we really don't want people to think of feeding food like ours is spoiling their dogs. good, real food is simple. it looks like food, it smells like food, it's what dogs are supposed to be eating. >> if we don't allow in an orderly way the people that want to ask for asylum and then, you know, send back everybody who is not supposed to be here legally we're not going to have consequences. if you talk to any border patrol they tell you that the law of consequence, sending back people who are not doing this correctly, without that consequence they're not going to be able to do the work.

neil: democratic congressman henry cuellar in the last hour talking about revelations that were shocking and released late on a friday night. that's what happens with a lot of information that could be very embarrassing to authorities, but in this particular case extremely embarrassing anybody for everyone in this country. 251,000 plus migrant encounters at the border last month. we have never seen that, forget about in any december, in any month in our history like ever, ever, ever. griff jenkins in eagle pass, texas with the ramifications of that. my friend, to you. griff: neil, that's unbelievable. that's the population of scottsdale and the border agents are exhausted. and let me take you to our drone in the sky and lift you up. in this is where they have more

than 160,000 crossings here in this fiscal year so far and that's just one sector alone. as you take a look at this crossing here, title 42, people just going across moments ago. and the video that we shot before the sun came up. a little over 50 migrants from cuba, colombia and ecuador, they come every single morning on time like an amazon delivery and it just doesn't simply stop, but i mentioned that title 42 and the revolving door. take a look at this video, we shot with our drone for you to see. you can see here at this crossing where we are, you've got about a dozen migrants title 42, sent back into mexico and then you can also see in this the group of about 20 migrants who had just arrived. literally some coming across as others going back, but let's break down these numbers because you mentioned that

251,480. among them 49, 405 that were title 42'd. that means 200,000 migrants in december were released into the u.s. if you add up to the first three months of the fiscal year, because it starts in october, 717,660 migrant encounters, that's the population of denver, colorado. another interesting number to note, 17 individuals hit the terror screening data base in the month of december. that is why the border patrol agents are so frustrated and why john anderson who represents this area says his agents are backing the g.o.p. effort to impeach mayorkas. >> it puts a bigger spotlight on what's happening here and other resources and maybe border patrol agents out of the asylum business and back in the field. we're all for it.

griff: finally, neil, the number you hear about, it's not public now, but the known got-awas, this fiscal year 113 days, october 1st, 278,000. that means, 2,465 got-aways occur every single day across our southwest border. that's what the border officials worry most about, back to you. neil: it's exploding to your point, griff. thank you very much. to put the numbers in perspective and griff just did, 241,487 got-aways, first 179, 253 in december a year ago and december year before that, 73,994. you can see where this is going. and you can see the alarm that is building and you can see why it is that the texas congressman was talking about getting our military to the border to deal with the drug cartels and the violence, and

in florida -- i'm sorry, california, six were killed, including a mother and her baby seen as a drug cartel hit. william la jeunesse on that part of the story, the violent part. william. >> well, neil, in many ways for years or decades cartel violence was largely relegated to mexico. that's no longer the case and when we say cartel, here is what we mean. a drug cartel is a criminal organization. there's a structure, a chain of command and each cartel controls its own supply chain, manufacturing, smuggling, transport, enforcement, accounting and distribution. >> but there is definitely a path that we can follow from the kingpins through the wholesalers and through the mid level distributors into the hands of the people selling the drugs on the street corners. >> now, today, roughly five cartels compete for trafficking drugs and migrants. among the first was the gulf cartel which built routes into

south texas. the zetas and new generation to the north and tijuana cartel is fighting for west coast corridor control with the sinaloa cartel. each is a multi-billion dollar business employing thousands. nothing illegal crosses the border without their approval. ranging from migrants at 5 to $20,000 each to drugs worth millions. >> i can tell you cartels are here. they are here for multiple reasons, selling drugs is lucrative, a lot of money to be made. >> and once over the border, the drugs typically go to a stash house where u.s.-based members use street gangs to sell them. they are cartels here doing violent acts on behalf of the cartels to recover debts, kidnapping, murder, extortion, robbery, common crimes, ancillary to crime cartel drug trafficking. >> anyone involved with illegal

drug trade in the u.s. is working for the cartel whether they know it or not. neil: scary stuff. william la jeunesse, thank you very much. and my next guest is dealing with the smuggling operations that are fairly sophisticated and putting it mildly. back with us is the cochise county arizona sheriff. very good to see you again not such good news you want it share with us. and you know about the record number of migrants in the latest month, with that comes a lot of bad stuff, too, a lot of crime, a lot of cartel activity. what can you tell us? >> well, neil, good morning. as i sit here and talk to you today, about two miles to my west we have a pursuit going on, going on for 40 minutes where a vehicle, smuggler vehicle is running from my deputies, troopers, border patrol 100 miles per hour. >> and as i speak to you, i pulled out of the highway, out of the chase just to address this interview with you.

this goes on every day, death, high speed pursuits and if you equate that to 2022 in cochise county booked just under 1600 in the jail for those crimes up to murder. and those in the impact are the cartels. neil: sheriff, earlier this week i had congressman crenshaw and he wants to get the military involved, our military alt the border particularly to deal with these cartels. he recognizes that might sit well with mexico and there might even be legal hurdles to it, but he's not giving up on that, what do you think? >> well, it goes back to what i've been saying, too. we have it prioritize our southwest border. we have to prioritize it because that's america's border which has been abandoned by this administration. vice-president harris was just in our state this week and did not even prioritize to come see us again. she's been to the border once as the border czar, president biden went to el paso same

place she went which we have seen no actions as a result of those visits. again, we are left here on this border. border patrol, sheriff's, etf do what they can when washington forgot us. neil: mexico comes back and even to these discussions apparently with president biden when he was there, to help in some of these asylum cases from countries, you know, like venezuela and cuba, and to deal with them. but given the cartel activity and these are largely mexican cartels that you're dealing with, do you think they could do more? >> oh, definitely could do more. but it's going to take pressure from the united states. it's going to take prioritization from this administration. they have not done that. this is not something they care about, whether it's law enforcement, the communities. we're part of america. the southwest border includes america and why we're not being prioritized for this when you

look at the drugs, you look at the violent acts that we saw in california, sad act in california recently, all the things we see every day in border communities and america and we're not addressing it. what a frustrating shame. it's hard to believe in 2023 that's being neglected. neil: it is wild. but you deal with it every day. i don't know how you keep the patience for it, but your men and women are certainly on top of it and some of the terrorists at the border, 38 that are considered very, very dangerous, terror watch list arrested that. these are numbers that we've never seen in a single period so we'll keep an eye on it, but, mark, thank you again, good seeing you. >> good seeing you, neil. neil: in the meantime, keeping track of the classified documents, not so much what the documents say, but how long it took the white house to say anything about them after this. meet leon the third... leon the second... and leon... the first of them all. three generations, who all bank differently with chase. leon's saving up for his first set of wheels... nice try. really? this leon's paying for his paint job on the spot...

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beginning it should be again, no different standard with the way you treated trump and the way they treated biden. there's hypocrisy across the board when you start seeing the last two years what the biden administration has done and american people are waking up to that. neil: for burgess owens who sits on the house judiciary committee, it's about getting information and a timeline and where that compares or contrasts to how donald trump was treated shouldn't matter right now as much as just finding out what happened with this president and when long before he was president, but along comes news out of the department of justice apparently telling jim jordan in regards to his committee that information they're requiring is off limits for the time being, presumably that would go to the special counsel and not necessarily to either that committee or the house oversight committee that is requesting similar material. tom dupre on this, the former assistant attorney general. that's pretty blunt, i think, as face value, tom, you're

going to have to hurry up and wait. there's a process and you're not at the front of this process, right? >> yeah, neil, this is going to be rg it watching that play out. there's overlapping between the investigations and i think it's interesting to see the congressional investigators basically staking out a hard line and saying, look, we have a role to play and there are things that you can do that we can't do and we have a serious, serious role to play here and we're going to carry out our duties to get to the bottom of what happened. neil: to get to the bottom of what happened. we show the kind of timeline for folks, november 2nd last year, it came to light and the administration knew it and about 68 days before this would be out for everyone else to no. there were a lot of behind the scenes maneuvering, i know, working with justice and national archives, i get all of that. but it comes back to whether it had anything to do with the

midterm elections and not doing anything to disrupt that and maybe not trying to get the justice department too riled up for fear that they would have another situation like they had with donald trump. so much we don't know. i'm just wondering what do you make of that 68-day gap? >> it is a remarkable gap, to my mind, neil. look, i think you put your finger on it. the biden administration made a conscious decision not to reveal the fact that they documents in places. and we the american people know it happened is someone leaked it to the media that's why we know about it. even then after that initial report came out they concealed information, they had searched other places and found other documents, it's been a drip, drip, drip process of disclosures rather than the administration being fully transparent from day one and let people know what precisely they found and what they knew.

neil: do we know at this point, tom, when the president's chief lawyer had gone to the wilmington home. he was with other lawyers. and i know he had, you know, obviously someone who had complete clearance to look at classified documents, but we don't know whether the others he brought with him did. i don't know whether that mattered or not, but if they were handling them i would think it mattered. do we know anything about that? >> we don't know a lot about it. we do know that not all the people searching the homes in the places where the documents might be home had the requisite security clearances, which to me is yet another mystery in this thing. why would you send individuals who lack the legal authority to actually look at the documents that they're searching for? to me, that's a mystery. i think what the administration should have done is brought the fbi in at a much earlier stage in the process, number one, to ensure people looking at the documents have the requisite security clearances and number

two, the sense that the president has his own guys, his own lawyers, looking into the investigation, and it should be been from the beginning. neil: that's mine much cheaper, vinny and his brothers, and that's a separate thing i want to raise with you, tom. let me ask where this goes. the criticism has been there's a double standard and republicans like to talk about the way that trump was treated and home was raided and biden administration comes back, because he fought that, and understating what he had and not turning them over, so this is different. and regardless where you stand on that, the special counsel cancels each other out that donald trump nor joe biden anyone attached to him are penalized or punished. >> that's exactly how it could play out ap puts the administration in a box.

i think from the perspective of the american public there are going to be two parallel investigations moving in sequence, simultaneously and parallel tracks. at the end of the day, the american people are going to be able to draw a lot of lawyerly distinction between biden's situation and trump's situation. they're going to say what's sauce for the goose should be sauce for the gander. the other relevant factor, you can't indict a sitting president so at the end of the day the fruits of the special counsel's investigation are going to be very different in that even if he finds biden may have committed a crime, they can't indict him. neil: amazing, amazing. tom, i learned so much. have a great weekend. >> thank you. neil: tom dupree on that. earlier in the show, there was some relief and ken mccarthy and the president were going to meet to discuss the debt limit thing. mccarthy put out the statement

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>> all right. now i'm confused. i don't know about you. a white house official apparently texted this morning telling our peter doocy that whatever you're hearing about ken mccarthy, the speaker, saying that the president's agreed to a sit-down with him to talk about the debt ceiling, that's not the case. a white house official apparently insisting this is a general meeting, i guess if it comes to pass, that they're very clear it's not a negotiation. in other words, what you've heard this back and forth that the white house is not going to negotiate about raising the debt ceiling and tying it to spending cuts that republicans, led by kevin mccarthy, because he made concessions because

they were holding out for speaker made. and where does it put this i think so. and when i caught up with one of the white house advisors, jean spurling, not tying anything to the debt ceiling, just raise it and shut up about it, take a look. >> i think we are afraid that that is what we are hearing, is that the republicans in the house, hopefully not all of them, are willing to say that if you do not do extreme things, perhaps balancing the budget, significant cuts to medicare, medicaid, social security, if you do not do our agenda, we may not extend the debt limit. now, kevin mccarthy voted for a debt limit three times under president trump with no limits or conditions because, of course, that's the right thing to do. the debt limit is only about ensuring that you pay bills you already have. neil: but there were

concessions made in 2011, right, gene, not to what the republicans wanted at the time, but each to address spending in their chosen areas, what would you be wrong with something like that right now? >> if you want to go back to an example of bipartisan budget and negotiation, i will take you back to 1997. there, the clinton administration, all republican congress sat down, had a balanced -- had a budget agreement. it, you know, created the chips-- i'm sorry, the children's health initiative program. neil: so it is possible, right? it is possible. >> yes, but i just want to make clear-- no, no, i want to make clear, that's acceptable. we're a democracy. the republicans can put on the table. some of them seem to want to change social security and medicare from automatic to a year by year discretionary. we disagree. it's their right to put that forward. some of them want to try to

have dramatic cuts that we think would tank this economy and send us into recession to balance the budget, but it's their right to put that forward. what you don't have the right to do is to say that we are going to hold hostage the full faith and credit of the united states to get what we want. neil: all right. so from gene spurling at the white house. no negotiating the debt ceiling hike no matter what that means. this could be for a while. we have the budget committee chair, a central player in this. chairman, good to have you. >> good to be with you, neil. neil: now for this confusing news out of the white house, a debt ceiling meeting between the president and kevin mccarthy. apparently, it's a general meeting. not necessarily one that's tied to the debt ceiling. if it happens at all. so, i'm confused.

do you know anything? >> well, i know if they have any meeting because i've heard speaker mccarthy say the biggest two threats to our nation and our future is china and the debt. so, i don't think the president will escape having to deal with negotiating some fiscal reforms in the most responsible way, so that we can bend that debt curve so that we can get on a sustainable path, stave off a debt crisis and act like adults and actually act like every other american. every other level of government, every business, and actually consider the massive amounts of debt, our ability to pay that, and what it's doing to our economy and what it could do, neil, to our national security, our way of life and our global leadership. so, i suspect that they're going to have that conversation, whether the president wants to or not. neil: do you think you're being sucked into a trap though,

chairman? by that i mean in the past, the democrats have kind of held their ground against republicans who also wanted to cut spending. only to see government shutdowns for which the public blamed republicans, fair or not, so much so in 2011 had our debt downgraded from triple-a because of the whole process. do you worry about that that you're going to get pinned with that again? >> i'm willing to take the risk because i know the disastrous irreparable consequences of a debt crisis and i think the american people are waking up to this as they see the soaring interest rates and dealing with inflation, which is just completely untenable for most americans living paycheck to paycheck. i think that people are not just concerned about the current economic conditions which were, both way,

self-inflicted from this administration, they're concerned about their children's future in this country. that's where i'm placing my bet, that people care about this. in fact, every poll says two out of three americans believe this is a top issue. neil: no, no, no, absolutely, chairman. you're right about that. invariably i note what happens, whenever you're in a government that could make it tougher ahead, parks are closed and access to public facilities, all of a sudden, concern about medicare or social security recipients are going to get paid. the longer it drags on, the less americans like that. are you prepared for that? >> you better believe i am because this is about the nation's future, our leadership in the world. it's about having the blessings of liberty and opportunity for my children and listen, we've done this before. the last eight major fiscal reforms were done in the

context of a debt ceiling negotiation since 1985. this is not unprecedented. we just need democrats to act in good faith, come to the table and let's find a path forward. there are plenty of -- i've got a couple of bills that are spending cap-related. debt to gdp target related and a number of things we can do. but doing nothing is totally unacceptable and irresponsible. neil: we'll watch it very, very closely. jody arrington, a central player in this drama some say could go well into the summer. we have a lot of time, they can wiggle around a lot of the money, sort of like looking under the couch cushions. the only difference, this he have more that they can look through. neil: and the latest out of vladimir putin regarding civilians in ukraine and then a

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alex hogan in kyiv now that and so much more have been going down. >> we've seen a lot of russian advancing over the 24 hours. in kyiv, it's a day of mourning as ukrainians remember the lives lost this week, including the interior minister, other government officials, who died in a helicopter crash. take a look at this memorial. family members gathered there, widows, children, mothers, visibly and volodymyr zelenskyy crying at the funeral to mark the sad loss today. outside the cultural center in the capital, hundreds of residents lined up for hours holding flowers, hoping to say goodbye. meanwhile, in ukraine's eastern donetsk region, russia is claiming to have gained new ground and also saying it gained new ground yesterday. while these are small towns in the east, they surround the town of town that's contested

and soldiers in that town saying that it will be the difference in holding the territory and leaving that back. and the contract group, the big question was, would berlin send leopard two tanks? berlin has not signed off on that and nor has the u.s. and sending abram tanks. the u.s., however, did unveil the second largest aid package worth more than $2 1/2 billion. and since the start of the war in ukraine, now, almost a year into it, the u.s. has donated about $26.7 billion so far, neil. neil: thank you for that. please be safe, also, alex in kyiv, ukraine. i want to go to general jack keane. and germany, the tank thing

where they're withholding sending the tanks to ukraine. i don't know whether they're signaling to us whether we're going to provide some of our abrams tanks. >> i'm surprised by the administration, they've taken a narrow view of this issue. we're not providing abrams tanks, stated reason because they're a logistical and maintenance challenge and i've got that, they certainly are all of that, but we're -- it's like we're behaving as a technocrat versus what the germans want is political cover. they want the americans to provide the tanks first and then release the leopard tanks not only in their nation, but other european nations and preventing them from being exported. once they get the political

cover, there are 2,000 leopard tanks there and a couple, 300 of those will likely wind up in the hands of the ukrainians. for the life of me the administration should see the political reality of what it means for the germans and get over the frustration with them and facilitate getting some nominal amounts of abrams tanks in the ukrainians hands. by the way, if you ask the ukrainians would you take the logistical nightmare of the abrams and its maintenance and you know the answer would be, they would take the tanks. give them nominal amount and release the leopard tanks. why is it so important? the russians of covering a 1300 kilometer line. but they need the tanks and infantry carriers. the infantry and infantry carriers can't do it themselves, they need the tanks and that's critical to the operation that the ukrainians

want to start. neil: i'm not seeing any huge divisions within n.a.t.o., but seeing a little more questioning from n.a.t.o. countries. the german situation is probably the most glaring example, but i'm wondering if patience is wearing thin as we're approaching the one-year anniversary and even in our own country, the conservative republicans able to have great sway over kevin mccarthy examining how much we're giving to ukraine and a couple of cases, on our show, whether it's even worth giving more money. some are saying, no, it's not. does this worry you? >> well, yes, as a concern, but the europeans by and large have really stuck together. i've been surprised that the unit that they have and unveiling a fairly significant commitment within their own resources, you know, to give to the ukrainians and certainly, it's very commendable what the administration has given up in the new $2 1/2 billion package.

it's quite significant and without the tanks, for the reasons we discussed. i think this is an issue that should be discussed in front of the american people and the congress of the united states. we are supporting the ukrainians in a war trying to stop russia from moving throughout europe and we're not putting any troops on the ground, but we're giving them equipment that costs the american taxpayers some dollars. we've got to make certain that the american taxpayers know full well that there's going to be full accountability here and i think it's a worthy discussion that should be taken. neil: real quickly, general, and this concerns, as we approach the one-year anniversary and the plans for zelenskyy to try to speak to the u.n. he's obviously concerned about getting his weapons, his tanks, no matter who they're from and he's going to run into some resistance and vladimir putin is playing this with gains in the east part of the country. not robust gains, but sort of a

wear them down strategy. does it worry you? >> yeah, where putin is. he knows he can't take that country quickly like he thought a year ago. so he's got a strategy for a protracted war. he wants to outlast the ukrainians, break their will, destroy their physical infrastructure which he's been doing every single day in front of our eyes, and also wear down the united states and european political support for this endeavor. he thinks that strategy in the long run will work and he knows full well that he has more people that he can put into the fight than ukrainians can, given the size of his country and its population base and he's likely going to mobilize another 500,000 this year to be able to do that. some think he's actually planning an offensive operation and i'm kind of curious why the cia director, burns, flew in to see zelenskyy recently, likely to give him some insight into what the russian plans are, and we have had very good intelligence on those plans.

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that thinking it would be a boon for them. that never happened and now he's paying for it in court testifying that he did say what he said, but that didn't necessarily mean he had to hold what he said. i think that's it. i'm not a lawyer and nor do i follow these details as closely as charlie gasparino. and in this trial, what's at stake? >> a lot if he loses. and we have to go back a few years when tesla was a struggling company. it's still struggling a little now, but it was existentially struggling then. short sellers that bet against traders, bet against it making some money, saying that the company was on the version of bankruptcy and later he came out and admitted it was.

had a ton of production problems. he comes out then and says, listen, i have funding secured to take it private at $420 a share which was a significant premium to where the stock was trading and then the stock spiked then came out that he really didn't have that. now, people lost, probably lost money in that. in those intervening times and in the intervening weeks before it spiked and went down and those are the people who are suing him in this class action lawsuit. and they got a good case. neil, the bottom line, he said what he said. it was a lie. he settled with the sec. i mean, or we could say maybe not a lie, but there's no factual evidence that he ever had funding secured. that's the type of thing that you don't know if you're an officer or a director of a company. you know, you don't make those types of statements if they're materially false. so, my guess is he's going to lose and he's going to pay. i will say-- >> how much would he likely

have to pay because this all comes on the heel of the twitter purchase and that turned into a nightmare. might work out for him, but what do you think? >> know -- who knows? they'll probably in the class action, i think probably another black eye for him. he's such an enigma, he does some really good things, smart things and then he does some really stupid things. this is in that stupid camp. the twitter purchase might be in a stupid camp as well, paid 40-- >> never know. >> paid all of that money for it. neil: thank you, charlie. we know that he's lost $200 billion on paper and still one of the world's richest human beings, so defying expectations. >> right up there with you, (laughter) . neil: always good seeing you. and in case you're keeping track we're looking at more republicans eyeing presidential runs next year.

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and lee carter, a pollster and lee first on the teasing of prominent republicans. there will be many more, i suspect, who are saying we might suit up for battle, whether trump's in there or not. what do you make of that? >> well, i think it's not all that surprising. i think the republican party right now is really trying to find its identity. it seems like trump and desantis are the two that everybody is talking about. and when you think about 2015 at this point in the game we had no idea who was going to be the front runner, donald trump didn't announce until late june. so what we're going to see is a bunch of different folks dipping their toes in the water and trying to understand how people are going to react to them. trying to define what their lane would be in the republican party and i would expect by this summer that we're probably going to see, i expect north of 10 to 15 candidates to try and figure out if they're going to take that stage. so, i think we're going to see

a lot more of this conversations, a lot more of these interviews and people hunting at it, seeing how people are going to react, but the field is wide open right now. >> you know, if that were the case and you had that many, you know, going for the republican nomination, doug, you could argue that this is 2016 all over again. donald trump successfully was able to whittle that field down and pick them off one at a time in the battle states where if he has one more percent of the vote than the next guy, he gets the higher plurality of that state's delegates. so i'm wondering, does that actually play to his advantage? >> yes, it absolutely does. you know, the polling now shows head to head he is even with desantis when it's a two-way race. in a multi-candidate field of mike pompeo, nikki haley, mike pence run, trump is well ahead. your scenario is a real world one and may see play out. neil: if it were a battle

between trump and desantis for the republican party depending on the poll, he wins 55-45%, now, when it's a crowded field, again, it's advantage trump, especially if they echo a lot of the policies he had as president, no matter some of the personality issues that come up and give people pause. are those who are trying to think that this time is different because of the controversies that have been raised and everything, that rekindles january 6th. what do you think? >> well, i think at this point it's really too soon to tell because no one has really defined what their candidacy is going to look like. no one has been up on stage fighting toe to toe with donald trump and it's a very, very different game once you're on that stage. and so, at this point, it's a lot of name recognition. there's not a lot, you know, to really hold onto except-- i mean, they're going to vote for donald trump or for donald

trump at this point, and desantis is the only one who might understand what he might bring to the table. at this point, if there are many candidates out there it's an advantage to donald trump, but we've got to see how candidates lnikki haley, and others what the candidacy would be about, what are they going to do for the american people and we haven't heard their stories and could make a different. at this stage the way it's looking the more candidates out there, the more it helps donald trump. the one thing i will say is that the desantis vote does pick off some trump supporters and that could help the other candidates as well. neil: quickly on joe biden then, doug schoen. there's talk if this document thing doesn't go well, others will emerge to challenge him. do you buy that? >> i think that's extremely unlikely. i worked for bill clinton in the white house observing for a very long time. very hard to unseat an incumbent president, but you

never say never. we didn't really know two, three weeks ago that there would be three sources of documents the white house has clearly been on its back foot on this thing. time will tell, but i think most likely it will be biden and harris. neil: you said time will tell. >> it will. neil: i love that line. that will do it here. fox news continues. it means serving veterans is what we do. it means if you need cash, you get more at newday by borrowing up to 100% of your home's value, not just 80%. it means newday has been granted automatic authority by the va to make our own approvals. we can say yes to a veteran when other lenders say no. it means we come to work every day knowing we have the privilege of helping veterans make the most of their va home loan benefit. it means no bank, no lender-- no one knows veterans like newday usa.

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>> president biden and his administration facing mounting political pressure as the white house ramps up damage control or at least tries to in the wake of the classified documents controversy. this as brand new details come to light surrounding the president's handling of a classified documents case dating all the way back to when he was a senator during the carter administration. good afternoon, and welcome to fox news live, i'm