book as well. you want to pro-order that as soon as possible and get it in a couple of months. >> he was grateful for everybody reaching out to him. >> dana: and the prayers. he said the prayers really mattered. >> bill: help and mattered to him. we're watching the trial in south carolina and see how it goes and leave you with that. we'll see you on friday. for perino and hemmer we are out of here. >> dana: harris faulkner is next. here she is. >> harris: we begin with this fox news alert with millions of americans forced to suddenly pay attention to their social security and medicare. so many depending on those programs to take them through their golden years. at this hour there is a problem. with details emerging about the money running out for seniors for those programs. i'm harris faulkner and you are in "the faulkner focus." at issue the money is coming out of the program faster than it is going in. congressional budget office reports social security is headed for bankruptcy without legislative action to save it,

it looks like it will run dry within the next ten years. that would automatically cut benefits from 23% for every single american who needs those programs. medicare funding is vanishing even faster. the timing of all of this of trying to figure out what to do comes during a fierce battle that's happening in the nation's capital over spending. the debt growing precipitously. the stand-off between republican lawmakers and white house over raising the borrowing limits. democrats want to spend, spend, spend. republicans want to slash and save. speaker mccarthy says we had better find a way to check off the spending fast. >> i want to look the president in the eye and tell me there is not $1 of wasteful spending in government? who believes that? the american public doesn't believe that. our whole government is designed to have compromise, let's find

common ground and let's eliminate the wasteful spending to protect the hard-working taxpayers and protect the future of america. >> harris: rick scott chairman of the senatorial committee in "focus." let's begin with hillary vaughn on capitol hill. hillary, so many seniors paying attention to this immediately. >> exactly, harris, 66 million people get social security checks every month. this will impact them as the congressional budget office is telling congress they need to come up with a fix to save social security before the inevitable happens. cbo estimates the cost of social security exceeds the money it is bringing in. the program is quickly running out of cash and fast. if the gap between the trust funds out lays and income occurs as we projects they will decline to 0 in and the social security

administration will not be able to full benefits when they are due. this is as the debt crisis is looming over capitol hill and democrats are accusing republicans of wanting to gut social security and medicare to cut spending. >> let's see what cuts they actually want to make and let's see if they can pass any of them. i doubt it. i doubt it. to my gop colleagues, if you want to talk about all this stuff, then you have an obligation to show the american people precisely what kind of cuts you want to make. >> even if republicans leave the program untouched, social security and medicare according to experts will run out of cash anyway leaving the 66 million who count on monthly social security check with close to nothing. some moderate democrats like senator joe manchin have expressed interest in working with republicans to tackle what's considered a politically toxic problem before the programs implode. >> anybody with any sense knows

we are going to have to reform those programs because we are going to honor the payments and benefits for retirees and those what they were promised. you can't do that if washington puts their head in the sand and ignores the inevitable problem that will come with those two programs. >> that's what some republicans feel they are getting from the president putting his head in the sand, refusing to negotiate with republicans that are saying this is something that needs to be addressed and fixed before it runs out of cash. >> harris: thank you very much. president biden is expected to speak later today we're told to celebrate what he calls his administration's economic achievements. that would include nearly $6 trillion in new spending. you see what's in jeopardy there. social security, medicare. you see what the stakes are. president biden will also use his bully pulpit we would imagine to try to push this type of message attacking republicans. he often does that.

here he is last week. >> president biden: they will continue to try to cut social security and medicare since americans have been paying into. if republicans want to work together, they want -- these guys are the fiscally demented, i think. they don't quite get it. >> harris: this line of attack, as i mentioned before, is not new. the president and democrats slinging it out. republican senator rick scott of florida ahead of november's mid-term elections. take a look. >> president biden: they are coming after your social security and medicare and saying it out loud. your great senator rick scott here in florida. he is in charge of electing republicans to the senate. he laid out the plan clearly.

he put social security and medicare on the chopping block. >> harris: in "focus" now senator rick scott, member of homeland security and armed services committee. great to have you in "focus." look, i laid it out for what's at stake. the time numbers are really alarming. ten years or less it will go by very quickly for people who totally depend on those programs, medicare and social sec security. >> i would never cut medicare or social security. i will do everything i can to make sure there are no cuts in medicare and social security. the democrats all voted to cut 280 billion out of medicare last september and biden signed it. 280 billion they cut and want to say other people will do it. here is what we have to do. we have to grow our economy. here is what's going on right now. the left, the big government crowd, wall street are saying you have to spend more money,

borrow more money and they are the ones telling us this and they say if you don't all the world will fall apart and we'll have plagues the moses would flinch at. we have the money now to pay social security, medicare and military but we need to get rid of all the waste. so much waste. when you go to the grocery store and you see egg and meat are up thank the people the bureaucrats in d.c. that make a fortune and the rich. thank you for raising the cost of everything, raising my mortgage payment, raising my interest expense on my credit card because that's what's happening. we can balance the budget. i did it as governor. i walked with a 4 billion budget deficit. they said the economy who fall awart if i budgeted it. we had record funding for all the programs that people care

about. i got rid of the waste, balanced the budget and paid off a third of the state debt. we can do the same thing here but we have to start doing it. >> harris: give me a couple of areas that you know you could cut off the back in terms of waste and that would really help. it is hard to believe or imagine why democrats wouldn't come to the table on at least a few things. they know it's a swamp. give us a couple of examples of maybe things that you need to do immediately. >> well, we could get rid of the new money, the 87,000 i.r.s. agents and the 7500 earmarks passed in the omnibus bill and stop the green new deal with the chips bill. there are so many things that are just -- they don't do anything for the american public except for cause more inflation, cause more debt, cause your interest expense to go up. we all have to understand if we

keep raising the debt ceiling with no structural change interest rates will continue to go up, right? inflation will continue to be bad. that's what is going to happen. there is a complete correlation. >> harris: do you believe the white house when it is reported that they literally won't negotiate with you? >> yeah. in the end i'm proud of the house republicans committed to making sure we preserve medicare, we preserve social security and we get our fiscal house in order. but we have got to stop caving to the democrats on the senate side and stop wasteful spending. that's what is causing the debt to go up. >> harris: this is so stressful for people are the president's age. that's another reason why i don't really understand and you talked about what democrats cut, medicare, protecting that batch of years, those golden years is everybody's -- we're only going in one direction. what happens next do you think?

>> first off i hope biden will start being honest. we have the money to pay for medicare and social security. the interest expense of the military right now. we will collect $4 1/2 trillion this year. we have plenty of money to do those things. he just wants all this waste. democrats want all this waste. first thing we have to do is acknowledge we have to solve this problem and we have to come to the table and say there is waste, let's fix it. >> harris: i understand what you are saying. the waste is what eats your future. the future isn't that far off. less than ten years and even less than that for medicare. let's move to this. republican congressman tom massey called out the nation's debt. he has been seen around the capital supporting a handmade national debt clock badge. >> biden and the democrats are incapable -- incapable of telling the truth about this. they will do anything not to cut

spending after $1.7 trillion omnibus bill full of waste, fraud and abuse. democrats will do anything, lying through their teeth, i mean this sincerely. i don't like to use that word. these are just false charges. >> harris: let's pause right there. i have to get your reaction to that. you have to negotiate with these people and you hear larry kudlow describing democrats as incapable of telling the truth about what we owe. >> they are not going to be honest with the american public. they like all the spending. there is plenty of money -- when we sell bonds wall street makes a lots of money. look as what's happened. as we ran up the debt over the last 20 years the rich have gotten richer, right? wall street has done really well. the d.c. bureaucrats are doing well and that is who is making money and pushing this. let's think about the american

public suffering every day. >> harris: that's a flip of what the rhetoric is, isn't it? democrats are looking across the aisle at you as republicans and saying we are the ones who care about the middle class and seniors but now what we're seeing is that's not actually true. >> they cut medicare. harris, they cut medicare four months ago. they cut $280 billion out of medicare. i will fight like hell to make sure we preserve medicare and social security. we can and should and owe it to our seniors but we have to do it by living within our means. you do it, harris, you have to do it. >> harris: everybody does it. >> the government should do it. >> harris: you get this much and you can't live off this much. outrage from members of both political parties on the senate intelligence committee meeting with the director of national intelligence yesterday gave them 0 answers on the classified document scandal, a big mess.

they say this is a serious national security situation and they need the information and the complete lack of it is unacceptable at best, dangerous at worst. let's watch together. >> i'm frustration the administration stones walls us. i'm not the only one. it is not just republicans. it is bipartisan. >> every member of the committee, regardless of democrat or republican, were unanimous in that this position that we are left in limbo until somehow a special counsel designates that it's okay for us to get briefed is not going to stand. >> i speak for every member of the committee. the position they've taken is untenable. >> harris: all right. today what we know about those classified documents from you now and then again what you think is coming immediately. >> first we don't know anything.

first off, the documents that i get classified documents. i get them in a classified setting and they stay classified. how in the world do you get these documents? biden took documents from the senate. the only time i see classified documents is in a classified setting and marked classified. so biden needs to be completely trans transparent. how did it happen? don't say, biden is a hypocrite or clueless attacked trump and then he has documents all over the place. come clean, tell us what happened. >> harris: the no regrets line. people make mistakes, you saw vice president pence talk about the fact that documents were found. they immediately contacted the federal authorities that needed to be contacted. so i'm just -- you look at the differences in how things are handled and i'm curious about how you don't have any regrets when stuff happens because plenty of people express they

are sorry. >> but we'll find out how did it happen and make sure it doesn't happen again. we aren't supposed to take classified documents under the classified setting. don't do it. >> harris: quickly top secret is another level. that first tronch of document found at the penn biden center. the difference between the red markings all over. secretory pompeo said there is no way you could misidentify a top secret and that's what was among those at penn biden center. >> it is clearly marked. it is not only clearly marked, you cannot walk out with them. you cannot walk out of these secured settings with them. >> harris: how did they get to the offices in penn biden center? >> i have no idea. they have to explain. i have declassified briefings all the time. i don't take it out. you can't even take your notes. it doesn't make sense.

>> harris: an all-call for everybody, former presidents, vice presidents, congress people, look at what you have. the way you and pompeo described it yesterday that's in its own category. we'll watch this and cover it as it happens. senator rick scott the great state of florida. thank you for being in "focus" today. >> see you, bye-bye. >> harris: newly uncovered hunter biden email is creating new concerns the first son might have had access to his dad's classified information. he is driving the vet that was parked with some of that stuff in the garage in wilmington, remember? this is set to resume soon. the compelling murder trial of alex murdaugh. the disgraced high-profile attorney accused of killing his wife and son and we have been hearing from the police officer who was first at the scene. we'll bring you more of the testimony. the court is in a break right

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>> harris: breaking news now. the trial of all ex murdaugh is getting started again and getting into the courtroom and getting ready to cross-examine that first witness. the judge called for a break moments ago after the state questioned that first witness. the defense will question him now. a high-profile south carolina attorney is charged with the murders of his wife and son. the scene was horrific. we heard that from the body cam the witness was wearing that night. there are 250 potential

witnesses in this case. the prosecution shared gruesome details. they were found fatally shot at the family estate in june of 2021. >> you see cross examination beginning with that first witness. the prosecution's first witness is a sergeant with the colleton county sheriff's office. the first member of law enforcement to arrive on the scene back in 2021 when alex murdaugh called 911 to report the murders of his wife and their son. the sergeant describes the victim's injuries in gruesome detail. he said murdaugh appeared to be crying but no visible tears. sergeant daniel greene says without prompting murdaugh offered an explanation for the crime. >> did mr. murdaugh give you a possible explanation for this? >> his immediate reaction was to start telling me about an incident that happened with his son with a boating accident.

>> the murdaugh family faced a lawsuit over an accident in which son, paul, was allegedly intoxicated when he crashed a boat causing the death of a 19-year-old passenger. one of many mounting financial and legal problems that prosecutors say that led murdaugh to kill his wife and son to create a distraction. the defense insists investigators went into the case with pre-conceived notions. >> the police announced don't worry, there is no danger to y'all, there is nobody out there that could pose a danger to you because you see, they decided that night he did it. >> there are 255 names on the list of potential witnesses in this case. again we're just on witness number one. other witnesses include more law enforcement, family members and also victims of murdaugh's

alleged financial crimes. >> harris: we've heard so much detail. i'm so glad you caught us up. now things have resumed. thank you, jonathan. have resumed in that courtroom in south carolina. let's go back in. the first witness, sergeant daniel greene who showed up his body cam on is now being cross-examined by the defense. let's watch together. >> and you have dogs? >> i have one dog. >> you don't keep him in a pen. >> he stays in the pen. >> if you had hunting dogs. how many do you think there were? >> i honestly couldn't tell you. there are a lot of pens. >> 8, 9, 10. >> are familiar with the concept of washing out a pen after a dog deaf indicates in the pen? >> i'm sure that's what you would do to clean out a pen. >> there was water inside and outside the fence? >> that's what it looks like.

>> go ahead. >> again we're looking at dog pens and the water appears to be outside the pen on the property. >> right. >> i'll object. i think the video needs to be stopped for counsel to ask the question and the witness to respond. >> the question while playing the video or making a statement while playing the video.

>> [inaudible] >> so this shows the same area, shows water on the concrete outside these dog pens, correct? >> yes. >> okay. go to the next one, please. [video playing] >> so again this showed the light shining you see a couple of dogs. those pens are occupied by dogs, there is water outside the pen and inside the pens if somebody attempted to wash something out of the pens, correct? >> there is water both inside and outside of the pen, yes.

>> i apologize, your honor, the technology is complicated. let's proceed and see if i can clarify a couple of matters. let's talk about the shotgun. you -- this is the shotgun that mr. murdaugh was carrying or had

leaning against the car when you got there. >> it was leaning up against that vehicle, yes. >> and according to what you testified to just a moment ago, these are the shells the chain of custody when you found the shotgun and shells. they went together. >> when i released the sled agent i was unaware of any shells inside at the time it was handed over. it was discovered inside the gun is my understanding. >> where is that chain of evidence document? would you show this to the jury, please? >> would you like me to read it? >> the super black eagle 312-gauge shotgun uf73210e17, 1

unfired shot shell 12 gauge federal. one unfired 16 gauge. >> a 12 gauge and a 16 gauge shell. >> yes. >> 12-gauge shotgun. can you fire a 16 gauge shotgun shell from a 12 g-gauge shotgun. i don't know if it would actually work or not. >> could it result in damage to the person trying to fire the shotgun? >> more likely. >> objection. >> it's overruled. >> you can actually harm yourself if you blow up if you pull the trigger on a 16 gauge in a 12-gauge shotgun. i haven't done it or seen it done. >> you can do harm doing it? >> it's possible. >> this shotgun according to the chain of evidence you just read

at a 16 gauge and 12 gauge in it. >> correct. >> was leaning up against the car. >> the shotgun was. >> i'm interested as to why -- let me just cut to the chase on this. there is discussion on this tape or maybe -- if it was a theory that paul had shot his mother and then shot himself. is that correct on the scene. >> yes. she had been shot multiple times and he had been shot with a shotgun at least one of the shots y'all believe was upward and why his brains were all over the ceiling. >> that part i don't know. i wasn't involved in that part of it. i did not discuss anything being shot upward or i don't recall seeing that. >> did you hear discussions of

your fellow officers? >> of a shot being fired upward? that's what it looked like they were saying, yes. >> further, i think in front of you one of the officers saying his brains are on the ceiling. there is blood all over the place, correct? >> i don't recall them saying brain was upward. i don't recall. >> and further you as you are discussing this with them, indicate -- make sure i get this correct. you indicate there are multiple -- someone indicates to you there are multiple blackout rounds around maggie's body and in the vicinity, correct? >> not rounds but shell casings. >> sorry, shell casings. let me ask you this, when you got there, didn't the fire chief

and the fire department arrive before you did? >> no, sir, i was first on scene. >> did they arrive while you were there? >> one of the fire rescue workers, barry mccoy. >> we hear unidentified person in your notes you indicate it was the fire chief, i believe. indicated to you pointed out to you tire tracks and you went over and looked at those tire tracks and multiple tire tracks coming and going, correct? >> i don't know that someone indicated them to me. i believe i just saw them. >> okay. and what did you do to preserve those? >> the tire tracks? nothing. >> you certainly are not an expert in tire tracks? >> i am not. >> you couldn't tell whether it was multiple vehicles or one vehicle? >> no. >> it may have been multiple vehicles >> may have been. i didn't take pictures of the scene. that's not my job.

>> did you tell them about the tracks? >> no, sir, not my job. >> you regret not doing that? >> it's not part of my job description. >> it with as your job to even tell them there were multiple fire tracks? >> if i add been asked, yes. >> in addition to that, multiple vehicles, law enforcement vehicles and others drove over those tracks. >> that's possible. i wasn't over there the whole time though know what kind of vehicles were driving in the area. >> by the time sled got there, strike that. you never took sled over an pointed out tire tracks. >> not to my recollection i did not. >> was there somebody there with your department that should have done that? >> i have no idea what they do with their job descriptions as far as what they point out to additional investigators. >> did somebody from fire and rescue point out footprints? >> i believe on my body camera there is a fire rescue individual pointing out some

footprints. >> did you take pictures of those? >> i did not. >> did you tell sled about them? >> i did not. >> nobody attempted to determine whether those were maggie's footprints, paul's footprints. at least that night there was no effort by you or the department to preserve those. >> by me, no. i can't speak for anyone else. >> let me ask you this. how about go to 4439, please. let's watch at least ten if not 15 seconds of that.

[video >> harris: we just had a lot thrown at us, a murder/suicide theory. let's dig in now. heather hansen, trial attorney, jonna spilbor, criminal defense attorney. digest a little bit what's going on. first of all, jonna, as a former

criminal defense attorney, what is inside the mind perhaps of or strategy, if you will, of that murder/suicide theory? >> well, a couple of things. we know the defense now is first poking holes in the investigation itself because he is criticizing the first person on scene for not preserving critical evidence, harris. tire tracks are very critical and this officer is claiming he didn't care or do anything. well, if we blame this crime on somebody else because, quote, my client didn't do it. murder/suicide is perhaps a plausible theory, as will be other third parties like their crazy cousin curtis who will also bear some of the blame as this trial continues. >> harris: we're getting details from the sergeant daniel greene from his camera that he was

wearing that night. what jumps out at you that people really need to pay attention to in terms of solving what happened? >> the gruesome nature of those photos. they didn't show them on camera but the jury did see them. part of the defense in this case is there is no way someone close to these defendants, the father of one of the victims, could do such a totally gruesome crime. that's going to be a big part of the defense. it was in the opening and i expect to see the same thing throughout the case and again in the closing. >> harris: to flip it, though, is that a defense because it's too gory to look at you couldn't have done it because you knew the victims? >> it is a very difficult case to defend. there is great evidence against the defendant in this case. so one of the things that the attorney -- defense attorney said in his opening that i thought was interesting. the law says he didn't do it. he is right about that. that's a presumption of

innocence. he will point at every single thing he can to bring up doubt. the tire tracks, footprints, shell casings, other motives and the gruesome murder. it may make one of the jurors have some doubts. >> harris: a couple of things. jonna. not a lot of people who have seen crime scene photos before. i would imagine none is a coroner or many of them wouldn't be. this is tough. this is tough for them to see and they are piecing together information as well. when you hear that there is a missing rifle, the same kind that reportedly matches with the types of wounds that the wife had, you have to look at those pictures then. you've got to know what the scene was like. take me inside that part of the case. >> so first of all, the jurors were forewarned they were going

to see graphic pictures. no doubt when they were selecting this jury they said you'll look at things that you'll never be able to unsee. that's part of that process. when it comes to whether the gun is missing, is the gun missing because this guy shot him and then got rid of it or missing because someone stole it and shot them? that's a big question. >> harris: we are going to quickly get back. they are talking about fingerprints right now. let's watch. >> let me further ask you, you asked mr. murdaugh, we heard this on the tape, you talked about the tire tracks coming and going and he told you those weren't his tire tracks, correct? >> he did say they were not. >> okay. and further, -- he indicated to you, mr. murdaugh did, that he

felt this was related to the boat case. you indicated you knew about the boat case and read about the boat case. >> that's correct. >> in the boat case paul was charged the three counts of felony dui. kill one and injuring others. >> i don't know many details about that case. >> mr. murdaugh said there had been threats made against paul >> he did. >> he even got in a fight once about it. >> i believe he said punched. >> so on the scene he believed that paul's death was connected to someone angry about the boat case, correct? >> object to that as to what he believes. asking the witness what another person believes. >> objection is overruled. >> on the scene mr. murdaugh indicated to you he thought the death of his son was related to his son's involvement in the death of a young lady and the injury of da others in the boat

case. >> it appeared that's what he was getting at, yes. >> and that's on the tape. now, let's talk a little bit about the preservation of the crime scene. what did you do other than put yellow tape up to preserve the crime scene? >> that is about the extent of my job is to put up tape and make sure people that don't need to cross it don't cross it. >> there are officers walking around putting little pieces of tape near shell casings. >> there was one officer doing that, yes. >> and in the process of doing that, i didn't see any lights other than maybe your flashlight. did you open up any sort of

lights so people could make sure they weren't stepping on something in the dark? >> at that point there was no additional lighting that had been put up. >> you and your officers were walking through that entire area? >> we were walking in the area, yes. >> did you actually walk -- the feed room -- let me -- maybe this is the best way to do this. picture, please.

>> i would like to use the elmo. >> harris: as they work out some of the physical semantics in the courtroom i want to bring back heather hansen and jonna spilbor. heather you said the prosecutor did a phenomenal job laying out his case. why did he say that? >> he went through each piece of evidence he will present to the jury and a little drama that juries enjoys. he called the defendant the storm that was coming into this family and wreak havoc. i think sometimes jurors do love a good story but he focused there will be cell phone and ballistic evidence and going to be physical evidence. you will hear about a motive.

boom, boom, boom. the defense just said they have the burden, which is true, but not so great with the evidence. i thought the prosecutor was right on. >> harris: jonna, in your estimation, you know, now you have that first witness under pressure from the criminal defense attorneys. how is that witness doing compared with how he did underneath the prosecution? >> they always seem to do better when their own is questioning them. what is coming through loud and clear here is theme number one, botched investigation. >> harris: because of the crime scene? the tape? it was only my job to tape it? >> i was struck by that. you have the first officer on the scene on the stand in front of a jury saying not my job. come on, that's not good for the prosecution at all. that's going to play right into the defense's hands you screwed up. had a foregone conclusion and

you cannot find my client guilty when you did such a horrible investigation. i'm sure that will be developed more as we see witnesses 2-255. >> harris: how does that really play, though? they have a lot of evidence and a lot of things captured on that camera that the sergeant daniel greene was wearing. but at the same time, jonna, i hear you. when he says the words it was only my job to put up the tape and keep people from crossing over the tape one way or the other the questions is so specific about tracks in the should. should he have been doing other things? >> he should have been doing other things or staying out of the way and keeping everybody else away from that scene. he could have done that. just in terms of the evidence, though, i think what the defense is also going to say is look, what you are not going to see is more important than what you are going to see. if you shoot somebody and their

head blows up like a watermelon you should be covered in dna and they will claim mr. murdaugh was not. that's very interesting. how did he clean himself up in time to have the conversation? i don't think it is possible. so the lack of evidence is going to be a key component from the defense in this case. >> harris: very interesting with your final remarks at least for this part of our coverage, heather, who goes through whir mind is what you don't see you have to point out here. >> we're in the first witness. so many witnesses to be called. >> harris: 255. >> that's right. each one -- my mentor used to say every piece of evidence is like the pearl. at the end of the trial you want to string a necklace for the jury. the prosecution did go through other investigations we have yet to hear about. we have only just begun. i think there is a lot more evidence to be heard by this jury. >> harris: fascinating trial. we have listened to so much of it today.

alex murdaugh on trial for murders of his wife and his son. heather and jonna, always great to have you along the way to digest the breaking news. we'll move on now to a few other things happening but we're watching and monitoring what is happening in the courtroom with this double murder trial in south carolina. >> this decision by kevin mccarthy to bow to the demands of the most extreme. >> this is political vengeance. breaking a committee that's always been bipartisan but the death threats that we three keep getting. >> if mccarthy wants to denigrate the integrity of the house and its committees, we will always stand up to these efforts. >> harris: she went on to say by removing here and the other two people off of intel that it is against national security interest. i really want to get into that.

three controversial democrats going after speaker kevin mccarthy's decision to kick them off house committee assignments, schiff, swalwell and omar painting it as political revenge. the white house is sticking up for those democrats expelled out of those committees. >> representatives schiff, swalwell and also omar are expertise and bring a lot to the table when it comes to foreign policy and national security. when it comes to that committee, it should not be politicized. it should be independent. >> harris: secretary of state mike pompeo has a very different take. here he is on schiff's time on the intelligence committee. >> adam schiff lied to the american people. during my time as c.i.a. director and secretary of state he leaked classified information provided to him. i don't think he should be seeing classified information.

>> harris: sitting next to him on the couch on "outnumbered" yesterday i knew he was making news with that as we welcome the panel. just the level of detail he had on what was going on with schiff. doug collins former republican congressman of georgia and mark former democrat senator of alaska. doug, i will start with you on first of all just reacting to what secretary pompeo was just saying. >> well, he has been saying out loud what many of us have seen firsthand. i was ranking member of the house judiciary committee and going through stuff with intelligence and the investigation of russia through impeachment. look, he has a wealth information to the media. he leaked. we know that over time and pompeo is confirming what a lot of us have known. this is a bigger issue. these people are being looked at for what they did while they were members. they are trying to draw the distinction it's revenge.

swalwell and schiff were doing things not being on the committee because they have trouble telling the truth to the american people and adam schiff made a lot of leaks but also wrong misconceptions to the public. they don't need to be on there. >> harris: you know, senator, how is it possible that people can see it so differently? the facts are laid out for what they are. there were problems with eric swalwell serious enough to have him investigated what was going on between him and a chinese spy and it looked personal so on and so forth. could it be less about vengeance as these three are saying that it's all political vengeance by speaker mccarthy. could any of it in your estimation as a democrat be based on the facts before you? >> i am not sure what the facts are as you know we got investigated but nothing was further on that. i will say this. the speaker has all the rights. right or wrong to put people on

committees and they didn't get selected for whatever reason. i think it's because he had to bow to the hard right in his caucus. but here is the thing i always say about things like this. when people do this on personal attacks i had this happen to me when i was serving on a governor's panel. the senate and house and state of alaska booted me off because they didn't want me on there they didn't like me politically. i ran won mayor twice and become a u.s. senator. be careful what you do when you play back and forth politics. if the speaker doesn't want them on the committee that's a choice he gets to make. at the end of the day, be careful what you ask for. those three have a lot of experience and i would venture that say i'm sure republican congressman has the same view on both sides you have people with situations that maybe you don't want them on certain committees but they are on and it is what it is. it's the people's house. >> harris: i want to go here with you, doug. when you hear representative

omar say that -- she said this yesterday during that press conference that the three of them gave together. she said that removing them and particularly herself off of the intel committee, is against national security interests. that it is actually dangerous. what do you think she was talking about? >> i think she is just making up stuff to make it sound worse. senator, we've both been part of political gamesmanship but interesting to say speaker mccarthy was bowing to political pressure. who was speaker pelosi bowing to when she kicked green and goss are off. she was punished for stuff before she was a member of congress. these folks are being called out for things happening while they were members of congress. this is a different issue but again let's not say this bowing to political pressure. i mean, if it's one for 1, 1 for the other. >> the point is they both do it.

this is the ridiculous part of what congress is going through today. the people are pissed off because all they do is back and forth. what i would like them to focus on, the fed and how they are raising interest rates and i would like them to work on the issues that matter to american people. they won't. >> harris: if you want to do some of that advocates' talk to the white house and get the white house to negotiate with republicans. that's where i started this hour with senator rick scott. they want to talk medicare and social security. doug, then i'll come back to you, senator. >> i agree with the senator let's look at bigger things. there was not this discussion kicking off republicans. it goes back and forth. let's get this behind us and move forward. >> they made the decision, republican speaker has made his decision, now a step forward and let's get on with the business of this country and -- >> harris: and get the white house engage and negotiate with

the other side. >> all sides need to engage absolutely. >> harris: next time we'll get together. how much access hunter biden had to all the classified documents. we're running out of time. i'll have you both back. senator and doug collins, thank you so much. great to see you both. "outnumbered" is right after the "outnumbered" is right after the commercial break.

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