it's just work and listening to the divine assignment from the lord. that's all it is. i'm so grateful and you know i treasure your friendship, we celebrate each other, thank you, emily, i love you for that. >> we celebrate you and your accomplishments and cannot wait to read "power" magazine, and of course, read "faith still moves mountains," which it does. here is "america reports." >> john: emily, thank you. a surge in attacks against catholic churches, arson, broken windows, decapitated statues and satanic graffiti, some involve theft, the vast majority were destruction of property. >> sandra: does that trend reveal they are motivated by a hatred toward religion. a former priest will share his thoughts on that coming up. >> fbi was invited into the

president's home. i'm not going to go beyond that. i'm just going to leave it there and i'm going to refer you to the white house counsel's office. i'm going to refer you to the white house counsel's office. i am. >> the president says he says this seriously and you cannot demonstrate how he takes it seriously. >> let me finish my answer. i'm going to refer you to the white house counsel's office. >> john: press secretary karine jean-pierre set to face fresh questions at the bottom of this hour and as the white house starts placing blame on the media, we are learning another member of a previous administration had classified papers in his home. sandra, it does not stop. >> sandra: another one of those breaking news afternoons. sandra smith in new york. former vice president mike pence informing congress he found documents at his home in carmel, indiana last week. the fbi was on-site to collect

the documents on thursday, we are told. >> john: happening amid growing legal worries for president biden and questions about his political future. some democrats are starting to wonder if they might be better off with another candidate in 2024. >> sandra: florida republican congressman mike waltz, but first, aishah hasnie, the questions dating back to biden's time as a u.s. senator. >> john: and peter doocy, how is mike pence explaining the documents found in his home. >> he says a team of his lawyers found documents at home last week, more than a month after he said he didn't have any. >> i'm not hesitated to criticize the president when i think he was wrong. and clearly possessing classified documents in an unprotected area is not proper. >> that was him referring to the

former president, donald trump. as for the current president, the word from lawyers here is they think a lot of the coverage of the document mess is intentionally overblown. >> i think that there's some of this in every presidency, you know, there are many people out there in the media who try to stir up controversy to get attention or time on camera. >> there is a new asterisk to white house claims they are fully cooperating with the investigation because their cooperation with congress is going to be limited. the counsel wrote a letter to the oversight committee chairman, part says we are reviewing the recent letters to accommodate legitimate, it seems the personal attorneys are running the show and the rest of the team is dealing with what the lawyers are telling them. >> when you found out the fbi had indicated more classified materials in wilmington, which four letter word did you use?

[laughter] >> oh, my goodness, peter. >> she probably could not say on tv without us bleeping it, but for what it is worth with all the classified documents, where else they may have been located. we are waiting to hear back from the obama and clinton offices but we have spoken to somebody at the george w. bush office said they have never found any classified materials after 43 left office. they say that they turned everything classified and unclassified over to the national archives upon leaving office. john. >> john: love the fact you got a laugh out of her, peter. thank you. sandra. >> sandra: so we will get back to the white house as soon as that briefing is underway, and all this as the pence news breaks, there are still growing questions about how then senator biden managed to leave a room reserved for viewing classified documents with that material in

tow. that is a very crucial question. congressional correspondent aishah hasnie is live on capitol hill. you just reached out to the national archives to find out if anyone else had mishandled classified documents. what did you learn? >> just yesterday i reached out to them personally, my colleague david spunt reached out to the doj to find out hey, has anyone in the last year, any elected official reported mishandling classified information, possibly discovering inadvertently misplaced information. we have not heard back from either agency just yet. in the meantime as you mentioned, sandra, here on the hill, senate democrats are telling us they have a lot of questions about this. not only are they telling us that they would never leave a scif, a secure room with the classified top secret documents but are trying to figure out how in the world then senator biden was able to do that.

watch. >> the process we go through is so elaborate and careful to review documents i cannot understand how any individual senator can take possession of a classified document let alone remove it to another location. it's unthinkable. >> it's just unthinkable. well, it is now today by the way is the first senate intelligence committee briefing. we don't know yet, sandra, if senators are getting a national security assessment on the documents or not but the briefing is taking place inside one of those secure rooms, those scifs. meanwhile, republicans say it is disappointing that the senate is now part of this widening probe. >> every time i view classified information, it's in a classified setting. if you come to my house you'll find chic-fil-a bags all over the floor but no classified information. >> could others be digging

through their drawers to double check, possibly. clearly vice president mike pence did that, again waiting for the national archives to get back to us on if anyone has contacted them. sandra. >> sandra: keep us posted on that as we follow the breaking news this afternoon. thank you very much. john. >> john: sandra, florida republican michael waltz, member of the house intelligence committee as well as a former green beret commander. the latest news that former vice president mike pence had a small number of, we think it's about 12, classified documents, apparently kept in a locked safe. it's not just former vice president and now president biden, this thing seems to be some sort of contagion. >> i was glad to hear peter say the bush transition went pretty well, or there's none been found there. i participated in that and have seen the process and i can tell you clearly the process is broken. and this transition, when you are going from one presidency to another and the president and

the vice president have documents in their offices in their possession and we have to take a hard look at g.s.a. and how they and the intelligence community pack these documents, get them to wherever the president and vice president is going, that's one thing, john. but i think the difference with biden here is just how long this goes back. to what you are hearing in the senate, i could tell you we are in a room within a room within a room. i really want to see what type of documents were exposed here. i find it disturbing that the white house is not confirming that a review from the intelligence community is actually happening because at the end of the day it's not the number of documents, it's the quality of the documents. not the quantity. >> john: curious as to former vice president pence decided to look now as opposed to after the document scandal hit with former president trump at mar-a-lago. in terms of -- >> i'm thankful he had the fbi

there and they took possession. and i think that's another difference that people are pointing to. with president biden there was a negotiation and they have not gone to his beach home where he stayed over the weekend. >> john: brings up the topic i wanted to discuss with you, whether there is an appearance of a double standard if not a double standard itself in the way it's being handled with the biden docu scandal as opposed to president biden. merrick garland insisted no double standard. >> we do not have different rules for democrats or republicans, different rules for the powerful or the powerless, different rules for the rich or for the poor. we apply the facts and the law in each case in a neutral, non-partisan manner. >> john: what do you say about that? >> i say that's a bunch of garbage. >> john: don't sugar coat it, tell us what you really think. >> the american people see right through that. the fact that a former president's home which had never happened in the history of the

united states was raided by the fbi just two days before the fbi's own political blackout before a midterm election, number one, and number two, the biggest thing he's not addressing are all the leaks coming out of his department. where is the photo of all the documents in biden's home and biden's garage, you know, in his personal office, where are they all nicely laid out for that presentation and then all the leaks to the "new york times," the nuclear codes and the content of them. we have seen none of that when the comes to biden. but again, going back so far all of these decades, were they documents travelling on amtrak, i mean, were they shoved in his binder, loose. >> john: that's how senator biden traveled. >> they were out loose when sther always, always in a protect guarded bag and protected room and these are lives on the lines, sources and methods the documents could ex suppose. >> john: as journalist, we have

the who, what, where, when, why questions we have not had answered. what are you looking for? >> i'm looking for what is the predicate for biden's lawyers, $1,000 an hour lawyers to suddenly start looking in his offices in the first place. >> john: and by the way, go to the penn biden center and see. >> five years after he left the vice president, and then number two, the quality of the intelligence. it does not matter if it was 200 or 12 or 5, that one key document that exposes a source or a method to our adversary and how many people were coming and going in and out of the biden center all these years. it's the timeline that i think is so different here. >> john: i'm not sure we will ever find out the answer to those questions. as you pointed out, unlike the trump-mar-a-lago raid, they are not leaking to the same degree on this. we'll see. >> as republicans in the house of representatives we will do

our damnest to get to the bottom of it. >> john: and also congratulations. >> we are going to be getting after what the military is trained, back to being war fighters, the afghanistan investigation, and all of these issues with our intelligence community. >> john: we'll be watching closely. thanks for dropping by, ap approach -- appreciate it. >> sandra: mike pompeo, bret baier, and the white house press briefing is supposed to begin about 18 minutes from now, i don't know if you want another beer bet, but we anticipate half past the hour. >> john: what i should have bet you yesterday is when karine jean-pierre would take the podium. jennifer granholm was there throughout the rest of our hour, she did not show up until after the hour turned. next time i'll be more specific. >> sandra: i'll take you up on

that later, john. california is gripped by yet another deadly mass shooting. latest violence happened just south of san francisco. happened in half moon bay, a gunman opened fire on groups of farmworkers at two locations. it all happened yesterday, killing at least seven people and wounding another. police say a 67-year-old man was taken into custody a short time later after he was found sitting in his car parked outside a sheriff's station. he is set to be arraigned tomorrow. it comes two days after the massacre in monterrey park where ten were killed at a dance studio. an 11th victim has since died and nine others remain in the hospital. >> john: houses of worship once revered, now a target of crime. hundreds of catholic churches struck with vandalism or destruction of property. what is the motive behind the malicious behavior?

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>> sandra: fox news alert, the doj in eight states have filed an antitrust lawsuit against tech giant google accusing dominance in advertising. any resolution is likely years

away. google earned $209 billion in ad revenue in 2021 alone, making it the largest advertising company in the world. something i think we experience every day when we do our searches, john. >> john: how does it know exactly what i'm looking for? that's the question i have. >> sandra: you can just be thinking it, right? >> john: i talked about it randomly one day and it showed up. the family of a tennessee man who died three days after a confrontation with memphis police is demanding answers. attorneys for the family say bodycam video shows nichols was tased, pepper sprayed and kicked by officers. the video has not been made public. charles watson is live in memphis. what else are the attorneys saying, charles? >> good afternoon, john. the attorneys for the family say they are expecting the bodycam video showing the violent confrontation between five memphis police officers and

29-year-old tyree nichols to be released. they say the public will see officers kick, tase and pepper spray in a beating four minutes. >> unadulter eighted unabashed beating of this young boy for three minutes. >> civil rights attorney ben crump, 1 of 2 lawyers representing the family, said the video was so disturbing that nichols' mother could not stomach more than one minute of the january 7th beating, allegedly took place 80 yards away from his home as he called on his mother for help. he complained a short time later complained of shortness of breath and was taken to the hospital where nichols died after spending three days on life support. the memphis police department says the deadly encounter stemmed from a traffic stop

during which nichols ran away from police as they attempted to detain him. five officers were fired who were allegedly involved after an internal investigation found they violated multiple department policies, including excessive use of force. his family who describes him as a well liked father with a love for skateboarding says he ran because he was in fear for his life. >> my son was a great, great kid. he didn't deserve what he got. now what he deserves is justice. >> we are going to get justice for my son tyree, if that's the last breath i take. >> we have just learned in the last few hours or so the memphis fire department has suspended two of its employees as it investigates the initial care that they gave to mr. nichols as he was in distress. as far as protests go, john, not clear if any are going to happen this evening or the coming days,

but the family says if there are any protests they would like for them to be peaceful, john. >> john: do we think the bodycam video will ever be released? >> yes, well, at the press conference yesterday attorney ben crump said the tbi and the fbi promised the family that in the next week or so that the bodycam video would be released publicly. they said that they promise that they told the family they really want to conduct a thorough investigation and don't want to leave any holes in their investigation, so they are withholding the bodycam video until their investigation is concluded, john. >> john: might inflame the situation once it does come out. charles watson, thank you. >> sandra: a growing animosity against houses of worship in this country spreading alarmingly fast, coast to coast, according to a new report. a tracker from catholic vote shows nearly 300 attacks on u.s. catholic churches since may of

2020. more than 100 coming since the leak of the federal decision to ban abortion rights. jonathan joins us now. former priest and fox news contributor. this is alarming, a recent trend but seems to be accelerating quickly. why is this happening? >> it has accelerated, 300 since 2020, and over, i believe, 118 of those being even post the overturning of roe v. wade. and this is not breaking into a church and stealing for profit. this is done out of hatred. now, you might accuse me correctly of seeing the world with rosy glasses, but you know, hatred -- you have hatred for something that stands for something, right. if something -- if a church doesn't stand for anything, there will not be hatred.

there will be indifference. so on the positive side i see thank god in the united states of america there still are churches that people care about, that stand for something. we have to make sure that we preserve that. otherwise we will be continuing, i would say, to lose our identity as a country founded on christian principles. >> sandra: a quote from the family research council on attacks against churches in the country, says that americans appear increasingly comfortable lashing out against church buildings, pointing to a larger societal problem of marginalizing core christian beliefs, including those that touch on hot button political issues related to human dignity and sexuality. that's a huge statement and when you talk about these attacks that are happening on these places of worship, these churches in particular, these are not just light incidents. you are talking about arson, broken windows, decapitated

statues, satanic graffiti. 77% is vandalism. these are serious offenses being made against these churches. >> yeah, and the response needs to be double. one, the local community cannot put up with that. going after a house of worship is going after one of the highest values in a local community, hierarchy of values, religion, faith. we have to stand up. secondly, these local governments can't put up with -- can't put up with this. this is -- this is going right at the heart of the things that people care most about. and so when that happens in our communities, we need to stand up and make sure that local governments hold these people accountable. this is not just graffiti. this is hatred, and this is going after what people care most about in life. >> sandra: and i mean we have been showing image, not just from certain areas of the country, but all over the

country, coast to coast. we were showing defaced statues in denver. i want to put this gallup poll up on the screen, accelerating, gallup polling finds this major drop in church and synagogue membership and happened just in the past few decades, this acceleration. those that worshipped in 1992, 70%. members of those places of worship, now 47%. that is a significant drop. why are we losing religion in this country, jonathan? >> it is, and if you want to see the next step, look to britain. the first time in britain, united kingdom, a very christian, traditionally historically country, less than 50% of brits call themselves christian. why are we losing it? things have accelerated and mostly through social media.

values and changing of values have accelerated. you are a mother, you know the impact right now. how your children's minds can get influenced so, not just deeply, but how quickly and we have to -- at some point we have to say we are going to fight for the things we care about, and we are going to do it in a very, very concerted and strong effort. i see that happening a little bit in local school communities now that people are saying no, we are going to take charge and make sure that our kids are not getting indoctrinated. >> sandra: and use your words earlier, the communities have to stand up against the violence, the incidents happened, and cardinal dolan joined us and expressed a similar sentiment. and congratulations to you, you had a baby and got married, an amazing few years for you. >> a lot has changed, which gets

me even more fired up about these social issues because you know, as a parent, what -- how is my child going to be influenced by society and we have to form traditions as a family to keep faith. >> sandra: and we have to parent. jonathan, great to see you. >> john: investigators spent nearly a year searching for a suspect in the horrific murder of a microsoft executive. could police finally be close to cracking the case. >> sandra: we have our eye on the clock, by the way. two minutes to the halfway point in the hour, when we expect the press secretary to take to the microphone at the white house and take more questions as she and the white house stone wall reporters over the combroeg document scandal. and brand-new reaction to senator lindsey graham that classified documents were found at mike pence's home in indiana. mike pompeo on that next. >> he's probably got documents

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>> sandra: fox news alert, looking live at the white house briefing room, scheduled to begin at 1:30 eastern time, a few minutes ago, it is running a bit behind. another big day to listen into the questions and answers with the press secretary and the press there because she has been pressed almost daily on the president's growing document scandal not providing transparency into all of this, so she was likely to be pressed again and this briefing is now happening after the latest revolution of classified documents found at the former vice president mike pence's home in indiana. so there will be brand-new reaction to that and peter doocy is in the room. we will get to the q & a with karine jean-pierre as soon as that begins. >> john: if it's running behind, it's right on time.

possible break in the unsolved murder of a microsoft executive in florida. an arrest could come as soon as tomorrow in the death of 33-year-old jared bridegan gunned down on a road nearly a year ago. william has been following this, live in los angeles with the latest. >> john, not unlike the idaho murder case, police have not said much other than they believe it was not a random killing. rather that 33-year-old jared bridegan was targeted. the question is why. so about a year ago in jacksonville, someone put a tire in the middle of a narrow road. he was riding with his 2-year-old daughter. he was ambushed, shot multiple times at close range and could not survive and nothing taken. why was he killed? his job at microsoft or personal life? he was in a custody battle with his ex, hanna gardner hernandez, admitted asking a tattoo artist

if he knew anyone who would "shut up" her ex-husband, she later said people say those things during bitter divorces and denied involvement in jared's death. police released some surveillance video of a blue ford pick-up, $55,000 reward is out there and police sources tell fox digital the arrest could come as early as tomorrow. >> i have a lot of faith in the detectives that are working this. it's just frustrating that things take time. that this is not a tv show. things don't get solved in 60 minutes. >> bridegan remarried, his new wife has given interviews, she's upset the first wife moved to washington state, separating her children from a stepbrother and sister. again, maybe john more tomorrow. back to you. >> john: an unusual case. william, thank you. >> sandra: so much to dig into here. back to the top story, the white house set to face more questions

over the classified documents probe only appears to be intensifying at this hour. all of this as we learn former vice president mike pence also found class if i had documents inside of his indiana home. joining us now on set, mike pompeo, former secretary of state and a fox news contributor. also author of "never give an inch, fighting for the america i love" and will be hosting a special for his dealings with the world's most dangerous leaders sunday at 10:00 p.m. eastern time. i look forward to that and the book is fantastic. thank you for joining us here, mr. secretary. first up, we have been dealing with the multiple revelations and findings of president biden's classified documents. at the office, at the home, searching the vacation home, now we learn the former vice president, mike pence, documents found at his indiana home. what are we to think about

these, our nation's secrets being found in our leader's homes? >> so let's start at the beginning. every one of us who handles classified information, i did it as a member of the house of representatives, intelligence committee and then a scif in my home both as cia director and secretary of state, we have a set of rules how we handle the information and we do our level best, and whether it was president trump, president biden, all did that. when you find out you made a mistake, get it in the right hands and then take responsibility for what happened. this is serious stuff. if the documents are classified it's important and we need to protect those secrets. it's hard for me to imagine this happening to some -- appears to be from president biden's time as a senator, i hardly touched those documents. you would be on the scif in the capitol building, read, leave. and one could imagine a note

getting someplace, something stuck in, i suspect it maybe happened, but we have an obligation to figure that out and who might have seen them. >> for people watching this closely you wonder what's coming next with all of this. a lot of theories and speculation in large part because of a lack of transparency from the white house. the doj has even green lighted the white house to give us more information, but yet another press briefing we get it a lot in this hour, secretary pompeo we do not get new information. so there's theories like this, this is liz peak, and you can respond how you will. now d.c.'s hottest guessing game. she asks who's sab tabbing the president? alternate theory is it was someone inside the white house who wanted joe biden out of the 2024 race. joe biden after all was on the cusp of formally announcing that he would run for a second term,

others in his party might not have been so optimistic. your response to that? >> goodness, you know. never give an inch. i talk about the fact i saw a lot of conspiracy theories, most turned out to be incompetence. >> you don't give it any thought. >> if i were betting, most likely just mishandling of documents and incompetence, not a greater conspiracy. and your point about transparency matters a lot. president biden should say everything he knows and cannot say he doesn't regret it. someone found classified documents on me, i would regreat that greatly. >> sandra: and his words, he had no regrets. and senator lindsey graham held this, a press conference a few minutes ago and said this on the scandal. >> so let's find out how that happened, you got trump, you got pence, you got biden, the only thing i think you'll find at my house is a bunch of chic-fil-a bags on the floor.

bottom line, i don't know how it happened. we need to get to the bottom of it. i don't believe for a minute that mike pence is trying to intentional compromise national security. biden and trump, clearly we have a problem here. hopefully when it's all said and done maybe we are overclassifying things, that may be part of the problem. but count me in for getting this fixed. >> sandra: the point about overclassifying things, that's been brought up but there's a process and leaders in the country, whether you are vice president, senator, you know the process. should the process be changed for classifying documents? >> things are marked classified that don't need to be, but if they are marked classified today, you go through the process to get it declassified or secure it in a way that is appropriate. we need to get to the bottom of each of these instances what appear to be classified documents in places they ought not to have been. >> sandra: lindsey graham just

said we need to be all in in helping ukraine. i want to ask you where we are in this fight against russia. he said the russian army is decimated, it's a turning point, where are we and how much more should we step in to help ukraine? >> i think about it a little differently. we should be helping america and helping america means sovereign nation prepared to defend itself from invasion and attack where civilians are killed by vladimir putin is in america's best interest for our economy, our security, we should be doing everything the ukrainians are asking us to do. they have not asked us to send our soldiers or the 82nd airborne, they said provide us the stuff we need and their lives are at risk. the biden administration is afraid to win, the tools they need to be successful and will end with a negotiated solution. we should get to that point. the quickest way to end the war, provide the ukrainians with the

military assets and intelligence. >> sandra: do you believe we should be pressuring our nato allies to step in more as well, are we in this position? >> absolutely. we were beaten on the ukrainians -- excuse me, the germans and the french saying you have to defend yourself. if you depend on russian gas bad things would happen. the germans and the french have not invested in their own security, they should be doing this. this is first instance a european problem, it's their responsibility and it is in american's interest and do it for that reason and that reason alone. >> sandra: thank you for joining us on set and reacting to the breaking news. >> john: sounds like a good read. learning new details about the people arrested in the atlanta night of rage riots over the weekend. protestors angry over the death of an activist mobbed the streets, smashed windows, burning a police cruiser.

atlanta police have i.d. six of them, all but one are from out of state. all facing several felony charges, including domestic terrorism. bring in our panel. juan williams and david, so this protest was over a combined police and fire training facility southeast of atlanta, on the old atlanta prison farm property. part is a forest, the protestors are saying don't tear down the forest. is this more, juan, about being anti-police than pro environment? >> you have to understand, they were occupying that territory for 18 months and the people, the people who want to construct this, including the city of atlanta wants the project there. i think they see it as a money maker and good for the city. you know, we are finally pushing them out when that violent confrontation took place when one of the protestors shot a

policeman. the police shoot back and the protestor is killed and then what you are seeing on the screen take place, no question they are from out of city, out of state, and it seems to me, you know, this is the extremes we see now in american politics. it's unhealthy, wrong headed and i hope they are put down. >> john: sounds like an area you two agree on. >> it is. when prosecutors won't enforce the law disrupters say we have a chance to be disruptive, and you had folks from outside the state of georgia come in and say we are -- the chance of us getting prosecuted are pretty small, you see this in city after city. where prosecutors won't taken forcing the law seriously, and it only emboldens the criminals and it's a criminal first, victim last mentality, that is it what you see. >> john: initially thought it was a home grown protest, the riots were natural atlanta

reaction to what happened, and call fors number 2 and 3 here, angie know pointed out these are spoiled children of privilege trying to burn atlanta down, and the graphic, a lot of people arrested were from out of the state as you pointed out, one is the son of a millionaire yacht sailing family from kennebunkport who lived in a mansion, and another former chair of al gore's climate, and another went to the prestigious conservative of music in san francisco. are these people, juan, who travel the country looking to stir up trouble? >> i don't know. but i mean, just from the descriptions you offer, they are clearly people of privilege in terms of income, education and elite. i think you have a legitimate place if you want to protest the construction of a police training facility. to my mind you cross a big line when you become violent, and so

if they are organizing across the country and they, by the way, i don't know if you noticed this, john, they were dressed in black and they said you know what, we are going to get even for the death of the other protestor. at that point, what are they by anarchists? >> john: david, the point they come from out of state to stir up trouble. even if they are protesting the saving of a forest or anti-police protest, what right does a person from maine or washington state have coming into the city of atlanta to stir up trouble. >> goes to my point, these are disrupters who don't feel a respect for the law. and you have the law enforcement retiring and quitting in pretty serious numbers, more to the point i also made when disrupters don't fear the law because they don't think prosecutors will prosecute them and you have an entire generation of prosecutors at the

lower level that's getting wiped out by these progressive prosecuting attorneys who are getting elected and saying these are the laws we are not going to enforce. look right here in washington, d.c., the city council now wants to no longer make it felony or charges for things even as much as murder. >> john: and when did this protestor who shot at police never thought it would be met with the deadly force response. we are waiting for the press briefing to begin, and the question and answer period, we'll go to the briefing, let's talk about the latest with the document scandal. former vice president mike pence now discovers about a dozen documents with classified markings on them in his home. i talked to a source close to mike pence says they were boxed up in a box sealed with tape, no idea they were there. once he discovered they were there, and he thought to look,

not because of the donald trump thing, because believed that was an argument over whether or not they were going to disclose they had the documents, but when the biden thing came to light said maybe there is something that got boxed up i didn't know about. they put them in a safe, these are attorneys who are used to dealing with classified documents and then the fbi came and retrieved them. this adds another wrinkle to the whole thing, juan. >> the wrinkle is this. one, hearing from mike pompeo, lots of documents you think i'm not sure that actually should be a classified document. but it is classified and has to be treated with respect and as a state secret. it's the property of the united states government, not the property of any individual. and when you think of that, then you say wait a second, there are many elected officials, or former elected officials who maybe accidentally misfiled or misplaced some documents. i think there's a huge difference between that and somebody returning government

documents and refused to do it, try to obstruct, that's donald trump. >> john: as michael waltz suggested, sitting where you are, the system is broken, for vacating the executive office is broken if the documents are scooped up. it does not explain why president biden had documents from his time as a senator, but may go some distance to explain in terms of vice president documents. >> it raises more questions than it potentially answers. you think about we are talking about paper documents in the digital age. we are not even asking the questions about are we making sure digital documents are being kept secure? much easier as we know through the opm break-ins where personnel files have been taken, other leaks have happened out of the government because folks have infiltrated our digital systems that are we making sure our classified documents that are digitally, how are we making sure they are secure. how are we making sure that folks who now get to work from home may have sensitive

information on their now home computers on the computers at work and what access could bad actors have in tapping in and seeing them. we are not talking about that. but those are the things we have to talk about. and as relates to the president, anybody asked, did hunter biden use any of those to help gain his personal wealth. >> john: karine jean-pierre is taking questions. david, juan, good to see you. sandra. >> sandra: the first question that she's receiving in the briefing room, john, is about the latest revelation of classified documents found in mike pence's indiana home. >> so first on your first question, look, i'm not going to comment on any ongoing criminal investigation or any investigation as you all know, the department of justice is independent and we will not politically interfere. we have been very, very clear about that under this president. the president has been very clear since his campaign

promises and so i'm just going to refer you to department of justice. on your second question, refer you to the white house counsel's office. >> ukraine. administration ready to give -- [inaudible] administration ready to give arams, and two, if you are, is there -- has it been connected with germany also giving leopards? >> we are in constant communications with ukraine and other allies and partners as it realities to what ukraine's needs in the battlefield. but i don't have anything to preview here, announcements to make at this time of any types of security assistance to preview for you today. >> following up from yesterday, has the president invited the justice department to search his rehobeth beach house? >> i would refer you to the white house counsel's office in touch with you about the legal ongoing matter. i don't have anything to share.

>> couple of follow-ups on the pence issue. does the white house believe there should be a special counsel? >> that's for the department of justice to decide. >> we are seeing the two most recent vice presidents discovered classified documents in their private homes, does this suggest there is a larger problem in the government where classified documents are not where they are supposed to be. do a lot of people have documents outside of where they are properly supposed to be stored? >> i'm not going to comment from here on that. refer you to the white house counsel and anything related to classified documents from here. >> thanks, karine. on the issue of gun control, you spoke about president's commitment to assault weapons ban and his view there is more that can be done. how do, i should say, the limitations in congress, ie, with the votes you have or don't have in congress, impact that

view and what, can you be more specific about what he thinks can be done given the votes that he has now? >> so i just want to remind folks this is a president who has made gun violence and dealing with gun violence his career and he's been very instrumental in pushing forward these types of gun reforms that we have seen, whether it is what we saw with the assault weapons ban 30 years ago that he helped get done with senator feinstein or signing the bipartisan piece of legislation that he signed into law just months ago that was again the most significant piece of legislation that dealt with gun violence, and let's not forget he has made this a priority for him and his presidency since day one with historic executive action. so, i say all of this to say this is a priority for the president, when folks thought we would not be able to get a bipartisan deal done on dealing with gun violence that was able

to -- that was able to get done with -- because of the president's leadership on this. because of the president's focus on this. look, we are always looking for, his team is always looking for ways to do, to continue -- to do executive actions to deal with reducing gun violence, but what we believe is that congress needs to act, they need to put forth legislation that can go into law and deal with this issue. we cannot continue to see communities be devastated by this. as a parent, we should not be waking up every morning worried that our child or our kids may have to deal with gun violence. if you are going to the grocery store, you should not have to worry about going to the grocery store and potentially having to deal with gun violence, or going to the movies, watching a movie with your partner or with your kids and eating popcorn and potentially having to worry about gun violence. so the president has been very clear, and not just the last two years, many decades of his

career. so we are going to have to continue to have those conversations with congress, continue to call on congress to take action. >> separate topic, u.s. officials have determined that chinese companies have been sending nonlethal resistance to russia for ukraine. what is the united states saying to the chinese government about this? >> we are closely monitoring the situation as we have been since the war started. we will continue to communicate to china the implications of providing material support to russia's war against ukraine. we have talked about this many times that we will, you know, about he very clear what it means to support russia's aggression against ukraine. and as i've said many times, as my colleagues have said, we will continue to support ukraine and the ukrainian people as long as needed. >> what are those implications? >> i'm not going to get into diplomatic or private conversations from here. i'm just going to let you know we have been monitoring the situation and very clear with the chinese government.

>> talk about the priority for the administration and priority for the president and his entire career. how does he feel in moments like last night, frustration, helplessness, personally how does he deal with this continuing to be a major problem in the country? >> you know, phil, i would say you have seen him out there sadly with many of these tragedies, mourning with the families, offering his support to families, and it is -- it continues -- you continue -- what you see from him is certainly how he feels when he sees these types of travesties. you saw that in uvalde, sadly, when we saw kids were gunned down, families had to identify, the way to identify the own children was through dna, that's how horrible that was. you saw him in buffalo, new york, meeting with the ten members -- the ten victims who were killed and him -- meeting

with those families and dealing with their heartache. and so this is a president that feels, that is able to feel what people are going through. he knows what loss means to families. so yeah, you know, he wants to continue to fight, he wants to continue to speak out against this. you've seen his statements over the last several days sadly and what we have seen with gun violence across the country. and so you'll continue to see that and he will continue to speak about this in a way that lifts up the families who are dealing with this loss, very devastating loss and continue to call on congress to take action. >> one more shot on the pence documents. is there any sense the white house, it shifts the political or public perception dynamics of what the president has been facing over the course of the last several weeks? >> i'm just not going to comment from here. joey. [laughter] i thought you were there yesterday, joey, it was michael.

apologize, michael. >> do you have any update on whether the president plans to visit california, you were asked yesterday but as noted, a second mass shooting. >> no plans to preview about presidential travel to california. you saw his statement, i kind of read part of his statement. his heart goes out to the families, to the victims of the families and we will continue to fight to make sure we deal with this issue, we deal with gun violence. we started with the executive actions, historic executive actions the president was able to do, the first two years of his administration. we were able again as i mentioned sign a bipartisan piece of legislation to deal with gun violence but we need to do more, we need to do a lot more. the president will call for that. >> you kind of alluded or asked about this, what is the strategy now to pass the assault weapons

ban that feinstein introduced, i mean, you are talking of course about a republican-led house now and so how, i mean, you know, what can the white house do to actually overcome those numbers? >> and one thing i want to go back to on california, the president has been in touch with local and state leaders and his team continues to offer support to the local government and clearly governor newsom's team in any way we can to be helpful with what they are dealing with today, this week i should say. look, it is, you know, it is a priority for the president, it really is. that's why he's taking executive actions. that's why his team has worked with congress on this bipartisan legislation that was passed several months ago. and he'll continue to do that, and you know, i think if you all remember, and many of you reported this, that how difficult it was going to be for the president to get any bipartisanship the first two years of his administration and he was able to get historic pieces of legislation done. and so the president says this

all the time. he is optimistic and, you know, i think optimism is very important to this president. but at the same time, he's going to continue to ask congress to act and he's going to continue to see what other executive actions can be taken from here but at the end of the day we need congress to act, we need legislation that can be signed into law to deal with a matter that is really tearing apart communities. >> was the white house aware before this afternoon that classified documents had been found at vice president pence's residence as well? >> i would refer you to the white house counsel's office. >> does the white house believe other high office holders should check their personal residences out of abundance of caution to make sure they are not holding on to classified documents as well. >> that's not something i can comment from here. i don't know the, you