give us some details about the negotiations behind the scenes with the europeans. >> talk behind the scenes at the podium. >> especially what type of conversations have there been with the european union, the government of spain. >> the discussions have been very robust with our european allies and partners again for many weeks here and certainly discussion today the president had with his counterparts in the u.k., france, germany, and italy, was again, very productive, very candid. it all -- all these leaders are rightly focused on doing what they can to help ukraine and rightly focused on the future and i can't speak for spanish-decision making here, spain obviously has been a contributor and supporter of spain, and always welcome, and the president addressed some of their contributions today and we

look forward to working closely with spain going forward. >> james in the back. >> i'm sorry -- ok. >> i have a question, thank you. >> wait, wait, wait, you don't have a question, james? are you kidding me? are you kidding me? >> can we just have this for the record -- you didn't have a question. >> i'm going to frame that transcript. >> simply a tribute to your loclasity and el -- >> if russia strikes nato, poland or the baltics, nato, do you have enough troops in the region right now to respond, and from day one, not five months

ahead, and the second question would be many of those who called for sending leonards and abrams to ukraine argued that russia right now is too weakened to -- militarily too weakened to respond conventionally in a significant way. how confident are you in this assessment that russia is so weak, or maybe you have a different assessment, but many people think russia is too weak to respond in a significant way to the move that was just announced about tanks? >> let me take the second one first. there's no question that russia's military is weaker today than it was 11 months ago. when you talk about the resources and the casualties that they have sunk into this unprovoked war of theirs and

literally thousands of missiles and rockets and now drones that they have launched into ukrainian territory, they have burned through a lot of inventory and suffered a lot of casualties, killed and wounded, so no question their military is weaker for putin's folly here. that said you don't have to look very far, just the news coverage to see the russian military and their thugs are still pretty lethal because the ukrainians continue to day every day. so if you were to ask a ukrainian how weak is russia, i don't think they would tell you there is not still fight left there and that's why we are so focused on making sure that ukraine can defend itself and have the capabilities to fight back, and to succeed on the

battlefield. on your first question, all i can tell you is we have seen no indication there are designs on striking nato territory and president biden has said since the very beginning of this conflict that we take our article 5 commitments to nato seriously, article 5 of course is the notion that an attack on one is attack on all. and we take that seriously. in fact, we take it so seriously the president ordered 20,000 american troops alone on the european continent and they still are there. we'll be rotating them in and out but the net number of 100,000 american troops on the ukrainian continent has stayed the same and will stay the same for the foreseeable future. make no mistake, the security environment in europe has changed. not is changing, not will change, it has changed because of what mr. putin did and the

united states anted up for that, and how we take our responsibilities to the article 5 commitments and mr. putin needs to understand that. >> do you have enough troops, many countries sent tanks and missile systems to ukraine. >> we are sending missile systems and tanks as well. every nation is making the best decision they can but they also have sovereign responsibilities to their citizens to defend their countries, so they are all making that calculus, as are we. i can tell you that from our perspective, i can't speak for every nato ally, we are confident that we have the capability, the energy, the talent, the man power, the resources to meet our article 5 commitments to our nato allies. >> are there any signs of a nuclear -- >> two questions about china, first karine told us the u.s. has been communicating with

china about the implications of helping russia. can you tell us what china's response was to u.s. communication and if china continues to provide economic support and including by selling nonlethal military aid to russia, would the u.s. impose stronger measures than just communicate. >> i won't get ahead of decisions that have not been made and not going to detail diplomatic conversations. we have been very clear publicly and certainly clear in private settings with chinese leaders that we don't believe now is the time for business as usual with russia and we want to see every nation sign up to the strict sanctions regime and abide by those sanctions, meet those sanctions and do nothing to support russia. now, every country makes their decisions for themselves, just like i said before and china is going to have choices that they are going to have to continue to make here about what side they

want to be on. we know they are still buying russian oil, for instance. and it's not clear, you know, whether they will abide by the cap, but this is the time for the international community and seeing so much in the decision to really continue to rally around ukraine and to make the right decisions. >> so china has been saying that there is 70k covid deaths in just over a month, up from the dozens reported earlier this month. does the u.s. believe the new number by the chinese government saying 70k. >> the chinese that we have continued to encourage the chinese to be cooperative with international reviews and studies about covid and they have not been fully transparent, and we cannot speak to the veracity of the numbers. we urge china to be fully

transparent about what is going on. >> ma'am, i have to move on. >> if, back to the timeline if i may, you say it's going to take many months for all the tanks to be delivered. taking a step back, should americans see that as a sign of a harsh reality that this war is nowhere near from over? >> i think we need to prepare ourselves that -- to continue to have to continue to support ukraine for quite some time. i can't be perfectly predictive on that, and i obviously, you heard the president say this today, we would like to see this war end today and it absolutely could. all putin has to do is pull his troops out of ukraine, call it a day and it's over. but he has shown no signs of being willing to do that. and so we have to make sure that ukraine can succeed on the battlefield to succeed is he negotiating table and it's difficult to be able to predict how long this is going to go on but we have to be prepared and

this is i think to get to your question, i can't tell the american people exactly how long it's going to take. we have to be prepared to stay at this task of supporting ukraine as the president said for as long as it takes. with the expectation clearly that we want it to end quickly, we want it to end now. but again, we just have to -- we have to stay at that task and there's been terrific bipartisan support here in town, bicameral support here in town by support to ukraine and the american people have been supportive of this, they understand what's at stake and it's obviously ukrainian sovereignty and ukrainian lives but it's bigger than that. it's about the principle of sovereignty. >> also been bipartisan outrage and frustration over the last few days that there are just more and more disclosures of classified documents showing up in places where they were not supposed to be. from a national security perspective, you work in national security, how concerned are you and does the system need

reform? >> i'm going to defer most of the document questions to karine. the only thing i say here is that -- you are welcome. >> thank you. [laughter] >> obviously the president, you've heard karine say, he takes the treatment of classified materials seriously, i can assure you everybody here does too and the national security council staff, we know what the rules are, we follow the rules, and the procedures exist for a reason and they have been developed over many, many years as the nature of classified material has changed down to now including electronic capability, and so we are working at that very, very hard. i don't have any changes to speak to. the process of classified material handling, you know, not process, but guidelines change as technology changes and we are

always reviewing those procedures to make sure they are appropriate. >> is there a problem with overclassification of documents? >> i think it's always a balance and you are always trying to meet that balance about whether things are classified appropriately. and the intelligence community works at this, obviously we work at this. i wouldn't go so far as to slap a band aid on and say yeah, everything is overclassified, but it's a balance that we try to strike to make sure that everything is appropriately marked and appropriately handled, but you know, it varies from document to document and from issue to issue. >> quick one on germany. at any point during the conversations with germany did they make the leopard deployment contingent on the u.s. sending the abrams and can you give us some sense of what led to the joint decision, i mean, i'm trying to understand you then want to send the tanks and decided to send the tanks. what happened. >> things were never off the table, we have not been anything but honest and transparent about

the particular challenges of the abrams, which -- those challenges still exist. i mean, it is still going to require a unique supply chain and maintenance requirements and jet fuel. all of that stuff is still valid, the decision was the discussions with the germans and allies and partners about what ukraine is going to need going forward and how we can all best address that. >> a couple more. >> question on -- >> go ahead, michael. >> to operate the tank, what is involved in that, how long do you think it would take the ukrainians to get up to speed, where would it start, ukraine or somewhere else. >> we are still working through the details of that and i'll refer you to the defense department for more granularity. training will not occur in ukraine but they have not landed

a location for where that would take place. but it won't be inside ukraine, clearly. and they will run ambitious training program for them as we have on every other system. the patriot battery training is ongoing right now at fort sill, oklahoma, and they have been able to accelerate parts of that, to get ukraines trained up on it, a pace faster than we would do, because the need is there, and expect the pentagon will take the same approach training on the abrams. how long it's going to take i am not able to say. they are working their way through that. we don't think that it will take too much longer, you know, i would say probably, you know, weeks not months before they are able to really nail down the details of this and start to put it in place, the training regimen. >> john, how hard is it to walk

out of a scif with classified material? >> everybody who goes in to a scif knows what the requirements are. to go in, and knows what the requirements are to go out. you know, can't bring personal devices in, and you certainly can't leave with material unless that material is appropriately secured. >> and usually what happens to someone in the chain of command if they do leave with a piece of classified material that they are not supposed to have, or that is not secured? >> i think -- if you do it inadvertently or you do it and realize, you don't have it secured in a locked bag, you self-report, which is exactly what the president did, self-reported. but you self-report and you make

sure that you get the material back secured where it belongs and that you are transparent about it. >> two more questions. alex in the back. >> trace: john kirby answered questions for the better part of 30 minutes there, most of the questions were about giving these tanks to ukraine, 31 tanks. you see peter doocy, sandra, brought in the question about the classified documents at the end asking simply how hard is it to get classified documents out of a scif, and what happens if you do bring them out of a scif and his response to that was well, you self-report and the president self-reported, of course he left out the fact the president self-reported six years after the fact, seven years after the fact. but i found fascinating about the military discussion, sandra, he's talking about a protracted war, nothing is off the table. it was always off the table or at least no, we didn't want to give fighter jets and now everything appears to be on the table as this war in ukraine

goes forward. it's fascinating insight into what's happening behind the scenes at the pentagon and the white house. >> quoting kirby directly on the abrams tanks going into ukraine, you don't go after an alligator with a corn stalk, he was also questioned about misuse or corruption when it comes to military aid we have sent into ukraine. he was asked have you seen any evidence of misuse so far, he said no. so that was the case there. obviously a lot of challenges to the level to which we are sending in aid. mike pompeo joined us on this program yesterday, he was making the case to continue to send ukraine anything they ask for. we'll ask arkansas republican senator tom cotton about that. he is joining us now. we are going to continue, by the way, to monitor the briefing. kirby is taking the questions, and karine jean-pierre will brief in a moment, and dip back in as the news warrants. senator, you were listening to what you heard from kirby out of

the white house. your response to the administration really defending this decision to continue to send in massive amounts of aid to ukraine. >> sandra, it's a welcome decision that president biden and germany have decided to finally provide these tanks to ukraine but it's long overdue. it also continues a pattern since before the war started of president biden being scared of his own shadow. declining the military support that the ukrainian army needs first to deter the war from starting in the first place and the second to defend ukrainian territory and fight back of russia's unprovoked war of aggression, and not providing the tanks months ago, as you have seen time and time again the last year, the administration explains a weapon system or intelligence would be dangerously escalatory or provocative, only to provide it months later, too late to stop further advances or facilitate

further ukrainian advances. what we need to end the war, stop it from being protracted or bloodier, back the ukraine army to the hilt to defend their own territory. >> trace: and the briefing, the question was asked what's next, what about fourth generation fighter jets and he said i'm not going to comment on that, meaning it appears everything is on the table and we are not talking about that 11 months ago, and now suddenly we are talking about the possibility of more equipment going over there. >> yeah, and trace, in some ways back to the obama-biden era. 2014 when russia first invaded ukraine, ukraine pleaded for javelins and president obama refused to give them. we started giving them on president trump, thankfully held off the initial attack on kyiv, and over the last year things have been ruled off the table

and then back on the table. last february the secretary of state said poland could provide jets to ukraine, and immediately president biden intervened and said no, dangerously escalatory. those kind of attack aircraft or for that matter longer range missiles that could attack some of the missile sites across the border, just across the ukrainian-russian border that are devastating women and children across ukraine should have been sent months ago. the reason why the war has gone on for 11 months, and why it started from the beginning, is president biden's timid decisions and often times tardy decisions to provide ukraine's army the weapons it needs to defend its own territory. >> sandra: i want to remind our viewers, we had mike pompeo on the program just yesterday. he is tweeting today the fastest way to defeat russia and end this war is give ukraine the weapons it needs. he said something very similar when he sat down here yesterday. mike pompeo, listen. >> we should be doing everything

the ukrainians are asking us to do. they have not asked for soldiers or the 82nd airborne, simply said provide us the stuff we need and it's their lives at risk and the biden administration is afraid to win, afraid to provide the tools they need to be successful. >> sandra: senator, john kirby was asked this question about whether or not they brief russia, sensing this is an immediate provocation, whether or not they are going to immediately escalate things and how ready we are as far as our nato allies and the ability to bring in troops immediately. where do you stand on that? do you believe this is an immediate provocation, see russia stepping in sooner rather than later? >> the provocation was when russia launched an unprovoked war of aggression into ukraine. i've heard this excuse from biden administration officials since last january, whether it's in public hearings, or classified settings leaders of

the department of defense and intelligence agencies have said we cannot provide this or that intelligence, russia would view it as dangerously escalatory or provocative. russia has in taken the steps and then we do provide it. if we had taken the steps from he beginning, it might have stopped or never started in the first place. >> sandra: breaking news out of the white house. karine jean-pierre is taking questions whether or not all presidents should have their homes, their private homes swept for classified documents, i believe she's answering a similar question now. >> legislation, remember it is a bipartisan piece of legislation he is committed to really tackling climate change by making sure we are moving forward one of the processes with electric vehicles. i don't have anything specific to say about this particular action. >> one last thing. any updates on when speaker

mccarthy may be coming to visit? >> the president is very much looking forward to meeting with speaker mccarthy. we have not locked anything in yet. they have a working relationship as we have said before, they want to continue and build on that relationship, don't have anything here to share, you know, we are expected, they are expected to talk on a range of issues when we have locked in that meeting, we certainly will let you all know. >> thanks, karine. another question about senator manchin. he had a meeting with the house speaker and reportedly said after the meeting that he wants the white house to negotiate over cutting spending in exchange for raising the debt limit. >> sandra: ok, we are continuing to monitor this press briefing at the white house there, trace. i don't know the answer to that question, we are getting it right now how she answered that. as we have seen in recent days she has not given any new information on this growing document scandal and obviously this is happening after the fact that former vice president mike pence also revealed that

documents were found in his private home there in indiana, so the question from the reporter was whether or not all of our past presidents and vice presidents who should be doing a sweep of their homes -- i believe former president obama was asked about this and did not answer a question about it, i guess it's reasonable at this point. >> we have heard over and over again karine jean-pierre say i have to direct you towards special counsel, direct you towards special counsel, that is the only comment the white house has given on this matter in the past couple of days. if we can bring back in arkansas republican senator tom cotton. hear this, it's always, always, have to refer you to special counsel, very few answers and the questions are mounting as we, you know, we talk about former vice president mike pence and now the former president donald trump, the president joe biden, all of these documents, how they get out, how in the world can they get out of the

scif and move from place to place and what documents actually did these people take away and how important were they. >> trace, obviously the white house used the special counsel to president biden as a shield to not answer questions. no one has ever blocked answering questions, the department of justice and fbi is not supposed to be leaking to the media, although they do often as the case of president trump, but the white house is more than free to answer the questions, they just don't want to. they are uncomfortable questions for president biden. as far as searching the homes of former presidents and vice presidents, the fbi already raided mar-a-lago where president trump lives and i was informed when mike pence had voluntarily directed his home to be searched and reported he had information yesterday, the fbi was on the premises by last night. that's a very far cry from what happened to president biden, i think gets to one of the most troubling parts of this question which is the double standard the

department of justice and fbi seems to be applying not just to president biden on the one hand and president trump and vice president pence on the other hand, but to normal americans. if you are a pro life activist and sing hymns in front of an abortion clinic they put you on trial. and there is a double standard very troubling to most americans. >> sandra: a last question on that, john kirby at the white house also senator a moment ago was asked about overclassification and whether or not is a problem. we have heard this debate a lot in recent days. kirby said "it's always a balance and you are always trying to meet that balance whether things are classified appropriately. i wouldn't go so far to slap a band aid on it yet and says everything is over -- and he said everything is overclassified." similar to mike pompeo when he joined us yesterday.

is this something that needs to be addressed? >> it does, sandra. i can tell you as a member of the senate intelligence committee i see a lot of documents badly overclassified, sometimes i point them out to intelligence officials and say this is classified but having a trouble finding a secret in the document. can you point it out to me. that said, it does not mean all documents are overclassified. the government has some extraordinarily sensitive secrets and information and they should be handled with care. what we should have had is the fbi becoming the enforcement arm of a bunch of left wing librarians at the national archives as opposed to dealing with president trump exactly the way they dealt with president biden, and past presidents, which is working a cooperative fashion to make sure there's been no endangerment to the national security with mishandling of the classified documents. >> trace: senator, the border now, it's clear the cartels are dominating the southern border

with the drugs and trafficking and smuggling, and california cartels have gotten a stronghold in these actual states. what are your thoughts about this push by some republican house members to take action, to have the president take some action down there on the border specifically based on how powerful the cartels have become? >> we lost almost 110,000 americans to drug deaths last year, trace, and almost all the drugs are coming from mexico. it's not just a border crisis. it's a crisis facing every community and every family across the state of arkansas and across this nation. the president's recent decision to help process and expedite almost 400,000 illegals in the country does nothing to stop the flow of illegal migrants and therefore the flow of drugs, probably facilitates it. i would say to all your viewers, if al-qaeda or isis set up shop in monterrey or juarez and responsible for more than 100,000 deaths in every year,

what would you demand the government do. that's what we should do to the cartels. >> sandra: senator, i want to draw the viewers' attention to the screen, the video, it's difficult to look at, it's difficult to see, i mean, you are talking about 396 haitian migrants cramming on the 50 foot boat, i assume you have seen this by now. they found it near the bahamas, the u.s. coast guard did. they intercepted that boat between florida and cuba. these migrants taking an incredibly dangerous journey. this happened on saturday. and we see journeys like this continue, senator. i wanted to get your reaction to that. >> well, when you invite hundreds of thousands of illegal migrants to enter your country, whether it's over the mexican border or this, it's true anywhere in the world, for

instance, during the european migrant crisis in 2015. if you accept migrants like this without record to laws you only get more of it, and i don't see how it's a moral decision, how it should be respected and encouraged because you are simply incentivizing them to make the dangerous journey. sadly, many will end up dying on the journey. in mexico, end up being exploited and raped or human trafficked. that's why it's so important we get control of the border not only for our own sake but for stability and order in latin america, which directly affects our safety here in america. >> trace: senator, you look at the boat here and all the people were taken to the bahamas and all repatriated, sort of like the wet foot/dry foot policy of the 1990s, all the the haitians on the way to the florida keys have been sent back and yet all

the haitians who have gone to the southern border, at least the vast majority of the haitians who have gone to the southern border are allowed in. so it's this policy that does not make any sense from the administration. >> in fact, trace, only encourages and even more dangerous trip from people, from countries like haiti. obviously it's a longer journey to get to mexico than it is to get to american soil. now, there is a difference between haiti and cuba from back in the days, of course, marxist governments oppress their people and political opponents, haiti is a poor and trouble and dangerous nation. they are not criteria to be admitted into the united states. in contrast from people persecuted because of religion or political views or race. that's what joe biden needs to enforce, that's in the law. if we don't, all we do is encourage more heartbreaking journeys.

>> sandra: and the haitians have a spike in gang violence in their home country, deepening political instability. they are fleeing extremely awful conditions as it was and we are watching that, that video is really something. you see children laying across all of those people, most of whom have to stand because they are so crammed oiate you joinin, sir, and thanks for sticking with us through the briefing at the white house. >> thank you both. >> sandra: a win for florida governor ron desantis in his war on woke after he exposed what's really being taught in one a.p. history class, but not before top democrats tried to spin that story. >> if you think about the study of black americans that is what he wants to block. >> sandra: all right, will cain and jessica tarlov on the other side of the break. >> trace: the white house and house republicans in the standoff over the debt ceiling. we'll talk to larry kudlow about

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>> sandra: after nine months and dozens of incidents the fbi finally' rested and a grand jury indicted two activists accused of attacking pro life facilities in florida. the assaults coming after the leaked roe v. wade draft decision. david spunt is live at the justice department with the latest. did the fbi see more attacks on pro life or pro choice organizations? >> since the leaking of this supreme court draft opinion, according to the fbi, 70% of the abortion-related violence was towards pro life centers, pro life pregnancy centers. this is a big concern for the fbi. we have two arrests in florida, for three different centers

attacked and vandalized back in may and june of last year. a few days after the supreme court overturned roe v. wade. some phrases, your time is up, if abortions are not safe neither are you. they are both facing federal charges for violating the face act. 28-year-old crime to use force or injure or intimidate anyone seeking abortion services or pro life counseling services. last year doj indicted 26 people for attacking pro choice establishments like abortion clinics. last calendar year, not anyone who attacked pro life pregnancy centers but that changed yesterday. fbi upwarded reward amounts in cases of 25,000 apiece. the indictments not a direct result of the surveillance release and money release from the fbi but authorities are hopeful to catch more.

they face up to 12 years in jail. $350,000 in fines. if anyone has information on any abortion-related violence on either side of the issue, go to www.tips.fbi.gov. sandra. >> sandra: ok. on that story for us, david spunt live at the doj. thank you very much, david. >> trace: a major win when it comes to educating children. college board behind the saturday and advance placement tests is revising an african-american studies program. after desantis rejected the course, many said he was banning african american studies but desantis says that is not the case and the course in question was teaching controversial topics under the guise of history. let's bring in our panel, jessica tarlov, fox news contributor and co-host of "the five," and will cain, co-host of

"fox & friends" weekend. what the florida department of education took issue with in this proposed curriculum. the following here, jessica, intersectionality and activist, black queer studies, movement for black lives, black feminist literary thought, reparations, black study and the black struggle in the 21st century. which of those deals with black history and really should be taught in schools, do you think? >> well, i would certainly think black activism is a big part of black history, what were the 1960s all about, mlk, one of the greatest activists in american history, i don't think you can go after that. and this is not a win for ron desantis. review of the course dates back to march 2022, they started revising this pilot program as they do with every single pilot program. that's before he even uttered the words a.p. african american history. this is something that was procedural. i understand that there are objections to some aspects of this course but when you look at the words up there, what's wrong

with black queer history or i forget the one about black feminist literary voices, toni morrison, someone like a toni morrison, maya angelou, why should they not be taught. >> the florida board of education thinks it should not be taught. and what happened in this bill is the same parental rights and education or the don't say gay bill. is that the left demonized it, mischaracterized and a lot of play out of it. your thoughts. >> those are best illustrated by the words of karine jean-pierre you just played that florida has now banned study of black history, blatantly false and if you had a strong position you would not feel the need to characterize and be clear lie about your opponent's position. the position of ron desantis, and by extension the voters of florida who have voted him in

overwhelmingly once again, they don't want critical race theory taught in their school. what's interesting about the a.p. course for the entirety of the last year or two, no, no, critical race theory, what are you talking about, that's law school stuff and here in the a.p. course there are books, there is studies by kimberly crenshaw, one of the originators of critical race theory, it's very blatant. intersectionality, jessica asked what is wrong with black queer theory. the answer to the question, jessica, not simply teaching history, indoctrination in how you view history. you view history through identity and victimhood and intersectionality and that's what the parents and the people of florida, and by extension, ron desantis, want in their state. >> this sound bite, ron desantis. >> the state of florida our education standards not only don't prevent but they require teaching black history, all the important things. this course on black history,

what is one of the lessons about? queer theory. who would say an important part of black history is queer theory. that is somebody pushing an agenda on our kids. >> trace: you would argue that it is, jessica. your thoughts. >> i want to see what the revisions are to the curriculum and that's going on since march of 2022, see where it shakes out. i'm not for a ban on revising curriculums or looking into these things, but i think that harold ford, jr., my liberal colleague on "the five" brought up an excellent point. florida is 34th in education in the country. ron desantis going after crt, not taught on the k-12 level by the way is not really doing a lot to improve those standards. sarah huckabee sanders was on fox news sunday with shannon bream, her first action was to ban crt, something again not taught. rank 42nd in education.

glenn youngkin had to close down the crt tip line because there were no tips, it's not happening. >> trace: and california ranks 48th, and spend more per student, and ron desantis was handed 34th, he's trying to improve that. >> he won re-election, right, unless i'm hallucinating. >> the idea that critical race theory is not taught on the k-12 level is gaslighting at the highest. a subject where it's thoroughly embedded in a course in high school, that's what we are talking about. undeniable, using the authors of critical race theory. and listen, my suggestion is if you have a state that is 34th or 48th, maybe don't burn up resources and time on queer black theory and focus in on math, english. >> trace: and we have to go. will cain, jessica tarlov, thank

you both. sandra. >> i have no intention of letting the republicans wreck our economy. >> maga republicans apparently want t fight for the privileged few, wealthy, well-off and well connected. cut social security, do they want to cut medicare, cut veterans benefits, do they want to cut police, do they want to cut food for needy kids? what's your plan? >> sandra: the fight over raising the debt ceiling. safe to say it's been heating up. house republicans will not make a move unless democrats agree to spending cuts and so far the white house is refusing to entertain any such idea, and results the default would be disastrous for the economy. larry, spell that out. >> biden and the democrats are incapable of telling the truth about the story. i had kevin mccarthy on last night, the new house speaker, i asked him directly, directly,

you can look it up, it's on the website. do you intend to cut social security, do you intend to cut medicare, no, no. do you intend to default on the debt, no. all right, by the way, social security scare and medicare, this is what democrats have done for 50 years, it's just crazy stuff. they will do anything not to cut spending, after $1.7 trillion omnibus bill full of waste, fraud and abuse, trust me on this. spending levels, we are running now federal government is spending 24%, almost a quarter of our economy, big government socialism, federal, state and local governments are spending 44% of our output. these are barriers to growth. regulatory barriers, deficit and borrowing barriers, inflation barriers to economic growth, prosperity killers. democrats will do anything, lying through their teeth, i

don't like to use that word, but just false charges, false charges. look, go to the -- i asked kevin mccarthy directly, all right, and he made the answers. it was written -- wall street journal is reporting this, i mean, come on. you are telling me at 24% gross domestic product, bill of $1.7 trillion, we have increased spending by $4 trillion in biden's firs no debt ceiling to finance even more spending. we are going to have some budget cuts, we are going do have some new budget caps, have some automatic spending cuts as a penalty if you don't meet the cap. the point is, the democrats will do anything to avoid cutting spending and help taxpayers. that's it. a terrible story. >> sandra: i'll call it a debt

ceiling hot potato with my mom's oklahoma accent. >> there is going to be a showdown, and mccarthy will win. democrats will join him, they are already meeting with him. >> sandra: how about the showdown over jen granholm our energy secretary on monday at the white house briefing not blaming the white house policies but the gop. listen. >> house republicans are now pursuing this extreme agenda that risks worsening supply shortages in times of crisis. and risks raising prices, gas prices for american families. >> sandra: oh, holy moley. >> you know what's so interesting in this, another part they are incapable of telling the truth. biden and company used the sales from the strategic petroleum,

can i tell you this, spro was never meant to be for gasoline prices. it's for national security. 40, 50 years ago we had the arab oil embargo, they cut us off, ok. and they were long lines and people were killing each other in the long gas lines. spro is there if you have a bad weather emergency in texas or california or someplace, florida. >> sandra: you are suggesting it's political to bring gas prices down before the midterm elections. >> read the legislation, never intended for short-term gas line prices, never intended for that. and they denied it at the beginning. >> sandra: and she patted the government on the back for filling the spro for $80 a barrel, buying it back for less than we sold it on the market. >> who killed it in 24?

>> sandra: they wouldn't let him. trump tried to fill it, and he was not able to. >> republicans say if you want to sell oil out of spro, you have to have a federal opening for leasing for oil and gas production. pretty clever. it's not fabulous, it does not do permitting but 5% sales of spro, you'll have to open up 5% of federal lands for leasing on oil and gas fracking. >> sandra: genius, genius. clever. >> it's clever, and smokes them out. here, too, they'll do anything not to let us turn the spigots back on for oil and gas production. >> sandra: they say they are all for it now, touting record oil production in the country. >> still a million barrels a day short of where we were precovid. i mean -- >> sandra: we have him all fired

up. his show is about an hour from now. >> no one tells the truth except for you. >> trace: not in my multi-million dollar back yard. a fight brewing in one of america's most exclusive enclaves where president biden vacations. home to hedge fund ceos and a baseball team owner. >> sandra: but not the police who protect them, trace, or the waiters who serve are them. huge story. america's working class says housing prices are forcing them off the island of nantucket and the ultra wealthy neighbors are digging their heels into the sand. it is a huge debate and we will have it for you here just next.

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>> sandra: it's a major fight brewing in nantucket where wealthy residents and million dollar homes -- or i should say multimillion dollar homes are

creating a crisis for the working class americans that keep everything running there. >> john: police officers, restaurant workers all say they can't afford to live there and forced to leave. plans have been in the works to build affordable houses. wealthy residents are pushing back. joi the critics will say this is a boon for developers. it's not really affordable housing. only 39 are relatively affordable between $250,000 and 171,000. the rest are a million bucks. waiters can't afford that. >> i think the crux of the matter, trace, is that presently the development is basically 25% restricted for homes earning 80% area median income or less.

the federal definition of affordable. the remainder are intended to be prices at the market. we're teeing up a competition between our local fox that can afford something less than the $4 million average home price today, but they're going to be competing against the second homeowner and investor market presently. >> sandra: you know, it's quite a debate. it seems to be brewing. i should say reaching a tipping point. because if you set it up more like the multimillionaire multibillionaire resident of the island who one of the biggest complaints is that they don't have enough local workers to maintain the hotels, the restaurants so there's not high turnovers so that they can stay there, that's one of their biggest concerns. yet, these developers say they're building affordable housing and the residents say

no, not here. >> well, sandra, you know, i talked to dozens if not hundreds of people about this project and other things that the town has going. i would say uniformly, everybody understands the critical need for housing that is attainable to the year-round community that is seasonal residents and year-round residents alike. i think at this juncture the consternation is over the fact that this particular project, again, is presently restricted only to be 25% dedicated to year-rounders and 75% could be purchased by nonisland residents. that is really i think where folks are trying to -- from all angles move something forward that truly will serve the year-round community in the way that we need it to.

>> john: interesting. tucker, thanks for coming up. great stuff. >> sandra: interesting debate. we'll watch that story. thanks for joining us. trace, great to have you here. we'll see you tonight. >> great to see you tonight. fox news at night, midnight on the east. >> sandra: it's a great show. i watched it last night and i love the very end, the nightcap. i couldn't have one but it was fun to watch it. >> thanks for joining us. i'm trace gallagher. "the story" starts rights now. >> martha: good afternoon, everybody. i'm martha maccallum. this is the big story right now. the u.s. digging in deeper in ukraine. president zelensky gets what he wants most on his 45th birthday today. the tanks that he's been pleading for have finally been approved by president biden. >> because i want to enhance ukraine's capacity to defend its territory and achieve its strategic objectives.