>> mr. president, what's your reaction to special counsel? >> what's your reaction to special counsel? >> will you sit for an interview? >> will you sit for an interview? >> was it irresponsible, mr. president? >> sandra: that was president biden friday as he was departing the white house dodging reporter's questions after lawyers found another batch of classified documents at his home in delaware, even after the white house told americans the search was complete. all new at 2:00, reaction from

mike gallagher as the gop prepares to investigate. welcome back as "america reports" rolls into hour two. i'm sandra smith. hi, trace. >> trace: great to see you. the president told americans he would bring competency to, and order to the white house but even members of his own party say it's embarrassing at best, if not a national security threat. >> sandra: we are now learning there are novice tore logs from his home in wilmington. no paper records of who was coming and going from his residence there, passing within feet of our nation's secrets. >> some people called it a crime scene, most certainly it's an investigatory scene. a place classified documents may have been held in highly unsecure circumstances for six years. >> trace: fox team coverage starts now, a new committee

could kick capitol hill investigations into high gear. >> sandra: david spunt is live at the justice department. what do we know? >> quite a time at the justice department. two special counsels investigating two presidents of the united states for classified document investigation issues. now, the trump and biden situation on the surface, there are many similarities, but of course when you dig deeper, many differences, too. the biden special counsel, robert hur, his first full week on the job starting today, enormous task ahead of him, investigating a sitting president of the united states to see if he perhaps committed some sort of crime. now, the president's attorney, richard suaber announced he discovered five additional documents. the documents were discovered at the president's delaware property prompting several important questions that we all want to know.

how did they get there, how long were they there, was joe biden authorized as vice president, retired vice president or president to take them to delaware and leave them in his garage. don't know with 100% certainty they were moved before he was president, the documents are around 20. the trump document saga investigated by another special counsel deals with more than 10,000 documents, around 100 thr deemed classified. when asked about the raid at mar-a-lago versus no raid in wilmington, a source says national archives went back and forth repeated will -- repeatedly went back and forth, and he did not turn them over, and he claimed he could classify

just thinking about something. to make things a little more dramatic and complicated, a third special counsel right now in washington, john durham, we have talked about him about four years now, looking into the origins of the trump-russia narrative. >> sandra: david, thank you. >> trace: republicans on capitol hill want answers over what they call two tiers of justice how the doj has handled the probes of president biden versus former president trump. aishah has more. >> hey there, trace. first of all, republicans have to get their committees in order, we are told in about an hour or so, top house republicans will be meeting on capitol hill to finalize committee assignments, including which nine republicans and which six democrats are going to sit on this select subcommittee on the weaponization of the federal government. democrats are calling this a biden document mess, embarrassing.

republicans say it's yet another example of the double standard federal agencies have been playing out for years. >> i can't imagine this double standard in the justice system being applied on mlk day, black folks versus white folks. can you imagine how this administration treats their friends and themselves, and adversaries, we cannot have a two-tiered justice system in america. >> the new judiciary panel will have subpoena power over federal agencies. democrats say republicans will use it to obstruct justice by launching investigations, house oversite chairman james comer demanding visitor logs to the president's wilmington residence, citing national security concerns. adam schiff admits, look, lawmakers have to look into potential national security issues. >> is it possible that national

security was jeopardized here? >> i don't think we can exclude the possibility without knowing more of the facts. i would like to know what the documents were, know what the i.c. assessment is. >> again, trace, underlining here how important today's meeting is, republicans getting together on the holiday shows just how eager they are to get their investigations underway. trace. >> trace: indeed it does. aishah hasnie in d.c. >> sandra: wisconsin republican as congressman mike gallagher. wonder how bad it's going to get. >> count on the republican controlled house to seek the truth. we have serious concerns about a double standard. serious concerns about the casual treatment of classified documents. that's why the incoming intelligence committee chairman mike turner has demanded from

the director of national intelligence a damage assessment, what was in the documents, what methods have been compromised and as of what we have heard from the white house thus far, it's not sufficient, irresponsible, laughable the president sits there and says don't worry, my corvette was in a locked garage. go into your garage, i have a lawn mower, air and snow thrower, some of my daughter's bicycles, i don't have birth certificates or anything of value. i was a counter intelligence officer in the marine corps. and if i would have done something like that, i would have been severely punished. everyone is equal under the law, that's the american way, ensure the executive branch agencies are abiding by that principle. >> sandra: a lot of questions about the treatment and we have heard from house republicans and sort of this 180 that we are seeing from democrats and their treatment of what we are learning about the president and

classified documents versus how they treated the finding of classified documents on behalf of president trump. here is just a little bit of what we heard then, jeffries, biden, pelosi, schumer. >> what did you think to yourself looking at that image? >> how that could possibly happen, how anyone could be that irresponsible. >> no one is above the law, not even a president or former president of the united states. >> it's a large chunk of the republicans, not all of them, a large chunk have become what i called maga republicans, trump republicans, little respect for rule of law. >> sandra: okay, so that was them then. here they are now dodging questions about the importance of these findings. listen. >> do you have any comment on president biden keeping classified documents -- >> i'm sorry. >> seem much more measured about this than with the trump

documents. you called for transparency with the trump documents, you wanted lawmakers to have access to the documents seized from the former president, his residence in florida, which it seems like you -- >> bottom line is i said that night it's premature to comment on what should be done. that's what i said. >> do you have confidence that this will be a bipartisan concern from the congress on this? >> well, i've been in the house for six years now, so i've gotten a little bit more cynical about that, but i hope my democratic colleagues will join us in injecting some common sense into the federal government and insisting on basic fairness and transparency. we just heard and what you played was hypocrisy. it's that hypocrisy that drives the american people crazy. they don't want to see a double standard. i'm not saying either of these incidents were good, by the way, but president trump has the initial defense he was president and has the authority in theory to declassify documents, argument which does not apply

obviously in the case of biden as vice president. so i hope my democratic colleagues take this seriously and join us on investigating any way in which chinese money is corrupting american universities, obviously we have concerns about the biden center, so a lot of things to get to the bottom of. american people want common sense and fairness and are tired of the hypocrisy. >> sandra: on that note, we are just getting some exclusive reporting from our digital team that the white house is slamming house gops -- house gops hypocritical investigations into biden's retention of these classified records. apparently the white house is blasting house republicans for launching what they see as hypocritical investigation into biden's improper retention of classified records and accusing the gop of politicizing the matter while defending biden's cooperation with the special counsel probe. can i get your reaction to that?

the quote, by the way, from white house spokesman to fox digital is this. house republicans are playing politics in a shamelessly hypocritical attempt to attack president biden. your reaction, congressman. >> you know, my reaction sometimes, anything coming out of the white house, i think they live in the twitter world, twitter universe, they are detached from the real world. it's not a political game, and anybody that broke the law in this administration, the last administration, the president, vice president should be held accountable, otherwise the american people lose trust in the basic institutions of our government and recent polling confirms a decline in trust. we want to restore trust, we want to restore accountability, common sense and we are tired of the political games manship coming out of the white house. let's put it aside, do what's right for the country and american national security. >> sandra: you have big goals as

the chairman of the new china committee. a lot of changes that you want to see take place obviously one of them is focusing in on tiktok, but seems to be a lot of pushback on addressing this because people don't want that change and especially younger folks. auburn banned tiktok and this is "new york times" headline, students cannot stop talking about it. the school's prohibition brings a geopolitical fight front and center for tiktok's biggest fans, young americans. and they are not angry about china stealing their personal data, they are angry because they can't push their videos out on the social media app. >> well, here is the fundamental problem. tiktok is owned by bite dance, a chinese company, bite dance is subject to the whims of the chinese communist party. by allowing tiktok to operate in the way it operates in the united states, you are giving the chinese communist party the ability to track your location

censor narratives, and what news people see and don't. highly addictive at a time young people are experiencing anxiety, depression and suicide. it's time we ban tiktok or force the sale to an american company where there is more transparency around the algorithm. tiktok is as sec commissioner brendan carr has pointed out, akin to digital fentanyl. if that makes me unpopular, so be it. >> sandra: should there be a ban of tiktok at the federal level? >> there should. i think we have double digit states that have taken action. i have a bipartisan bill that would be ban or allow for a forced sale, senator rubio has a companion bill in the senate. and here is the thing. now most democrats and republicans are on record as saying tiktok is a problem because of course they recently banned it for government devices. if that's true, it's also a

threat to the american people, particularly to america kids. we don't want the chinese communist party to control the largest and most powerful media company in america and that's what's at stake here. >> sandra: congressman gallagher on all of that, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> sandra: to his point about being unpopular, you can imagine the reaction as you walk on to a college campus. just all on there. i mean, not all, but most. >> trace: both of my daughter go to alabama, my oldest daughter's boyfriend goes to auburn, and students at auburn are figuring a way to get around the ban by getting somebody else's wi-fi. so they always figure it out. meantime, a live look from the southern border as we get word of a new record number of illegal crossings now even some leaders on the left are demanding the biden administration wake up to the reality of this crisis. >> sandra: plus, police departments blaming plunging morale for a wave of officer

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>> every single month we have to talk about new record numbers, new record numbers, you know, that's getting very, very old and above all, it's a real danger to the communities all over the united states, and it's going to be a danger for many decades to come. >> sandra: that was earlier on this program and it has now been

more than a week since president biden made his first and only official visit to the southern border but rather than slow the flow of migrants, illegal crossing have instead been hitting record after record highs. multiple border patrol sources telling fox news agents reported at least a quarter million migrant encounters last month along. some high profile democrats are taking note and telling the biden administration to step up. griff jenkins is live at eagle pass. what are we seeing today? >> hey, good afternoon, sandra, and no border community more so than perhaps eagle pass knows the reality of the crisis, continues to spiral out of control. let me take you up to our fox flight team, sky drone. you can see under the bridge behind me we've got a handful of migrants, this is at least the sixth or seventh group walk up literally where we are to surrender themselves, give up as

they are known to the national guard, the border patrol transport vans will shortly be called, the migrants just showed up here about 15 minutes ago. they'll be taken and processed. meanwhile, over in el paso, they are far too well with this situation, you know, mayor eric adams went out there on saturday night, all day sunday he really got a close-up look more so than president biden, sandra, because he met with el paso's mayor and engaged with migrants, saw them visiting a shelter, new york city has had them bussed there since may, and more of what he had to say when he was in el paso yesterday. >> we cannot have these disjointed responses. we must have a coordinated response and held by fema. this is a national emergency and crisis that must be addressed

that way. >> and it's a dangerous crisis. take a look at this drone footage we shot a little bit earlier today. a few hours ago. you can see multiple groups of migrants going across the river. these currents claim lives of migrants all year-long. it is part of the danger and why so many hope that they will encourage migrants to not come. not just in words, but also in policies, policy, sandra, is what the officials here on the ground hope the administration will put in place to try and get these numbers under control. as you mentioned, a record 250,000 in december, 16 days into january, we'll see when the cbp decides to put them out officially. >> sandra: just stunning. griff, thank you. trace. >> trace: the lapd banning the pro police thin blue line flag from the department's public areas because of a single complaint that said it

represents violent and extremist views. the l.a. police chief waved the white flag saying it was too controversial. outraging many who say they already have low morale. caitlyn, always great to have you on. 10,000 members disagree with the chief of this, pretty much everybody. you would think this time in history the chief would want to back up his officers. >> well, this is a political issue, amazing in california, and chief went woke on us big time and it's really hurting the morale out here in california. basically what happened, to be police chief it is an appointed position. he was appointed in 2018 by eric garcetti and now he's up for reappointment, and he has to

kind of cater to the board. well, you can imagine here in california, the lapd board is very woke. so this issue of the flag came up. the blue line flag that has been in public areas for a while, and it's to really recognize the fallen lapd officers that we have had over the last few years. and all of a sudden black lives matter, other far left organizations says you can't put that flag up in a public place, it's racist, it promotes violence, he went woke on us and decided to go with the leftist groups and remove the flags. well, that really pissed off the lapd and 10,000 officers rejected that. so he's trying to play his cards. it's typical. here in california, the wokeest place out there, you cannot

please everybody and i don't know if the strategy is going to work for him. the vote was supposed to be tomorrow, but karen bass, our mayor, put the vote off to get more public opinion, and obviously they are getting some public opinion right now. so, we are going to see if he's going to be able to retain his position as police chief. >> what his position is, quickly, he said we received a community complaint that it symbolizes violent extremist views represented by the proud boys and others, it's unfortunate they are using the undemocratic racist and bigotted views. there's no fact that it's hijacked by the extremist groups, so he's flying this false flag up the pole.

>> that's the woke media in california. they will decide what they want the flag to mean and not what it was meant to mean and that was to remember the fallen officers here in the los angeles and lapd. and they changed the narrative, that happens with everything. we see this all the time with the far left. they are trying to control the media and out here you have nothing but far left media so the point gets across and chief moore tried to play to that because it's the board, very woke board, that is going to vote on him in the next few days. and he wants to keep his position. so we'll see if the strategy works. i don't know, but he certainly lost the lapd officers, they are really upset with him. so i don't know what he's going to do, even if he does get the job. will he be able to keep the lapd officers on his side. >> trace: we shall soon find

out. and caitlyn makes a great point, the concept here, i talked to a guy i know from the wounded blue which goes after, you know, fighting for officers who have been wounded and killed in the line of duty, he says this is a morale buster, killing morale. they are trying to get officer and are killing morale each and every day. they are asking officers who retired years ago to come back on the force because they cannot fill the positions and situations like this. >> sandra: used to just be worried about the hit to morale and then worried to even have officers on the job, recruitment became so horrible for so many of these police departments across the country, and now this, the last thing we need is divisiveness that is lowering the morale even further and making it harder for the men and women in blue to do their jobs, trace. >> trace: and all the while the crime is going up in los angeles and there are not enough people on the streets to be able to bring it back down.

sandra. >> sandra: a major story developing in virginia that we have been watching a lot of people are talking about this, trace. virginia is investigating now why some schools are blocking merit scholarships for some kids. governor youngkin is speaking out and says the scandal is so much more about scholarships, strikes at the ideal of america. vivek will weigh in. hey, man. nice pace! clearly, you're a safe driver. you could save hundreds for safe driving with liberty mutual. they customize your car insurance... ...so you only pay for what you need! [squawks] whoo! we gotta go again. only pay for what you need. ♪liberty liberty liberty♪ ♪liberty♪

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quote on the screen. blasting the decision saying they have a maniacal focus, and stretching and recognizing we have students that have different capabilities. what is your reaction to this decision that is affecting a lot of students. this is seven schools, accounts for 25% of the high schools in fairfax county with thomas jefferson high school, the top performing public school in the united states, vivek. >> this is deeply personal to me. my parents came to this country over 40 years ago with almost no money. the only way i was in a single generation to found multi-billion dollar companies, ahead on the basis of merit. i was one of those kids in high school and it made a difference to me, to my family to get ahead in the country, and pursue excellence, and what we see in

the country and culture, an assault on excellence itself and even in the school setting, a thought experiment, if you applied the same principles on the basketball court or in the football field, we would not have sports left anymore. we should not think it is any different when you apply it to academics or the classroom either and lift people up and close the racial equity do it, fine, lift the people at the bottom up, not taking the kids on top and dragging them down. that's what we need to learn. >> sandra: the seven high schools in fairfax county, admitting to not informing the students of the very prestigious national merit recognition, virginia attorney general's office is investigating the matter, you have governor youngkin on all of this. but interesting about his quote, not just the mention of the maniacal focus for all students at all costs, vivek, important part of what he is saying here.

what do you believe is the cost to -- this push for equity for all, even if it is the, at the cost of not recognizing, to your point, excellence. >> that's right. there's a really cynical version of this, the $450,000 cost that they paid to a consultant that enforces this agenda on the schools. that's effectively the shake down at schools, people are making money off the trends and by the way, if you are a teachers' union, it's easier to call math racist than it is to do the hard work of actually teaching kids how to do math. the managerial class in the schools, including but not limited to teachers unions and diversity consultants who make money make a good business model out of this. the deeper cost is the sacrifice of american identity itself. if you ask most young people in the country today, what does it mean to be an american in the

year 2023, most of them probably cannot give you a good answer, and the reason why is the assault on excellence. an assault on the american soul and this country was built not on equality of results, but on equality of opportunity. and you know what, if you have to hold people back the more capable people in whatever domain, the sports field, or in the classroom, if you hold them back, then the only way you are going to be able to do it is at all costs, and that's why they were honest when they said that. >> sandra: the students are pointing out, they were purposely left in the dark about this to not hurt the feelings of the other students. those peoples were then named commended students by the national merit scholarship corporation, but not tell them and they therefore missed important college scholarship and admissions deadlines, huge ramifications of not letting them know this, vivek, and people should be paying

attention. vivek, thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you. >> sandra: trace. >> trace: investigation in tuscaloosa, charged a university of alabama basketball player with capital murder. 26 darius miles, the victim, 23-year-old woman. steve is live in atlanta with the latest on this. steve. >> trace, the terrifying moment that shooting broke out is captured on a doorbell security camera. you can hear 11 shots ring out, people running, screaming in terror. two cars moving quickly, a gun battle between those two cars. one of those shots killing 23-year-old jamaia harris, mother of a 5-year-old. two men charged with capital murder, right now held without bail. one of them, darius miles. he was on the university of alabama basketball team until now. he's charged with capital murder and police say it all started as a very innocent and minor

dispute. here is the captain of the police. >> that vehicle in addition to the driver contained a deceased female that had been shot. the driver reported that their vehicle had been shot into and that he had also returned fire and believed he may have struck a suspect. >> miles sobbed visibly during his perp walk, kicked off the basketball team, scrubbed from the university website and capital murder charges, he could be facing in alabama, the death penalty. >> steve, thank you. the public defender who recently represented bryan kohberger before his extraditions is opening up, describing the 28-year-old as calm, educated and no signs of mentally ill, why a judge has sealed the search warrants for his apartment claiming releasing them could put the officer's safety at risk, brian claypool, criminal defense attorney. the description, he's saying oh,

yeah, kohberger is calm, educated and shows no signs of mental illness. are you a lawyer psychiatrist, who is diagnosing this kid, what would you make that description? >> bad comment by the public defender, that usurps whether you can later make a claim diminished capacity or a mental health ailment, that was a bad move. if i can comment on this judge, this judge in pullman, washington, sealing the search warrant affidavit, can you smell some hometown small town cooking here? this county, by the way, 40,000 people in the whole county. if this crime had happened in another county that's larger or a city, this affidavit would be unsealed. it's important for the community to know what the evidence is and the two reasons they gave, oh, there's an imminent fear of harm, really? kohberger is in jail, and the other reason given is that they don't have access to the, or

they don't want to compromise the investigation. you have him behind bars. you have the evidence that was in the actual arrest warrant. why are they not disclosing that to the community and the public? >> trace: go you one better, the search warrants now under seal and why is there a gag order in this case? >> yeah, absolutely. by the way, gag orders are really hard to come by. they are very rare. and what are you trying to gag? you already have this guy behind bars, and you have to weigh that against the interest of the community, trace. i would not want to be living in this county not knowing what the evidence is that they have gathered against kohberger. >> trace: the judge who sealed the search warrant said the following, premature public disclosure of the details of this law enforcement investigation will create a serious and imminent threat to effective law enforcement. that's his explanation, it seems thin. >> a bunch of garbage, really. i don't mean to be

disrespectful. but we would be hearing what the evidence is. nobody is in fear of harm and not compromising the investigation because investigators have unfetterred access to everything. they have the mattresses, they have the computers in his apartment, they have evidence from his parents' home in pennsylvania. they have it all. the real reason why is they needed more time to test evidence and that's where the public defender blew it. they should have had a preliminary hearing in 14 days under the law because prosecutors would not have had the evidence ready to go. >> trace: the public defender also says the case is largely circumstantial and the evidence he previous can be attacked. your final thoughts on that. >> i don't call a sheath with dna evidence on the bed next to a death body circumstantial. that is direct evidence. >> trace: the evidence against him, the last very quickly, is very powerful in your estimation. >> yeah. the sheath, the footprint, but

more so than that, trace, you are going to have some kind of blood splatter in his vehicle, some kind of hair fiber in that vehicle, and you are going to have some blood evidence i think in his apartment so we will see more forensic direct evidence that will be forthcoming. >> trace: always great to have you on. the whole concept was the police said nothing, right, weeks and weeks the police said nothing and now the judge is saying ok, now let's take it a little further, we are going to seal some of this stuff and nobody can say anything and a lot of the media in that area are thinking what? doesn't make sense. >> sandra: it's just been -- it's been -- this has been tough, because then you have people very critical of how slow going this investigation was initially, only to now learn they knew a whole lot early on but could not reveal that. so patience is a big part of all of this, and we will keep watching where that all goes. horrific tragedy. trace, meanwhile, there was a major faa computer glitch.

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>> sandra: president biden continues to paint a rosy picture of the u.s. economy and he did so this morning. listen. >> coming down in america month after month, giving families some real breathing room. two years in, it's clear, clearer than ever that my economic plan is actually working. >> sandra: ok. but here is the reality. typical household spending 371 more dollars on goods and services in december than a year ago, according to moody's analytics, as a wall street journal survey shows half economists see a recession in the next 12 months. joining us on set, my favorite -- well, on set -- maybe not my favorite, robert wolf but you are here, and no way to dig out of that, but

brian, congrats on your show, we will all be tuning in. pop quiz. >> hard to committee with big money. >> sandra: pop quiz, do you, robert wolf, see the u.s. entering recession this year, if you don't believe we already entered one. >> i can't believe we are entering recession, jobs too straight. >> i think we will, a limping recession, but it's a problem, where are my wage gains, i'm not getting the breathing room that president biden is talking about here. >> sandra: fascinating that people even answered this question, what exactly is a soft landing, will the fed achieve a soft landing in 2023. about 25% said yes, so they are optimistic the fed can handle the task of taming inflation without driving us into recession. those that said no, over 75%.

so there are a lot of people, brian, anticipating what could be a pretty rough road ahead. >> and let's define soft landing. people say it's just not having recession but if the economy is growing at 0% or .1%, that's not soft for anyone, not soft for people whose wages are not growing as fast as inflation. nobody is talking about how sticky is the inflation going down going to be. i think inflation is going to be a problem at the end of this year just like it is at the beginning and even into 2024. that's not a soft landing. that's a rocky road. >> sandra: that's appear mystic. thank you for that, brian. robert. >> listen, the numbers coming in are good numbers, inflation peaked, it's coming down, we are still seeing job gains about 200 plus thousand, wages are doing better than in years past, so everything feels good, doesn't feel great, it feels good.

i would agree with brian, i'm still nervous about inflation. i think that the idea that the fed can get to their 2.5% is a real reach. >> sandra: sounds like a dream, sounds like a dream. >> my biggest concern is that they continue to raise rates but not high enough. i think they should be at 50 basis points, again, everyone is at 25, because of recent numbers. >> sandra: rein it in, short-term pain for long-term gain. >> i'm old school, i'm of the volker school, you take that plunge. >> sandra: you know if you reference the volker years, that means a lot of short-term pain on the american people and in terms of skyrocketing unemployment to bring those prices down. >> you have the hard core progressives screaming, warrens, the sanders, they want the rates down. they want to open up the spigots, and that's the problem here. >> i'm going to challenge that.

the loudest person about rates going up has been elon musk, is it's just not -- he's yelling and screaming about rates going up. so -- >> he doesn't have his hands on the lever of power in d.c. >> sandra: he's out there on a lot of issues. ok, in terms of the hardest sectors to tame when you are looking at inflation, i thought this was fascinating. those that believe it, 25% apparently, a survey of 71 economists, they say rent, pain for quite some time. healthcare will have a hard time, personal services, food industry, those ingredient prices, egg prices we were talking with our team, sky high, all-time high for egg prices. brian, that's going to be tough. >> food prices are insane and they are not getting better. why i think biden makes a huge mistake when he starts talking rosy about the economy. so many families are saying my number one thing is that, right

on the screen. it's not getting better, it feels like it's getting worse and i don't think it's going to get better in the year ahead. he's digging himself a hole by pretending we are not in an inflation hole on those issues. >> sandra: whenever he says, robert, my economic policies are working, i'm quoting him pretty much verbait, what policies does he attribute the situation we are in today, what is working. tapped the spr to bring fuel prices down. >> i could say a lot of things working. jobs are better than we expected, north of 200,000, inflation is coming down. the last category, services, right. saw a shift during covid, durable goods inflation, buying pelotons, computers, furniture. today we have a services inflation, all of those, except for food, the first three are all services. and so it's not surprising that we have services inflation, which is why i'm still skeptical

that inflation is going to subside. >> sandra: final pop quiz question, do you do the grocery shopping in your house, brian? >> no, but i hear about it. >> sandra: robert? >> i do some. where is a grocery store? >> if you ask me ordering in, i would be the high end of that. >> sandra: so you know what the tab is, at least. thanks to both of you. good to have you here. we'll be watching the big money show, launches january if, quickly approaching. you are like seven days away. >> very excited. >> trace: people hoping to unwind in the tropics wound up with one of the most stressful experiences of their lives. two packed jets at new york's jfk nearly crashing on the runway. radar animation, circled at the bottom, delta 737 ready to take off for the dominican republic, speeding more than 100 miles an hour when american airlines 777 crosses in fronts of it. the delta jet comes to a sudden

stop, jolted passengers inside. one passenger revealing he heard screams in the cabin on one of the planes as the pilot slammed the brakes, averting an almost certain catastrophe. with us now is brian heely, he was one of the passengers on delta flight 1943. brian, as you are going 105 miles per hour down the runway and the pilot puts on the brakes, what does that feel like? it has to throw people against the seats. >> it was more of a thrust, i would say everyone watching right now, wear your seatbelt, listen to the flight attendants, it came in handy. everyone's body, you know, followed the laws of physics and thrust forward from the torso. the whole incident took about five seconds at most. there was -- i use the word scream earlier, more like a gasp, audible reaction when the brakes first activated. there was a surge of adrenalin, certainly i felt one, and then

there was science. it was very silent for a couple of seconds, felt like a lot longer than that, and then a sense of relief as the plane came to a stop on the runway. i knew that it was going to be ok at that point in the split second before that, i didn't know what was going to happen and my body was reacting physically. >> sandra: people see and hear what happened and cannot imagine the fear through your body, your mind when you experience that. thanks for telling your story. at what point did you hear from the pilots? did they come on the loud speaker and let you know what happened, if so, what did they say? >> yes, so the plane immediately pulled off the runway and to a taxiway, probably five minutes, no more than ten, felt like two hours before the pilot came on and did report that the air traffic control had ordered the takeoff to be aborted because there was another aircraft in the runway, on the runway.

so the pilot did inform us of that. the phrase he used, he said i'm going to have to run some checklists, so please be patient. he was extraordinarily professional. the whole crew on the delta plane was remarkable, and i really tip my hat to their professionalism. you know, the atmosphere in the plane, we were on the taxiway almost an hour, did not know what was happening but very calm, very patient, very quiet. and i think -- at the time i was a little disappointed that the pilot was not sharing more with us but in retrospect, man, i'm glad he did not share more with us because i can only imagine what was going on in the cockpit and the fact he withheld information. >> trace: the problem, this was not just an oops. the greatest aviation disease back in 1977 killed 583 people. so it was not an ops. it could have been catastrophic.

>> it could have been catastrophic, yeah. the pilot made the right judgment control, air traffic control made the right control, it's human beings operating, hats off to d.c. and delta. >> happy to be here. >> sandra: trace, great to have you here today. i'm sandra >> martha: thanks, guys. good afternoon. i'm martha maccallum on this monday. a lot ahead on "the story." the former gubernatorial candidate lee zeldin reacts to the new details that we have today on this. take a look at this image. this is a hotel room that was given to migrants that came to new york to stay in. they're rejecting the food that has been given to them. reports of drinking and sex in the