>> great to see you as always. the idaho murders and nancy grace is up next on "the nex revolution". nancy: did bryan kohberger actually attend a memorial for the 4 slain students, did the killer brag in on-line chat rooms where is the murder weapon? why did one roommate who survived wait over 7 hours to call 911. fox losfox news alert we're

finally getting answers. nancy: you see him. bryan kohberger studying kril criminal justice. >> >> detectives arrested 28-year-old bryan west for kohberger on a warrant for murder of kaylee goncalves, madison mogen, xana kernodle xana kernodle, and ethan chapin. >> it is death and or imprison am for life, do you want. >> yes. >> the surviving roommate, came face-to-face with the killer, perhaps most chilling single detail was the story of the roommate. who saw this man, clad all in black and wearing a mask. >> cell phone data shows he returned to the screen. just hours later before police were called. >> we're glad we live in the state of idaho with the

death penalty. >> i am nancy grace, thank you for being with us for this somewhere report on idaho stup student murders, right now more questions than answers, we'll take your questions. did bryan kohberger actually attend a memorial for the four of slain students? laura ingel. unconfirmed reports surfacing now. tonight that kohberger waltzed across the floor of the memorial at end of more for the four slain students have you seen the video. >> i have, there are a lot of people who are paying close attention to this. the movements of the people as they walk.

and compare to video of bryan kohberger lead in and out of a courtroom. something interesting about that memorial service, everyone that went in, it is our understanding had to be screened every person who was screened may have had their photo taken, there were people watching, this was always a concern of family members. you have to look at the way he walked and his legs move. compared even though h was shackled in the courtroom in pennsylvania, a lot of concern. we know that there were a lot of eyes on every person that was at the memorial. nancy: joining me dr. bethany marshall, psychoanalyst out of beverly hills, if this is true, and bryan kohberger actually attended the memorial for

the four slain students, what would that tell you? it would not be first time we've seen a murder defendant show up at a funeral, normally, in this case, detectives are combing the funeral or memorial to spot the defendant. >> this does not surprise plea, me, we see this all of the time in cases of domestic homicide, i think he still reveling in the crime. he is self flow fii glorifying the crime, he has been fascinated with crime his entire life, his under grad yeah yegraduate degree was in crime. he submitted a questionnaire on facebook asking people about how they fell during

committing a crime, he has been fascinated with crime, and he stocke stalked victims, that tells me that the oh ofengdi offending cycle of the before. nancy: this is the interesting thing. i want to follow up on what you are saying, i want to about to cheryl mccollum. >> over many weeks until that memorial service. nancy: founder of cold case research institute, cheryl. i'm following up on what the doctor said, if, bryan kohberger did attending the memorial, it is like he is feeding off -- he is reliving the moments of the murders. and we know that he came back to the home, this is amazing, with no eyewitness, and no murder weapon yet, police have pieced together

an incredible technological case using live streaming center the food truck and tiktok to celle phone data to all sorts of technological break throughs, that reminds me, cheryl, tonight circle back to the fact that they did try a cell phone data dump. around the time of murders, but now we know that kohberger turned off his point when he left his home over at wsu, back to reliving the moment, we know he came back to the scene the morning of the murders to what? admire his handiwork? or to get that sheath from the knife knack back the back that was left or maybe silence a went that had seen him? >> it could have been any of those, i want to talk about something i have not heard anyone else mention, he is stalking that house, prior to the murders, the 12 times

he goes there, the day of the murders, he goes over three times before the 4:04, he parks on begin side, kaylee goncalves a range rover was out there, she went to that house to show maddi her new car, saw a car he did not know or he did know who it delanguage belonged to. it didn't matter to him. >> another issue that is emerging, been a lot of backlash against one of the two girls that survived. dm . she is named in the probable cause affidavit, she waited over 7 hours to raise a bell of alarm. call 911, get 911 called. there may be a lot of factors for that but i want

to go to brian foley, former homicide detective, you have dealt with so many homicide witnesses. this girl, is just a sophomore, she has not lived away from home before this, a teen girl that witnessed a horrible thing. i imagine she is either blocking what she saw or in a state of shock and fear, she darted back in her room and locked door. >> nancy, i have known people that have witnessed and did not take action and have had to live with that, it is impacting. i can almost assure you this life will be traged tragically affected there is only one person that is the bad person in in whole case, that the monster that killed the four people, he is behind bars to vilify her,

shwe don't know what type of trauma she faced in her life or what kind of day she had or what she was does that might, people don't know how they will react in those scenarios you look at policpolice officers we train for different scenarios, in. she is lucky that they were not holding a memorial service for her that same week. >> nancy, for a point. nancy: go ahead. >> there are very strong by logical underpinnings, she is fight or flight. fight or flight, is sometime called flight or freezing whether a person is faced with a threat they will

fight or freeze. freezing is a common response, that is what she did, w we don't know if she was used to other students coming out, it was also 4 in the morning, we don kn don't know if they were drinking or she was super tired and wake gd waking up out of a deep sleep. nancy: question. did the killer actual ge on-line and brag on-line chat room. that when we come back, stay with us.

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>> i door dash, tiktok, a dog barking in the night, horrifying last words, police release calm shell details from the 4 university of idaho students final hours, now appears that alleged killer stalked his victims, cell phone information shows he visited area at least 4 times since the murders in early morning hours, november 13.

camera spot a white sedan driving by the off-campus home. after a night on the town, xana kernodle ordered door dash and opened up tiktok, then. roommate dm tells cops she wakes up. sounding lies kaylee goncalves playing with her dog, and saying there's someone here, dmopens her door, looks, see nothing, returning to, as musical before hearing a imr cry from xana kernodle's room, and a mai male voice saying, it's okay i'm going to help you. >> police say a security camera pickings up sounds of a dog barking and distorted audio, that sounded like voices, wi whimperring followed by a loud thud.

and dm opened her door, face-to-face with the alleged killer, walks past her, she strikes him male, 5-10, not muscular, bushy eyebrows, the wide side an speeds away. and police called 11:58 a.m. they find 4 victims brutally stabbed, investigation com commences. >> technology the cell phone, the data. the towers. all of the technological data does one thing and one thing only, it corroborates dna. dna they they searched murder scene to try to find dna from the killer, they did. laura is joining me.

tell me about the dna that according to the affidavit was found in the murder home. >> dna that was discovered came off of the shee sheath that came from the thick blade knife that investigators believe was used in the murders. it has a snap on the top, somehow the person left it behind, it is detailed as probable cause affidavit it was found lying next to the body of madison mogen on the bed, in a were able to detract dna from that, as we know. we're also later surveying the parents home. bryan kohberger's home in pennsylvania, they went through the trash, they were able to pull something out of there they were able to test and make a comparison that lead them to life that

bryan kohberger was connected to this crime. nancy: joining me right now special guest, a dna genius, cc moore. this is what i'm understanding out of all that, a blood bath at the scene, there may be more, i suspect there will be, one bit of dna that was found is in the snap on the sheath of that knife that foiled folds over the knife. explain to me. how that correlates to dna found in the pennsylvania kohberger family home from the father. >> we don't know what type of dna was on that snap. it was most likely touched dna. they would have take than touched dna, might have been a few skin cells sent to to

idaho crime lab and extracted that creating a genetic profile it is made up of 20 genetic markers, with the trash pull from family home in pennsylvania they would not have known whose dna they were getting, they could tell it was a male. and when they tested it, it wasn't the same dna that was on the snap, but it was determined to be the father of the person whose dna was on the snap that is a straight forward comparison that is a standard paternity comparison which has been accepted in courts for decades. this is really straight forward, and really high confidence. nancy: hit me with the numbers that we discussed. the dna exacttude 99.999 8%, you put a number at me the

other day one i on one i one in three -- ther 300 trillion. >> that a number we use in court to specify that this is the one and only person on earth who could have contributed to this dna. >> good lord in heaven. the only person on earth? ! that supplied that dna is the father of the killer? wow. so, my question -- >> well. nancy: my question, how will a whiley defense attorney think johnny cochran come in and try to crack the state's case, can be that done -- stay with us.

for your headlines log on to fact foxnews.com. nancy: you are seeing video of bloo bloody mattresses coming out of the home, i believe you are, these images are to see -- our friends at daily mail it hits home. what the four beautiful students family enduring, you spend your whole life trying to help your children, raise them, take care of them, love them, make enough money to send them to college to give them a better life, then this? suddenly, they are not there for christmas? or new years, it starts sinking in, they are never

coming home, and then you see the evidence as it unfolded and probable cause affidavit. guys, so muc much, much has been happening we hear there is a suggested a neighbor security cam caught whimperring and a thud. and when the parents hear that it has to be so upsetting. then a straight out to you jonathan former fbi special agent, you have the stark dichotomy of what appears to be very premeditated moves on the part of the alleged killer, bryan kohberger, out of all many times he has been coming over and casing that home, the murder home where the victims lived in early morning hours when still dark, late at night, 12 times we know of, back to june. but this night, this one

night, of all nights, he cuts his cell phone off puts it in plane mode as he is driving. from moscow -- from wsu to moscow and en route back home he flip its back on, that is cold. >> he came back to the house later he didn't turn it off or commit a crime at the home at the time allegedly there are hart poin hard points throughout that timeline we know particular things happen. we know he left his house, cell phone last ve registers 24 searc47. the car that of the spotted in neighborhood that leaves at 420 it is turned back on. in between that time, this

leads a lot of credibility to that particular sit of hard times there is hard times throughout. we know door dash arrived 4:00 a.m., they could validate that with a time stamp on a cell tower, we know that car was in and around the neighborhood, we can validate that with cameras. and then we know that particular time went there, that xana kernodla phone went off tiktok, they are hard times, you compare and contrast that, what you see is there is very definitive times in which this individual would have been there, there is evidence that car was there. he was heading there. according to cell phone tower, then headed back from there. these are very definitive hard points throughout the night. nancy: to director of cold case foundation. worked of 300 homicides, chris. this particular moment, the

couple of hours of the murders, his cell phone is turned off? and it gets back on, they can see it traveling, back from moscow back to wsu . >> yeah. this is to jonathan's point, he goes off grid 247 and comes back on 4:48, then we have 12 other previous events, where his phone pinged. what sinc is interesting about 12 other times, one was august 21. 12 weeks to the day, a sunday, of the homicides. so, is this guy doing a presurveillances. he is thinking through how he will take you know, advantage of all of technology training he has to his cloud base forensic

training and 12 weeks later he hits the target. in my opinion this foe goes toward consciousness of guilt and malice aforethought. >> if i could interject, i do not believe this is just survey lint, i believe many serial killers, i think this is first of what he intended he just happened to get caught, there is a strong sexual component to serial killers, they use inflicttion of pain and harm to enhance their sexual arousal, we may talk about him surveilling or casing the join or getting ready for the crime, i think it was part of a master batory f batorfantasy, we need to think of this as spanning -- surveil or stalk, he began to fuel his

sexual fantasies by watching the young women. >> nancy -- >> i have jump in. >> i think this goes -- >> all the way back to pennsylvania. where there is evidence he had the same behaviors, at the a brewery in pennsylvania, he was stalking women asking strange questions. >> two seconds left we'll pick it up after this. i'm a screen addicted tween.

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nancy: on idaho student murders. you have sent me the best questions. ever. i will start right now, but first laura ingels, with a lot of new information, hit me. >> i spoke with a couple of people in weekend we heard reports this bryan kohberger was at a local bar in pennsylvania in years past in recent years. stalking female employees and customers, i spoke with the bar owner he talked to me about all-time he came in made his female employers and customers uncomfortable. they had a system where they scanned i.d.s on the door if an employee made a comment of someone making a problem they kept a record of it

comparing notes, the comes came -- comments came up this guy is asking female customers, when they ki came in with, where they live, when you are leaving, the bar owner said you can be here but do not speak with our customers and employee lines that, bryan kohberger said to him, what do you mine. he seemed shocked and he said you must have me confused with someone else, had a beer, paid cash and never came back that spooked a lot of people there who realize who he is. i spoke with mother of one of his high school friends talked about him coming to their family home, throughout high school, very small group of friends, how they would bounce from house-to-house normal teen things. but then, there was a point in high school, we heard this story before, he had been bullied, he became the bullier and started bullying

her son. nancy: you know according to a classmate of kohberger at wsu, washington state university, he inmated that he could quote, pretty much any bar and be with any lady he wanted. i highly doubt that. but, all of this information is coming in out about who kohberger really is. i'm looking at your questions, one of them do you think dm was in on the killings, it took her 6 hours to call 911. was she jealous of other 3 girls? many asked, did they know each other. >> you know he saw her, i have been thinking about that a lot. and layout of home, i think it is possible that the roommate, one of two, she came out of her room 3 times

and heard noises. and then she saw the alleged killer. she saw him go to the backsliding glass door, and shut her door and locked it, i wonder, if she didn't just crack the door and was looking out, because the kill her to walk by her door. >> he did. but let's go a second. this killer entered on second floor through the sliding glass door. why go to third floor at all. i believe again, his targets were on the third floor. he doesn't have to go up there. but kaylee said she had a stalker, her dad said she had a stalker, she was not supposed to be there she was in a car that did not have a tag, the sheath was left there, that had when he first engaged that weapon there, is no blood on it, they got touch dna from an unknown male, he goes downstairs, dm sees and

hears him and hears xana kernodle talking. he is seen leaving in his car at 4:20. you are talking 16 minutes that is a lifetime when someone is doing this damage. but it is very targeted. he doesn't enter the the second floor and kill two people. he enters second floor and goes up stairs. >> >>

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nancy: welcome back, i am nancy grace, tnch we're taking your many questions

from trace. true to suspect returned to the scene of crime, later that night, if so why do you think he did? yes, he did. the murders occurred between 4 and 4:30, he was in home around 16 minutes. he returned that morning av 9:00 a.m. to either admire his hand i work to see if the cops arrived, to get that sheath back where of or maybe silence a went? to rest of your questions but dr. dupree. thank you for being with us. at first we heard kaylee goncalves father say, he thought she was the original targeted victim. because of a specific gouges on her body, that were much more severe than the other

injuries to the other victims. now we're learning that sheath was beside maddi. how do you determine whether one of the victims is the target. can you do that? >> sometimes you can. it is rather difficult. often times we see that the intended victim of the alleged killer is one that received most egregious injuries but not always, placement of sheath is something that we would look at. it does not necessarily mean that was the first person that was attacked. nancy: i am thinking, another question we have from kay, what is likelihood there is additional da going dane dane in house that of the left out. >> my guess there is -- >> no doubt. >> a lot doctor and why would there be blood on the

walls? >> there probably is more dna at the crime scene it was a very bloo bloody crime scene, there would be flood on tblood -- the wall depends on what parts of person were injured, if you cut an artery there will be spurting blood. >> there will be more suspect dna because he held that victim in place there will dna of his on their clothing, reason there blood on the wall, a cast off pattern, he was the stabs them repeatedly that blood is flinging off that knife to the wall, that is how we can sometimes determine the number of stab wounds. >> there could also be --

>> talk about two unsung heroes officer daniel, the other officer curtis whitman, one of working the graveyard shift. overnight he went through wsu car registration for all students of the wsu, he came up with a white ir elantra, his buddy goes out and finds that white elantra. the old school police work. the alleged killer. first time his name pops up in police documents, after these two, washington state university cops find that

elantra. >> that is a great point. a lot of people have been questioning at the speed in which the investigation unfolded. you can look in the affidavit, the two officers dand look at the dna complekcollection alone within the scene, they stopped, they paused and diligently investigating, throughout this entire thing they have not been going at pace of what family and the general public was telling them they should go, they were going it pace that evidence presented itself, it presented it itself at rate they investigated it diligently. also shows how state and local state and federal agencies will come together and work as a task force, this is the fbi, that is tate police and local police we know and i think this shows the best side of all of

nancy: welcome back, i am reading your questions, patty, it was confusing at first, cops released information that two surviving roommates were not first floor, i am wondering if they did that dm was on second floor, a long time before arrest went down, i don't think they wanted alleged killer to know dm had seen him. on the second floor. that only came out once he was arrested. also, what is going to happen at trial, do you think it will be another oo oj, did the parents know that kohberger would end up being a suspect, i don't know, car was park thrtd drparked in the driveway. to dr. marshall, inch wants to know about a motive.

>> sociopaths have auto nautic under arousal, they don'ti econodon't experience heightened arousal, they maim, kill and inflict cruelty is achieve a sexual high, that is why i believe this was a sexualy motivated crime, interesting that dm hd the killer say, it's okay i'm here to help you, he had sadistic sexual orientation and a god fantasy like the btkkiller, he bragged to the jury and judge he comforted one of his victims before he strangled her, motivation is feel all powerful over another human being.

nancy: i do not think that two roommates that survived were quote, in on the killings. also a lot of questions about how did he get to know them? how did he pick his targets. straight out to laura, have we heard any evidence regards limb meeti him meeting them anywhere? >> right now there isin nothing, i spoke with family attorneys, they said they were still working on trying to find some kind of a connection. they have turned over you knocell phone information to the police, and they are all trueing trying too find a connection. not right now. nancy: another issue. what was he doing the multiple times he went back and forth on the house,

spying on him, brian. >> i think there is a lot more in this arrest warrant. they had enough for a search warrant of cell phone records a week before dna there is more to come, the cops did an amazing job, him shutting his found off will be used against the him, they will look back. there is a lot more to come. cops did a great job. nancy: all right, cc, i have a few seconds. do you predict there will be more dna linking back to the alleged killer? >> i do. i would not be surprised we know that the eyewitness saw his eyebrows. that means highest not totally covered if his head was not covered high could have also dropped -- he could have dropped hair, we can do a lot with hair. i would not be surprised if they had more dna evidence which they have not rev not revealed yet.

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