in america. you do you, celebrate it, do what you want, just don't burn down the christmas tree. >> i like that. you do you. here is "america reports." >> john: doc, thank you. congress's big spending bill expected to pass but will not include a measure to save title 42. republican senator mike lee lacking the votes for his immigration amendment. >> expecting an influx of migrants as soon as border restrictions are lifted and they are worried they will not be able to handle the surge. tom homan and hector garza are here. >> the weather looked not great. great for a white christmas, not good for travel. >> we have been delayed until 9:30 p.m. tonight.

>> like an hour later than it should be. >> sounds like every single hour counts in trying to figure out when you are going to get home. >> even being a delayed, a day or so, is a big deal. >> john: kick off "america reports" with the weather, a nightmare before christmas. travelers across the country bracing for what is expected to be a once in a generation storm. hello, i'm john roberts. welcome to thursday eve. >> thanks for having me. >> john: i say thursday eve? wednesday is thursday. >> jacqui: midwest, blizzard-like conditions, expected to intensify to a bomb cyclone. and st. louis, snowfall is just beginning after blanketing areas of montana. >> john: all of this, so far today, more than 2600 delays, 1700 cancellations. the winter storm making its way from the plains to new england,

bringing bitterly cold temperatures. fox team coverage starts now with madison alworth on how new england is bracing for frigid temperatures. >> jacqui: but first, middy is live in minneapolis. minnesota could see the coldest christmas in decades, right? >> hey, good afternoon, jacqui. the people here in minnesota, they are tough here. i'll tell you, this kind of weather, the temperatures that we are feeling right now will humble even the toughest. air temperatures across the twin cities ranging anywhere between negative seven and negative 10, and factor in the wind chill, negative 33°, so if you are thinking ouch, that's exactly what we are feeling right now. but the meteorologists with the fox weather forecast tell us people in the region are used to this kind of weather. but what makes this a little different than something than we have seen before, especially compared to last winter, it's going to last a little longer

than normal. we won't have relief until after christmas. and not just worried about the frigid temperatures, but this stuff right here. i don't know if you can see it, it's the fluffy snow right here. later today when we get the wind gusts, when those start kicking in to 45 miles per hour, the powdery snow will blow everywhere. the national weather service is urging people to stay off the roads. the concern here is what they call a ground blizzard. and it's just not worth being out on the roads and risking your life today. back to you. >> jacqui: middy hicks in minneapolis, thanks so much. >> john: new england bracing for bitter cold temperatures and freezing rain in the days leading up to christmas. millions of families already facing higher heating costs, now preparing for potential power outages, keeps getting better and better. madison is live in boston. we have about 70,000 massachusetts residents who could lose power? >> yeah, john, that's right.

and at this point seeming like a definite, those widespread outages are absolutely being anticipated, not just by the people who live here but by the energy providers. i spoke to one ever source, one of the main energy providers here in this state and new hampshire, they are expecting such problems they have canceled vacation for their employees and hired additional crews in preparation for this storm. >> we have a storm predictive model we work on with the university of connecticut and that predictive tool shows about 1,000 damage locations across massachusetts over, say, the 24, 36-hour period, so we absolutely will see some activity. >> and crews were going to have to work quickly, heat will be urgently needed shortly after the storm in this part of the country. that's because a surge of arctic air will likely follow making energy recovery a necessity.

not only do you need it for christmas, but if the temperatures drop as they are expecting, it creates a dangerous situation. of course, all of this, yes, happening before the holidays and before holiday travel. that's why aaa is warning drivers they are saying the roads are going to be dangerous. they anticipate 898,000 vehicles will break down on the road between now and the new year. so they are telling drivers to be prepared and be safe, especially if you are choosing to drive over fly, because problems are also going to be on the road unfortunately, john. >> john: up or down, it's all a mess. madison alworth for us, thank you. you are doing a little bit of travelling this weekend, but not a whole lot. >> jacqui: not a whole lot. i'm hoping my flight on monday is on time travelling with the president for his vacation. >> john: down to st. croix. hardship posting. >> jacqui: in the meantime, get your battery sandwiches.

your milk, bread, things for power outage. >> john: i grew up in a place where it's cold, but in the plains states, it's darn cold. download fox weather, and use your phone if you are really quick to run up to the screen and capture the qr code and it will pop right up. >> jacqui: tensions over immigration policy are boiling over capitol hill. amendments to extend title 42 are failing as the senate makes progress isn't the spending bill. dozens, excuse me, conditions are rapidly getting worse for cities and towns along the border as migrants continue to enter the country illegally. complete coverage on fox, national border patrol council vice president hector garza will join us in a moment. but first, bill melugin is live at the border in eagle pass, texas. and there are thousands in mexico just waiting for title 42

to drop, right? >> jacqui, that's exactly right. potentially tens of thousands of them, and now we are getting a chance to show our viewers what that looks like. take a look at the video from a law enforcement source showing the situation in brownsville, texas yesterday afternoon in the rgv. what you are looking at is a mass of hundreds upon hundreds of migrants who gathered on the mexican side of the river and waiting for title 42 to drop yesterday when it was originally supposed to to essentially rush the river and enter the united states. you can see how many were gathered waiting for word that title 42 was gone, and that is why dhs is projecting the monster numbers, up to 14,000 illegal crossings per day. that was just one part of the border yesterday down in the rio grande valley. take you up to yuma, arizona today, take a look at the video the team in arizona shot this afternoon, early this morning, actually, a group of several hundred that crossed illegally

into yuma. that sector starting to heat up, sometimes 1,000 illegal crossings in a day and the demographics are different. in yuma, people from the middle east, russia, china, here mostly cubans, colombians, and nicaraguans. and this was a group of several hundred, maybe 200 that crossed over during the early morning hours on to the same private property, a pecan orchard ranch. this happens every morning out here and i mentioned the demographics crossing here because of that, the cubans, colombians, nicaraguans are not subject to title 42, so most get released after they are processed by border patrol. and el paso, groups of illegal immigrants running across a major interstate, this is i-10 in el paso after they have crossed illegally, obviously not looking to turn themselves in or

surrender, they are looking to evade, they disappear into neighborhoods with no border patrol apprehension. that makes them likely got-aways. and finish off with some fentanyl busts in arizona, first photo here, nogales, arizona, cbp officers at the port of entry stopping a train that came in from mexico and on that train they find a hidden compartment, 736,000 fentanyl pills, and the day before that, same spot, nogales, arizona, cbp stopped two cars and seized more than 300,000 fentanyl pills. two separate busts, one in a vehicle's seats and the other a gas tank. so that port of entry got more than 1 million fentanyl pills. back out here live over the weekends, the same port of entry got 1 million fentanyl pills. nogales getting inundated with

the smuggler, and cbp doing a fantastic job nabbing as much of the deadly product as they can. but unfortunately, obviously a lot is getting through the border with the amount of overdose deaths in the united states. back to you. >> jacqui: bill, thanks so much. >> john: hector garza, he joins us now. this morning we had claudia rodriguez on, el paso city representative. what she told us about the deteriorating situation there. listen here. >> we have set up shelters at the convention center, one of the local school districts has set up and they have loaned us two of their empty school buildings to use as shelters as well. it's not slowing down. president biden comes down here and sees the repercussions of the decisions he has made. >> john: el paso is reeling from the influx of migrants as are

many other cities, and the president still refuses to go down there and talk to folks, your members, hector on the front lines there, about what's really happening. how important do you believe it is for the president to come down there? >> well it's extremely important. he has to realize and see for himself what destruction he is causing in the border communities and what he's actually doing to border security. we think this administration is intent on destroying the border patrol. they are intend on having open borders and i think their policy is to just process asylum seekers and illegal aliens quicker into this country to release them under catch and release. and unfortunately, catch and release is the magnet driving people to this country. why wouldn't they come from all of these countries all over the world. biden and the democrats are allowing them to come into the united states. >> john: it's interesting, we had chad wolf on earlier today and he floated a theory i had not heard before, the reason we

are seeing people from so many places around the world, the cartels know there's only a finite number of people in places like honduras, el salvador, guatemala, in order to keep up their business and their cash flow they are starting to actively recruit people from other places around the world. have you seen that? >> that's what they do every day. they market their services, they use this administration's messaging to be able to encourage more people to come over to the border illegally, and meanwhile, they are crossing the people through the border between ports of entry. also crossing dangerous drugs at the bridges, between ports of entry, and unfortunately the ones that are suffering are not only the border communities but all the communities in the united states that are being ravaged by all the dangerous drugs, hard drugs that are killing our kids and our neighbors and our families. so yeah, it's a complete destruction but let's be very clear. not only falls on the biden

administration, this chaos also falls on congress. congress needs to do a job and represent the american people and find a fix for the border security chaos we are experiencing every day. >> john: the white house as my colleague jacqui can attest to is putting the blame now on people who are saying that the border for all intents and purposes is open, karine jean-pierre saying the other day if you say the border is open you are doing the work of the cartels. guess who is doing the work of the cartels, democratic congressman henry cuellar. >> the border is open, that's what people say, the border is open. >> john: you can say the border is open, closed, secure, but if people by the millions are walking across it it is de facto open, is it not? >> clear definition of an open

border. and the white house is lying to the american people. they are even lying to their own voters about what's happening in the united states borders. it's clear we have open borders and the policies that this administration is again catch and release, and made it very clear that they want us as border patrol agents to process faster so that we can get more people to have crossed the border illegally into the united states and the american streets and meanwhile, while we are tied up processing so many family units and single male adults, we have all these other dangerous criminals, potential terrorists that might be crossing the border. yeah, it's a total destruction, and open border and the white house and the democrats can stop lying to the american people and be honest about what's happening in our country. >> john: hector garza, national border patrol council, i hope you get to spend some time with

your family over the holidays. >> jacqui: were more than a million jobs added by mistake, and could the fed spike interest rates even further? >> john: and the u.s. upping the ante to help ukraine. a nearly $2 billion spending package with a missile defense system included. is it enough, though, for ukraine's fight against russia. we will ask fred coming up. >> i'm ok with the effort but not the fact we are paying all the bills and borrowing the money to do it. looks like fresh real meat and veggies. the food dogs where built to eat. the farmer's dog is changing the way we feed our pets. visit tryfarmersdog.com to see your dogs personalized meal plan. veteran homeowners, need cash? with the newday 100 loan, there are no upfront costs for appraisal or termite inspections. no upfront costs at all to get the cash you need. veterans get more at newday.

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federal reserve bank of philadelphia noticed the department of labor overestimated job growth in at least 33 states and washington, d.c. during that time. the report claims only 10,000 new jobs were added, not 1.1 million. economist and former trump adviser steve moore is here to weigh in. is it unusual for the estimate and the revision to just be this far apart? >> yeah, first of all, i don't think there was any deliberate attempt to lie about the data. you just have two different reports that come out. one is a report that measures how many people businesses are hiring, and the other report is a sample of people that, they asked people are you working. and what's unusual, usually the reports are pretty close. this is a giant gap. a million jobs, so all scratching our head. but i have talked to people at the bureau of labor statistics.

i think what is going to happen over time, you will see a convergence. so, i would say over that period, instead of a million jobs created, somewhere near a half million. >> john: put it up on the screen what the philadelphia fed said. estimated jobs were over 1 million, and after revisions oh, no, it was not that, we missed by a million and 21,000. it was 10,500. >> highly unusual. that big of a -- >> john: it has an effect, pointed out by barrons, said the problem is with continued stronger than anticipated employment the fed locked into an inflation taming narrative, this leads to greater risk the fed will overshoot its target, keep interest rates high based on estimations that are incorrect. >> and again, we don't know which of these reports is incorrect. the one that says 10,000 or the one that says it's a million. i will say this. right now, right at this moment,

it's still a strong jobs market for people looking for jobs. the jobs are out there right now. we have another report that says there is about 8 million open jobs. the problem is, as we move into 2023, it looks like the economy is really weakening and my advice to people if you are thinking about getting a job, get it outwhile they are still there. >> jacqui: my other question is the biden administration claimed historic job growth in july is the big reason why we are not heading toward recession as we are dealing with inflation. said in a statement the strength of the labor market is call for number three, along with other economic indicators not what we generally see in recession or prerecession. it's a sign of enormous progress, and fight the global challenges of inflation. and in july they thought they had the huge growth. when they had it wrong, does it change the calculus whether we are heading to recession? >> the fed may have rates too quickly, not realizing the economy is weaker than it is.

here is the bottom line number i like to use with jobs, we are still 3 to 4 million jobs short of where we were before the pandemic. so we are trying to figure out how do we get these workers back into the workforce. we did a report that you guys have been reporting on at fox shows we are still paying people a lot of money not to work, john. a lot of money. >> john: $100,000 or more. >> and not work a single hour. >> john: we talk about the effect of this overestimation, put up the big board if we could for a second here. look at what the dow is doing. down 735 points because, according to some analyses i've read today, there was still the idea the economy is still running too hot, that there are more jobs being created than actually are, that there are jobs that are wanting as well, and things are just steaming along too fast, may cause the fed to raise rates even further. >> it would be foolish to think the economy is growing too

quickly, it has not grown much at all. first half the year, 0 growth and negative, in recession. >> john: wasn't there just a revision in quarter three? >> most economists are worried where we are. an hour ago, john, the congress passed irresponsible nearly 2 trillion spending bill. the biggest problem for the economy is the massive debt and spending and congress has added to the problem with a massive new spending bill. >> john: well, things may change as of january 3rd. >> even the national security in ukraine, yeah, ukraine has a national security issue. you know what one of the biggest issues for the country is our debt, and what this means and our world -- >> john: mccarthy is on the record saying he would never pass a record like that.

and george bush said read my lips. >> i hate to say it, i think it's going to pass and taxpayers should be angry. every member of congress is trying to play santa claus right now. >> jacqui: see if it clears. we are not there yet, everyone on the hill. >> playing santa claus without money, that's the problem. >> john: steve, great to see you. thanks for coming in. the fbi confirming it did reimburse twitter more than $3 million they say that it was totally legal but critics say it helped suppress information, including the hunter biden laptop story. so, what is the real deal? charlie hurt is up next. >> jacqui: flu cases rising, and doses of tamiflu are being pulled from the strategic national stockpile. to a pharmacy where the shelves are empty as hospitals begin to buckle under the pressure of a tripledemic. >> in the e.r.s you have hallway patients, there are not enough rooms to house the patients coming in.

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>> john: ftx founder sam bankman-fried appearing in a u.s. courthouse this hour. he arrived in new york last night and fox news was there to catch it as it happened. it comes after prosecutors reached plea deals with two former ftx executives, one of whom happens to be his former main squeeze, and they will be likely called to testify against him if it goes to trial. connell mcshane live outside the federal courthouse in lower manhattan. the birds are singing, connell. >> they sure are. that was a big development, john, no doubt about it. caroline ellison had been running alameda research, and gary wong, co-founder of ftx, will both testify against sam bankman-fried. behind me is the site of a

hearing, initial appearance underway as we speak. a number of headlines from the reuters news line, saying sam bankman-fried carried out a fraud of epic proportions and says they will, the government, have testimony from multiple cooperating witnesses. we referred to the two moments ago, and the other news that just broke inside the court is the bail package that has been proposed by the government in this case. according to the government lawyer, it would be "the largest ever pretrial bond." largest ever pretrial bond says the government prosecutor. $250 million bond, $250 million to go along with home detention, location monitoring, and the surrender of sam bankman-fried's passport, so prosecutor rues saying the defense counsel has agreed to the bail package and cohen said as much moments ago asking the court to accept the

conditions. so at this point, just looking down at the judge's comments, says, and this is breaking seconds ago, john, will indeed permit the release of sam bankman-fried on bail. so, you look behind me at the federal courthouse, the likes of bernie madoff in 2009, in that case he was free on $10 million bond. that does not seem like a lot compared to $250 million, but sam bankman-fried at some point this afternoon we expect will be walking out of doors and he will await trial with two of his former colleagues set to testify against him. >> john: i guess that much bail lessens the chance you'll be a flight risk, unless you think you will spend the rest of your life in jail does not matter. >> jacqui: fbi is responding to elon musk's latest twitter files dump after it exposed what appears to be the agency's influence campaign. fbi officials confirm the agency reimbursed twitter for what they

say was complying with standard legal requests to the tune of over $3.4 million. but critics say all this was used to help information, excuse me, rather, help suppress information around the hunter biden laptop story. charlie hurt, "washington times" opinion editor and fox news contributor. i want to get to the statements what it says its relationship is with the fbi. they say the correspondence show nothing more than traditional long standing ongoing federal government and private sector engagements, numerous companies over multiple sectors and industries and fbi provides critical information to the private sector in an effort to allow them to protect themselves and their customers. so, charlie, the fbi says they regularly contact social media companies, don't make requests overly, just notifying them of things that might constitute

violations of their service. but if that notice is coming from the fbi, isn't the request kind of implied? >> well, of course it is, jacqui, and that's the point. and from the other reporting out of twitter the fbi has been making rather extraordinary requests and broad requests across the entire platform of twitter to change things, to shade things, to silence people, to -- and even to further broadcast things they do want to be publicized on twitter. and so that response, i think, is so curious, i'm glad you read it in full. the response that the fbi actually gave to the accusation that they were using u.s. taxpayer dollars to pay twitter to say what they wanted twitter to say or allow to be said on twitter is, a, we have been doing this forever. twitter is not the only company we do this with. and oh, we were doing it through the legal department so that somehow -- i don't understand

how doing it through the legal department gets them off the hook for the fact that they were using u.s. taxpayer dollars to try to propaganda or suppress information on twitter. >> jacqui: the question i have is sure, you have to think that the fbi, if they see something that is worth mentioning, you know, you want to be a partner of the federal government and cooperate if you are twitter, to, you know, tackle something that might truly be a risk. but the payments there, i think, cause people to raise their eyebrows. $3.4 million since october of 2019, they say for reimbursement of reasonable costs and expenses associated with the legal process. that's a lot of cost and expenses, right? >> even by legal -- by lawyer standards, that's a lot of money. but you know this, jacqui, as a reporter, and i've been in this situation many times, john in the situation many times, you have an explosive story, you have some information that's explosive, and the government

often comes to you and says wait a minute, don't publish this, this is dangerous stuff, we need to talk about it and you sort of negotiate it. and usually, in case of, say, the pentagon papers, it gets published anyway over the strenuous objections of the government. but this notion, and you put your finger on it, the notion that they are going to have the ongoing weekly -- monthly then weekly meetings with a type of publishing operation to suppress things and amplify things and then on top of that, actually pay taxpayer money to that organization, it's absolutely shocking and i have to say, the way i've sort of -- and i realize twitter is a slightly different operation, but if we found out that the fbi was paying "the washinton post" or the "new york times" not to print things or to print things that they would not otherwise print and then paying them for

it on top of that, we would be absolutely out of our minds outraged by that. >> jacqui: i think a lot of people in congress are probably going to be asking for more than just statements and probably a clear explanation of what's going on. >> my concern is, you know, obviously we have covered this fully but where are all of our colleagues in the press. outrage should be, you know, run from the hill tops over this. >> jacqui: that's been the case with the hunter biden story from the beginning. fbi did not say one way or another whether they talked to anyone at twitter surrounding hunter biden. >> i suspect more will come out. >> jacqui: did not give a no, but did not give a yes. thank you for your time. appreciate you coming on, talk to you soon. john. >> john: another blow to the rights of women and girls in afghanistan despite the taliban initially promising to rule more moderately, they are now, this is a huge surprise, banning females from private and public

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$250 million bond posting will be a little more of an anchor around his ankles than if he were in the bahamas with no bail. >> jacqui: in the latest, harshest blow to females in afghanistan, the taliban is banning women and girls from all private and public universities, and this is a stark reversal from the promises made after the taliban regained control of afghanistan. a spokesperson four months ago. >> you are open to the idea of young women receiving the same education as young men. >> the policy of the islamic afghanistan is very clear when it comes to education. all citizens of afghanistan no matter the gender have a right to education. >> jacqui: trey yingst is live in jerusalem. >> the taliban announced women are no longer permitted to attend higher education.

the decision is set to go into effect immediately, and will go across the entirety of afghanistan. women staged protests in the capital of kabul demanding access to universities and colleges. demonstrations were quickly dispersed by taliban fighters. >> we do not want to be eliminated. shameful the international community, united nations and human rights choose to remain silent. >> since claiming control of afghanistan in 2021, the at all pan has rolled back rights for women, requiring hijabs in public and a male escort at night. the decision to ban women from education is drawing condemnation from countries like saudi arabia and turkey, the turkish foreign minister saying this. >> banning of female students from attending university is neither islamic or human, we reject such a ban. hopefully they will give up on this decision as soon as

possible. >> just four months ago we spoke with senior taliban officials in kabul and they said they would not ban women from attending higher education, they were lying. jacqui. >> jacqui: they were lying. all right. trey yingst, thanks so much. >> john: ukrainian president zelenskyy travelling to washington to seek more help in the fight against russia. and how much they have already sent to ukraine and how much more they need. >> jacqui: a greedy grinch stealing donations. how a tight knit community came together to save the holiday for those in need. gas, groceries, everything's costing more. if you're a veteran homeowner and need cash, call newday and use your powerful va home loan benefit. it lets you borrow up to 100% of your home's value, not just 80%.

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actress categories, calling them a sexist hollywood relic. you know, can i just say one thing, though? you take away, you know, best actress category, i think it just erases how much work women have done for like representation in media, you know. the pay gap still exists and all of these things. >> john: those actresses get paid way more than i do. >> jacqui: but way less than their male counterparts. you take away the work that women have done to earn that. >> john: it could be a good thing, means the oscars will be only half as long as before. >> jacqui: i guess that's true. maybe it's a ploy to get people to watch the award shows, they have been unwatchable a few years now. >> john: last time i watched the oscars was a long time ago. >> jacqui: when was the will smith slap? >> john: everybody saw that, i did not see it live, it was

replayed everywhere. ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy, fred is the vice chair of the center for american security at the american policy institute and former chief of staff at the national security council. before we get into how much we have been given to ukraine and whether or not republicans will change that when they take over, fred, let's talk about what zelenskyy is looking for now. he appreciates the fact that america stepped up to the plate, but other things he needs in order to win, including long range artillery racquets, attack 'ems rockets, gray eagle and other powerful drones, biden so far has said we are not doing that. should he give them to zelenskyy, what do you think? >> john, good to be here. i think that's a question that many house republicans are

asking for the approach to the biden administration is we will support the ukrainians for as long as it takes but the republicans are wondering how long that will be and whether providing more advance missile systems such as the patriot missile means more advanced missiles will go in there. are we going to support the war as long as it takes or are the weapons going to lead to escalation and i have to say i'm concerned providing the patriot, we heard a few months ago was too much escalation, zelenskyy to start a campaign possibly to take back crimea. i'm troubled about that. >> john: and what zelenskyy says in his address to congress. >> your support is crucial, not just to stand in such fight, but to get to the turning point to win on the battlefield.

we have artillery, yes. thank you. we have it. is it enough? honestly, not really. [laughter] to ensure it's not just a strong hold that holds back the russian army but for the russian army to completely pull out. >> john: several members there, you heard them chuckle, is it enough, not really, but he was being serious, it's not just enough to hold back the russian army but to push them out of the country. in terms of an end point, does he want to just get russia out of donetsk, luhansk, zaporizhzhia, kherson, or out of crimea, we don't know. but the question is, fred, if we don't give ukraine what zelenskyy says he needs to win, which would be the longest range weapons and maybe even tanks as well, are we not prolonging this by just letting it play out in

the way it is right now which may be ends in an ukrainian defeat. >> i don't think the ukrainian defeat is in the cards, and i would like to see ukraine take back more territory. >> john: they do. >> if you look -- well, if you look at the ten-point peace plan zelenskyy has put forward, it's very ambitious, it would be justice but not something the russians are going to agree to. the russians will never agree to a ceasefire. what we are looking at now is a war that could take years. we would be giving more and more sophisticated weapons to ukraine, they may win in the end but the cost would be awfully high. >> to the point you just made, do you really believe if a ceasefire were to be declared that putin would say ok, we are happy with what we have right now, go ahead, let's negotiate a ceasefire, we'll keep this, you

take that, or will putin take the ceasefire to rearm and reup his troops and make a march on kyiv. >> i think that's a real question and should not go into this assuming we can trust putin in any way. but i think we should be talking about a peace process the russians and the ukrainians join. we could start a process with neither of them present. we could talk with our allies, how to wrap the war down but if there was a ceasefire we could arm ukraine during that period, put weapons in there so russia could not invade again. i agree it's a risk, but i think the trajectory is an endless conflict escalation and we are assuming we'll never approach a red line where putin will decide to use nuclear weapons. i don't think biden administration has answers to the points. >> john: i'm not sure they do either. fred, always great to get your take on things. thanks for joining us. hope you have a merry christmas. >> jacqui: the surge of migrants

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