♪ ♪ >> cheryl: hello, everyone. this is "outnumbered." i'm cheryl casone. joining me today, dr. janette nesheiwat, katrina campins, michele tafoya, and dr. marc siegel. great to see all of you. well, more than two dozen people have been killed in buffalo, new york, as the city struggles to recover from its deadliest storm in decades. stranded drivers froze to death in their cars. others died after getting trapped inside their homes. much of the area covered in ice

and snow. search and rescue efforts are still underway, and new york's governor has declared a state of emergency. the severe winter weather impacting multiple states, leaving more than 50 americans data across this country. and in buffalo there is chaos in the streets. thieves are breaking into abandoned stores and hollowing out big ticket items like televisions. buffalo mayor byron brown, outraged. >> people who are out looting when people are losing their lives in this harsh winter storm, it's just absolutely reprehensible. i don't know how these people can even live with themselves, how they can look at themselves in the mirror. they are the lowest of the low. for some of the pictures that we have seen in social media of these looters, they are not looting foods and medicines. they are just looting items that

they want. so these aren't even people in distress. these are people that are taking advantage of a natural disaster and the suffering of many in our community to take what they want. >> cheryl: max gorden with fox weather is live in buffalo with the latest on the ground. max? >> good afternoon. well, people who are calling this the worst storm in a generation, and there's been a lot of snow to fall here. more than 4 feet. maybe even worse than the cumulative snowfall has just been the length of this storm. this storm started up on friday morning, and it has been going on ever since then. really only letting up last night and into this morning, and even a few inches fell today. it's just been brutal on the people here. many are still without power. thousands of people. utility workers are out in force, though, trying to get the power back on, and the light and heat back on for so many who have been in the dark for the

past few days. as you mentioned, the death toll continues to climb. we got an update from officials, 35 now in erie county confirmed dead. we are hearing all sorts of stories, people found in snowbanks, people found dead in cars, and some people first responders couldn't even reach because the roads were just so bad. officials are working very hard to clear the roads. there are still travel ban's in place in some areas, but in other areas, all those bans have been lifting and people have been able to get out on the roads. this has caused mayhem for travel. buffalo niagara international airport is still close at this hour. it is expected to reopen at 11:00 a.m. tomorrow, but thousands of sites across the country have been impacted. a little bit of good news, though, here in buffalo, supermarkets are expected to reopen later today. the first fresh food a lot of people will have gotten in a few days.

back to you. >> cheryl: unbelievable. max gorden lives for us in buffalo, new york. thank you very much. dr. siegel, you went to school in buffalo, and i'm glad the food markets are going to be opening up. we have heard reports of shelters running out of food, nursing homes running out of food. again, people have been found in their cars. >> dr. siegel: i went to medical school in buffalo in the late '80s and every year we had a storm, then another storm, then another storm, and we learn how to drive by sliding around turns, believe it or not. seven hospitals in the city up there, it's a tough second city. but this is way better than anything i experienced when i was a medical student. '77 was the only thing anything like this, and in '77, again, 30 people died, same idea as here. same amount. i think the big thing missing here is this: we have a statewide emergency, we have the national guard, but you know what we don't have? we don't have the feds, we don't have hhs in their command center who figures out who has a

ventilator at home, who has a battery operated -- because we can use medicare information to figure out who to send supplies and relief to. with the power off, that the huge medical problem. >> cheryl: dr. nesheiwat, weigh in here. i know you're nodding her head, but sadly they are expecting to find more victims today because so many people are either still trapped in their homes that they haven't been able to get to, or they haven't been able to get to those cars. 6 feet of snow. 6 feet. >> dr. nesheiwat: it's heartbreaking. i agree with dr. siegel. people who need medication that has to be refrigerated, antibiotics, oxygen, that sort of thing, this can be life and death for some people. it is disheartening. when you have a crisis that hits, when you have a national disaster that strikes, you need help, you need fema. we need our president, support, our government to show that they care. we have at least 60 people who have died, and they are literally freezing to death. we probably expect to see

pneumonia and hypothermia, frostbite, and dehydration. but we need resources out there. just like we saw, for example, desantis out there working, assessing the situation after hurricane ian, we need to see that from our government, as well, out there assessing and providing support and care. that's what i would do as a medical director. if i saw my team needed help, i'd be out there, feet on the ground, helping and providing the support they need. >> cheryl: you know, michele, that's the question here. this has been a deadly weekend. people are freezing over christmas eve. and yet, president biden is going to st. croix today. this is when you need your president. this is when you need him to come address the nation and take that presidential role and maybe put your arms around the country and go, "we are here for you, we're going to help you." to janette's point, where are they? he's leaving this afternoon. >> michele: this is a trip that should really be postponed. the optics of this are horrible. not only is it a vacation, but

it is somewhere warm and beautiful while others are freezing, literally, to death. so this is really inadvisable. if i am his team, i'm saying you're not going. sorry, you're staying home and we are comforting the people of buffalo. >> cheryl: not only the reaction we need, but was the preparation spot on? where they ready? as mother nature, there's only so much you can control, but there are some thi there was just no preparation for this. that it's all been reaction and response. it's devastating, it's heartbreaking. but, mr. president, cancel your trip. it's not too late. it's not just katrina and what's happening with the storm, but it's also the looting we have seen. thieves have been ransacking the city. these are victims of the storm they have also -- now they can't defend themselves, and the police can't get out to help them. emergency vehicles are in search

and rescue mode and the city. but you've also got the crisis at the southern border. there are so many things going on in the country right now. i think, to michele's point, it would maybe be a good decision to stay. this is a disaster. this is the worst storm we have seen in 50 years in buffalo. >> molly: these people are literally sitting there and waiting for the death. human element of that is just heartbreaking. and to think that people are taking advantage of the storm and the weather, it is similar to what happens during hurricanes, as people go in and start looting and taking advantage of it. this is a time where we should all come together, the american people should come together, and the president should be there to lead us. >> cheryl: and this is why ron desantis, to your point, in florida, has gotten so much support in recent months, because he was there, especially after hurricane ian. they were ready. people got power back, they got their home back.

>> dr. siegel: they said tongue-in-cheek that he should return to his bunker. steel and st. croix, nantucket, he's got a new fence at his taylor home. his 40th vacation of the year. we have got a lot more coming up. the media has been quiet as thousands of migrants sleep on frigid el paso streets rating the mag waiting for title 42 to end. when the buses arrived by vice president kamala harris' home on christmas eve, the outcry from the left was fiercea we'll discuss that after a quick break. stay with us. to pay down high rate credit cards, personal loans, even car loans. veterans get more at newday.

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>> ch>> the double standard cles day, the liberal media up in arms over the border crisis, but only after texas governor greg abbott again dropped busloads of illegal immigrants outside the

vice president's home. this time it was on christmas eve. interesting that those same outlets didn't seem to care much about the thousands of migrants who slept on the frigid streets of el paso into christmas morning. the situation they are continuing to get worse, and with the supreme court set to decide the fate of title 42, maybe in the next 24 hours, overrun el paso is preparing for the worst. border patrol they are set up a massive tent city just outside downtown ahead of the expected surge. "the new york post" covered it this morning, calling it a "welcome mat for illegal immigration." katrina, i think it's interesting that the left-wing liberal media is deciding what is a story and what isn't. migrants freezing in el paso, not a story. migrants freezing in d.c., that's a story. by the way, they were picked up almost immediately by social workers and taken to a church. >> katrina: it's the hypocrisy of all of it. it doesn't hit them until it hits them at home, pun intended.

and remember when desantis did this, he shipped them and all of the sudden the media pays attention. it is so sad, because this has been an issue but there is no solution yet. the media only covers it when they are actually shipped to the president or vice president's homes. >> cheryl: michele, this lack of focus is interesting because it's also so slanted. 8500 migrants, i think, have come to new york city, right? how about 200,000 into texas? the numbers don't add up. it's horrible. mayor eric adams here in new york, "migrants are arriving!" >> michele: no one is paying attention to the southern border. and it is, the hypocrisy is ridiculous. i remember when they took them to martha's vineyard. that was governor desantis. and the internet went wild, and there was twitter and facebook, and how cool, how awful! yes, so cruel to go to martha's vineyard. >> cheryl: [laughs] >> michele: but you're right, aoc, when trump was in office,

was down there crying about the conditions of the people in these shelters at the border. now the border shelters are being overrun, babies are dying en route to the united states, women are being raped, stuff is going on at record numbers. where is aoc, and where is the price at the border? instead they wait until it hit somewhere that maybe is more meaningful to people? i don't know why that's right. >> cheryl: either way, janette, it's a human tragedy. whether it's happening in washington or new york or chicago or texas. that's the real tragedy, to michele's point. >> dr. nesheiwat: absolutely. to michele's point, what is cruel and awful is incentivizing and encouraging illegal immigration. when you think about it, it's a very dangerous trek. even when they enter the united states. i have patience here in times square who would come into the port authority, and i had a patient come in, he was stabbed in the stomach.

i said to him, why didn't you seek medical attention, go to the hospital? he told me through a translator that he was afraid of being deported. so when they come through the border, like you said, women and children, raped. there is sex trafficking. and then the drugs, cocaine, heroin, methamphetamine coming in, causing overdoses. >> dr. siegel: fentanyl. >> dr. nesheiwat: absolutely, fentanyl is a huge one. this past quarter, 577,000 border encounters. how many of them could have been terrorists entering? only 200,000 of them were deported because of title 42. but 400,000 of them were released into the united states. that is scary. steel and what is interesting, dr. siegel, as well, if you look at the biden administration handling of this, it's been a lot of gaslighting from the administration. let's be clear here. now with what has happened at harris' home over the weekend, it's a story. but the biden administration is not going to let them release those numbers. that is what we have been

reporting and showing to our viewers here at fox. here are the real numbers in the real story, whether everybody else want to ignore it or not. now the administration wants to stop those. >> dr. siegel: very scary. that's a gag rule and that's going to prevent different stations from sharing information, detention centers. that can impact public health. dr. nesheiwat is absolutely right, that the trauma of people coming across, injuries are the number one reason the hospitals on the border are being flooded. if title 42 is pulled back, which, by the way, simply gives the cdc director the right to stop entry into the united states for public health reasons in the middle of what the biden administration is still calling a public health emergency because of covid. there is an inconsistency here. it's going to double the number of people coming across the border. it'll be 13,000 a day. my sources tell me down in el paso, physicians at the hospital, guess what? they are not ready in a million years for the number of patients they are going to have from

contagions, from infectious diseases, from trauma, from dehydration, from contaminated water. all of this is an enormous mess. not to mention -- dr. robert redfield told me this, the former cdc director -- the concern for the customs and border protection agents themselves. >> cheryl: to your point, michele, we have seen high rates of suicide, alcoholism. there is a mental health crisis going on with those border agents down in texas. let's go back here. president biden, he went to arizona recently, but couldn't be bothered to hop in his helicopter for a wet, a 45 minute flight down to the border? i don't have time, no creases of the border. >> michele: they are so afraid of the optics of him standing there looking at this damage. that's what they're afraid of. for him to say they're more important things to do? imagine this, the hypocrisy of putting a gag order on the numbers for the cdc. imagine four years ago if the

trump white house had put the kibosh on releasing numbers of deaths or infected of covid. imagine the uproar they would be. but there doesn't seem to be an uproar here about, let's not tell people how many people are crossing the border. >> cheryl: janette, something you said, i'm worried about this massive tent city they are building in el paso, and i'm thinking about the safety of these migrants. that is concerning. it's a good point. >> dr. nesheiwat: what they are doing is preparing for more immigrants instead of coming up with solutions to stop them from coming across the border. i think -- and maybe dr. siegel would agree with me -- keep title 42 in place, but expanded to include hiv, tuberculosis, hepatitis, in addition to title 8. otherwise we are just putting a band-aid on a very hemorrhagic solution that is really not going to work in the long run. >> dr. siegel: completely agree. by the way, if you try to come here legally, they screen you for everything. >> cheryl: that's what i don't get, katrina paid you and i travel a lot for our shows on

fox business. if i travel in and out of the country, and the passport and all that, but if i want to come over the southern border, walk on a cross. [laughs] >> katrina: you and i travel a lot for our shows on fox business. and so forth. it is crazy, the rejections we have paid we have to be tested for this, you have to have this vaccine, you have to have this, and yet people are coming over the border. i know so many people personally risking their lives because they want to give their children a better future here in the united states. what i understand. my parents came here at a very young age, they were seven years old, from cuba, but they did at the right way. i'm all about the american dream, but about following the rules. >> cheryl: well, george w. bush had a plan for immigration. he just never got it over the goal line, unfortunately. the former texas governor, then president, says we need to have a path for citizenship. the right path, the safe path. and here we are today still dealing with this crisis. we've got a lot more coming up.

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>> cheryl: assistant health and human services secretary rachel levine is getting serious backlash for comments made this past may. the recently resurfaced video shows levine, a transgender woman, demanding big tech companies sensor misinformation about gender affirming procedures for children. watch. >> there is substantial miss information about gender affirming care for transgender and gender-diverse individuals. the positive value of gender affirming care for youth and adults is not in scientific or medical dispute. we need to use our clinicians voice to collectively advocate for our tech companies to create a healthier, cleaner information environment to be on those comments now getting blasted on twitter.

one person tweeting, "when fascism comes to america, it will be under the guises of health and safety." and they sang, "you're not allowed to criticize rachel levine or other social media platforms. you will be banned." and protect, with the government labels misinformation, you can generally just call information. dr. siegel, in that video, secretary levine says the positive value of gender affirming care in youth and adults is not in scientific or medical dispute. how can you say that when science and medicine are constantly evolving and changing, constantly being debated and improved? >> dr. siegel: i also want to hear what dr. nesheiwat has to say about this, but i just did a report, two reports, actually, for our investigative unit. we look into this issue. gender dysphoria israel come up but the question is what you do about it and when. and that's absolutely in dispute, because if you take a 12-year-old or 13-year-old and

you are doing puberty blockers, we don't know the long-term effects of that. we don't know that it affects the bones. there's an issue with fertility. and then we covered the question of people who decide who is doing that, at what ages are being done, and how certain is the person receiving that care that they want that? and if they decide later they don't, it's not easy. very, very difficult. so all of that -- and the idea of coming here we go again with misinformation, we just dealt with that with twitter already. >> michele: to say something is not in dispute, scientifically or medically, i want to get your take on that. >> dr. nesheiwat: i completely agree with dr. siegel. she is not the guide, god of science. they call medicine a practice because it is constantly evolving. we need to change our guidelines and protocols as we progress and learn more information. but gender dysphoria is a very serious and sensitive issue, a very serious topic, because it has a very high suicide rate and

high suicide ideation rate, up to 42% of those who struggle with their identity think about suicide because of the stress that it has on them. and even their families. so i don't think it is right for rachel levine to impose her personal views on all of us. instead, we know that some people will benefit from transitioning and gender affirming care, but we want to do it the right way. that starts off with taking a history and a physical, maybe doing blood work, getting counseling and therapy, not rushing to hormones and irreversible surgeries that might have long-term consequences. >> dr. siegel: mental health care is really important. >> michele: absolutely. cheryl, when she said we need our tech companies to create a healthier and cleaner information environments, whose information? >> cheryl: she wants her information. we just got twitter files over the weekend and the biden administration was shown that they wanted their narrative on twitter. and i'm sure they are reaching

out to facebook and to instagram, as well. so it's their message. remember, social media, we have already learned that instagram has been detrimental to the mental health of teenage girls. "the wall street journal" exposed instagram for that. so it's not just twitter, it's all over. to say they need to have the message their way, no, you don't. really quick, let me say something. when i was 12 years old, for a whole year i wore black and i listened to heavy metal music and my hair was crazy and i looked ridiculous, and i were the stupid she was. and i grew out of it, okay? i was 12. what happens to a 12-year-old who gets onto twitter instagram and says, "oh, i can do all the surgeries and be a different person? great!" and a year later, they change. >> i'm just trying to picture cheryl with the black hair and clothes. katrina, you have a 5-year-old. >> katrina: i do. >> michele: they are very impressionable. it's twitter, it's tiktok come everywhere. i understand you had a recent

experience with this whole gender questioning. >> katrina: i did. on christmas day. i have a very special heart for children, obviously, as a mother, but i have a difficult time digesting the fact that the media is now telling our children what to think and when to think it. at five years old, he was watching a cartoon and he paused the cartoon and said to me, "mom --" he asked me a question about boys under ten who could have babies, and just that whole process. and if someone is born a girl. i was literally speechless, sitting there thinking to myself, at five years old i wasn't asking these questions. i was outside playing hide and go seek, playing sports. the fact that the media is now controlling when we have these discussions with kids, and they are deep questions. they are serious questions. i shouldn't be having those with a 5-year-old. >> michele: 5-year-old shouldn't be getting this from a cartoon. where these messages come from

is a little concerning. >> dr. nesheiwat: absolutely. it's important to note that two-thirds of those who struggle with didn't tell my gender identity, after puberty, they are happy with the way god made them. more than two-thirds. approximately two-thirds. >> michele: dr. siegel, you mentioned, when should these things be approached with the individuals who are experiencing gender dysphoria? there's got to be an age that is too young, right? >> dr. siegel: for sure puberty is too young to talk about transition. that is where all the debating is going on. the mental health issues are really important, because 70% or more of those who have gender dysphoria have major mental health issues going on simultaneously. we can't sleep that under the rug. what is the downside of counseling? what is the downside of seeing a therapist and working through what you are feeling? >> michele: their judgment is upside to that. i will dodge for that. coming up, a celebrity-backed bill organization helped a

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actually shut down a chapter. >> dr. nesheiwat: it makes them think twice. when you are a celebrity bailing out criminals, you are condoning criminal activity. even if you are not a celebrity. take a look at this guy's rap sheet. he pleaded guilty to attempted grand larceny, felony burglary, convicted of auto theft, arrested for pandering and carrying a concealed weapon. he was let out on $3,000 bail, and he shot this waiter 11 times. he could have killed him. that is why we see such a high rate of recidivism, because there is no accountability, no repercussions, just a vicious cycle. they go to jail, they don't get the help they need, whether it is from drug addiction or mental illness, and we see it over and over. we need to reform our bail programs, we need d.a.s who are not soft on crime, and we need more help for those who have these underlying mental conditions that are going to jail and released, in and out come in and out. >> michele: katrina, we talk about bail reform and there are the words out there, "mass

incarceration." we all want justice and fairness for everybody. but i think if you shoplift a pack of gum, you probably shouldn't get thrown in jail. but there are other crimes where bail is really appropriate. this guy, as you said, had a list of them. >> katrina: absolutely. i'm all about people getting second chances, but crime is a major issue i think we need to differentiate, as you mentioned, the crime that was committed. also it has become very cool to support criminal reform with celebrities. let's remove the celebrity aspect out of it. i think crime in this country is really a big issue, and as a mother, again, it is something we think about all the time, whether it's in the school system or just playing outside. simple things, the simple joys of life are now something that you have to be careful of as a parent. >> michele: dr. siegel, mental health was raised. we do now, especially here in new york city, we have seen a

lot of these criminals have serious mental health issues. there is no easy answer to this, but where would you start? >> dr. siegel: with exactly that. there is so much worry about marginalizing or cl stereotypifg someone with a clear need for mental health care. the due-gooderrism on the part of the celebrities who want to feel better about themselves, but look at the victim here. oh, my god, 11 bullets, he can't move his shoulder, they barely missed a major artery. god was on his side. i have never heard of someone outside of a terminator movie being hit with that many and surviving. >> michele: maybe he's got a future in hollywood as a stuntman or something tres [laughter] cheryl, here in new york city, you know as well as anybody, the crime rate is up. no matter what anyone says, we

know a lot of it is recidivism. you mentioned while you're on the break, broken glass worked, and we are so far from that now. >> cheryl: broken windows. i will tell you one thing, one of my colleagues he was assaulted on the subway this morning at 5:00 a.m. i'm not going to say who it was, but i was just told that, and coming to work, 5:00 a.m. on tuesday, 5:00 in the morning. let me tell you something, the city is still reeling from what happened during the lock downs, but it's mental health and its drug addiction and those are going hand-in-hand in about 70% of the cases we are seeing, especially new york city. back to the bail project, they didn't do their due diligence. celebrities and other backers, these wealthy people, they have an idea in the head of what they think justice reform is and what cashless bail should and should not be, so they go out handing out money. meanwhile they let this career criminal, who is a pretty bad guy, out, and he shot someone 11

times. that's happening all across the country and it's really happening in new york and chicago and los angeles and san francisco. >> michele: and minneapolis. in the wake of the george floyd riots, even kamala harris, then running for vice president, was donating to these funds to release some of these people back onto the streets. these were looters, people committing crimes. these are not just peaceful protesters. these were looters, people breaking windows, stealing things, setting fire to things. that is -- >> dr. nesheiwat: arrest them, prosecute them, put them in jail, and hold them accountable. >> michele: if you're going to commit a crime, there is a consequence. stealing new get what you vote for, he to say it. >> dr. siegel: in new york and san francisco and l.a., major cities are a mess because businesses shut down, restaurants didn't reopen, garbage everywhere, rats on the streets, and crime.

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>> cheryl: american workers have raised their wage expectations, especially younger people. a new survey finding the average person will taken a job for less than $74,000 a year. that is up nearly $800 from the last time the new york federal reserve bank did it survey. that was back in july. this is especially pronounced in job hunters under age 45. it's also the highest salary demand since the bank began the survey nearly ten years ago. okay, katrina. they are dealing with inflation and they want to buy property and they need more money. not sure they're going to get it, but they want more money. >> katrina: inflation is affecting everybody, but i think the younger generation is trying to achieve the american dream like many of us did. they want to purchase the homes, the cost of home ownership has gone up. they want to spend more money on gas and food and so forth. they are demanding a higher

salary. i get that aspect of it. on the same token i think there is a sense of entitlement where they feel they deserve more. i was raised to work hard. you have to earn things. i think there is something beautiful about that and being able to achieve the american dream. so i see both sides. >> cheryl: let's look at the numbers here, michele. the average salary they want is a little over $73,000. right now the two average is $60,000. they are asked to make asking for $13,000 more a year than they are going to get on average. >> michele: a little disparity there. the center for unleashing prosperity did a study called "paying americans not to work" and came to the conclusion that a family of four can receive over $100,000 annualized equivalent in cash and benefits in three states and over $80,000 in 14 states. in other words, they are sorted being incentivized not to work. so when we have come out of this time where we are certain people are getting $600 a week during

the pandemic to not work, now they are saying, i think, "well, shoot, i was getting $600 to stay home every week. you got to pay me at least this." it is not only entitlement to money, but also to just sort of not having to work real hard. i told a story click on the break, i was at the shipping place recently. i won't name the name. i was trying to drop off a package, and there were two people in the back room not working. the guy in the front, i said to him, "is there any way someone back there can help with this package?" and he said, "one of them has been working so hard lately, i was tried to get him on the break." but he's on the clock come he's working! i just want to drop off my package! steel and you know who works really hard, doctors. and i've got two of those on this couch. i know for sure, janette, and marc, as well, y'all didn't sign up for medical school because he wanted a certain salary. and medical school is really expensive. >> dr. nesheiwat: i get it, i understand cost of living has

gone up, inflation, that sort of thing. being a productive member of society, and 1 of 5 children and my family raised by my widowed mom and i worked my butt off to go to school and make a living and get a salary. they call this reservation wage come about $13,000 discrepancy. but if you want something, make a path, make a plan, and go get it. >> michele: so many people who really do find success in life, dr. siegel, they don't do it for the money, they do it because of the joy and love they have for the profession. >> dr. siegel: and that's what medicine is all about. we do it because we love it. i think michelle got this right, this is a nanny state. this is the entitlement generation. this is millennials he figured out they don't have to work. by the way, add to that that we have changed it so now you can work from home. so we don't even know if you're actually working or not. and this is all occurring at a time when goldman sachs is letting go 8% of their employees, amazon, 10,000 employees are being let go.

twitter, 50% of their employees. the job market is actually drying up, and here are the millennial saying, "well, i'll take it from the government." >> cheryl: and i want hot chocolate every morning when i come to work, and i want treats. >> katrina: i remember telling someone from the younger generation recently, to your point, they were upset that they were making $75,000 right out of college. i'm like, i made $5 an hour at stocking books to try to pay for my education, and trying to convince my friends' parents to do rentals to pay for school. i think there is something to be said about working hard. >> cheryl: find a way, work hard. we are still -- i'm going to put my business hat on, we are still in a tight labor market, but i think that's going to shift into a 23. i'm trying out to be a grinch today. it's early in the week and i don't want people to hate me, that i'm just going to say. right now you got two jobseekers for every job available, but that's today. that's going to shift in 2023. >> michele: does not translate to one job for every one person

connects everybody should be able to find a job. >> dr. nesheiwat: 3.7% on employment. >> cheryl: the rate is still really low pay but he brought of the layoffs. >> michele: and a lot of people left the workforce, part of that low in employment number. >> cheryl: we are going to take a break and come back with happy news. happy sundays on "outnumbered" on "outnumbered." we'll be right back. music and ♪ ♪

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some toys from their union's holiday toy drive and well, just watch. >> merry christmas. >> oh, my goodness! say thank you! oh, my goodness, yeah! >> dr. seigel, the thieves also took food out of their fridge. so the police came in and police brought all of it to them. >> let's talk about not defunding the police, jeanette and i take care of a lot of cops, i've consulted for the police, their lives are on the line, tremendous stress, health issues, here in new york and around the country. >> we needed a good christmas story, that one almost made me cry. this woman is telling her children to say thank you to these police officers and so on that kind of community outreach level, scored some big points.

>> i love the fact she's presenting the police officers in a positive light, good idea of what a police officer is. >> a lot of love on social media, twitter and facebook, the story has gone viral and thank you police officers, for once we are saying thank you versus the other things that get thrown at them, which is unfair. >> and they deserve it. beautiful to see, they do so much for us, sacrifice the lives for us. god bless them, back the blue. >> it should go viral. >> i think it did. we started talking about the storm and a lot of people have had a bad christmas and rough christmas. it's good to remember there's a lot of good people out there that are giving, and want to help each other out. we are a good country. >> that's why any time you feel bad about something and you are worried about the bad stuff going on, just do something good. do something good. you never know how far that ripple effect will go. >> something little, smile at people, say hello.

>> we need more kindness. >> we do. >> as dopey as that sounds, it's true, true. >> i have to say i love the little girl, they got dolls -- whoever that crook is, i hope he goes to a real special place. that's all i'm gonna say. >> he's the grinch, the grinch. >> great to spend this day and hour with you. do not forget to dvr the show, and here is "america reports." >> and begin with the fox news alert, twitter documents more bombshells how the federal government attempted to censor speech, especially during the pandemic. how the trump and biden administrations were upset by accounts and tweets that questioned their covid messaging. >> are social media companies crossing the line by communicating and coordinating