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through the roof. >> since then, we've learned a lot about the screw-ups in the early days, and we knew from the start the official stats were like joe biden counting his grandchildren. the numbers didn't add up. but now we're seeing some people admit the truth as the media finally lets them speak the truth without banning them from twitter or worse get interviewed by joy reid. specifically doctors are now admitting how much hospitals overcounted the number of covid deaths and hospitalizations. it's the subject of the latest chap chapter of -- ♪ >> you've got to be kidding me. >> a "washington post" columnist acknowledged that we're overcounting covid deaths and

hospitalizations. that's a problem. >> greg: you think so? when did you reach this conclusion? when do you remember when? take almost three years to fess up, hell, you're worse than hunter denying the truth like it was a baby you made with a stripper. only this hottest headline could have been published in the spring of 2020, we could have approached it more sensibly. the only curve flattened was the gdp and we held kids so far back they have a reading level of an audience member of the view. >> that's quite a hole. >> greg: but because the experts inflamed fear through lies of exaggeration we always had to retreat back inside our homes in fear. just when we thought the pandemic would peak. no, it's not over, they would tell us as they went about their daily lives. it didn't affect them so it

could go on forever and ever. wen questioned the cdd's latest stats saying the u.s. is experiencing 400 covid deaths per day but wen cites a doctor who admits that, 90% of patients diagnosed with covid are actually in the hospital for some other illness. now, i'm no math wiz but 90%, sounds like a lot. so it could have been up to nine out of 10 covid patients weren't covid patients at all? but it's those numbers that the government used to justify relentless intrusion into you're public and even private lives. of course, we already had a suspicion that stuff was being exaggerated, right? but if you brought it up you were labeled a conspiracy theorist or worse, a fox news viewer. [laughter] >> greg: oh, man, those guys are crazy. if you thought joe rogen was right for saying exercise and diet would help, you were a fat shaming murderer.

that's the infuriating part, because now they tell us they were lying even as they mocked us for questioning their lies. you can't wonder what the real numbers would look like now if we went back through the data in all the hospitals nationwide and sub is tracted all these other patients. it could be a small portion of the population was the most vulnerable? that it was about the elderly, the infirmed and obese, and healthy young people were unnecessarily targeted. if we had been honest at the start we could have saved or at least protected those people sooner instead of andrew cuomoing them into the after life? i wonder if our nation's foremost covid expert could clear some of this up. what's the latest? >> there was alpha, delta, then omnicron next. ♪ ♪ ♪ another friend of covid-19

has arrived ♪ >> greg: the results are clear, musical propaganda won't save people from covid and when it comes to ratings it's a death sentence. trust me. but of course, such prop is for your own good, right? just like hospitals adding covid to patients' death certificates even if the virus played no role in how they died. as wen explains, gunshot victim or someone who had a heart attack could test virus for the positive but the infection has no bearing on why they sought medical care. in other words, it was more likely the exit wound, the size of a dinner plate, in their back, that sent them to the er. so they died with covid, not from covid, but they became part of the official count anyway. but if that's true, then chicago has to be the covid capital of the world. [applause] >> greg: if only the gunshot

victims had been wearing masks. [cheers] >> greg: let's welcome tonight's guest, she's like a laser, accurate, and once helped to remove hair from my back. anchor and executive editor of the story, martha mccallum. [applause] >> greg: he knows 101 uses for wd-40. fox news contributor johnny joey joe. [applause] >> greg: he looks better on a panel than an extra coat of varnish. "washington times" opinion editor charlie kirk. [applause] >> greg: and finally all the classified documents in ther hoe are restraining orders. cat. martha, martha, martha, i

understand when people lie it's always for our own good. isn't that what they say? you know what? we just want to elevate your fear so you do the right thing, doctors will tell you, you know. you should eat more bran or your butt will fall off. >> really. my doctor has never said that to me. >> greg: do you think intent matters if they are lying? >> i mean, it certainly appears there was an effort to scare people into behaving in a certain way because they weren't sure what was really causing it or how to stop it. so they just tried to scare everyone into certain behaviors, and it's interesting because in this same piece denmark says why didn't you guys figure this out? there is a big difference between dying with covid and from covid, and i love the gunshot wound example. it's like, you don't have to be a doctor to figure out that maybe the person died from the gunshot wound and not from covid, and then they put it in the covid column or even in both columns in some cases, and i did

a little math, which is always a little dangerous for me. >> greg: especially because you're a female. >> a sexist would say -- >> but basically, even if it's a third, right, of the number that we were told, it's down at like 330,000. that's .1% of the american population, and the american population -- the death rate for cancer is about twice that. >> greg: yes, it's crazy, huh? >> yes. it's really problematic, and i think that it really has put a huge dent in people's trust in believing people in authority. i can't imagine -- and there needs to be a little bit of, we really blew it. >> greg: a little bit of humility. come on, you guys lied to us, joey. if you dared question -- now the people that were mocked ended up being right but maybe they have moved on because they have lives. all this stuff divided our country as well.

>> listen, hunting season ended in my part of georgia on sunday. would you be surprised at the amount of deer that are about to die from covid in my backyard. [applause] >> thankfully, it tastes the same, no big deal. >> get the hydroxychloroquine. >> you want them to die. >> my 3-year-old daughter does not. she thinks i'm going to shoot them and the ambulance will show up and fix them. this is tough because we knew this already. all the normal people already knew this. we saw it happen in our lives. we had people in our lives that died and we saw this happen. there are certainly people that died for what seemed inexplicably from covid. we'll never take away from that or diminish but our government used that fact against us and that's what we need be focused on now. >> you know what it reminds me

of, charlie, it remind me of vietnam. >> i do not. >> greg: back then it was crazy tiles, charlie. but, we'll always debate the vietnam war. >> oh, yes. >> greg: and it went 30 or 40 years. i have a feeling that this is going to be treated like that kind of a war where you -- no one is ever -- history books aren't going to tell us the truth. >> because of the reckless politicalization of the whole thing. and, you know, when you look at these numbers it can't be surprising. the federal government always does. this i know cat loves to talk about. this they have no concept of consequence. and when you set up a system where a rural hospital is awarded a certain amount of money if they just check a box that says covid you can't blame them -- it's not like dishonest nurses. no, these are people, they want a healthy hospital that's thriving, that's helping their community. and if they can just check covid, they are going to check covid. and, but the really amazing

thing about it, and, you know, whenever we have a moment to look back, i think it's so important, and you did a good job with them, remembering. dr. wen, she was one of the worst of the wrong. >> all these experts. >> all of them. but she was one of the people who, she promoted the government to force vaccines. she said, she wrote a column where she said that people who are not vaccinated are worse than drunk drivers. >> yes. >> so while, i think it's great to applaud the fact that she finally sees the light, but let's not forget, she was wrong the entire time, and now it's so obvious, even stupid and or evil people like her now realize that it's indefensible. >> it's true. and it's not, not everybody is wrong. everybody is wrong, right? but it's like the people that were most wrong were the most stubborn about not admitting

they were wrong. >> it's ridiculous for so many reasons. they were wrong, and they would rather have, you know, see your business shut down, or your kids having learning loss, than admitting, i was wrong, in a situation where it's understandable to be wrong because, at first, we knew very little about this virus. and i'm not going to try to appeal to the government by saying, hey, right thing to do would be to admit it because i don't think they care. rather, i would say, it can help you sometimes to just admit that you're wrong. i do it all the time. >> no. >> yes, because sometimes someone is hammering you and if you're just, you're right, i really did not do a good job there, because -- >> greg: that's usually in a men's room. get away. >> i don't know what you mean by that. i was talking about when this thing came up, some of my behavior at a wedding a few years ago, and rather than defend myself i was like, yes, that was tough. and guess what? everybody stopped hammering about it because i was like, you're right. i really sucked that day.

try it. sometimes the way you can end an argument is by admitting that you messed up, but they refuse to do so, even when it couldn't be more obvious. >> greg: i think everybody knew, we would bring up the idea of overcounting, and it was -- >> they weren't wrong. they were lying. >> this is as bad as like the mask stuff in my opinion. it's like, we thought more people were dying and we changed our lives and it turned out -- >> i think they were lying to cover up the fact that they had been wrong. that we really did need -- sglsh and also now they are ready to move on. so that's why -- you know, by the way, you know, and even now, with this begun, they are like the numbers are very low, and obviously things have changed dramatically over the past several years, but i think it's clearly a sign that they are ready to move on. >> greg: anybody care to defend jimmy fallon? charles? >> he's desperate. you know -- >> greg: it was a good b-52's take. >> i don't know how much they pay you to do that but it's probably enough.

>> greg: $80 million. and i'm not bitter at all over that number. up next, joe's docudrama gets so intense even adam schiff is making sense. >> i would like to thank our sponsor -- only pay for what you need. jingle: liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ icy hot pro starts working instantly. with two max-strength pain relievers.

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>> biden miss handled more papers and it's given democrats the vapors. so could documents be the last straw for america's senile grandpa? following the white house admission that more classified documents were found at president biden's delaware home, it seems even fellow dems admit it's worth a thorough investigation, right? and that includes adam schiff, a guy normally less interested in the truth than madonna's plastic surgeon. so does he think appointing a special counsel was the right

move? >> i do think it's the right move. >> is it possible that national security was jeopardized? >> i don't think we can exclude the possibility without knowing more of the facts. we have asked for an assessment. i think we ought to get the same assessment to the doubts as at the mar largo documents. >> greg: holy crap. did our least favorite martian say biden should be treated like trump? would that make opporhunter jea. now people are turning on joe. >> classified documents are to be taken seriously and they are to be handled with a great deal of care. nobody is above the law. >> by stumbling and bumbling around, by not getting the timeline right, unknown number of documents found in biden -- no, no more unknown.

amateur hour is over and they just mishandled it from day one, because again, i'm only saying it because it's true. >> greg: only saying it because it's true, excellent reasoning. beavis. i keep switching them up. morning joe should spring for some name tags. finally, jim acosta accusing the republicans of doing exactly what the democrats have been doing since the big bang. >> the argument seems to be biden is both not mentally fit to hold office and yet he's supposed to be this, in the minds of some republicans, this criminal mastermind who is holding on to these documents for some nefarious reason. does that make any sense? >> greg: you used to say the same damn thing about trump, you jack ass.

fun facts. [applause] fun fact, did you just say kayleigh mcenany to jim, he wets himself. what does joe think of all this? >> no, you can't commit a crime if you don't know that you're committing a crime. i don't even know -- i know there is a box in my garage but i keep my garage locked. and i wouldn't even know how -- there is a button. you push a button but the button is in the car and the car is in the garage so how is anyone going to get in there? come on, man. no, it's martin luther king day, so could you please let me get back to calling everyone who doesn't agree with me a racist. thank you. [laughter] [applause] >> greg: charlie -- i'm sorry, when adam schiff changes his tune, that fast, something is up. i smell something. >> yes. >> greg: what do i smell, charlie?

>> i don't have any evidence for this but this is my theory since we're talking about the president. let's go with it. the f.b.i. is already investigating hunter biden. at some point, imagine the stuff, you know, think about all the stuff we've already seen about. could you imagine if you had like search warrants, and you had investigative powers. imagine the stuff the f.b.i. is probably digging up about hunter biden now. wall of his connections. i really believe at some point and it's happened in the last couple of weeks, since the election, they all got together, and we now know how deeply invested the intel community is, in our politics, they looked at one another and said, man, this is not good. we can't -- >> greg: get him out. >> we can't stick up for this guy. we can't cover for this guy in the next election like we did in the last election. and, i mean, i have never seen rats jumping ship like this. >> greg: this is crazy, cat. i thought this would be treated like everything else but it

seems like it's not. are the walls closing in? >> i'm going to try to put this like gently and kindly, which is sometimes tough for me. i just don't -- of course, they would be doing this because why are they going to go out of their way to protect joe biden, because, you know, they are worried, oh, this is such a shame that this is happening, it's going to cut short what would be a long, promising political career? he's been in poll six just about the amount of time that the united states has been a country. >> right. >> i did math, too. that's actually a fact. so, i mean, regardless of whether they decide to hitch themselves to this wagon or not, wagon is not going much further. so i think it's one of the easiest things in the world for them to do, to say, yes, this is bad, because, i mean, he's really old. he doesn't seem to be up to the task of being president, nor has he been the entire time.

[applause] >> i don't know, it's the opposite of jumping on a bandwagon. you're right. this is terrible, because there is no good that can come from staying by his side. >> greg: i used this analogy before, joey, all of a sudden the popular kid in school has done something really embarrassing, and everybody just lets him suffer alone. in isolation. >> i got punched in the face by a girl in the bleachers one time and i was not popular for a couple of weeks after that. as a matter of fact, i might not have ever been popular to begin with. i don't remember. blocked that part out. listen, jim acosta, nobody thinks this dude is a criminal mastermind. we think he's an idiot. so much of an idiot that he takes care of his crack head son. as a matter of fact, he's admitted -- [ bleep ] -- he stood in front of us and told us he made a deal with a ukrainian to get an investigator out of office. we're all just sitting here twirling our thumbs in amace.

that people like jim acosta just don't care because anything is better than trump in their religion and they are coming, you know, as my mamma would say, jesus is coming back, like it's reckoning. it's time to think about what you've been worshipping this whole time. >> greg: martha, jesus is coming back. >> what i take away from this turn of events that you guys are all talking about is, this might be really bad if we need it to be. so, we're going to keep this, you know, all the supporters of the president, and we're going to keep this on the burner because if we need this, we're going to employ this exit strategy, right? so they are happy because now they have an exit strategy, and you can kind of trace the ups and downs of the biden favorability, right? because before he ran, or when he was running, they liked everybody but him. david axelrod came out and said he was mr. mcgoo wondering around the stage. he has no idea where he is and he shouldn't be doing this. something to that effect.

then after the midterms he's like superman, right? and now, all of a sudden he's going to run again. after everyone said there is no way he's going to run again. so now, all the way down, right? so i think we have a few more of these cycles to go before 2024 but as you were saying, we were talking about this at the break, if they don't have somebody else to be their 2024 candidate, they probably will find a way to rally back around to joe if they think he's the only one who can do it. >> greg: just got to pump him full of drugs. >> it works. his performance the day after the election was one of the great wonders of modern american medicine. [laughter] >> greg: i want what he's having. all right. up next, the freest state in the nation calls out nhl discrimination. and my type 2 diabetes means i'm also a target. we are targets too. millions have chronic kidney disease

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>> greg: when hockey runs amok,

ron desantis says what the puck. so with the nhl's phonies get run over by the samboni. the florida panthers is demanding answers. not afraid. not afraid at all. on friday, governor ron desantis called out the national hockey league's planned career event in the free state of florida, for being discriminatory. it's scheduled to take place next month. the nhl's pathway to hockey summit was initially only offered to diverse job seekers which meant identifying as female, black, asian, hispanic, indigenous, lgbt or others -- [laughter] >> greg: also plus or disabled, they even threw in veteran for good measure. so if you're a one legged native

american transwoman, you're in luck. congrats. skates in circles with penis tucked. that's the name. thank you. [applause] i'll take it. basically they welcomed everyone except one obvious group but desantis wasn't having it and after he condemned the prejudicial policy the nhl backtracked which is hard to do on ice skates, martha, said the event was open to everyone and they were merely trying to reach people who may not know about jobs in hockey. yes, sure, it was all a big misunderstanding. what do i know about hockey? i thought face-off meant the lass thing nancy pelosi does every night. that was too easy, joey. you know what i noticed? i think desantis is like the reigning king of taking free money off the table. he sees these opportunities,

like getting free money means that you can win without ever a possibility of losing. so it's like he sees this, does it, he wins. >> teed up nicely. to do this in florida, there is not a lot of self-awareness but to do this in general is not a lot of self-awareness. when you talk about the existence of oppression, think about this. all these people of different groups that are not straight, white men making all of this money off the teeth of straight white men, on ice, i mean, cold soccer is not an easy sport and they will absolutely fight legally, but i tell you what, all of us, you know, straight white red necks down below the mason dixon line don't know much about hockey. you might want to pander to us a little bit. we've got purchasing power. we'll put the chain saw in the pawnshop to go buy tickets to a sporting event. if you don't believe me, the bulldogs just won a championship. we love our sports. let us know about it. atlanta sold its team before i was an adult.

>> you want to see fights on ice, get some southern boys down there. >> i'm just saying. >> there is a whole new league that just caters to fighting on ice. they don't even have the games anymore. it's amazing. i think we did it. am i dreaming this? i'm doing a show right now, right? martha, i was on the five earlier. you might be familiar with that show. a little show at 5:00. kind of my warm-up. i said that they should -- if they believe this they should welcome it to the actual sport itself. have diversity hiring in hockey. they would never do that because that would be impossible. it would be like asking me to play in the nba, which they have but i declined. >> the image that was used in that, just this whole line of white hockey players and they are talking about this diversity effort. a, i was a little bit surprised. you would think there would be a lot of people who would like to

want in the nhl, nfl, those jobs are usually pretty hard to get and they have these hr people who have to apply any time they are putting anything on a website but yes, it's definitely low hanging fruit for desantis. one of his folks definitely looks at this and goes, i've got one for you today, boss, we're going to roll this off. but, you know, i mean, hockey is a fantastic sport. it really is -- i was listening to king this morning, she said we were raised to think we were all one human race. i can't figure out why that's such a difficult concept. whether you're hiring people or inviting people to something, or whatever it is, you really don't have to qualify who you would like to come. i thought it was particularly insulting at the end, they say, oh, we also encourage veterans. >> you've got to get them out of the homeless encampment first. >> greg: cat, this is pretty

funny, it's like the nfl did not notice what happened with disney, and i'm posited this theory, that people did not know this was a law. like you're not allowed to do this and you're trying to explain to it somebody who just got out of college. wait a minute, you can't say i only want black people? >> they think that's the law. >> the best part was their backtrack they don't even believe in. they just deleted the post and said what we meant to say is to make other people aware of hockey. if that was true they wouldn't have deleted it, they would have edited it to be like that but what would that even look like? like hello, ladies. black people, and transpeople, in wheelchairs, ever hear of hockey? we didn't think so. [laughter] [applause] but if you can wheel yourself on over here, why don't you see what it could be like to work for us.

that's even worse. >> greg: we'll even change the bathrooms for you. it's funny, we should start doing that. like teaching, we have these diversity programs, charlie, where we learn about other cultures. maybe we should return the favor. pay it forward, and teach them about hockey. right? >> so i completely misread the story. partly because i misread the stories. i thought this was a recruitment for players and i was like, this is going to be really entertaining. i might -- >> greg: it should be recruitment. >> but your point about desantis taking free money off the table. the only person who has learned from donald trump that to keep it in your parlance, the guy that gives the least number of pucks wins, and desantis gives no puck about anything. he's just like, you know what? i'm going over there, i'm not

stopping. i don't care. and it's a great lesson for our american military, which is, you sign up, and you sign up to giver up your life for something, you're like, okay, stop me now. and, nothing will stop them. >> i thought that was a really clever hockey analogy. you can say -- it on the show, they will bleep it up. >> coming up, are you a fan of bill walton's homeless plan? on top of the worlddddd!!! before advil. advil targets pain at the source of inflammation. when pain comes for you, come back fast with advil liqui-gels. ♪ well, the stock is bubbling in the pot ♪ ♪ just till they taste what we've got ♪ [ tires squeal, crash ] when owning a small business gets real, progressive gets you right back to living the dream. now, where were we? [ cheering ] could be a sign that your digestive system isn't at its best. but a little metamucil everyday can help.

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>> greg: a former nba champ is proposing a homeless camp. basketball hall of famer bill walton coauthored a piece in the times of san diego about how homelessness is out of control. i guess walton is sick of stepping in poop. he wrote with it a man who is spearheading to move them to a 2,000 aircraft plot on a marine corps air station myanmar. it's called sun break ranch, not to be confused with wind break

ranch. an environmentally conscious community powered by mexican food. this encampment would have toilets, thank god, portable showers, how long will that last, mental health services, drug rehab, vocational trainers, and a permanent 24-hour public police station to make sure everyone stays safe. all that's missing the cotton candy machine. but it's far from a done deal. walton says they need the president and federal government to lease the land to sun break ranch for a dollar a year and designate it a temporary emergency homeless help zone but how much would this all cost you, you ask? "the cost of the sun break experiment is minimal compared to the untold tens of billions of dollars currently being spent to no avail on homelessness annually. still, the plans for the ranch say it's to let people live with dignity before they are converted into easily digestible

soil and green. the website wasn't supposed to say that. how did that get into the press release. kat, i love this idea, been talking about it for a while. there are people who choose to live a certain way and we should let them live a certain way but not among us. meaning, if you want to be homeless you don't live among the homed. [laughter] kat? [applause] >> greg: i'm saying that with the pre-ample of people who are mentally ill need to be institutionalized, people with problems need hope but the people i see and the people that you see, they ain't interested in your help. they are interested in your money for drugs. >> yes, i think that this won't work, though. >> greg: why? >> because of one line they put in there, the way they would do it would eliminate red tape which to all of us sounds really good but the government knows that means eliminating a lot of

them. >> greg: that's true. >> red tape is a good thing for the government. eliminate red tape, then we're all out of a job. there are so many things that we could do that are different than the way we're doing things now but it's all tied up in so much bureaucracy. >> greg: it is a drift right now and that's the point they are making, martha, we spent, i don't know, $800 million on a homeless program and nobody knows where that money went in new york city. disappeared with the mayor's wife. >> basically built a tent city in new york, and then eric adams, the mayor, just recently took the whole thing down and now they have been moved into hotels, in the city, that cost $500 per night when they weren't being used for that purpose, and they are trashed. >> greg: yes. >> there are corona bottles all over the place. people complaining at work there, there is just complete chaos. i don't understand this. i don't understand -- the situation isn't, let's keep finding somewhere to put everyone. this is an immigrant situation,

i should safe, that's going on in new york, and not necessarily a homeless situation that's going on in new york but figuring out a place to put everyone who is homeless is not the solution. the solution is to figure out how to get people not to be homeless anymore. i think there are nine to 10 million jobs open in america. every place you go has a help wanted sign. there has to be a productive program that says, you can stay here for a few months and after that you have to get a job or we'll move you into a job. sometimes for homeless people they don't have the right idea, they don't have an address to say this is my address on the application. so you have to provide all of the means to get people out of being homeless. >> i disagree with everything that you said. [laughter] >> everything, and it's so hard because i love you, martha. >> you won't people to stay homeless. >> no, the people who are homeless prefer to stay homeless. >> that's right. >> no matter how you help them. they will screw you over. again, the preamble of not the mentally ill and the people who are truly sick and down on their

luck, i'm talking about the europe, healthy people that are out there, that are unscrupulous. >> living over a subway, then. because they love to do drugs. >> they love to do drugs. >> you have to go back to the old way where the police would come by, sorry -- you can't sleep there. you can't sleep there. >> and where do they go? they usually put them in a bus to another city but in this case they sende them to the tent city named after gutfeld. >> i will be mayor of the city, martha. >> martha? >> people went to paris island, and suffered through san fleas and smoky bear hats and pushups and jumping jacks, obviously, i was an overachiever, let me tell you about this a homeless encamp. , let's put it on the marine base. it's an easier transition, you check out the marine corps, go over to the homeless encampment.

that's what we do. we have all of this recruiting going on. do you want to sign up to run the px for the homeless camp? you watch people come in, steal it. this is so irresponsible for, i don't know what an nba legend gets paid but i bet it's a lot. >> you think this is a bad idea? >> i think it's a terrible idea. >> what's your solution for the homeless, joey? >> i don't need to have a solution for the homeless. i'm advocating for the marine corps. >> i don't think these people are going to listen to you about the marine corps. >> i being very specific about this topic. whoever this nba legend is, i want to know how many people that are homeless in his backyard. >> that's what got him to go, he's a lifelong lover of san diego. he got attacked on a bike. >> the money was wasted on him. >> too many of these people who don't like hard drugs don't face

consequences. it's not a de home problem. the fact that we went willing to make those decisions, i love the idea of a camp as long as it's a prison and it's where they go and they stay. >> this is the thing. i think that we have to come to this conclusion, that you can't have homelessness and homed people living together. it's not working. so the first thing you have to do is separate. >> the first thing you can do is enforce the law. it's against the law to go to the bathroom on the sidewalk. you should be rounded up and put some place where you can go to the bathroom not on the sidewalk. >> big giant bathroom. >> greg: we've got to go. we've spent way too much on this topic. the sculpture is -- did it have to be so phallic? with voya, considering all your financial choices together...

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coretta scott king's cousin says it looks like external genitalia. what say you? >> i think we can't count on people to understand the abstract nature of this. i think we need to be a little bit more direct. it's based on a very beautiful photograph of martin luther king and coretta scott king after he found out he had won the nobel prize. it's just -- >> greg: it's for the artist. abstract art is always for the artist, charlie. am i right? >> totally. i was so amazed by that g-rated opening. i'm really impressed with you. you know, like when you look at that, the technical expertise in her hands, it's beautifully done. but the end result is, like you say, what is this? and you're talking about, at a time in this country, where we're tearing down statues to heroes, you have a crew hero, who is like, like on par with george washington in america.

everybody loves martin luther king. people fight over who is more in the vein of martin luther king, and a headless weird -- the hands -- >> it's such a good point. living statues and now we make won without a face. >> you don't know what it is. >> the same with martin luther king boulevard. kat -- >> i don't know what you guys are talking about. i look at that and i say, wow what a beautiful image of dr. king hugging his wife coretta. >> without his head. >> i don't see how it's ambiguous at all. >> you were a heart history major. >> you don't have to be an art history major, it's quite clear. >> i don't know what to say, joey except get the last word. >> yes, very first angle that you showed was the first thing that i saw an i saw something completely different. i'll be honest, once it was explained to me i kind of like the first thought better. i respected the audacity of it.

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>> greg: we're out of time. thank you, martha mccullum. love you, martha. *** >> good evening, everyone. i'm trace gallagher from los angeles. >> and breaking tonight, a san francisco panel studying reparations has proposed a one time payment of $5 million to every black residents of the city over the age of 18. so where is the money coming from? i'll give you one guess. the lapd i