna and these types of things to get back, even toxicology, is

not a surprise. so, those things, and also vetting these cameras and going around and bringing the technology in, trap and trace data from the different cell towers, that all takes time because investigators have to go through it. so, that's not a surprise, but it is a huge surprise there is absolutely no physical evidence that we have heard of. >> sandra: to that point, when you say it like that, you are talking no blood of an unidentified person or something left behind that would have stood out from what the other college students would have left in that house. although to your point, when you think about the number of people that were coming and going through that college house, that would be difficult to decipher a stranger leaving something behind, right? >> it would, but you have to realize that the way that these murders occurred, there was a system in place.

he did kill one person and then another and then another and then a fourth. so, there will be dna, especially from the bodies spread throughout the scene and it's hard to believe that the killer, some of their dna with all the technology there now, they can even get dna off of a fingerprint, that there is no other dna in and around those bodies, that is a really puzzling thing. >> sandra: mark furman was going to be joining us and has suggested to us, speaking with the parents of -- speaking with the parents of kaylee, kaylee and maddie were in the same bed when they were murdered. he considered they were the intended target of the suspect and in his opinion, the suspect was already inside that residents when the four victims arrived. have you come to similar conclusions based on what police have told us?

>> no. i think that -- that comes from the goncalves family who i do wish that a judge would clamp down on them and their attorney. i think the information they put out has confused the public so much because law enforcement has not been able to get ahead of this family. this family puts out more information than anyone else, and we have already seen where a couple of times that information has no backing. so when i look at this, i look at what the evidence has shown and what the police have given us, and what they have shown does not lead me to believe that anyone was in the house. they could have been, but i haven't seen any evidence of it, nor where they actually entered from. i think they entered from the second floor just by looking at the tactics of this, and the easiest way for a killer to get in and get out but we just don't know that, because that information has not been released to the public. and one thing about this car

report. this car report is very interesting. >> sandra: the white hyundai elantra. >> right. found abandoned what appears to be elantra hyundai in eugene, oregon, only an hour away from where some previous murders happened about a year ago in i believe it was salem, oregon. and when you follow the freeway, it goes from salem through eugene and then up and over to where this university is in idaho. so, i would suggest they go back and look at that murder as well because it's kind of ironic that that car made its way, if it's involved, that it made its way back over to where this other murder happened, two people, or one person was killed and two were stabbed at 3:00 in the morning in a very similar manner. >> sandra: finally on police resources currently working this case, you've got the six moscow pd detectives, five support

staff, communications team, 13 investigators, 15 state troopers, 60 fbi personnel, two fbi behavioral analysis, 10,000 tips received by the tips. do you believe based on what we know so far and where this is five weeks in, that there needs to be any change of leadership or additional resources added? >> i think from the very beginning it should have been turned over to the state and the fbi assisting and i think the fact that the fbi has increased the amount of people that are involved in this is pleasing to me to see that that's the case. what bothers me, though, is that i'm not putting down the moscow police department, but i have seen in the past with police departments that have no experience or little experience when it comes to homicide investigation wanting to maintain control and that ends

up causing more problems than helping. and so what i hope is occurring, and again we don't know, this could be occurring, all these agencies are working together, and that moscow facilitates what the state and the fbi needs when they come in there and that they allow them to do this. but the problem we have here is this is a university town, and i do believe that politics is playing a huge part in this because they don't want it to get out of control in media, and that ends up being a problem with investigations as they move forward and who is involved. >> sandra: and double digit percentages folks have not returned to the campus and won't until there is a suspect in custody. appreciate you joining us, sir. thank you very much. >> john: always good to hear from him. fox news alert, as we approach the top of the hour. deadline ticking for the department of justice to respond to the supreme court ruling from chief justice john roberts.

a temporary stay on the rescission of title 42. don't know what the white house or the doj are going to say in their response, whether they will support the rescission of title 42 or support the stay and try to make it permanent. we do know, though, we don't have, sandra, any kind of a plan articulated from the white house or dhs on what will happen, what they will do when title 42 comes off. jacqui heinrich asked for dhs for updated plans pointing that karine jean-pierre said on the 15th the details would be forthcoming. a spokesperson telling jacqui "we will keep you in the loop when we have more to provide, thank you," which reinforces the notion a lot of critics have they don't have a plan. >> sandra: john, we are approaching 3:00, we are two hours now from that deadline where the white house has to respond, ok. and there was a lid called at

the white house this morning around 10:30 in the morning, we do know per jacqui heinrich as well the white house sent this along a short time ago, when we asked the question, where is kamala, the border czar, the president and the vice president had lunch in the president's private dining room. >> john: i'm sure they were talking root causes, or maybe eating beet root, who knows. breaking news from the sports world, golfers on the liv tour will be able to compete in the 2023 masters tournament. masters chairman putting out a statement, regretbly, it divides the virtues of the game and the legacy of those who built it. our focus is honor the tradition of a preimminent golfers.

including dustin johnson, brooks koepka, sergio, garcia and others. a good field. >> sandra: where do you fall on this, you hope for a peace deal to bring golf back together, john? i am. >> john: i love the masters, it's my favorite tournament and the best players in the world should be at the masters. if they can bury the hatchet four days, god bless them. >> sandra: that would be a start. and a unique holiday sweet, a snack shop in chicago has something for you. peppermint pickle. what it looks like, it's a peppermint and a pickle. owner of the store is claiming it's an old chicago tradition, although run that by me, i've never had one and never seen one. the candy cane gives it a nice sweet and the pickle does its

thing, i don't know, 2.50, i guess. no thank you. >> john: $2.50 for a pickle with a candy cane in it? go to the grocery store and get 50 for two bucks. >> sandra: merry christmas, john and i will be back here tomorrow. and hope you will be >> martha: thanks, guys. good afternoon. i'm martha maccallum. we have just learned that after all of the questions for the white house about what are they doing to solve this crisis at the border, now president biden will head to mexico city on january 9. there's no mention of whether he will visit the border during that trip. we do expect that the white house will respond to the supreme court's temporary extension of title 42 and that that will happen shortly. when pressed on what they can do to stop this mass border