♪ ♪ >> harris : you are watching outnumbered i am harris faulkner with my cohost emily campagno today, also carley shimkis, tammy bruce and former secretary of state mike pompeo, it is hot. let's get to it. the latest twist in the biden document scandal now could complicate the 2024 white house race after classified documents were found at the home of

another potential presidential candidate. the news broke during our show yesterday, former president mike pence showed a batch of documents classified markings were found at his home in indiana last week. he medially handed them over to the doj. meanwhile, fox checked in with other past occupants of the white house. we got a quick response from the office of former george w. bush who said they checked but don't have any classified documents. the office of his successor former president obama is refusing to answer if there has even been a search. still, that is nothing compared to the stone wall and we have been getting from the current white house on the issue. >> after a special counselor is named president biden went to his house in wilmington. what was he doing in there? >> i will refer you to -- >> something relating to this case? >> i would prefer you to the white house counsel it. >> do you think the story was leaked by someone trying to

bruise the president politically ahead of a reelection announcement? >> harris : we are breaking news now with president biden delivering remarks in the roosevelt room and the white house on continued support for the ukraine, let's watch. >> president biden: this morning i had a long conversation with our nato allies, german chancellor schultz, french president macron, prime minister sunak and the italian prime minister maloney to continue our full support of the ukraine because you all know i've been saying this for a long time. the expectation is we will break up. we will not stay united. we are fully, thoroughly, totally united. with spring approaching the ukraine forces are working to defend the territory they hold and preparing for additional counter to liberate their land they need to be able to counter russia's evolving tactics and strategy on the battlefield in

the very near term. they need to prove their ability to maneuver an open cream and they need an enduring capability to deter and defend against russian aggression over the long term. secretary of state, secretary of -- the military behind me are they have been deeply, deeply involved in this effort. capability as general austin will tell you has been critical. that's why the united states has committed hundreds of armored fighting vehicles to date including more than 500 as part of the assistance package we announced last friday, and today, today i'm announcing that united states be sending 31 abram tanks to the ukraine. the equivalent of one ukrainian battalion, secretary austen has recommended the step because it will enhance ukraine's capacity to defend its territory and

achieve strategic objectives. the most capable tanks in the world, there are also extremely complex to operate and maintain, so we are also giving ukraine the parts and the equipment necessary to effectively sustain these tanks on the battlefield. we begin we will begin to train the ukrainian troops on sustaining logistics and maintenance as maintenance as soon as possible. delivering these tanks to the field is going to take time. time that will be seen and used it to make sure ukrainians are fully prepared to integrate the abram tanks into their defenses. we are also closely coordinated with our allies. the american contribution will be joined by the additional announcement including that will be ready and available more easily integrated for use in the battlefield in the coming weeks and months of other countries. i'm grateful that chancellor schultz with german leopard turk, two tanks and two tank

battalions for the ukraine. i would like to thank the chancellor for his leadership and steadfast commitment to our collective efforts to support the ukraine. germany has really stepped up. chancellor has been a strong, strong voice for unity and a close friend for the level of the troop we will continue. supporting ukraine's ability to fight off russian aggression and territorial integrity is a worldwide commitment. it is a worldwide commitment. last week germany, in germany secretary austin convened the ukraine contact group for the eighth time. this group is made up of some 50 nations. 50 nations. each making sure they they are making contributions of their own to ukraine's integrity. fully committed to making ukraine strong and independent able to defend themselves against russian threats and violence. i want to thank every member of the coalition for continuing to step up.

the u.k. come they united kingdom, recently announced it is donating challenger 2 tanks. francis contributing amx tens armored fighting vehicles in addition to leopard tanks that germany like the united states is also germany is also sending patriot missile battery. the netherlands is donating patriot muscles and launchers. france, canada, the u.k., slovakia, norway and others have all donated critical air defense systems to help secure the ukrainian skies and save lives of innocent civilians who are literally the target of russia's aggression. poland is sending armored vehicles, sweden is donating infantry vehicles, italy is giving artillery, denmark and estonia are sending howitzers, lobby is providing missiles, lithuania is providing antiaircraft guns and finland recently announced its largest package of security assistance

to date. you may remember we were asked a while ago what i thought was going to happen and i said to let put no that this would be the centralization of your but we have the nato-is asian of finland which is something i never intended. more than 3,000 armored veh vehicles, more than 2 million rounds of artillery ammunition and worthen 50 launch rocket systems all to help counter ukraine's brutal aggression that is happening because of russia. today's announcement is on the hard work and commitment from countries around the world led by the united states of america to help ukraine defend its territorial integrity. that's what this is about. helping ukraine defend and protect ukrainian land. it is not an offensive threat to russia.

there is no offensive threat to russia. if russia should return to russia they will be where they belong. this war would be over today. that's what we all want. and end to this war. in just and lasting terms. our teams will not allow one nation to steal territory by force. our terms that preserve ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity and honor the u.n., that's the terms you're going through. and you know these are the terms we all signed up for, 143 nations, 149 nations last october, so united states standing shoulder to shoulder with allies and partners will continue to do all we can to support the ukraine. pollutant expects europe in the united states to weaken our resolve. he expects our support of the ukraine to crumble with time.

he was wrong. he was wrong. he was wrong from the beginning and he continues to be wrong. we are united. america is united and so is the world. we approach the one-year mark as we do of russian full-scale invasion of the ukraine we remain united and determined as ever. in our conviction under cause. these tanks are further evidence of our enduring commitment to the ukraine and our confidence and skill with the ukrainian forces. as i told president zelenskyy when he was here, today is his birthday by the way, in december we were winning as long as it takes. ukrainians are fighting an age-old battle against aggression and domination. it is a battle americans have fought proudly time and again and it's a battle we will make sure the ukrainians are able to fight as well, this is about freedom for the ukraine, freedom everywhere. is about the kind of world we want to live in, the world who want to leave to our children.

may god protect the brave ukrainian defenders of their country and keep the flame of liberty burning brightly as we can, thank you. >> mr. president why are you taking this decision now? did germany force you to change your line? it's >> president biden: germany didn't force me to change her mind i wanted to make sure we were all together. that's what we're doing right now, thank you. >> any response to the pen's of documents? >> is a search of your home completed? >> one is he starting at your next chief of staff? >> harris : we wait till the door closes because sometimes president biden will turn around on his heels and take a question or two, he took the first one about the timing of this after some hesitation, weeks of it from germany's chancellor it has now been announced that that government will provide ukraine with a couple of battle tanks. 14 leopard 2 tanks and we will

provide 31 abram tanks to the ukraine. i always love the fact that our guest on the couch today, secretary pompeo, literally has experience in every facet of life. so you were once based in west germany with the second squadron, you were a tank platoon leader. >> mike: for a long time. speech i was going to see you been in an m1 tank tell us what you've done and what this communicates to the american people. >> mike: i will say two things. look, i think this is the right decision. i also think it's also so late. but i guess better now than ever. but we should've done this a while back. we should've been providing ukraine's with the tools they needed and could use. we have to make sure we get them the right training, this is a beast of the m1 tank is incredible powerful beast of an equipment, and the leopard challenger tank is welcome of these are three world-class armaments we need to make sure they have these tools, the only way to bring this to an end is to convince putin the top down my cost is too high. >> harris : we also note we

have brought almost a hundred ukrainian soldiers into the united states recently in oklahoma and we've been training them on air defense systems too. are we in this work? >> mike: they have asked us for equipment, they have asked us for intelligence i hope we are providing that intelligence is well. >> harris : and training. >> mike: and training and repair parts president talked about that a little bit, they haven't asked for 82nd airborne or marine rifle division, they simply said give us what we need to defend europe. that is an important american interests that we do periods >> harris : ukrainian president zelenskyy did want planes at one point. he stopped about that. >> mike: equipment, not people. >> harris : i will pass it on so that the rest of the couch can get their questions and too. the kremlin's warning washington, d.c., that american tanks sent to ukraine will end this is quote, burn. >> mike: i'm sure they will come after this just like they've come after utility facilities, energy facilities, ukrainian civilian apartments,

i'm sure russians will try to take this woman out. that is what this fight will be all about. i'm convinced will be able to put it on the ground and ukrainians will be able to use this effectively. >> harris : we don't have to be on the ground to train and do all of that. no, none of our people. >> mike: no we will do it remotely, i don't know if it's in texas or fort benning, i don't know where the training will take place but they will be able to do it without putting our troops on the ground. >> harris : i'm glad you are here. v5 thanks. >> emily: we are so glad you're here, mr. secretary. digging into how this may be too little too late, white house stands by how it has committed $7 million in support for the ukraine's but as american people 300 days into the warm one zelinski stood before congress in february he stood before the leaders of the e.u. and said this may be the last time you see me alive. he has been clearly imploring the entire globe for aid in very specific ways that it seems his administration never wanted to meet and out to that reporter's

question chancellor comes on board of germany and we had committed a battalion as europe has committed two battalions of tanks, but that will be delayed too. it takes time to train. it takes time to ship. why the cost of our tax dollars have we been giving sort of nuggets this whole time to a tune of a huge amount or we could have provided exactly what zelinski was asking for love and months ago? >> mike: i think they just had this inordinate fear of provocation. my judgment immediately was we knew back in september that he was going to invade, we didn't provide any agreement then, he didn't invade until february. that was an enormous mistake. this is months and months of time. to your point, i don't know when they will get these tanks in the field the british shakes, german taste come american tanks, it will take a little bit. in every day this goes on there is risk that putin does something that prevents more risk to us in the united states. we need to end this thing and the only way to end it is to restore her peace through strength reagan knew it and in my party there are those who think that's a bad idea.

i think they just misunderstand how our adversaries around the world especially in china are watching how america responds when it is threatened and we need to do so quickly and in a way that not only lets ukrainian survive but win. >> harris : if we to to to >> emily: if we continue and we likely will give for this administration do you feel the delay on these responses are your recoverable? >> mike: you can get a backwards hard to get back in the box. i get asked all the time would've happened if you were still there but i can't answer that and i think it's didn't because putin knows when there are strong leaders in the white house and the secretary of state's that these things are just too risky. his perception changed and that's what we need to change and the calculus we have to change and that's all we will preserve what happened to matters to us at home. >> carley: secretary pompeo vladimir putin said he is appointing a new general's to the russian true. that is really bad news for

russia and i think i think a lot of people know this war since it's been playing out 11 months now are not following it nearly as closely as we once were so where are we in this war and where you think it's going? >> mike: so i think i've spoken to the newly appointed leader of the fight in the ukraine. he was the russian leader russian military leader in charge in syria. he was leaving the syrian efforts we are up against them in the euphrates river. i will talk about never giving an inch in my book but in the wagner group these same guys were fighting in the ukraine in syria, came out american soldiers come we took them out. we demonstrated american resolve. i would guess this is what we will have to do. putin will not walk away from this because he changes his mind about greater rush of the desire to rebuild periods he will change his mind because he thinks the cost is too great and we have to oppose the cost. >> harris : anybody in their own country to consider helping him change his mind? >> mike: i'm sure they are.

i'm sure we don't know who it is but the numbers increasing. >> harris : three and a 36 days of the war in ukraine. >> tammy: and remarkable time but we also know there is a story kind of under the radar strangely but has been a concern of the american people regarding corruption in ukraine and being able to track the money, track the equipment and suddenly now there is a story about how they are dealing with generals and money and food and aid were all being redirected so that becomes for the american people as we have an open border here, as inflation continues, gas prices going up again, the wage gap happening rate, inflation overcoming how much wages have gone up and yet we hear every day it's like another 2 billion come another several billion, this, that, and the other. so corruption and at least some clarity about being able to track this money, it seems impossible at this point. would you agree and you've touched on this, that this would not have happened if afghanistan

had not been such a catastrophe and a debacle that that signal to every bad actor of the world now is the time to act, not just russia but china and i want as well? what are your thoughts? >> mike: i completely agree absent the debacle that had 13 americans killed in an guinness income a pollutant doesn't feel if the old southwest airlines line. go free to move about the cabin right? you can't permit that. member he also utter the words will a minor incursion, that might be okay. it seems like a long time ago but these are green lights. if you're vladimir putin it's go time. coming to your other thought, american people are right to be worried about accountability. ukraine indeed has had enormous corruption which we should never forget that. we should track where this goes. the good thing as most of what we are providing them as equipment come we are not sending a lot of money, most of the monies going for food and to help civilians. we should track that, by the way but the way we are providing a think we can keep track of nowhere does come i'm sure some of it will squirrel away but for the most part we can follow this

and we should be fiscally responsible. i'm convinced. i hear some of my colleagues say we need to protect the border, the american board not the ukrainian border, i don't believe these are choices periods america can do these both at the same time. we did both of the same time and we had the southern border and we had europe safe and secure and america's interests secure as well. >> harris : and under the former resident demonstration you were with that was the first president and the 21st century who didn't have an incursion of a country around russia being invaded. >> mike: it could just be a coincidence. >> harris : you know i don't believe in coincidences. >> mike: look, i think was because we were serious perry we did not bar redlines and walk away. by the way we didn't draw a lot of redlines. we made clear about the things we were prepared to defend, that we were not going to give an inch on perry we knew what they were in them if they crossed it we made sure they understood we were serious about it. >> harris : all right, let's

move to this. we are going back now to president biden's document scandal. as we mentioned at the top of the hour, the white house, the stonewalling continuously on the issue and americans want answers. secretary, i want to talk about the first tranche of papers. we can get to every thing else and do all the world of about is him but those first papers at the biden penn center those top-secret markings and federal prosecutor was on last hour, he goes back to those foreign intelligence materials in there. iran, ukraine, china, some are so separate if you just separated outcome of those details seem glaringly important now that it looks like everyone needs to check the closets. >> mike: everyone should check the causes, i handle ten, tens of thousands of classified documents as secretary of state,

we all had responsibility to handle those documents correctly then. if it turns out you screwed up, there's three things from right? put them back, make sure they are in the right spot, second own it don't blame your staff, don't blame you team, don't say you have any regrets. is someone founded classified document in my home i would regret it because i may have put american life at risk. and then, finally, we need to make sure we have processes systems in place that reduce the risk it happens, it's very clear that this problem is too widespread. these tsr commits a particular you were just referring to, this is not just ordinary classified stuff this is stuff about operations and things that really matter. those documents are handled differently than just classified at the most basic level. it seems unimaginable to me that those documents would wander. >> harris : not likely a group of movers who put them wherever they were before the pen biden center would have known how to handle that kind of a thing. >> mike: they would not. >> harris : i'm kind of kidding and i'm absolutely not.

>> mike: i understood the joke, i got it completely, and i'm trying to account for it because it seems unimaginable to me that you would have these are big red borders, it is clear with this is. hard to figure out. >> harris : by markings to meet a big red flag? >> mike: it's a big warning sign, do not trust, it's clear these are not just little words on the bottom. this is something that is on escapable. >> tammy: one point on the bottom. >> mike: this is big stuff. >> emily: you and i spoke during the prior administration about the machine you encountered once that administration was put in the place. my question against that landscape is how has this person meaning our president been enabled for so long because the more we learn about these discoveries of classified documents, the more we learn this was somehow his normal protocol. in stark contrast to national security policy and national

security laws? >> mike: there is no doubt, we called the different things you can call it deep state you can describe it however you like. there is a bureaucracy, washington block, it is a left of center blob at best and it works to undermine conservative leaders when they take office. i saw it, i suffered it, it just makes her life more difficult so we get called out for things that president biden would never get called out for, i got called out for things that abe lincoln will never get called out for and we are held to a different standard. i think the crucified dummy classified documents, i was on the benghazi committee, we found classified information on her server, we try to get information back where it should be and it was handled in a way that was professional. we as conservatives often find it is working in ways that are not what they want us to do, i tried to get the state department to conform when you couldn't fire them with three unions it was stunningly

difficult. >> emily: you say handled, part of what the american people can see so clearly just one day after learning that vice president pence discovered documents at his home is that the doj immediately took those back in stark contrast to their reaction to president biden or his team finding multiple documents and multiple sources in multiple areas like a random closet and random think take from china, exactly. so it seems this blob also extends into the doj. how is that in any way explainable, acceptable for those of us watching you right now whose tax dollars pay salaries of these people? how's that explainable for half of the doj? >> mike: it is unexplained will.director comey politicize e fbi in the justice department today, one of the things that we should have done better in our administration is we didn't get the team on the field quickly

enough. you want your team representing america the way you promised american people you would. we can say what happens as a result of that it makes it more difficult to advance her conservative agenda and you know, liberals want to be part of government, they like it, you fun conservative kids they want to make money, they want to be pastors and priests and they want to do really good and important work on the left into his government so they end up occupying too much of it and it's a one-way ratchet that works against the american people. >> harris : i say you can use faith everywhere. >> mike: amen. amen. >> harris : coming up speaker kevin mccarthy removed democrats from house committees and now they are responding calling it peer political vengeance, their feelings are hurt, that's next. - two - when the national debt was larger than gross domestic product? world war ii - and right now.

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eric swalwell from the house until committee. he removed ilhan omar from foreign affairs, omar small well and shift ripping mccarthy for his decision earlier this morning. >> this is an unfair smear by mr. mccarthy but that is what he traffics in. >> it's about revenge, it's about appeasing the former president. >> this is about political vengeance. >> emily: is it? because he is defending his decision saying it's about congressman adam schiff and you'll see in this exchange with a reporter exactly why and how he defends it. >> you didn't answer my que question. [speaking over each other] >> you ask me a question perry when i answer is the answer. you don't get to determine whether i answered her. okay? thank you. no, no, no, let's answer question. you just raised a question i'll be very clear.

you know why? because what happens in the intel committee you don't know. what happens in the intel committee all the secrets going on in the world of the members congress don't know. what did adam schiff do as chairman? what adam schiff did using his power as chairman and lied. >> emily: mr. secretary and then he went on to say a whole lot more and i felt it was fantastic. he was underscoring the fact that in stark contrast to his prior behavior, what goes on in the intel committee is actually sacred but has a sacred purpose which is protecting national security perry what say you about the speakers decisions? >> mike: i had the incredible privilege to serve on that committee. it covers most classified most difficult stuff that every member of congress gets to see the information the intelligence committee sees. adam schiff lied to the american people and during my time i know he leaked classified information. the fact that adam schiff was

the chairman almost ruined that committee, it serves incredibly important function to the american people. >> mccarthy got this one is at the right. adam schiff should not be seen classified information. >> emily: given he leaked information that is a felony up to treason, why was a no accountability for the millions of people watching, how is that been allowed to go further let alone giving him fodder to complain about being removed from committee? >> mike: it's a difficult process and it's difficult to point what came down but when we provided information to him and his staff and ended up in places that should not have been with alarming regularity. we can see it so in the end i decided i held back information from that of him as a result because i didn't have confidence and provided that information which was my obligation to work with the congressional branch, to work with them, i didn't feel comfortable we could do that. so i've been troubled by mr. by his behavior, he told the american people that there's more to know about the russian

hoax, we suffered 2.5 years, there's more to come, he knew it wasn't true. he went after devin nunes in ways that were indecent when he knew what representative nunez had written was true, that was a whopper and when you can't manage both classified information and the truth. you should be allowed. >> harris : i feel that we are learning for the person with more specificity what you are talking about. i don't know what i say this, it's true, listening to speaker mccarthy just moments ago it's like he read your book never give an inch. that is exactly where you say you want him to be with regard to this. and now with certainty till you've given us there we clearly understand why. >> mike: it's every member's duty to protect that information just like vice presidents, you have to take this possibility seriously great if you don't want the responsibility don't take the information but when you do you have an obligation to keep her in the right place. i wash the house of intelligence committee under the leadership,

i watched him denigrate and lower its ability to actually perform its function perry when he was out talking about the russia hoax going on to say the hunter biden laptop was russian disinformation, knowing it almost certainly was not, that is indecent and dangerous and it affects every american. >> mike: it's hard to know what's worse. >> harris : it's hard to know what's worse with so many declassified documents that we don't know all the materials because the story is not over yet with those special top-secret markings that were among what were picked up in biden's possession in one of the locations in the pen biden center. it's hard to know if that is worse or if there was an intel's chairman who was willing to leak and lie as you say. >> mike: yeah. >> harris : because it's all classified. >> mike: it is. i remember clearly january 62017 we have been talking about the other gender, gender 62017 i was in a meeting, i was a congressman i was called to trump tower for a meeting were

comay brennan and clapper told the president of the united states he was a russian asset. largely based on the steele dossier and we can now see as we peel back the onion they had violated basic analytic protocols to reach that conclusion and at some point they came to know what was nonfoundational that they couldn't verify a single thing in that dossier. that harmed our capacity to perform or function, the president to do his duty and me to do mind when you have this cloud over your head and you travel around the world and they say will you still be there a secretary? the president is about to get impeached ray still going to be the secretary two or three months from now? that was indecent and adam schiff was at the center of that on every sunday show telling the american people wait, there's more. turns out not only was there not more but there was less. >> harris : i love how you put it, nonfoundational he what we call a liberia >> mike: exec lay right. i guess i was a diplomat too long. >> harris : perfect. that is your role. >> emily: you talk about the erosion of the committee hopefully now with these new appointments and the removal of those appointments, we will look

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people are paying tax dollars to the city leaders why should they pay would little is left of their income to stay safe? >> harris : the problem i see and you covered it on "fox & friends" first was that bodega owner in the new york area. who tried to defend because he needed to do the same thing, protected store from shoplifters and crime and all of that. and then he gets the short end of the legal stick and get sent to rikers when he defends himself and got injured while in rikers. a really bad infection and things happened to him but eventually went for a. those the things i think of. i see they are desperate, here. but i worry about people becoming vigilantes in a sense and they've hired some people but the bodega owner, the cops are the experts in this and i worry where we are going here. >> emily: they are desperate like harris said. >> carley: i think it's so valuable to continue to tell

stories of things that happen several months ago because it is such a busy new cycle we tend to forget. and one of them is in houston this is going on right now. there are bar owners that are sleeping in their bars because they continually get broken i into. instead of going home after a busy day at work they bring in air mattresses with a gun and they are protecting their own property. we have gone so full-circle that it is like the wild, wild west again. crime laws are so lax that citizens are being forced to defend their own property in their own businesses. another thing that is so sad is who is coming these crimes and a lot of times it's children. the number of children that have committed homicide under the age of 14 the highest in the last two decades and there was a prompt to mike bronx d.a. that says the tragedy here is that we are talking about gunmen, you can't even say it's a gunman because it's a 14 and 15-year-old. >> mike: gun child. >> emily: but in new york state the penalty is 3-9 years. the maximum they can ever get for a murder even if it's

manslaughter intentional is still nine years because we have deemed them a child. that's part of the law bill reform. >> carley: they go to family court now not regular court. >> tammy: if i can add the gains know this so if you're looking especially in california children will not be arrested or will be taken to juvenile and will be released. they were to crewed the teenagers, they recruit the miners to commit some of the most heinous crimes because they will be released, they will not face the same problems and then of course the other victims. these kids going in and they have no real, you know, decision-making capacity. going into a bar or into a place where there is a man with a gun sleeping on an air mattress, that person's life is also ruined so the people who are victimized first our young people of color, young people who are moved by the left or by gangs or by democrats who tell them the signal from society that there is no law and order, there is no repercussions. all of these lives are ruined and it goes right back down to

policy of the democrats in this country. >> harris : but i understand the man on the floor with the gun. i understand that. you want to protect your livelihood and the people that you care about. you are workers. i mean look at some of these places that are having to hire professionals, we hope, may be off-duty cops, to protect, look at walgreens. i mean you go in there and everything is under lock and key. >> carley: it's the worst. >> mike: harris, you nailed it. this is the responsibility of local government to keep their people say periods when you talk about police if they are evil who will sign up? i was in wichita, kansas, a few years ago they are having issue in the wichita police department hiring folks because we have told these folks they are bad, it is dangerous, we punish them if they make a mistake that even as an innocent mistake, we need to reward these men and women we need to build police forces they have a responsibility to keep us safe. i understand private citizens doing it i have an arsenal myself, we need to make sure.

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>> mike: we try to give you themes on periods >> harris : we try to give your theme on, former secretary of state mike o has a new book out, "never given inch," ever! emily says "ever" is the sequel. eight goes with a peak on world leaders and it dives into his time as america's most senior diplomat. "never give an inch" and what did you not give an inch on? >> mike: on the thing that really matter to every america from arizona to iowa, there are things you can compromise on like my son going to bed at eight 8:00 and i give him 8:02 when he wants 8:30, but when you are protecting america and trying to make a prosperous,

free nation you cannot give any room because both the progressive left here at home and our adversaries or will as we talked about in afghanistan and the ukraine they will see that weakness and they will drive a truck through it. >> emily: secretary there's a theme of religious freedom is well highlighted in your book, tells little about that. >> mike: as an evangelical christian i have this responsibility, it helped me secretary of state nci director because there was no something bigger than me, but we also knew that nations that were more free that allowed people to worship in their own country were less likely to present risk to americans at home. so while we were out doing all of the things we needed to do that was the american heart power, i also spent a lot of time working with church leaders in the catholic church, the orthodox church of the ukraine to help build their institutions inside of their own country and when countries did not have religious freedom we called them out on it every time. it was really important work. >> carley: so may questions, where to begin, well if you do run for president you could be running against her former boss.

trump and pentz. >> mike: i heard he is in the race. >> carley: things get ugly in these races, does that give you any hesitation? >> mike: no. event in that space a lot, i have pretty thick skin. it's not the ugliness for me that i worry about, but i do hope for the american people it is not ugly. i hope for the american people everybody who puts themselves forward and that's not just presidential races, that city council and everything, i hope they will speak honestly and sincerely and when you don't know the answer to say i don't know. but with clarity will lay out your vision for how to make life better for them. less name-calling, a lot more sound arguments made will make for a bigger campaign and a better america. >> harris : do you want to run for president? >> mike: i don't know yet. i want to make sure get the best person as a president of the united states america my wife susan and i will pray and try to figure it out the next few months and make the case and you will know pretty quick because i'll be in dubuque, it

des moines, cedar rapids and all of those wonderful places. >> tammy: what adds to the issue of the question is with all we discussed the horribleness of washington on the ugliness of it come the, making stuff up, people's will paves at stake, you are a man of faith into diplomat and really it is a wrestling match sometimes. it is wwe. is it possible when you think about being a decent person and you think about being able to be that decent person and taking it into the arena and dealing with people who are not fair and will lie can any decent person succeed in that? >> mike: well if i get in the race i will test the theory. if i make that decision i will try to still be decent. anybody who is watching me, and my wife is watching, telling the truth, mike, i can throw bombs

with the rest of them. but i always tried to and i didn't always succeed with their things i looked at and i say i was hired had done it differently i always try to focus not on the people, not to be personal, but to talk about the policies and their failures and why they don't work for america. when you do that you can be firm, you don't have to give an inch, you don't have to pretend, you don't have to gild the lily, you can be fierce. >> tammy: and deliver in the book which gives examples. >> mike: you can deliver, get those good outcomes. you don't have to be weak but at the same time i see some of this and it just gets personal and that avoids what really matters for the american people. >> harris : love it. and i love what you say about faith. you can do it all. warriors believe there something greater. >> mike: they absolutely believe. >> harris : you talk about fighting for the america you love. the book is "never give an inch," ever! >> emily: with a very special person that wrote the forward. >> mike: my son wrote it.

other side it should be in dr. kissinger but instead it's my son, nick. >> harris : special shout out to nick and susan today, we are glad your wife is watching. more "outnumbered" in a moment. congrats on the book. ♪ ♪ to conquer the high road, or the off road. ♪ the gmc sierra heavy duty. premium and capable. step up to gmc with 3.9% apr for 5 years on sierra heavy duty models. we... are professional grade. gmc.

is your captain speaking. welcome to basic fighting maneuvers. dogfighting, guns only, no missiles. not below the hard deck of 5,000 feet. working as a team, you have to shoot me down or else. >> or else what, sir? >> so what say you put some skin in the game? >> what do you have in mind?

>> whoever is shot down first has to do 200 push-ups. >> guys, that's a lot of push-ups. >> don't call it exercise for nothing. >> got yourself a deal, gentlemen. lights on. turn and burn. >> tom cruise can finally win his first oscar for last year's pro american blockbuster top gun maverick, after decades of missing the mark, his latest sequel has soared to new heights, a best picture nomination as picture. film dominated the box office, raking in nearly $1.5 billion. you saw it tons of times in theaters, i'm responsible for half the bill. his last oscar bid was more than two decades ago. mr. secretary, what say you. >> they got some of my money, too. i actually enjoyed it. i viewed it for the popcorn american patriotism i hoped it would be. i enjoyed the first one. a young soldier, young cadet when the first one came out, and

i watched the second one with a beer, too, a lot of fun. >> and i have the original on vhs, i'll never give up. >> i had posters, everything. i mean -- and now, of course, i'm married, that would be awkward. but i'm excited for him. i mean, i hope it wins best picture, i really do, and he should never give an inch. >> i agree. >> thank you for being with us today, secretary. so excited about your book. can't wait to read it. "never give an inch," thanks to everyone, don't forget to dvr the show, and now here is "america reports." >> sandra: thank you, ladies. controversial new gun law in illinois facing serious backlash. critics arguing the sweeping ban goes way too far. and now one sheriff from a county just outside chicago is taking things a step further. >> james mendrick says it violates second amendment rights. we will ask him about the gun

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