always look for the grown in idaho seal. ♪ ♪ >> hello, everyone. this is "outnumbered." i am emily compagno with harris faulkner and joining us today, cheryl casone, amy friede, and for the first time jeremy hunt. welcome. we are so grateful to have you. we began with a growing backlash. the president is facing over his handling over the nation's secrets after classified documents were found at his former office and in his delaware home and garage.

where he keeps his corvette. the discoveries are raising questions on why the president's lawyers conducted a search instead of the feds and why there are no visitor logs of the president's home where he has reportedly spent 167 days of his presidency. the white house and secret service are saying there are no such records. today's "new york post" calling this playing bite and seek. the present may be losing even the mainstream media. watch. >> it's very, very big, not legally but politically it's a very, very big deal. i don't sitting there hunkering down now, acting like it's not out there, is a good strategy. they are going -- >> if you are explaining, you are losing. they are trying to slain the difference and we know there is a difference but as we say to most folks at home, this guy did wrong, this guy did wrong. >> what happened with these classified documents erodes and undermines not just the momentum but the brand the democrats have

been building up being not only the competent party but the decent, honest party. >> by stumbling and bumbling around, by not getting their timeline right, amateur hour is over. >> emily: answers coming out of the white house are doing little to convince house republicans who demand to know who had access to the president's home over all those years. congressman jim jordan told harris last hour and there are a lot of unanswered questions. >> i don't know why they initially discovered this, why they went looking, why the lawyers were packing boxes, all kinds of questions. i think the american people are entitled to the answers to those questions particular in light of what happened 91 days before the midterm election president trump's home was raided. that was information the country had all kinds of access to but not this. i think all those questions. our committee and others, the intel committee are trying to get answers for the american people. >> emily: jeremy, again,

welcome to you. you say this is like day 1 of basic training for intelligence operations. tell us why. >> jeremy: it's amazing. i think some people at home are thinking it's normal, these kinds of things just happen. no, they do not. as a former military intelligence officer in basic training we have online courses and there's these scenarios where you have a coworker who walks out with classified folder and says what should i do with these documents? the user is presented with a few options. one is return the documents of the classified area or another one is i'll just take them home. i've always felt, who would actually be silly enough to select, i'll just take them home with me. apparently joe biden. >> emily: you have your answer now and it's the commander-in-chief unfortunately. what do you foresee of consequences if any? >> jeremy: unfortunately these kinds of scenarios when you have someone who is now the president of the united states, i don't see a lot of consequences. all we can do is ask those tough questions and hold power to account. i can tell you have for a lot of

soldiers, there was a sailor recently, this was in 2016, who took pictures of classified area of a submarine and sent to his family. he was put in prison for over a year. those are the stakes. i hope we treat this seriously because it is a real problem. >> emily: harris, you always do such a good job of eliciting all of these questions including last hour with jim jordan and the like. the questions, in addition to how disorganized is everything and what exactly was there and that junk pile, nuclear codes? simple passcodes? what do the american people, what was actually threatened? what still remains to be threatened and why was there such a double standard? as jeremy talks about potential for consequences and accountability, you can't help but wonder and compare the mar-a-lago situation to this. there was an fbi raid, constant skewering in the media. why are attorneys allowed to do with the government should be

doing. why are our tax dollars being spent so differently and the stewardship of her trust be in heralded so differently. >> harris: not being honest about what the threats were to national security. november 2nd. chairman of the judiciary jim jordan asks a very good origin question and we know democrats maybe when it comes to covid and other things don't want to know the origins. we have to break that habit. we need to know how things started. who made the call before november to that private attorneys were going to be there to collect the presidents papers? who made the call that it might take more than 24 hours to let federal authorities of the national archives or whomever know that those papers have been gathered. it was either the third or the 4th of november that you hear back and forth. it wasn't the second, when they were found. who made the call later in december when they found documents at a second location?

the president's home here he says oh, right next to the corvette. thank you. we have pictures of the inside of the garage. we are not going to guess whether or not that big pile of papers in the back is that. we hope and pray it isn't. among those first papers at the biden center, among those papers were foreign intelligence materials having to do with iran, china, ukraine, right? which to impose our enemies? only the wrong answers count. when you tell me that you were a military intelligence officer, the reason that you would get in more trouble than the president is because you cannot declassify documents. news. neither could a vice president in biden? if i am obama today, i'm wondering, if i wasn't complacent and already rolled in a didn't know that he took these things possibly to write a book, who knows. is madonna -- skexcuse me, former

president obama being asked about these things? sorry, madonna. he could have declassified these. his name deserves to be mentioned. >> emily: that's a good point that harris brought up. it begs the question, the timeline. his personal attorneys have access to all of these documents at a minimum from november 2 to january 11, that's a whole lot of time to touch a lot of things and it's worrisome especially when, as jeremy brings up, potential for accountability. this administration says we cooperated immediately. what does it look like behind close doors? harris brought up the transition between obama and biden moving out. the administration has defended as chaotic. it's not a defense to the gross mishandling of documents. one of the first days, this is before secret service moved in. this is what his delaware residents look like in april of 2019.

there is no security. there is no secret service. it's clearly a nonsecure location, as the attorney general has confirmed but that just goes to show the openness of what you say is the most troublesome which is that it's his personal residence. >> his personal residence, no visitor logs. hunter biden was living in that house. i don't know if he was working on the corvette or lord knows what he was doing but he was there so you've got classified documents. hunter biden in the home and we know he's been accused of obviously business dealings with china. business dealings with the ukraine, using his father's name to further himself. troubled at the time. clean and sober now. let's give him that. that bothers me first and foremost. also the hypocrisy of homeless and jim jordan mentioned it to you in the last hour. kevin mccarthy has mentioned this. full throttle after donald trump. but now with the mainstream media, they are giving biden, if you will, little bit of a past.

i think that's unfair. with karine jean-pierre wants to sit there and defend the white house, she spent gaslighting reporters. not peter doocy but she's been gaslighting other reporters. it needs to be examined and it's unfortunate. >> we are going to see some media stepping up. anybody that's a real journalist will take a look and say there are questions that need to be answered. so if you're having to start explaining, even just a little bit, that means that you're under the hot seat and i think we are going to see some journalists who have given so much liberal space to the president. they are going to put him under the gun and say come explain some of these things. i do not believe that this can go completely unanswered for even the president on this scenario because there are so many questions that are out there and so many facts that are open that have to be addressed. >> emily: don lemon said you are losing if you are explaining. if you have lost don lemon, it's an indicator you've lost a lot of people. >> harris: a few weeks that

the president was starting his victory lap after the midterm elections. he started off with some comments today, i understand he was with the prime minister of the netherlands. questions being shouted at him, he ignored them all. i don't think that the posture of ignoring is going to work. >> emily: as we talk about the mainstream media potentially getting on board now perhaps it's because they have realized that in this scenario, every american regardless of party's who the loser is here when national security is at stake. coming up, shocking new video from the border shows texas authorities apprehending human smugglers on american soil. that's next eady for every momen, with glucerna. it's the number one doctor recommended brand that is scientifically designed to help manage your blood sugar. live every moment. glucerna. next on behind the series... let me tell you about the greatest roster ever assembled. the monster, the outlaw... and you can't forget about the boss.

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>> harris: now to the biden border crisis. sources at customs and border

protection are telling fox news border agents encountered more than 250,000 people, people trying to gain access to legally outside the checkpoints. the highest month in history, the highest month in the history of us as a sovereign nation. we are also told there were 65,000 known got-aways. they don't know who they were. they saw them on the cameras at night. i've stood there. you can barely tell what they look like but you know somebody got and who wasn't supposed to be here. that's what they mean. fox has obtained exclusive footage of texas authorities nabbing smugglers in the del rio sector where they are inundated and that sort of thing happens a lot. this is after leaving troopers on high-speed pursuits, including 15 illegal immigrants discovered in vehicles attached to a car hauler. it's not just a spike in human struggling as we know. last week authorities confiscated nearly a million fentanyl pills.

you would think this would be the job of the nation's border czar, vice president kamala harris. no. it is "the daily caller" points out, vice president harris has been largely absent from any public discussions on immigration since last june. instead, the vp has put more attention on abortion rights, diplomacy, and diversity events. those are political type things. and you say what? >> jeremy: first off, we have to look at the chain of custody right now that's happening at the border. we have drugs that are manufactured in china brought a cross over to mexico. we have the cartels bringing them across the border and they are literally attacking our kids. this is a serious thing. i know vice president harris of the biden administration, they want to downplay this. this is actually a major crisis not only for the border but for nations youth. they think oh, i'm just going to have a little weed. and they find that it's laced

with fentanyl. so they are overdosing. it's extremely disheartening. we need leaders right now to stop, show up at the border and say we are going to get a hold of this problem. >> how do we know that the got-aways are not members of the cartels that are pushing those things? so many people are coming over without any sort of identification whatsoever and we don't have a record of it. >> harris: here's what's interesting, they do have ids. they pick up many of them, temporary ids in the countries they are going through so they can stay in those countries for long enough to access the bo border. they were waiting for title 42. they had encampments on the other side of the southern border. and then when they get to our country, they dump those fake ids and they become nobodies. i am certain that the information on there isn't probably categorically them anyway but you can pick up -- i have a couple of those ids in my office just to show what happens when they leave it behind. you've got to clean them because

there is stuff everywhere, if you get the picture. >> emily: that goes to show the level of sophistication and structure behind this. it's not as simple, struggling across the border for a better way of life narrative that the left likes to push. the reality is it's being supported by the narco cartels that are absolutely running that country and the situation. human smuggling is the second-largest global illicit industry second to drugs in the cartels have a handle on both. you think they're going to willingly give up a lost part of their income? absolutely not. they will fight tooth and nail and to the death for any type of loss dollar. you mention the impact and her kids. why this is such a travesty, and includes food production. yuma is responsible for 90% of our entire nations iceberg lettuce production. they provide the majority of dark greens during the winter. one farmer lost 100 grand in a week's time because the migrants are traipsing through it and he can't protect against pathogens.

our regulations required. they are hemorrhaging money and they are hemorrhaging our nations food supply. >> this has been going on for decades. i grew up in arizona and texas, border states. for so much of my lifetime, this was never talked about. the ill effects of illegal immigration across our southern border has been effecting and destroying communities for decades. now we are finally having this conversation. sadly the numbers are much larger than they ever were, the fentanyl crisis was not there when i was growing up obviously. i will say there are some people still crossing the border today that are looking for a better life that are trying to escape some very nasty situations in particular in some of the central american countries. but the big winners here, the cartels. a multibillion-dollar business and no longer do i think the elites in los angeles and new york, i'm sorry, i live here too, in d.c., you can no longer turn your nose and a blind eye away from this crisis and say not my problem. it is everybody's problem.

>> harris: we are at a point where food is so high in this country. anything that would take a punch at the nation supply of anything we need is cruel. >> it is a gut punch to the farmers once again. we are dealing with throughout in arizona, so many farmers that are struggling. if you are not dealing with drought, they are dealing with flooded outcrops. in california with all the rain that's come in, they are not able to cede a lot of crops. put that against a border farmer having to put money into protecting his field, how it translates is to everyone of us paying more in the grocery store because when the farmer has to be more in order to get the crop to the grocery store, because all of us money. not to mention the bio hazards that can come into play with something like lettuce. >> harris: wow. the los angeles police department is going, blasted by nearly 10,000 of their own cops for political pandering after it banned the thin blue line flag from station lobbies filing a

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>> emily: significant and disturbing increase in gun related law enforcement deaths last year. firearm-related fatalities claimed the lives of 64 police officers, contributing to a roughly 21% increase from the average of 53 per year from the previous decade. the top two causes of firearm deaths: ambushing police officers in handling domestic violence calls. according to data from the national law enforcement memorial fund. that's exactly how to officers lost their lives last year in connecticut. police say the sergeant and the officer and another officer were responding to a domestic violence call and it turns out the call was to lure the officers to the home. the gunmen shot and killed two. and the other was shot and injured. the gun and fired 80 rounds at

police before he was shot and killed. this was the 911 call that night. >> shots fired, shots fired. more cars. send everyone. >> officer shot. >> emily: that's what our nations police officers potentially face every day on the jobs when the l.a.p.d. decided last week to ban the thin blue line flag that honors phone officers, it sparked outrage. l.a.p.d. says the reason is because it "represents racist and bigoted views." harris, i would like to cover what specifically the police chief said. he defended by saying, defending the ban, saying the thin blue line flag has been hijacked by extremists he was. he says it symbolizes support for violent views and those represented by others. why don't we take it back then? ronnie is the police chief capitulating to a tiny faction that has hijacked a flag that te rest of us means wholehearted,

unwavering support for those who have sacrificed their lives. how can he capitulate? >> harris: politics is a drug and he is flexing woke. he obviously believes that by doing this he solves the problem of having to deal with the rhetoric that puts his men and women in harm's way and at the same time balance out as a true leader finding those among you who may not be doing their jobs well. that's why they call it leadership. it isn't enjoining a ban. it sounds like, smells like and possibly is just a relegation of his duty. he doesn't want to lead. you don't just cancel. i mean, it's like he is suddenly 16. that's kind of their vibe, right? let's just cancel. i live with a 16-year-old. mom, i don't like this. i'm just going to -- did you hear what the cop in

that situation was yelling? "send everybody." send everybody. we are under attack. send everybody. you were in the military. he meant that. >> jeremy: what's sad is that a lot of times they don't have support so now we have a police chief who is too busy trying to take down flags instead of looking to make sure we are recruiting more cops, making sure we have adequate funding, competitive salaries and so they have the resources to do with a need to do. but instead we are going on these pop culture type of crusades. get rid of the flag. it's all symbolic. look, a lot of people dealing with high crime rates. they don't care about symbolism. they want safe streets. so that's really what should be the priority. seeing. senior vice president for the national order of police. he painted the picture of the landscape and why exactly it has led to this. he said it's difficult to express the level of utter disgust and disappointment with the chiefs politically pandering

directive to remove the thin blue line flags and memorials to fallen officers. he said this came as a result from anti-police criminal apologists and actors who hold too much sway over our city leaders and unfortunately our chief. amy, that is the climate that has not only lead to a rise in ambush and death by suicide. all things that inflict on police officers every day. the fact of the police chiefs don't even have their backs, how as americans are we supposed to show our support? what other symbol is there to honor those officers who've died in fallen in the line of duty? >> amy: the symbol that you talk about, it means something. it means something to the people who lost officers but you go back nine years to de to the dee shot down in brooklyn, the nine year anniversary. you know what his wife left behind? she has been in brooklyn doing police relations, taking things for children, taking things into

neighborhoods to make those relationships better. hshe hasn't been sitting on the sidelines. to her, the thin blue line means more than the loss of life for her husband. it means i want this to not happen again. so we're going to say that symbol robs us all wrong? >> cheryl: there are solutions to this. we have seen a change in new york city. since eric adams became the mayor. i'm not saying he's the most wonderful mirror in the world but he did decide let's give these police officers the funeral. i cannot believe midtown manhattan when that funeral was happening for this fallen officers. the amount of blue that came out in the city. i didn't grow up in new york city. i didn't see that growing up in texas and arizona. there is a way to change i think, boost the morale, things that mayors can do, politicians can do to honor what is such a difficult job. >> emily: i think you're being over generous right now and i'm grateful for you saying that and

i have to say the detective rafael raymo's foundation, it's important that those foundations exist and were born out of such tragedy. this is the police chief. a mayor wants to come out and show support and show the thin blue line absolutely. i expect that as a minimum. my mayor better do that regardless of political party but a police chief to ban this? out of the other side of his mouth say he dares to honor those who are falling. i'm so glad i don't live in california anymore. it breaks my heart for every officer that has is hereunder that police chiefs a lot. that is absolutely on acceptable. there's no reason for that whatsoever. coming up, the high school merit award scandal is getting worse. we are learning that at least 13 schools in virginia held back the awards to avoid hurt feelings all in the name ofec equityh:.tr that's next. exactly when we'll be there. >> woman: i have a few more minutes. let's go! >> tech vo: that's service that fits your schedule. go to safelite.com. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪

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three districts withheld merit awards from top students all in the name of equity. the controversy first erupted when parents accused officials at thomas jefferson high school for science and technology in fairfax county of holding back notifications until after the college application cycle. so if you got a marriage, nobody knew. they couldn't even help you. they said it was going to even the playing field and avoid hurting people's feelings who weren't advancing as much. in some cases parents say the notifications never arrived at all. the district initially called it a "one-time human error." now we know that simply not the case. governor youngkin is going after the district saying "they have a maniacal focus on equal outcomes for all students at all costs." meanwhile virginia's attorney general says no child should be subjected to such treatment. >> we want is we want to demand excellence. we want our students to not have

this quote war on merit." what we have seen is what i call woke racism, reverse discrimination against the wrong groups and those individuals' minds we want to make sure that in this country everybody has an equal playing field and everybody can achieve their dreams and we certainly don't want anybody to help back because of who they are in their ethnic background. >> harris: oh, my goodness, that is like the definition of who we are as a country. who is trying to break it? your little ones are young, they are not in school yet but i love talking to the parents of the people of the future. >> jeremy: i have a 3-year-old who's watching. named kinsley. even when she's playing her game, i'm like hey, if you don't do it right, and you lose, you lost. we are going try again. i'm not going to teach that overcoming just keep trying and then you always g get a trophy r always win. we have to teach kids achievement is something you have to work hard to get the results that you want.

that's what makes america america. we see the school district saying everybody gets a trophy or in this case no one gets a trophy because we don't want to offend anyone, it has really bad effects. you are coddling children. what happens when they enter the real world and they learn life isn't fair? >> harris: amy, the things that bothers me most about this is the fact that no one is allowed to rise and be exceptional and be celebrated. we just become people being tolerated around each other and buy each other. >> amy: we are seeing it all across the boards. in the schools, everybody barely shows up. what's worse if you do succeed in any way, it's a most a punishment of sorts. this is the epitome of punishment because when you don't allow people to take their national merit awards and put them to further their education, you're taking money away from people's families. these parents want to be able to support their children. to me, this is a case where it could be a lawsuit and you could

go back and say you didn't allow us to do this and this jeopardized the college funding for the further education of our children and i saw the school board meeting where the parents were standing up and saying this is so unfair. we were not given the opportunity to fight for our children and represent what they were so hard for. you would think that the educators want them to succeed in that way to show how they are preparing their students. >> harris: what is so cutting about what you just pointing out is the fact that if you were low income or diverse racially or culturally diverse, this works against the very people that they say they are fighting for which is how i know they don't mean it. they don't really mean equity. what they mean is equity that's politically tilted in their direction. >> it's really, really harmful. it doesn't matter what background you're coming from. if you are working hard and you don't get the merit, you are missing out on the opportunity to get that reward. >> jeremy: they are using kids to try to score political points and i think that's the worst part of all of this. you are robbing these kids

because you want to score political points and how politics works these days. that's why my wife and i, we took a hard look at the school system to see where are we going to have our kids go to school? we don't want some of this nonsense. it to be victimized. at an early age. >> harris: you do have to plan. you do have to think about it. you mention your home state, arizona. i was reading this morning with a brand-new governor, katie hobbs, is taking a look at rolling back something people really liked and it had to do with the choice that you're talking about, jeremy, where you put your kids, how to run away from the woke. >> i can't believe we are saying that in all states, arizona of all states. the trend that you mentioned and what's so disconcerting is this equity consultant which by the way according to virginia attorney general jason's office, half a million dollars was paid out. half a million dollars. if i was a taxpayer, i would be so angry in that state.

what's happening, you're right, it is the go woke trend we are seeing with so many places. again, i am shocked about katie hobbs in arizona, we will see where that goes but that's why someone like glenn youngkin as governor of virginia because of the mess of the education system in general. >> harris: last i checked, the governor may be had more power than the equity coordinator. >> emily: may be but remember the constitution in virginia was amended so that the school boards actually had more power than the parents so unfortunately i think it's a little bit backwards that the good governors trying to surmount right now. absolutely it's actionable. of course, these are lost opportunity costs for these children. scholarship losses are also is real. it is supposed to account for economic disparity. there woke contingency says that here's what this means and it doesn't mean that or even if you are economically disadvantaged but don't have another box checked, that means you don't count, that is so patently unfair. my mom was the presidential

scholar just a few years ago when she was in high school in california to this day that certificate and then the photo of her shaking the president's hand as a high schooler, that's on the walls of our childhood home. it's a source of pride and accomplishments by one student. it's not at the loss of another. >> harris: exactly. >> emily: you can succeed and be a champion in so many different ways, shine brightly in so many different ways that the gifts god has given you individually without it impacting other students negatively. they are losing out on that lesson. >> harris: that's why i love sports so much for kids. whatever their sport is. we happen to be talking about the intellectual support of academics. it really challenges us. i love the way you put that. coming out, there is yet another push to police the way we talk to each other. oh, stop. an article against using culturally sensitive words like aloha. they are desperate. they are desperate.

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>> as congress returns from the mlk day break, committee chairmen are wrapping up for an investigation on why president biden was hanging on the classified documents.

we've got to the latest. how are high achievers being punished by what culture? bill mcgurn think so. the battle over water in arizona gets totter and is astrophysics bastion of white supremacy and hypermasculinity? wait till you hear what one stargazer has to say. we will see you at the top of the hour for america reports. ♪ ♪ >> emily: welcome back. it looks like the left wants you to change your vocabulary once again. this time by dictating how we greet each other. a "usa today" piece asking, is it time to stop saying aloha and other culturally sensitive words out of context? "ways to say hello in hawaiian, spanish, hebrew. just because you can say something doesn't mean it's always appropriate. on the surface, simple greetings

and phrases from other races and cultures may seem fine to sprinkle into our vernacular, inclusive even but did you know aloha doesn't just mean hello or goodbye. if you're not hawaiian and you stated could come off as mockery. cheryl, the author goes on to say intention matters most. if intention matters most, why are you policing our language if it every circle moment we are always going to be cognizant of our intentions and what's going. >> cheryl: to be clear, aloha does mean hello hello and goodbye and it is used all the time in hawaii. to know what aloha means? a heart full of gratitude and love for life overflowing with joy, sharing the aloha spirit with others. aloha spirit. this is a lifestyle. if you're going to hate on me for saying that, you go right ahead. >> will there be a quarter jar? i'm asking for a friend.

hola, it is a fun way to say hello. it's a wonderful expression to connect with people. that's what some of these words mean to me when i use them. >> jeremy: i got in trouble the other day with the linkage police because my father does work with homeless veterans in georgia and i refer to them as homeless. it's actually house list. if you say homeless, it's disrespectful. there's always new vocabulary, new rules being written. it is the elite, the progressive elite. you can out-woke somebody else. if you don't know the new vocabulary, you are not cool like me. i am more woke. >> harris: houseless, discriminatory gives people who live in apartments? i think the big problem is foodlessness. >> emily: the left is so busy coming out with new words, all it does is dilute our intentions which is positive. positive goodwill. if you're trying to share that

aloha spirit. oh wait, i just said it. sorry, sorry, sorry. that momentum shined shine and can actually otherwise would've had. >> harris: it makes us so introspective. if our attention is to have eye contact, if our intention is to have an open heart around a person through eye contact we are greeting them in a loving way and by the way i love aloha because it means love in your heart whether you are leaving me or you are coming. mahalo. >> jeremy: why don't we want to see the best in people question if we should have more grace. >> harris: that's a great question. >> jeremy: as a way to insult me? i'm assuming the best. if we can get back to that as a country where we see the best of intentions and each other and have compassion and grace for each other. >> emily: when you said that, you had a recent example. i thought you were going to share from law school. have you noticed, has there been policing the classroom at yale law school where someone says something and someone else is you can't say that anymore. have you witnessed back? >> jeremy: of course.

i have a few more months left until i graduate. but of course. you see it all the time on college campuses. every now and then, people will say okay, let's talk about this. why is it that we are making all these new rules. telling people you are a bad person or a bigot or racist because you used a word. it's gotten out of control. to get back to place in our country we can have real conversations, be vulnerable with each other. not be afraid to get canceled every five seconds. >> cancel culture has become a way of life. it really has. >> especially some of the younger generation has. it's a sign of coolness. your hip if you're into that comment puts you in a different category of cool. in reality, it's setting up barriers to connect. >> emily: i have a whole heart of gratitude for all of you. >> aloha, emily. >> emily: more "outnumbered" in just a moment.

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the did he debate. recreated the scene and used stunt doubles across four tests. they came to what he calls hard and fast conclusions. leo dicaprio refusing to take the bait when asked about the scene a few years back. >> that is the biggest controversy. >> in modern cinema history. [laughter] >> no comment. >> his co-star, kate winslet said this last month. >> i actually don't believe that we would have survived if we had both gotten on that door. so -- you heard it here for the first time, yes, he could have fit -- he could have fit on that door, but it would not have stayed afloat. it wouldn't. >> so jeremy, the thing i love about this, they don't even talk about their characters. it's like it was really happening to them and kate winslet was trying to survive.

>> you know, here is my take, unpopular, even if there were room, i'm not sure he had the interview to get on the door. he's in freezing water. >> she couldn't help him? >> would they have had the energy -- >> up on the door. >> he was a goner from the beginning. >> you are saying -- what i'm hearing is he had hypothermia. in reality, did they truly love each other, if they did not go down together, maybe she had the stone in her pocket, she wanted it to herself, or perhaps, or perhaps -- we wouldn't even have this problem if she had gotten on the lifeboat to begin with, they never would have made it to the door. >> your last name is freeze for a reason. >> oh, my gosh. you guys, the answer is totally obvious. so, remember jack tried to get up on the wood panels, and then rose tried to help him but he slid back down.

i agree with rose, kate, that even if he had been able to fit, he was sort of skinny, for sure it would have sunk, that's how it had to end. no way he could have survived. >> you just said it, it was skinny leo dicaprio at the time. >> absolutely. >> she threw him out to the sharks. >> did he have the muscles to get the second effort on the panel, i don't think so. >> i could pull anybody up on that door, come on. the weight thing, that is an issue. because if you are not bouyant -- she had more fat, and he was skinnier. science, 100%. rose is innocent, jack is dead. >> remake, a different ending. >> you know the ending of "titanic," right? >> in the remake, he would not have made it, with him as himself, he would not have made it, too heavy. but the fact remains, if she had gotten on the lifeboat before

they made it into the water, she would have saved herself. >> big question. >> that's a cold heart truth. >> different scenario. >> and where is the stone, that's all i have to say. >> that's the biggest question. >> i thought she threw it in the ocean. >> you thought she did. >> when she was 90. >> you watched a different movie. all right. we will see you back here tomorrow. "america reports" now. >> sandra: a virginia school system claiming it was just an innocent oversight but their failure to notify students about the prestigious merit awards was not an isolated incident. at least 12 schools in the fairfax school system withheld the honors. >> john: the virginia attorney general is investigating to see if it was intentional as part of the county's