tough times. didn't expect that, didn't see it coming. she was impactful on a lot of people's lives throughout my lifetime. i wish her and her family all the best. thanks to sean hannity for allowing me to sit in for him tonight. he'll be back next week. i hope everyone has a wonderful and happy new year. stay tuned. nancy grace with more on what's going on in idaho. >> nancy grace: in the last hours, fox news alert. our friend from abc, barbara walters, dead, at 93. we'll give you the latest as we hear it but for now, this tv icon with us no more. and another fox news alert. there you the see him, everybody. 3 a.m. this morning, a swat team swoops down on a pennsylvania home to arrest the prime suspect in the murders of four beautiful

idaho university students. brian christopher kohlberger, age 28, ph.d. student at washington state university, studying criminal justice of all things, hiding out, where else, at mommy's house. i'm nancy grace. i'm in for laura ingraham tonight. this is a special edition of "the ingraham angle." after 47 long days of suffering from the four victims' families, finally an arrest. standing by, right now, in pennsylvania, outside the c.i. correctional institute where kohlberger is being housed tonight. laura, what can you tell us? laura: hi, nancy. we're outside the monroe county correctional facility and this is where he's going to be calling home for the next few days at least. and you mentioned that he was arrested where we believe to be at his parents house.

just a few short miles from where i'm standing now but tonight, he sits here behind me inside this jail that holds about 400 inmates. some of them are maximum security inmates. others minimum security. of course, we believe he's over on the max side but let's take a look at that mug shot once again that we've been showing you all day. the 28-year-old was taken into custody before the sun came up by the penn state police at that home on the southeast side of scranton, pennsylvania, arrested on what they called a fugitive from justice warrant, and despite having an apartment in the state of washington near the crime scene, his registered address is right here in pennsylvania, and when it comes to a possible motive, we're all waiting to hear what that is. here's what investigators in idaho had to say about that today. >> as part of the investigation, that will come out as we continue the investigation, but what we still ask is for people to continually send us things on the tip line. we're still looking for more information and still trying to build that picture just like we've stated all along.

we're putting all the pieces together and that will help. >> brian kohlberger faces four counts of murder in the deaths of four students. also charged with felony burglary for entering home with an intent to commit murder. now, we've been talking about that white elantra. we know law enforcement recovered a white elantra right here in monroe county today which was the subject of that nationwide search. the car will most likely hold critical clues if it is the same one that was seen driving near the crime seen after the time of the quadruple murders. a pennsylvania neighbor near where the arrest took place was clearly shaken today by the news that the suspect in these grisly crimes was captured here. >> it was surprising. i did not expect something like this could happen in such a quiet neighborhood. i specifically moved from new york to the quiet area and i didn't expect things like this to happen, to be safe for my

future family that i'm planning to v. it's kind of crazy. >> today investigators were just 15 minutes away from the idaho crime scene raiding the suspect's home in pullman, washington, where he was a graduate student pursuing a ph.d. in criminal justice at washington state. we've been talking about that. kohlberger is currently being held without bond and he's expected to have a marrying on tuesday. we've been talking about that extradition process. we'll see what happens. he could waive that process but again he'll be back in court on tuesday. as we learn more through these hours and days. nancy? >> nancy grace: laura ingle joining us right outside the c.i. correctional institute where kohlberger is being held. i've got a couple of questions for you, laura. and again, thank you for braving the elements to be with us. number one, you said the car was found there in monroe. >> it's the white elantra. we've all been looking for. where in monroe was the car

found? let me guess. parked outside mommy's house? >> that's a great question, because nobody knew this was happening at 3:00 a.m., right? there was not a camera there, and when he was arrested he was in a private community so it's kind of a gated community off a two-lane road. no one saw where the car came from. it could be anywhere in the county and they said it was "a" white elantra. they didn't say "the" white elantra. nevertheless, they found it in the county, apparently the same day they made the arrest. we're waiting to find out if this is, in fact, one they were looking for, where they took it and when they will start processing it. and of course, what they will find inside. >> nancy grace: laura, stay with us. also joining us there in moscow, dan springer, fox news correspondent. dan, i understand that right now, as we speak, cops are

tearing apart kohlberger's pullman apartment. don't you know this guy? he's so fastidious. you know he had to leave a trail in that apartment? >> the police in pullman today, the campus police in pullman, washington, said that he finished off his degree, or his semester at washington state university, which is about eight miles away from us near moscow, so that means that after the murders, if he's the guilty party, he went back to that apartment and stayed there and finished school for at least a few more weeks before that term was up. but the announcement of the arrest was made behind me at city hall here in moscow, idaho, six hours ago, and as you can imagine, there was relief throughout this entire city. they have never seen anything

like a quadruple murder in moscow before. this is an especially important day for the families of those four victims butchered, as they slept nearly seven weeks ago and now those families are finally getting closer to getting justice. the murders of the four students shocked the small college town of 25,000 people. it touched off a massive investigation. video quickly surfaced from a food truck the night of the murders that showed kailee and maddie a couple of hours before they were killed. police had thousands of tips but apparently few good leads. dozens of local, state and federal cops have been working the case right through the holidays. but in recent days they must have locked in on a suspect. i'm told by a source it's very difficult to get a justice to sign a no knock first-degree murder warrant to be executed out of state. you have to have a lot of

compelling evidence and no one is happier about the arrest than the parents of the victims. we spoke with kailee's dad by ph phone. >> a biohazard team was cleaning up today at the house where the murders took place. they were to begin that cleanup, return the house back to the owner, but that work was stopped after news of the arrest, and, nancy, this is also a very important day, obviously, for the university of idaho. this is a school that was rocked by this quadruple homicide, of those four students. for them to get beyond this, this arrest had to happen, and now they can try to get back to some semblance of normal at this college town and get those kids back on campus and feeling safe again. nancy? >> nancy grace: dan, thank you for being with us and don't move.

first, i want to bring in the panel. we've got an all-star panel joining us to make sense of everything we know but first i'll go straight out to a former f.b.i. assistant director, 24 years with the f.b.i., special agent. now, attorney at law, 24 years in the f.b.i., okay, you've been around the block. no offense, but i've got to talk to you about a couple of things. really? this is the guy, he's getting his ph.d. in criminal justice, and where does he go? home to mommy's. how many times have i had a sheriff pull a defendant out from underneath the bed at mommy's house. so if he's hiding out at mommy's house, chris, you know the car is probably parked right in front of the driveway. >> yes, i think it was, actually. i think this shows a little bit of an arrested development, if you will. this guy remind me so much of ted bundy, and people have made

that comparison throughout this whole investigation, but a guy who can act normal, be a mph.d. candidate, bundy eventually passed the bar, and walked amongst us, and turn into a homicidal maniac and do the horrible things that he did. he's the type of guy, i think that has that profile of maybe a misfit. maybe on the margins of society. not accepted. and maybe he was, you know, came in contact with one of these four victims, and just got rejected or, you know, had a bad experience with them. >> nancy grace: i want to talk about the dichotomy of what you just said. it's like two-faced. you've got a guy who is meticulously achieving his ph.d. in criminal studies. i managed to get my mitts on a

questionnaire he was sending to violent criminals asking them to detail for him their emotions and their thoughts and their decision-making during the crime. i'm talking about murder. rape. mutilation. he was obsessed with this. to the point that he immersed himself into it and became a killer himself. i believe that's going to be the theory. so he's not a maniac out of control. but yet he is. have you seen this? during your years at the f.b.i.? >> absolutely. you have these -- people, again, they can appear normal at times. and then they can fly into these rages, and kill, just for the sake and the thrill of killing. and it raises the question, nancy, of, is this the first time? that's one of the reasons the moscow police chief was casting about looking for more information about this person.

i think they have enough to make an arrest, enough probable cause but they are still building their case and they are still trying to figure out motive and everything there is to know about this person going back to his childhood. my concern is, and -- >> nancy grace: we've learned a lot about this guy and his childhood. a former f.b.i. special agent, former navy seal, joining us, the art and awareness of attack. thank you for being with us. everybody on the panel, jump in, all right? if you have an idea or a thought or a lead, tell me. don't wait for me to call on you like a school teacher. jonathan gilliam, this is what we know, this guy was very socially awkward. get this, he was so fastidious, he's described as being an overzealous vegan. to the point that he made his parents throw out their pots and pans, that had ever touched

meat. the high heat bake cycle wasn't enough for him. they had to throw out their pots and pans, and by nuance, for him to cook his vegan meals in. die care about his pots and pans? no, but that tells me he has an acute attention for detail. he went into this house, i'm telling you, jonathan, with the intent to kill, just like the burglary charge says. he didn't go in to rape. he didn't go in to steal. he went in to kill. he had this thing planned out. >> right. i also think what you just pointed out actually points out how much of a manipulator this individual is and how focused he was on whatever desire he has. this is a heightened desire when you're that concerned with the pots and pans that your parents are using to cook your food that you're going to make them throw those out. that shows me there is a pattern of behavior here and i wouldn't doubt, as information starts to come out and people start to

realize who he is, just like ted bundy, you're going to see a history of violent and odd behavior, deviant behavior, to the point where, i'm -- i'm still not convinced that this is the first time this individual has killed. and i would think based on looking at the profile of this guy, and this investigation or this thing that he was doing with these prisoners or these criminals, it was as if he was living vicariously through them. so that may have been a trigger for him to take fantasy into reality. but i still believe this is most likely not the first time he killed. >> nancy grace: what you just said, i'm going to pick up on that jonathan, gilliam and go to brian, former homicide detective. brian, i've dealt with so many killers, i can't even count them. literally hundreds and hundreds over 10 years, prosecuting in

inner-city atlanta. i wanted to know the facts. i didn't have to prove the motive but i would like to present it to the jury. this guy is asking violence criminals, killers, rapists, child molesters, what were you thinking when you pulled the trigger? what were you thinking when you stuck the knife in? he's right. gilliam is right. he was getting involved, enmeshed, obsessed with the details of crime. >> psych majors always seem to scare me. what really got me was the lack of emotion, to be able to kill four people in an apartment and move around so quietly at night, that, you know, knife home depots in general are usually very emotional, loud and violent but this did not wake up people downstairs, did not wake others up in the process of it. that shows me a lack of emotion

on his part. what i also want to know, without getting too gory, number of stab wounds per victim. typically when you're targeting one person that person will have a lot more stab wounds than the ones who are not targeted. i don't think we'll see that. i think it was lack of emotion. a severe psychological disorder. >> nancy grace: you just brought up something really smart. were these girls targeted? of course, there is a possibility that the boy, the young man, was targeted but it's most likely one of the girls. the director of the cold case institute joins me. sherrill, what about the parents doing it? can you imagine if one of my twins said, hi, mom, throw out all the pots and pans, i wouldn't new ones. that will not happen. >> [cross talking] >> it shows he's able to manipulate them even as a

30-year-old. his biggest concern is a pot or a pan that's touched a piece of meat and he can't use it. but again, nancy, we've talked about bundy several times tonight but i'm going to jump on that bandwagon, too, and say, if you've ever heard kathy kleiner speak, and she's one of the survivors from the child megahouse, she says that bundy never said a word. i don't believe this person did either. i believe he came in. he was laser focused on what he was going to do. he committed those crimes, and he walked away, all in silence. >> nancy grace: you know -- professor joining us, author of "blood beneath any feet" and host of a hit podcast, scott, i agree with what one of our guests said earlier, a knife killing is different from every other killing, and you've worked, what, thousands of homicide scenes as have i.

you were in such close contact with your victim. it's not like you're a sniper at 300 feet. you take a shot. it's not antiseptic and sterile. he was up close and personal with every one of these girls, and according to one of the dads, kailee had gouge wounds on her body. how long do you think he spied on them? look at him. can't you just see those eyes looking through your window. watching their moves. seeing where they were going. what time they come home? >> yes, he had taken his time, i think, they used the word targeting quite a bit here. over the course of these past few weeks i think that he did target them. this home was on a cul-de-sac. there was only one way to get in there. he was wear of who was living there and when he got inside with these victims, he took his time with them, and attacked them. individually, keep in mind we had two couples. both of them, both sets were

co-sleeping. they were in the same bed with one another. and so he would move from victim-to-victim, and the blood, in this case, blood will, in fact, tell, because we're going to learn a lot about sequencing here. relative to dna and physical evidence, as he moves with this knife from victim a to victim b to c and d and so forth, we're going to have an increase asked amount of dna from other victims deposited finally on in a final victim. of course, the big five here, nancy, is going to be in a car in his apartment. >> nancy grace: in no way he got rid of that blood evidence. he would have to use acid to get rid of all that dna. when we return, we've managed to track down people that know him and what they had to say about him being a bully. socially awkward, and i quote, "mean spirited."

>> to me, it feels like the first joy we've had in seven days. you can't even smile when you have this over your head and it feels like a little bit of

weight has been lifted and things are moving in the right direction. >> nancy grace: you're hearing the voice of gonzalez, tail lee's dad. can you imagine, you spend your whole life trying to help your children, you pour in all your money, all your love, all your energy, your hopes, your dreams, plenty of prayers, you finally get them to college, and now this walks in. right there, according to police. this is the guy that stabbed four beautiful college students dead. he said it's the first time he's had joy in seven days, and this is just the beginning of the ordeal these families will be facing. joining me right now, laura ingle is joining us. laura, what can you tell me about, number one, where you are, what you see, what you know from that, and also, i really want to hear about the defendant, the suspect's family, about where they live.

you said it was a gated community. i want to hear all about it. go, tell me. >> all right. so right now we're outside the monroe county correctional facility. this is the local jail here in this county, where there are about 400 inmates, both maximum and minimum security inmates here. i went up to the front door earlier. it was locked. i tried to get in to see if maybe we could put in a request. they told me absolutely not. he'll be here for the next few days while he waits for that next court appearance on tuesday. it was just a few miles away from here, where he was arrested early this morning around 3:00 a.m. i think we have some video to show you of the area, our fox news digital team was over here earlier today, and what we receive explained is that it's a gated community in the sense it kind of has barricades, not those big fancy gates that we see typically when you hear gated community but certainly something that's blocked off and it's private. you can't just mosey on in there. so they kept the public out. the reporters out, police did,

when news broke today of this arrest. this is what we've been told is a well respected family in the area, and the suspect in this case, people don't really like to come out and start talking about people, they get scared but there have been a few people who have come forward to some local outlets. we'll have a steer published on foxnews.com very soon about some people that say, look, when we first met him, he was a nice guy. that's what you always hear, right? but then in later years, in the latter school years, at the end of high school things started to change and some people said he was a bully. some people said he was aggressive. others said that he started to get cut out of social groups because of his aggressive actions and many people said he's extremely smart. this was a very smart guy, according to his educational resume that you've been talking about, but always somebody who wanted to talk about how he knew everything. this, according to people who have come forward and started talking about his mannerisms. he's a tall guy. he's thin. we'll learn more.

hopefully we'll get some more pictures. we'll have that mug shot and hopefully we'll see him on tuesday, and give you a better description of that. but right now, this is a very quiet community. many people, we played that sound bite for you earlier, of a guy who moved here from new york city feeling like he wanted to be somewhere safe and secure where bad things didn't happen and it didn't happen here but the guy that's been hunted for seven weeks, was found here in this county. we'll learn more as we're here in the coming days, nancy? >> nancy grace: can you show me that aerial shot again of the defendant's family home? i want to see that, there is a lot of snow. there you go, and they are big, huge homes on wooded lots. i mean, i'm starting to suspect a silver spoon in somebody's mouth. look at that. now, how did this guy end up a suspect in a quadruple murder,

one of the worst that have been seen in the state of idaho? the lawmen and women who handle the scene so acutely, they have actually had to get counseling after working that crime scene. how did that happen? another thing, sam, if you could put up cut 10. this is from two friends of kohlberger. nick mclaughlin and thomas arntz. stating that kohlberger always wanted to "fight somebody, bullying people, started cutting them out of our friend group because he was a hundred percent different person. he was mean spirited, a bully. i never thought he would do something like that. but at the same time, it doesn't really surprise me." wow! that's telling me a lot.

neighbors, we understand, state that they only saw him going to and from the mailbox. that's all they knew about him. let's go back out to dan springer, joining us on location in moscow, you know, dan, i understand that -- excuse me, sam, what? >> okay. going to the panel. i understand that the authorities were just about to clean out the home. let's take a listen to our shot eight. police reveal the cleanup of the murder house was starting, and then called off by a court order. can you play that for me, sam. >> this morning, youed to us that the remediation would begin today. it was suddenly stopped. can you tell us why? >> yes. the house clean up has been halted, and that came by a legal

request from the court. >>. >> nancy grace: joining me right now, former homicide detective, host -- chris, thank you for being with us. what are you make from what we're learning now about the suspect? >> nancy, i think a couple of points to consider, real fast, is what we call pre-incident behavior. and what the authorities have done is, you know, sent the message out into the community and across the country, for any type of behaviors that this individual may have engaged in, and show, that's critical to understand because that will help us understand -- they will put together some of the behavioral aspects in relationship to why this guy did what he did. and so, i think a piece of this big puzzle is going to be his academic choice and his studies

there. who were his mentors that worked with him through his masters program? what were his interests that he would reflect that back on to the suspect here? so those types of things help us understand a little bit more about how this guy thinks and that will be critical coming over the next couple of days. >> nancy grace: that's really interesting, i was discussing that with someone just before we went to air. when i went and got my advanced degree at nyu in criminal law specifically, i got to steer what i was interested in. all right. i would be very curious as chris is pointing out, what was his interests? we know about asking violent felons, what were you thinking about when you raped that lady or committed that murder? he was a little too into it?

>> yes. you know, really, fascinating to me, nancy, out of all the schools he could have chosen, and washington state is a fine school why, did he choose washington state for his ph.d. studies? we know he was de sales, but here's the key. who was he going to study under at washington state university? that individual that would have mentored him there, what's their area of interest? did he have a ph.d. supervisor at this early point in his academic career as a ph.d. student? people talk about digital footprints all the time. we leave all of these signals behind. in academia, you cut a wide swath here. he would have published papers, worked on research, and it will be very fascinating to track him through his entire academic career relative to this. what has he produced what mediums has he been to? who has he engaged with, this continuum in academia and

finally landing him in pullman at washington state university. this is something we need to keep a close eye on. >> nancy grace: guys, when we return, we'll hear from the experts, the f.b.i. and homicide detectives. how did they do it exactly? how did they find this guy? how did they make the arrests, and what about this guy's social media? my a1c stayed here, it needed to be here. ray's a1c is down with rybelsus®. i'm down with rybelsus®. my a1c is down with rybelsus®. in a clinical study, once-daily rybelsus® significantly lowered a1c better than a leading branded pill. in the same study, people taking rybelsus® lost more weight. rybelsus® isn't for people with type 1 diabetes. don't take rybelsus® if you or your family ever had medullary thyroid cancer, or have multiple endocrine neoplasia syndrome type 2, or if allergic to it. stop rybelsus® and get medical help right away if you get a lump or swelling in your neck,

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>> nancy grace: fox news alert. tv icon barbara walters dead at 93. we'll go out to ashley strohmeyer, ashley what can you tell us? >> trail blazer abc news anchor and correspondent barbara walters was born on september 25, 1929, after graduating from college in bronxville, new york, in the 1950s she found work as a publicist and television writer

before landing a spot as a writer on nbc's "today" show in 1961. she would become the program's first female co-host in 1974. walters shattered the glass ceiling in 1976 as the first female anchor of an evening news program. she also co-hosted 2020 and launched the view, during near fowler decades at abc and before that, at nbc, she became a household name for her exclusive interviews with rulers, wealthy and entertainers. in a career that spanned five decades she won 12 emmy awards. she made her final appearance as a co-host of "the view" in 2024 but she remained an consecutive producer of the show and continued to do interviews and specials. barbara walters was 93 years old. back to you, nancy. >> nancy grace: thank you. we'll keep you abreast of all the news surrounding the death of tv icon barbara walters. but now, back to the quadruple

slay of four incredible young people. with their lives in front of them. in the last hours around 3:00 a.m., an arrest goes down in a sleepy town nestled near the poconos and at mommy and daddy's house we find him, kohlberger. how did they do it? let's go back out to chris -- former f.b.i. assistant director. chris, we understand there is dna at the scene, and we understand that somehow cops match up dna at the scene to this white hyundai elantra. it's got to be dna that they found at the right place because this was a real party house. there is nothing wrong with that that's not a felony. college students having a good time. a lot of people in and out. it had to be dna in the right place like on the bed sheets, on the victims, on the door knob mixed in blood. how did they do it? how did they affect this arrest? >> nancy, there are two types of trace evidence that will

specifically identify a person. and that's fingerprints and dna. now, fingerprints have been around for a long time. i'm sure it's likely that they got fingerprints there. my sources tell me that they did get some good dna profiles but this person has never been arrested so he's not in the dna database which is the other way you identify a killer. what i believe happened is they used forensic genealogy, which is diving into the commercial dna databases that are out there that are available to any one of us who wants to pay the money and look at our own genealogy, and those databases have built up a pretty good bank of dna profiles through the family line. i think in this case it's highly likely that that's what happened here, is they were able to get into the commercial databases and make a match, at least to a relative. and that led them to this person. i don't think the car led them to it. i think the car was incidental,

when they showed up at the scene the car happened to be there which was confirm confirmation, will, but dna played a significant role. >> nancy grace: jump in, go ahead, sherell. >> i think it's important that you've got dna from somebody and when they get a name and they look to see what vehicle this person owns it's the same vehicle they have been looking for. and what's imperative to me is these law enforcement officers weren't waiting just for the evidence to come back. they were actively searching for this car the whole time. and that's just extraordinary police work to me. >> nancy grace: there is another thing, you're right, sherell. jonathan gilliam what about this, we all went to college. do you remember all the stickers and licenses you had to have to park anywhere on campus? i mean, his school, there at pull ham, washington state university, was 12 miles away, 12 miles away, from the murder

scene. don't you think washington state university had his car on file. he was there in student housing? >> most likely. by the way, i was one of those weird psychology majors before i went into law enforcement. you know, i think all these things, what you're seeing here, nancy is the way that evidence starts to come in to play. once there is a break in an investigation, you can only go as fast as the breaks come in. once you get breaks, things fall into place and pieces of the puzzle start to appear. one thing i want to go back on, though, with laura ingraham, when she was talking about how he became progressively more abusive and a bully, as he was described by his friends, i think, now that i'm hearing that we could probably go back to his childhood and how he started to

develop, which we've seen in other psychopaths, and i think what you're probably going to see is that there is a pattern of behavior that led up to the bullying, that led up to a more deviant behavior where his desire became greater and greater for domination, and so what you saw in that house was the satiation. i don't know how long they lived in that house in pennsylvania but i wouldn't be surprised if they found the carcasses of animals and even potentially bodies. somewhere along the way, because he may be a bully to the people that he knows, he can push it so far before he gets in trouble but it's what he does in secret is what we need to find out now. >> nancy grace: and the cops -- >> nancy, can i dovetail into that? >> nancy grace: an arrest has gone down. we've got to take a break but

when we return, what does his social media or lack thereof reveal about this guy now charged in a quadruple murder of the idaho university students?

>> a swat team swoops down to arrest that guy, right there. in the quadruple slaying of the idaho students around 3:00 a.m. this morning. it took thousands of man-hours to lead cops to that moment. the work of the moscow police, idaho state police, even the f.b.i., working side by side to finally unlock the mystery but it's not all unlocked yet. how did they do it? straight out to brian foley, former homicide detective with connecticut state police. my understanding is there was dna at the scene and they found the car but what about this. think about this. he had according to sources a seat belt infraction in moscow? he's driving around in moscow

what do you think was the tiptip ing point? >> the captain at the moscow police department said a few weeks ago they were narrowing down on a suspect and he could see the case coming to a close, and then look at what the chief, chief frey, he did a good job in moscow, what he said, he thanked local pd, and others who threw the net on this guy but he went out of his way, and you think about all the thousand ten tentacles, he wind out of his way to thank the tech people, he said they do have dna and i saw confidence in the way he spoke, a rock solid case. they got the prosecutor out there. they don't come out and talk unless there is a rock solid case. you can bet they have dna and what the guy said narrowing down on a suspect in 2022, that means family dna. so that's what i took from that.

>> nancy grace: i was surprised to see the prosecutors there, too, that i was a cardinal rule as a prosecutor, never speak to the press. chief mcdonough, what do you make of it? >> i love that last comment because i agree a hundred percent. also something else to consider, is, some of the trace element potential, there was a dog in that residence, right? that's a silent witness. does this individual potentially have trace evidence from the animal walking through that house? and that now transfers on to the suspect's clothing at some point? and then that turnovers into the car? and then they get the dna off of the animal hair so that's another possibility as well. not only blood, and then, of course, the suspect's shoes. those are always critical pieces of clothing, as this panel knows. we want to grab that stuff early and quickly. there is a whole bunch of variances that could play into this. it will be interesting to see.

>> nancy grace: morgan, i'm up against a hard break, one minute left, what about the fact that we're hearing this guy has no social media. what he's living under a rock in a cave? >> it doesn't mean he's not anonymous, playing around out there, nancy. i go back and think about that tik tok video that these poor young women created, and you could see the interior of their home, imitating each other's personalities, and it sent a chill up and down my spine. was this guy lurking on their social media, was he there standing back and watching everything going on in that house? >> nancy grace: guys -- [cross talking]

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