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maddie kaylee and ethan continues we're joined tonight by esteem panel of experts to examine every aspect of this case. paul morrow inspector doctor marco fox news contributor doctor lauren miller neuropsychologist they join me on set today. thank you y'all so much for being here. paul i want to go to you first. from an investigation stand point when you see this affidavit we've been going through for days now what immediately sticks out to you? >> one of the things is this guy was clearly not the criminal master mind that he thought he was. he managed to leave a sheathe with his dna at scene and left a significant digital foot precinct which we've been talking about how significant that was going to be. he drove his own car to the scene. and let's see what else emerges on reporting that we're hearing is things that led to him frings, the fact that two on

campus cops found his car quite quickly. so as of literally the 29th just two weeks after the event, the task force was already honing in. so lay did a great job. but you know, let's be frank it is not like he made it that difficult for them. whatever he thinks of himself. >> yeah. doctor when you look at what we had heard of victim and now you have the affidavit that describes crime scene. do you see a king the city in theme what have we hear about the medical examiners report, the autopsy, and what we see in this affidavit? >> yeah. the autopsy reports haven't been released yet. the prosecutor has them, and what we see in the scene is a lot of blood and the fact that they're thes four didn't use cell phones, didn't crawl around

and yell for help. that they died very quickly from thes severe stab wounds. they didn't die immediately. they died while blood -- creases inside their body ande four of them are dead before as he's leaving the house. there wasn't any way that they could be revived. >> they pretty much died instantly then? >> not instantly they can get up and crawl, and one doesn't collapse as if there was a cardiac arrest. but if there's a stab wound, one dies from the internal bleeding, and that takes a little time, minutes instead of instant. but there was an issue that came up relative to an eight minute delay. and excuse me, eight hour delay before the police were called. i think that didn't increase the

reason, the four died. thes four died before what he was going out they were dead. lawrence: doctor miller you said initially on the program that he used a knife because he wanted to be close with these victims, and now that you're hearing so much out of this affidavit it was enough to get arrest. what are your thoughts? >> well, it certainly us cow frzed affidavit we learn before night so that shows me that he is already kind of pangt sizing and imagining how he's going to get close to them. the weapon that allows for that sort of i hate to use word intimacy but allows him to get close to them. >> do you still remain king the

in your theory after reading affidavit that he was targeting someone? >> absolutely. the fact of him driving back and forth from the house 12 times pee clearly had an identified target in mind. >> yeah. paul -- now, we know this guy he thinks he's very smart. he's pursuing his criminal justice degree ph.d. already has his master there and has a little bit of technology knowledge and wasn't as careful as he should have been were you surprised that he left the sheathe there and circled back to crime scene is that a red flag for you? >> certainly seems to be. you can theorize why he did it whatever drove him to do this could play into why he return and could be a more reason which is that he we know he took rout after he left the scene. possibly to with do what he thought he was doing which was

throwing potential investigators off the trail maybe to get rid of some evidence. some point during that he might have realized oh i have the knife. i don't have the sheathe and so about 9:00 he pings again in the area. and you know that goes what we talk about up front he turned his phone off you know again he's still accused right. but that said -- in this timeline in affidavit, he comes back with his phone on. so that goes to lack of caution here again lack of trade craft that he thought he might have. >> do you think he started to get sloppy as the cream continued because he can study it all day but never committed crime we think so far. >> that's right there's another subtilty that people have commented upon the ways that it is written it appears that he came face-to-face with one of the surviving roommates. so for somebody who was so cautious and was capable of doing what he did -- you know, his action at that

point where e had just leaving the house really make you wonder what state of mind he was in did he feel satiated or was he in a kind of state of mind that you're talking about which is just he didn't realize what it was really going to be like. >> we're going to get back to that surviving witness we have some information early on at cross country and decided not to go to air because we don't want her at risk because she's a cooperating witness but we wouldn't identify but doctor miller already killed four people he will have the her and comes face-to-face with her. that took me by surprise. >> absolutely. that was a shock to me wales and very disturbing to hear about. after seeing a layout of the house, however, i do think it's possible that she could have opened door that bedroom door opens to the interior and stood in the hallway and saw out familiarly of her bedroom was dark. and he could have walked past her without seeing her and state

of mind at that point he might have been in a disassociation state and focus on leaving and next steps after that and if he wasn't aware someone was in the house might have been looking for surviving eyewitnesses. >> doctor what would you be looking for because -- we eventually have to go back to the motive that means who was the target? when you're examining body qhar you looking forward to saying this person was the target? >> well, in this stabbing situation, usually not always that target of their multiple stabbing deaths overkill usually involves the target where overkill being that the perpetrator keeps banging on shooting them banging on their heads on shooting them because that i angry at the person and that sounds like rage reaction

and somebody who may be a close relative in a situation. but there's a rage reaction that person be the target. in general, but we need more information here. that clearly how did he know that nobody had a gun in there? to see if he's coming with four people -- >> no one had a gun that the door was unlocked doctor baden panel sit tight we have much more from our panel this hour now i want to go to ted williams. ted i want to go to you about the killer and some of these postings that he put online. we know that some information that we got before the affidavit suggested that he was soliciting information as a class project apparently. to people that had committed krill but there's also postings that particularly might be the suspect that talked about the crime after he had already committed the crime.

what are you learning? >> well you know, lawrence i'm here at the scene of the crime i can tell you a crime scene talkings out loudly to good investigators. and as part of the investigation, he had to look into the psyche of brian and these are indicators of his state of mind. this man may very well have thought that he was going to commit the perfect crime. and as no such thing as a perfect crime as a matter of fact, the first thing law enforcement did was to move or around the neighborhood to try to get as much video as they could. they got video and they showed that part of the video showed a white car. on november the 25th they put a apb out to law enforcement in the area to look out for a white

car and they gave the specific make that it was a honda elantra, a guard at washington state in -- in washington located that car. and they became laser focused on bryan after that day and i can tell you lawrence, lawrence did a tremendously good job in a very quiet manner. in solving this crime. >> ted i want to go back to crime scene because there was a critical point there is is this camera. paul mauro expn we walked that entire outside of that crime scene looking for crams ringing doorbells and we didn't see cameras out there did law enforcement potentially confiscate that cram as a piece of their evidence? toiled believe if there was a

camera we noted there was a camera very close by here. that law enforcement clearly would have confiscated that camera and wanted to look at the video feeds on that cram. glans i think it's unbelievable after all of the scrutiny it looks like law enforcement had more than they were letting on they protected the integrity of the case and they should be -- celebrated for that ted williams excellent reporting thanks so much for coming to the program. >> my pleasure. >> up next, you've got to brother. up next suspected killer former coworker who knew him before he committed these heinous murders are speaking out. they'll join me live after the break. don't go anywhere.

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welcome become to the program so we know the suspect was a criminal justice major. we know he was pursuing his ph.d. we know that he had postings talking about he wanted to know why criminal dos what they do but who really was this suspect so we wanted to bring someone that knew the person and a prior light i want to bring in someone who knew him the suspect

personally rick you worked with him for a period of time what can you tell me about the suspect? what was he like? >> he was just your average guy i met him through some friends and they told me that he was a little weird, and he was a little socially awkward. i guess you could say -- but he wasn't a bad guy. he needed a job so -- worked at a pizza shop at that time he said come on apply and he got the job so i woked with him for a little bit. but he was quiet, though, he doesn't ever come off violent or -- [inaudible conversations] >> what was that? lawrence: what was conversation whrook him when you talk and look you in your eyes did he have friends did he have a girlfriend at the time? >> it was so long ago it was like 2013. but he didn't have a girlfriend

i do remember that about and my wife twoact school with him they graduating together and she doet remember him having a girlfriend and i don't remember him ever having a girlfriend. and -- he didn't have many friends so he like would do anything to fit in. and do like, you know, just wanted to be liked by everybody. but he wasn't bad kid like he was all right and i knew his sister and father worked for the school and i believe his mother did too. but his family they were just all nice people. and you know, his dad was always really nice to me very polite. but i just never thought he had do something like that. lawrence: good copy so we've heard from some people that surrounded had theme there may have been drug use in his life prior as well. did you know him to use drugs or anything like that, sir? >> yeah he did use drugs. that's how i really know him

too. he was a big heroin addict so was i got sex years and i work in treatment now but back then i was using so that's how i know for a fact he was using. i've got high with him a couple of times and used with him, and i remember one night we went out and his car broke down and dad had to come out and he got angry because his car and didn't get what we needed at that night but you know i knew over people that dealt drugs and we would deliver to hill a lot so that's when i heard about this case i haven't heard from him so no long and then i heard about this. it said he was going to college i said i haven't heard from him i guess he must have cleaned up i knew he was in and out of rehab a couple of times but he did clean up an was going college all of these years. >> i'm short on time but i have to ask use one last question we heard he had a track record of being inappropriate. border line offensive to women did you ever see that?

any interactions with him or interactions with women? >> not my time knowing him never seen him ever, ever act like that towards women and never seen him come off that way toward anybody. lawrence: rich thank you so much for joining the program. i'm sorry i'm short on time hopefully you'll come back. thawnch. lawrence: thank you sir. i want to -- thank you i want to bring back my panel paul mauro and lauren miller doctor you heard that interview. we have heard some rumbling about drug use. there you hear from someone that did drugs with him. how does that impact this case? >> well consistent with what rich said everything i've read suggest that suspect has been clean since at least 2017. so i'm not sure the current drug use had anything to do request motivation in the crime. but what stickings out to me about what he said was that the suspect was socially awkward and that is also very consistent

with things i've read about him from other people that knew him growing up former friends of his who described him as mean, cruel, aggressive wanting to dominate not quite understanding how normal horseplay or guys playing around would escalate into a head lock how that's not a friendly gesture so seems to kind of miss these -- appropriate ways of interacting with people and favor of more dominant ways of interacting with people. and in terms of interactions with women, we've also read things about him saying things to female servers and bar tenders in restaurants what time do you get off work? what's your schedule? where do you lives and certainly if you want to get to know a nice looking lady, there's, you know, more appropriate questions to lead with. >> i'm so glad you've brought that part up because paul one thing that is just strange to me -- when you read that affidavit,

you see not only did he kill three women but he also killed male as well but there was no sexual assault there at the crime scene. but we see this abuse to women we know that potentially based on that information we have from sources, that one of the two women upstairs may have been the target. so why -- why not the sexual assault as well? why just the murder? >> goes to you know speculation the theory acting out lawrence said in an effort to assert dominance to show who he could be and one thing goes to and we've all, you know, discussed because it is not in the affidavit is motive all right. you always topght see a motive as part of the narrative that prosecutor going to put together. and you know, there's something that really jumps out about his history when he applied to be a intern he had to write and essay he said he wanted to help rural police departments do digital

forensic investigations and you know, he apparently get that internship or had not got it been by the time of the murders. and so you know, this almost a little bit of a feeling here like he was kind of trying to show what needs to be done like by proxy thing killer nurse right a theory heard bouncing around local folks we wanted to show this is the kind of thing that can happen and you need people like me to be around to of it so motive is still a mystery but clearly acting out of some lack he felt in himself. >> doctor you've been on both sides worked privately you've worked for county as well. when you have a suspect like this that knows the system he's made a lot of mistakes based on affidavit but does it make it hard to prosecute a guy like this? >> well i could see a battle of psychiatrist developing between the defense and the prosecution

beth as to motive as to red flags that may have come up too that things could have been prevented and also as to whether he's really got mental health problems that will prevent a fair trialing. they don't have as i understand a -- exclusionary reason enough to go to mental trial and mental issues that go to trial and i think that -- this is going to turn into a battle of psychiatrist if it goes to trial just to try to answer the very questions that you've brought up. is there motive could it have been prevented? and did something happen something must have happened to make an act in the way he did. >> i can't wait to get more and since he's all powerful also smart as well. will he go for insanity as well

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study how you process at a kraim scene but he left dna there and left a bloody crime scene how is that all analyzed how do you get evidence to convict someone district attorney ann is here as well as crime scene analyst khairiah thank you so much for joining the program. amri you've been doing this for a long time he thought he was smart and left dna at the crime scene and what we hear from source they still have defensive wounds that may have dna there. is that a slam dunk for prosecution if they can match that dna to him? >> well whenever you have dna evidence you're always looking to see what is the item left behind and you can come up with

an innocent intlangs a rape murder, you know perhaps person will claim he had consensual sex and somebody else killed victim and in this particular situation you've got a knife sheathe left behind according to the affidavit, and that's a difficult thing to explain when you couple that with evidence that we're talking, the car and phone and trail of evidence both before, during and after the crimes. lawrence: yeah. i want to go to you, so what if this suspect says, hey, my knife was stolen. i was not there. you've got the wrong guy there. is a possible in a court of law? >> sure it is possible but here's the deal there's nobody else's dna on the neigh explain you being in the neighborhood 12 times before the murder, explain your phone pinging that very morning at 4:04 and then you cut your phone off. and that will be a pattern that he will not be able to explain

because he's probably never cut his phone off or put it on airplane mode before this particular distinct so there's a lot of thing he's not going to be able to explain. >> sure, i anticipate this guy just because he was there and this house was known as one that had a lot of parties there. he could potentially say he was there with some of the parties hits were off the cell phone with him going event there is. do you expect that to hold up in court and i know i just got to say, this is a court of law so there's going to be a lot of back and forth there. do you expect that? >> listen, no. they have got evidence that they have not released yet, for example, if his dna is on the bedspread, if his dna or finger precinct is on sliding glass door he's not going to be tiebl explain why if he went to party he was also in two or three different bedrooms he's not going explain why he was there 12 times before the murder he's

not going to be tiebl explain wearing gloves put it in the neighbor's trash. he's not going to explain why he changed his car tag. none of that is going to play well in front of a jury they're going to be able to understand what this is. >> yeah. you can't escape forensic evidence as many investigators say crime scene dos speak and this one definitely did. thanks so much for joining the program toipght bring panel in for reaction paul when you hear some of the information that i was providing with other guest on the program. we know this guy he's already trying to get into minds of investigators and have been reportedly some reports that says he's holding investigators to get other guy as well. he's already starting to process very early right -- >> there are report that he has called in to podcast that he's been on facebook groups reddit and aftermath of the order i suspect some of it will play out to be he's playing games and one

that i think jumped out at my regarding dna evidence and affidavit is that it didn't include evidence that made headlines early on in this thing. and as putting on my lawyer hat my strong us spyings reason they didn't do that is because evidence there's some issues with it legally whether or not it is strong as the direct evidence that they were tiebl generate so they don't need it and law enforcement that's a parallel they used a gene yo logical and parallel with something that's going much more comprehensible to a jury but simply stronger so -- >> paul you're saying they use that evidence they use because they didn't go through the normal channels of, you know, it takes long time to do that but they didn't use that as basis of their warrant but they use to zero in on them and found something else that was substantial to put in probable cause affidavit. >> that's right doctor knows better than nobody else the is

in infancy and private company they don't love their stuff being used in prosecutions because it is going damage their business model preem sending their dna in because they don't want caught up in something so they have on websites things like they don't hit evidentiary standard they are to the entire process so why bother why have to subpoena and that gets complicated far jury. better to use the stuff that's tried and true one to one match people understand put that in the affidavit that's what they did. >> dock. part of the crime scene is the eyewitness. and coming face-to-face with the eyewitness, do you see that not only being a critical part of this case but the psychology damage for this witness general he's already starting to come under scrutiny for her reaction towards the criminal why did she go to bed what goes through your

mind? >> well there are a lot of reasons why she might have reacted the way she did, and that i think we should all consider that we wouldn't know how we would behave in that situation unless we were faced with it but in terms of her seeing him i think that's another corroborating piece for the dna evidence where he could say i was there at the another pongt in time, you know, of course, there was a party house a lot of people were there. she saw thrill that night and she could probably testify or somebody probably could that none of those roommates had that sort of knife and that sheathe wasn't there the night before. and in terms of her -- not alerting anybody sooner there's a well documented bystander effect firstly that when there's a crime being committed in an area with a number of people that people tend to have an assumption that somebody sells going to call and

that they don't necessarily need to take same objection you're togs about house with at least five that night i think six people in it she might have thought i heard strange things but five other people here so if there's a problem i'm sure somebody else will happened it. thes other piece that might be more individual factors for her, is how she responds to stress. does she -- somebody who springs into action is she somebody who just krief crumbles and freezes or somebody who just wants to avoid the situation? i don't know anything -- >> doctor you're saying that it's a lot more complicated than people may see by reading affidavit. >> absolutely. absolutely there are general psychological factors like the bystander effect that i mention and then there's individual factors that played into her decision making that night. >> where else do we potentially where -- investigators may find dna of the suspect at the crime scene we know the sheathe we know -- >> but it's the way the dna is

found that the most important thing that the knife sheathe is found and the affidavit says that they found one only one male dna on the sheathe. when the other people handling it except women may have been a lot of blood on the blade from females. and only one male dna probably from fingers that are the class, and most important thing in the forensic evidence thus far as indicated in the affidavit is the pennsylvania trooper who looked through the trash that have been discarded. and they found dna in the trash -- objects in the trash that the idaho state police were able to determine was came from the father. the father dna is evidence of

the dna on the sheathe being from the sun. that's enough. they don't need genology dna. to bring that up in court they don't need it. they have dna on the sheathe. and it didn't match any of the databases when they got the father's dna through the trash, and then they were able therefore to identify the son's dna from the fur's dna. and they've also gotten swabs of whatever and his own direct dna which will be a perfect match on the sheathe. and that is solid evidence and the best scientific evidence. >> thank you doc stand by panel we laid out about the prosecution case but what did suspect attorneys argue to the jury the criminal defense the panel join us next after the break.

lawrence: within going through the prosecution the evidence that is been presented so far in the probable cause affidavit, but in america, even if you're a psychopath and cruel murder you're entitled to a criminal defense what will be his defense legal analyst greg jared and brian claypool you've been doing this for a long time brother. there's a lot to rip apart also in this probable cause affidavit if you're on the criminal defense side. what do you see, sir? >> hey lawrence great to be with you. look at the end of the day defense lawyers create a trial within a trial. what i mean by that is they are going to challenge the preservation the crime scene they've already sent out his public defenders sent out experts to the cream scene. they are going look at every single piece of evidence that was supposed to be preserved at that crime scene and they're going to challenge that let me

give you an example baa lawrence there were friends that came over to the house before 9-1-1 is called. every single surviving roommate every single friend that came over to that house will be questioned where did you walk to within that house and what it you ?ee what did you touch while you were in that house for example when you walked into the room did you see the sheathe from the knife on the bed? where did you see it on the bed? was it right next to the right-hand part of the one the deceased body blood splatter on the sheathe and walk where the foot footprint so defense lawyers by the way lawrence will get audio tapes of every single evidence so they're able to sit and listen to every single question that was asked of every single person that was in that home from 4 a.m. to almost noon and they're going to be tiebl use that information to create

inconsistently the blood issue on the sheathe is porkt and michael will tell you there was a violent struggle and how is it i'm just saying how is it there's no blood spatter at all on this sheathe from the knife on the bed right next to one of the bodies. that's one of the things they're going look at as well and argue. >> yeah they're going to bring exparents privating investigators they've already been on the crime scene, greg and this is hard for me because i feel for this one twhans is on the scene. but they're going rip her apart ons defense stand if she takes the stand what do you see happening? that would be incriminating. point out the dna so defense attorneys will do what they do in dna cases they attack the integrity of the dna itself the collection methods, the

laboratory analysis very much like the defense team did in the o.j. simpson case which became template for dna cases. but look this is not los angeles 1995 a select defendant and a celebrity dream team and distress cops as they did in los angeles in the aftermath of the rodney king beating. this is moscow, idaho completely different people that actually do have faith in government and faith in police gathering techniques. so you know, that's going to be an up hill battle for the defense team to try to convince these jurors that dna evidence isn't the accused. >> yeah. i'm waiting for that defense. i'm waiting for them tell me how he was there and what are those

cell phone pings all around there. and why was he casing thes scene and i'm waiting to figure out who's the target and how he's going to fight that? you guys are doing excellent defense attorneys thank you for joining the program. thawnch. up next we'll hear from moscow community as they continue to take the first step towards healing that's next on cross country. get refunds.com powered by innovation refunds can help your business get a payroll tax refund, even if you got ppp and it only takes eight minutes to qualify. i went on their website, uploaded everything, and i was blown away by what they could do. getrefunds.com has helped businesses get over a billion dollars and we can help your business too. qualify your business for a big refund in eight minutes. go to getrefunds.com to get started. powered by innovation refunds.

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>> finally catching this killer pfnlg it is wonderful. it is a good thing. good thing for our community good thing for everyone. hopefully if this is the killer off the streets. >> glad they call him and stuff, and it is bringing a lot of piece to everyone's minds. >> great they caught the killer but like -- we don't know if it is the real person. really -- >> it is most likely probably them. but like we don't know for sure and sounded like he has an accomplice. when he was arrested he said did they catch the other person as well. do you think that he had a accomplice or is he just playing

mind games? >> thing fellow is a, obviously, he's a psychopath. and so you know, you think it is hard i know it is hard for me towns the mind of a psychopath. >> you feel leak there may have been somebody else involved because he said did they catch the other person or do you think he's playing mind games? >> i don't think he has an accomplice hopefully he didn't. he may have been referring to something else like maybe thought there were beginning to arrest his father for driving him back. >> i think everybody in the community is relieved and happy that the police made an arrest and we hope that justice is, you know, served. >> do you think people will sleep better in town knowing that he was captured? >> , i mean, yeah but still an eerie feeling around here. lawrence: so, obviously, the moscow community is breathing sigh of relief but they're not going to rest until this killer is rightfully convicted i want to bring in panel for final

thoughts doctor miller what is your biggest take away? >>ing final thoughts would be long standing personal problems trouble with women need to dominate and control others that was probably partially studied through work as a security guard. but when he moved out here in june, wasn't able to make friends wasn't able to establish himself in the community connect with women. i think that's when this fantasy really started brewing, and took more came more to fruition than actual planning of the crime. >> doctor bodden. >> i think from a forensic point of view the dna evidence is see stroangs and we don't know the answer to your question whether or not any dna was found under fingernails that hasn't been any of the four victims or whether -- there was any of the four victims blood in his car that he drove down 2, in 2,000 miles and

tried to clean up because there if there's any blood dna from any of the four victims in the car, that would be things on his clothing that he carried into it. >> if he got blood in the car that is hard to clean so even top pros can't clean that paul mauro final thoughts. >> into caches where two sides have to, you know, they have to get into litigation essentially right. the prosecution is going to have to part of the discovery start putting their evidence out there to the defense to defense is going to challenge it every way they can constitution challenges procedural challenges et cetera. assuming the case is a lot we don't know yet and come out and see a lot more and digital could see a lot more and could get to point where we're looking at a situation he has to take a plea. people don't like that but family doesn't have to go through the trial and don't know what jury will do and he has to admit including do you have any

prior activity like this and that's something we've all been wondering. quickly if they give the plea agreement that the death penalty option get off the table at that point. >> that's the lever for him only plea deal that's on the stable life without parole but at least not on death row. >> l that would depend as far as the prosecutor is concerned. that's a tough conversation. i feel for those victim advocates as well to break that news to them. panel you've been great more cross country after the break. ♪ ♪

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