and check out the book freight monday on special report, replenishing u.s. weapons stockpiles as the war in ukrain goes on. it has been a busy week here, thank you for inviting us into your home tonight. fair, balanced, and still unafraid. we will have continuing breakin coverage about whatever happens is this video of memphis and around different cities. jesse watters primetime starts now. >> fox news alerts, we are awaiting the body cam video tha police a shows 29 -year-old mc enany nichols being beaten to death by five black cops in memphis, tennessee. over an hour of footage, possibly five different body cams in play and we will show you that video shortly. the producers are working on it right now. it's been described as brutal and terrific the five former officers were hit with charges including second-degree murder, aggravated assault, kidnapping,

official misconduct and officia oppression. there are facing a minimum of 6 years behind bars. four of the five cops were released on bond this morning. here is what police are telling us. under an re seven, ronna mc daniel nichols vehicle was pulled over for reckless driving . the police chief says there was a physical altercation in the cops tried. >> nichols out of the car. pepper spray was deployed, and nichols took off on foot. there was a foot pursuit, and officers then apprehended him a a different location and anothe confrontation occurred. nichols was arrested. the police chief says the level of aggression from police at that point is unexplainable. this happened a few blocks from nichols home, and he died three days later in the hospital on january 10th. here's what we don't know. the police chief says she is no

sure why the cops stopped him i the first place. it's unclear how far nichols ram , how police apprehended him, and how long the confrontation lasted. we are not sure sure what roles each officer played in the we will have the body cam footage for you and moments and that will answer some of the questions. the timing of the tapes release i don't think is great. they waited until sundown on friday night to put out a body cam that is going to fire up a lot of people. cities across america are raising for riots, and now the police chief in memphis says police shouldn't wear right here , it might disturb protesters. >> it is not smart for police agencies to deploy officers wit riot gear and all the bells and whistles. if we have community members that are peacefully protesting, we plan to allow them to have

their space to do that, and not to agitate them. >> steve harrigan is live on th ground in memphis, we have now obtained video and we are going to turn that around as soon as possible. what is the vibe on the street right now? >> let's take a firsthand look at the behind me, you have abou 200 protesters here peaceful so far, chanting in about 200 members of the media so not a large turnout yet but that coul change and could change dramatically as the night goes on and people see this tape. there have been warnings not just here in memphis, but acros the country about potential violence. the tape is seen to be as that bad, we haven't seen the violence on the street here yet but we have seen some merchants begin to board up and put plywood over their windows, but no sign of any violence yet. a course friday you mentioned was a strange choice that they explained that as they were

concerned about schoolchildren they were concerned that the disturbances could disrupt schools, people trying to get home and especially they the march is now beginning towards the downtown area. there are only about 200 of the they have 2 miles to go and we are going to follow them and se if this stays peaceful or not. >> be safe out there. let's bring in rob o'donnell wh is a retired nypd detective. rob, what is your understanding of the accountability here? it looks like there was an investigation, these officers were terminated, and than immediately indicted, that was pretty swift justice. >> the system works like it's supposed to work, it was swift and decisive, the investigation happened, the probable cause wa determined and they were arrested, this is how our syste needs to insured work freight w

need to have faith in that system, but this video, everyon i know and law enforcement that has seen the video has describe it as horrendous and i think that's what we see when we finally see this video. it is not indicative of law enforcement nationwide. we have 30 million police from 800,000 police officers, likely 1 percent have a situation like this and we need to realize tha and remember they are taking to the streets to let them be rightly angry. every good law enforcement is angry about this tricky to have you think that memphis police chief has handled things so far? >> i think her statements are horrendous herself. instead of being an impartial professional who says we did ou investigation and these officer will be held accountable, they will be tried in due process an we will be held to a higher standard she goes on tv with do lemon and talks about how she feels. her feelings don't matter as fa as this investigation goes, it'

the facts and an impartial view of those facts that they are going to prosecute these officers and that is the state she needs to take, not comparable as to rodney king, that's not what a police executive job is for the job is to hold the officers accountabl and that is what she should be saying. >> we recall the george floyd riots and lots of the people would latch onto these protest movements and cause even more destruction. have you heard anything about antifa so far tonight? >> i know there is a fire circulating in new york city pu out by antifa that is calling for protest and rights at all police precincts at the city. you are showing it right there. that is what as circulating in the underground in new york city . that's what police are aware of and they've taken precautions t be prepared for this when it happens but for this police chief in memphis to get on the tv and say that we shouldn't be

wearing riot gear, she wants more injuries out of this? this should be stopped immediately. we hope it's peaceful, that family has called for peaceful, but it's a wonder this police chief was fired from her own into job and had to sue to get it back before she came to memphis for. >> she says she doesn't want packed out officers because tha could intimidate or provoke peaceful protesters, is that that understanding of how these things work? >> it's not how it works pretty routine time and again they did the same thing in baltimore, yo let them have a blog, let them have two blocks and let them ge it out of their system. you need to stop these violent protest before they get violenc and keep them peaceful. the way you keep them peaceful is law-enforcement working in conjunction with the leaders in that community to have a peaceful protest and both together can be mutually angry at something like this when it happens very. >> our producers right now are compiling the footage as we say

we have five different body cameras, five different officers , and we are working to get this out there right now. what goes through the mind of these officers, i know you said it earlier, when you hear about a situation like this you have it has to be like oh my god thi as lasting the country the country needs right now. >> it is infuriating. all the law enforcement officer i spoke to today on top of everything that law enforcement is going through, the hostile atmosphere, we do not need something like this. what we've seen in this case where the officers are all blac and the suspect is black becaus i think it would be different i the colors were different on th officers in the suspect. we really need to move past thi and hold these officers accountable. they should be held accountable to their maximum ability if the are found guilty in due process. >> thank you so much for joinin us. the appreciate your expertise for forest, your understanding

of the situation right now, black america again probably going to protest pretty passionately tonight after a five black officers it looks like may have murdered somebody. >> there is in one of the thing that that she said was this is not about race, this is not about racial injustice. they the not so positive is tha there have been statements made even those by the chief that ar likely to increase the level of intensity, the level of anxiety. we have a criminal justice reason for the reason, it's job is to handle thorough investigation that allow for a prosecution, and than ultimatel

let a jury of peers make their final determination. when individuals interfere with that, that is when we have problems. let me add though that the protesters whether it is antifa or other people are very likely to try to exploit this. it could be quite costly to our communities when these people engage in the reckless and violent mayhem that some people called mostly peaceful, but las time, it cost a billion dollars. >> we know al sharpton is involved, we know the lawyer benjamin crump is involved so the people who are usually involved are involved, when we get harrigan back i'm going to ask them if these people that are already assembling in memphis that haven't seen the tape are the types of professional protesters that yo usually see or if this is more

of an organic uprising from you average person and the neighborhood. that will tell you a lot about what we will see tonight. >> really really need to have the feds investigate how these programs, paid, sponsored activists that go all across th country, crossing state lines, so that they can engage in violence and mayhem. every american supports the right of people to engage in peaceful protest right what no one wants and what no one shoul expect is to have those in authority nor having people hav to get armed. people have to provide security or god forbid, find that their places are rated.

this is the kind of thing that even family in this case is asking do not do this, do not d this. if the fbi doesn't tackle finding out who the sponsors are , and how they are promoting the undertaking of federal felonies over state lines, this is going to be a problem. >> do you think that the way this was rolled out by having five days of the police chief and local officials say this is the worst video you're ever going to see, this is worse tha rodney king, drip, drip, prime the pump, it prime the pump, an then release it on a friday night grade would you have handled it differently? >> i of course would've handled this differently. first of all, there is a paul pelosi tape that took multiple months to come out so that the american people could see up there there was no reason it needed to come out friday night

if from a legal perspective it had been determined that this video needed to be released, yo could pick 8:00 a.m., maybe eve 7:00 a.m. on monday morning and allow people a chance to have a orderly processing of this. what has happened instead as we have given people two things, one, time to print up flyers so they can engage in the unlawful agitation that i fear we are going to see, and secondly, you have no natural endpoint becaus it is friday night whereas if you started this in the morning you might be able by ten or 11:00 a.m. to have people fully express themselves without it having to turn into something dangerous. leaders should not have done this trick again i would agree with this.

we're getting some video in, let's see if we can play that outbreak we have security footage here. it looks like this was the initial stop. we have the five officers right there, one, two, three, four, five looks like. a before officers there and tha looks like tyre on the ground. it's hard to tell actually precisely what is happening there. it looks like this is probably camera mounted on some kind of building that was able to capture the initial pullover. we have to warn the audience that we do have some video of the pepper spray incident which may have preceded this. if we are ready for it, here it is.

communions. communions. >> okay, right give me your hands. watch out. give me your hand, broke. >> so they were dispersing pepper spray on him, it looked like he was on the ground right there he was saying give me you hands, give me her hands, he wa not complying or could not comply at the time we know that pepper spray is not good and usually renders suspects pretty compliant freight again, that was a short clip we just showed you. it looks like they are still trying to handcuff him. we will have more video to come as we bring it in. we saw a few punches being thrown there, a couple of shots to the body. it was very hard to tell from that camera angle. let's bring in rob o'donnell, one of our law enforcement experts who is also following this story.

a little bit of that, again, it's hard to piece together in we had five officers over mc enany, there were some punches thrown, there was some spray used, your immediate reaction to that? could keep my immediate reactio is they had enough officers there to control the suspects freight it looks like a couple of kicks were thrown on the suspect. there were some punches. he wasn't handcuffed, so with this video it is hard to see ho noncompliant he was great but there were enough officers ther where they could've overpowered him without striking him in my opinion to cuff him. with this video being greedy an from a distance, it is hard to tell. we can put this together with the other body cameras, you wil be able to tell. he is on the ground, to kick hi on the ground is something that

we don't teach people to do, it's excessive. could get those we're my thoughts exactly. i don't like to prejudge this, these guys are innocent until proven guilty, they've been indicted and they are facing a lot of time. usually usually when you see a suspect on the ground like this one of the officers will get on the ground with the suspect either need to the back, some sort of pressure applied to the back or the arms, and they are able to subdue the suspect, usually it takes one, maybe two but to stand around and land shots, i'm not sure what is going on there. to get one of the problems with that is we could no longer put need to the back or put pressur on the back of the torso in new york city. him not sure about the restriction in memphis, but you cannot put pressure on the tors to control them to handcuff the because of the laws and regulations they have passed. that may play a factor here whe they go to trial as part of

their defense. >> you are saying police tactic have been hamstrung to that level where these guys can't ge on the ground with this guy end subdue him. yet they have to stand above hi and wind blows like that? >> i know in new york state based on the regulations that they have put, you cannot put pressure on the persons torso with your knee. it could be a factor and this. >> again, i want to remind the audience that we are getting this footage from the police department piecemeal. we have one video released and then another video, we have to turn that around and we have to edit for language but we're not doing any other sort of edit so we do have more footage we woul like to show you. let's see what we have. >> give me your hands. give me your hands. >> give me your hands.

>> watch out, watch out. can keep mom. mom. >> give me your hands. >> mom! >> i don't like the looks of it just got instincts, give me you hands, give your hands, he was squirming around, i don't see where they didn't just flip the over and put his arms behind hi back. i saw a couple of kicks thrown. with the you think they are? >> at no time did the officers attempt to gain they kept sayin it, but he wasn't cuff, but it doesn't look like their motive was to control the suspect into handcuff him at that point, but this is just a small snapshot o the incident in totality. that is what i'm seeing in the clip you just showed. >> it is tough to do this kind of clip by clip without seeing the whole thing, but again, it doesn't seem like they were making a huge effort to subdue this guy and an aggressive way.

it looked like they were kind o taking potshots while they were on their feet freight thank you much, we will come back back to you. bob, you have seen some of the tapes we have played so far, what is your heart saying? >> it is horrific. i believe as the other guys hav said we need to hold police to higher standard. my heart goes out to the families. i. a son at age 39, not under thos kinds of circumstances but i know what that pain is like. this is horrific. there are also people and this country who are going to exploi this situation for political purposes and do what they have done in ferguson. of the 51 people arrested for rioting in ferguson, only one was from ferguson and the riots in atlanta recently commitment of the people arrested for writing were from atlanta.

there are people that prey on situations like this in the danger is that they condemn all police because of the misdeeds of these officers and condemn this mantra that we should defund the police and that all police are agents of white supremacy and this other foolishness. for consequences, it increases the amount of violence that is going on. there are 6,000 children who ar murdered and shot every year in america come out last year 6,000 , only 20 people die as a result of the kind of outrage that we witness. 20. one is too many, but the fact i why is there outrage because in circumstances like this, and we are not outraged by the thousands of children that our dying, the youngest one, her name is ariana delay knee.

she was six -month-old baby being pushed by her mother in chicago and a bullet came and hit her in the head. a three -year-old girl was in houston, sleeping with a grandmother in a bullet came an hit her. she happened to be the niece of george floyd. we know george floyd, but we don't know her name. i think it's important for us t move beyond a defensive posture about how to prevent bad things from happening and that is why what we have done at the center is we have organized thousands of mothers who lost children to violence to speak up themselves and this and not just listen to sharpton or some of the other grievance they are saying we want the police in the community . they are giving voice to the 80 percent of african-americans who said they were against it. they have 23 chapters, we are partnering with the police and we took out a full-page ad in

usa today supporting the police. we are working with homicide to build a relationship between th black community and police. so we really need to get behind proactive efforts to improve th way that police interact with the community. that is an offense of strategy, so we think it is important to concentrate on solutions and no just use all of our energy trying to prevent bad things from happening. think we have more footage and again, we are getting it bit by bit from the police department. here is another vantage point from another body camera. watch. >> give me your hands, bro. give me your hand, give me your

hands. mom! mom! give me your hands, give me you hands. >> mom! >> that looks like there was a foot pursuit and the middle of that incident. it looks like he made an escape to his feet, and maybe went ten or 15 yards, tackled again and then hit with a flurry of kicks and punches by multiple officers . what you have to say about that? again, these are the actions of

a few bad officers and they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, but the way you prevent that is to build relationships between the community suffering the problem spread the more you vilify the police, the less they aggressively enforcing laws and there is a strong correlation between blessed police come up more violence, but the people suffering the problem are the ones who should give voice to solutions and the voices of black mothers chapters, we are sponsoring public events that bring children together with police. we have in certain cities mothers actually working alongside homicide detectives a the point of the murder so that they can act as a liaison between the families and the police and as a consequence we were able to close more cases because of the trust that was built. again, we have to move from a defensive posture to an offense of one where we concentrate on

doing more than preventing bad things from happening but enabl good things to happen which can only be done when we strengthen the ties between the people and these high crime neighborhoods that are losing their children, one mother lost four children, four sons to homicide bite before the age of 30. that has to stop. to get these officers, black officers and a black neighborhood, they were working on a crime task force, and they had really made a lot of arrest from when this task force was put up and running since october , they really cleaned up the streets, but not to watch this, this is hard to see and think we

terms of training, what is the exact police training tell to d your? >> depending on what they pulle him over for it seems like reckless driving as an arrestable offense. he just came out. your job as a police officer is to cure is quickly and without the incident as possible to put him down and handcuff him. >> our if you're not allowed as you said to put a need to the back or apply any pressure to the torso or anything like that

how would you have subdued that individual? >> that is why we see officers time and again resort to touris tools that don't always work, w have seen this, this individual was tasered, pepper sprayed, kicked and hit with his baton and was still able to run and flee several times, at least twice from what we see now. so we are seeing how these tool are not the answer. sometimes force is needed, but if these officers would have used the force to secure this individual out of the car, none of it would've happened. >> he may have been running at that point because he was scare out of his mind. >> it is not unreasonable seein the video that we are seeing an i'm sure that will come up in court. >> let's bring in the author of war on cops. heather, take us out the pictur

statistically, this is extremel rare. >> absolutely. this looks like terrible tactics . cops are desperate for more technical training and de-escalation and stress control . so they are not put in a position that they feel they need to use lethal force. instead there given diversity training. this looks to be a very terribl incident practice coming from the president all down that we are living through epidemic of that is completely false, president biden just said the criminal justice denies equal treatment to blackford study ou of study coming out of harvard, michigan state shows that there is no bias in fatal police

shootings, in fact, jesse, the percentage of white and hispani homicide victims is over four times higher than the percentag of black homicide victims that are killed by a cop. 9 percent of all whites in hispanic homes compared to 2 percent of black homicide victims who are killed by a cop. there is a massive black homicide problem, police are th solution to that problem, not the cause. when the police back up of proactive policing as they will in memphis and made you across the country, here is what happens. more black wives are last. in 2020, there were 10,000 blac people killed and murdered, tha is 3,000 more than the whites i hispanics combined, and that is because the police backed off, black homicide went through the roof, dozens of black children

have been killed. a police officer. >> and insane tragedy all of it. all of the desk from all of the abuse, and everything that results from something like thi and all of the other incidents we have been covering for far too long. alice johnson is the ceo of taking for. the criminal justice reform advocates and a resident of memphis. as a resident of memphis, what is on your mind tonight? >> we feel betrayed, this is an absolute disgrace. looking at the footage is more than i can even describe going feeling right now. almost all of my life, we are big city, and a small community. we care for each other. to see one of our very own be treated like this, it is

indescribable, for fear that i hear in his voice, the unnecessary beating that iac, i makes me cringe, it raises the hair on my neck to see somethin like this. >> it looks horrible to me as well. what is the relationship betwee law enforcement in the memphis community? >> the memphis community. i have family members who have been in law enforcement for man years, we had a good relationship with law enforcement in memphis, but thi is just a breach of trust, as i say, it is beyond a disgrace. i have to say that our chief of police, chief davis, she has really shown exemplary leadership by stepping up and holding these officers accountable, being transparent about things that our taking place, i can't say enough good

about her leadership, but in memphis, we just really need to at this time, we are grieving. i have sons, i have daughters, this is where all of my childre graduated from high school. i raise my children in memphis and graduated from memphis city school. disco then my son, daughter, sister, brother. when you have something like this, i'm not an outsider looking in, this is my communit and we are grieving right now. my words to another is just to hold onto god's hands. i pray that god will just embrace that family and give them confidence that only he ca give them because all of the words that we can say with a mother's heart is breaking like this to really see graphically what has happened to her childhood i lost a son in accident, it was nothing like

this. i had a lot of pain, but to see this happening to your child it is just indescribable. if i could even just take a little bit of her pain away fro her i would because i know it i overwhelming her. the thing i see now is don't dishonor this family by having violence erupted in the city. we have a special kind of love for each other. we can talk and before you know it we know somebody that somebody else knows. we are not separated from each other. this is a time for our community . i hope that we can come togethe to even just comfort each other to grieve together. our city is on a national spotlight right now and with th

spotlight, we are still going t be a city that will need each other to get over this and to really move forward with this motion and criminal justice reform, but for right now, we just need to hold onto each other, tried to look for tomorrow, what is going to happen tomorrow because right now, we don't need violence, we need to unite in love and believe that there is going to be justice for the evil that ha taken place. >> very powerful message, i hop everybody and the city hears that tonight. thank you for joining us. >> thank you, jessie. >> let's go out to steve harrigan life on the ground in memphis. steve, what is going on? >> on the ground, on interstate 65 which has been shut down by small group of protesters, some of them had yellow tape around the arms, others are wearing

vests, they brought out some pylons and they have shut this interstate down. a group about 200 people have taken control of the highway blocking it. we have been talking to people who are stuck here, ma'am, what you think about this? >> i understand what they're trying to do as far as protesting, but this is not a wise way. if an emergency vehicle needed to get through, they couldn't. >> she brings up a point, what if an emergency vehicle tried t get through, they couldn't. right now about 200 protesters taking over. no sign of police to break this up. >> we looked at some of the protesters earlier who had begu marching after we spoke at the top of the hour, did they look like professional protesters to you, people that you usually se at racial justice protest, or where these people coming out o the street from the neighborhood ? >> they are not an intimidating

bunch, but they have managed to stop traffic. >> have they seen the video, an what has their reaction been to the video? >> i think they are going by what they have heard about the video from other people. i see some commotion in front o us which looks like they some people are not that patient being blocked from their route, and we see a situation developing in front of us some vehicles not wanting to wait while these people in their bes tried to block traffic redkey that could be a dangerous situation. you find yourself on the wrong end of one of these vehicles, i don't like where this is going. please cover this safely for us and we will come right back to you. that looks like that could escalate pretty quickly. live spring in paul morrow, paul , just before we get into this, we are waiting on some video. these are the police now speaking to each other after th incident has taken place.

your reaction to what you have seen so far? >> let's go to tactics and dril down a little bit on that part in a macro sense, police are taught to ask, tell, weight, in that order. they don't always have to follo that order. this is a relatively minor thin could. it's a driving infraction. it goes right to them inking amount of the car, they are yelling yelling and not de-escalating. why does it matter aside from the fact that it leads to what happen, it's way out a policy s the fact that they are way out of policy right from the get-go shows you that maybe there is a lack of supervision, there's been a lack of in-service training so to my larger point does the tactic seemed to be so poor? i don't think this is necessarily going to end with a examination of just these five officers. >> you think maybe there was a culture in the department for this specific task force may

have been unleashed without a lot of supervision or training? >> i can't say that definitively , i don't know the entire background of it, but i can tell you that this thing goes on for a long time. from what i've seen so far ther is no there's going to be a lot of radio traffic, if they did not, that is a mistake as well. it gently with units like this, this is a unit that operates in plainclothes or an unmarked car this supervision has to be typed . we have got it here in new york city it's called the crime unit. this supervision of those units is tight. they are part of this fear, they're out there doing the gun stops, they are doing gun cases they are doing stuff that we really want police doing. what that means is you have to be closely supervised, the tactics have to be tight. people have to be rotated in an out regularly. i think aside from the obvious

here, and i have seen the video and i concur that they look bad i think there is going to be some examinations that goes on here. >> why would a pretty tough anti- crime unmarked car unit t go in and pull a guy out of the car for driving infraction. >> that is may be a little bit of i wouldn't necessarily say right off the bat they shouldn' been doing that. the way that they develop their cases is from the ground up. what we haven't seen and i woul be curious to see is the precursor video before all of this occurs, before they rip hi out of the car there. i haven't seen this. what is this driving erraticall allegation, we haven't seen that . to go as hard as they did here, you really have to wonder. it's a traffic infraction. >> and we are only getting the video as it's coming in being released by the police department. we don't have access to all of

this video at the same time. let's play what we have next, and again, we are warning that this may be graphic. >> give me your hands. give me your hands. >> tom! mom! mom! >> if we are hands, bro. >> mom! mom! >> give me your hands. give me your [bleep] hands. give me your hands, bro. give me your hand, bro. >> to hear hands, bro.

>> give me your hands, bro. give me your hands. give me your [bleep] hands. lay flat. lay flat. >> lay flat. lay flat.

>> of his lay that guy pretty winded. what about that give me your hands command over in over in over again, why wouldn't you be able to control the suspects hands yourself or with four other individuals. if somebody doesn't want to be, people don't realize how difficult it is. i'm talking about outside the context of this video in a normal police encounter. they have all the leverage on you it can be difficult, but certainly with five good-sized officers, they all look bigger then tyre here, they should hav been able to somebody should have been able to get on the ground with him, i don't believ memphis has that same law that new york city has 50 that's wha i believe to, with that bne, would that be an elbow, just a pressure weight against him x s you don't have to stand there.

get one cuffed on, get one cup when you have a situation like this, at one point he as calm enough in still enough that you can get the one cup on him. that gives you back the leverag because if you have one cup on him you can use that cost a sor of bend his arm back, it's not risky to him, it's not risky to you, 99 percent of the time tha will get you the compliance you see. >> i didn't see any cuffs come out. >> that's what i say that tactically this will be looked at closely. i think there will be a lot of retraining going great they pulled this entire unit out of service. i think before it sees the street again, i don't know how many people are in it, but i think there will be a lot of scrutiny. >> how you interpret some of th verbal commands? >> give me your hands, give me her hands as the right thing to say. you want to cuff impaired thing like stop resisting, et cetera. you want the hands where the problem here is that again the

motion of de-escalation, they start at full devcon five just screaming and that is going to excite the person you are tryin to control as well. sometimes you have to come asked , tell, make, but if it's calm and professional, most of the time that sort of attitude is contagious and you will get the kind of complaint you our hoping to get. >> we are showing you two different elements, the first incident where he is subdued an then pepper sprayed and then there was the chase and we are showing you a second incident post chase it doesn't make sens to me. it honestly doesn't make sense to me. i can't axley knit i just can't explain it. we have any of the footage of the officers talking amongst each other? list listen to this.

>> he grabbed my gun and everything. awsat him running. >> so we try to get them stopped, he didn't stop. stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. unlike what are you doing? >> we got more of a window into what happened preincident but what i heard was according to the officer he wasn't stopping he was swerving at their vehicles not really complying while he was in the car so that's why they pulled him out so aggressively. in heard chatter on that tape saying he was going for the gun.

>> he could've been going for the gun. i didn't see it, but you heard the officer say there were goin from gun. >> so we are seeing pieces of one or maybe legal pieces of several, but if you look at all five body cams, it is possible you might see that. as you say, i don't see that. what struck me is that just in body language sounds to me like one of the officers explaining what's gone on, which tells me there might be a boss there. i can't see, he might be outsid the frame. it looks like he's exley new wh he did what he did et cetera. the problem with that is going to be if it directly contradict you've got signed five differen views of this thing great you have a mix leaning something on tapered the body cams stayed on after the incident which isn't always the case. many departments once the incident is over that comes off. there will be all kinds of statements that are made.

those things are entirely admissible. it will be interesting as that goes forward as all five are prosecuted same level or with a look at it and say this guy has the least culpability. >> one of these guys is probabl going to cut a deal. how did you see this man's leve of resistance? >> saw a lot of squirming and squealing and yelling and get off me and crying out, i didn't see a lot of physical resistanc in terms of fighting. >> he is resisting in the true sense of that word, as opposed to throwing punches,. i would just reiterate that he is very hard to cuff somebody who doesn't want to be cuffed and it can look, that doesn't excuse anything like kicking or punching him while he's down, e cetera, but i will say sometime pepper spray and things like that when somebody is resisting

it looks terrible, but that is what is therefore. the pepper spray is there to keep it from escalating. did his level of resistance wil rise to the level of what happened? obviously not, and nobody will defend that, but i think. >> is he tased while he is on the ground? is that taser being deployed right now or is it on him? it looks like they tried to tas him later when he did the foot pursuit 50 it looks to me like that taser is pressed right up against his body in which case you can't deploy it. it's got to shoot out so if it' pressed right up on his body it's not going to happen. he get there it goes right there . >> that's right. >> it didn't look like it was effective at that point frisky either that or they missed. >> let's go back too so. we can hear some language from the victim again, this is graphic. watch. >> give me your hands.

>> mom! mom! >> give me your hands. give me your hands. give me your hands. to give me your hands for it ca get this was in his neighborhoo where he resided. reportedly the house is not tha far away and that might be one of the reasons he is yelling so loudly for his mother. it strikes me in the video that you just showed is that they ar outright punching and he's not doing that. >> that is not good. think it we are going to try to show you, i know it's the end o the hour, but with had this in bit by bit as it was stripped out by the police department in context as much as we can in it entirety, and when we have that

we will play it in full. let's do it. [bleep]. >> i didn't do anything. >> i didn't hurt you. to get all right, all right, al right. get on the grounds. get on the ground. get on the ground. >> i'm on the ground. get on the ground! >> get on the ground. >> we are really doing a lot. >> i'm just trying to go home. to give you don't lay down.

>> i'm on the ground. >> okay. i'm not doing anything. [bleep]. >> freeze. 2938. taser was deployed. >> give me your hands. give me her hands. >> mom! mom!

mom! mom! he give me your hands. give me your hands. >> give me your hands. >> give me your hands, bro. >> give me your hands, bro. >> give me your hands, bro. mom! mom! >> give me your hands, bro. give me your hands?

give me your hand. give me her hands. turnaround! lay flat! lay flat, god damn it! lay flat! lay flat, god damn it! >> all right. let's bring a retired nypd officer, bill stanton. bill, you saw the whole context there, your immediate reaction? >> well, when these officers see this tape, whether it's in trailer before hand, there's going to be a lot of "if only. if only i put my hands on the guy and i held him. if only i didn't hold the taser

to him. if only i didn't let him get away." what i didn't see was a quarterback on this. no one was taking lead, no one really put hands on him. they were all going to the ancillary equipment. taser, pepper spray, et cetera. old-school cops would have known how to handle this. active cops across the country handle this situation every day. the fact that this one gentleman just got up and ran when they were surrounded by police officers should not have happened. they could have put hands on him old school, put his hand behind his back, held him down. it's these onerous rules. you can't put a leg on their back, you can't hold their shoulders. god forbid your arm go around their neck. and that's why i think they did this. you have to look at their training, we have to look at the cops who were screened and whether history was. >> we don't know the protocols of what they are and are not allowed to do in this department. it's clear at one point they had the guy's arm three quarters of

the way around his back. and then they just stopped. that makes no sense to me. and when he was out on foot at that point, no attempt to make a tackle, either. can you explain that? >> i can't. it was like they were watching, looking in a fishbowl. they let him get up. i hate to monday morning quarterback, but back in my precinct in the south bronx, this never would have happened. >> we don't know the toxicology report. we don't know if this guy was on something that they hit him with the pepper spray and it didn't really affect him, and we don't have an autopsy from the city, an official autopsy. immediately, i didn't see any death blows. maybe it was an accumulation of blunt force trauma to the head. did you see anything that told you this was it? >> no, i didn't see anybody stomping on the guy's head, kicking him in the face.

i didn't see any of that. to your point, that may have been a mitigating factor. >> again, it's incredibly hard to watch. not good training, and we hold police officers to a much higher standard than that, and this is going to be adjudicated. as you said, this will go to trial. thanks so much, bill. stay with fox news to follow this breaking story. thank you so much for joining "prime time." ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome into "tucker carlson tonight." officials in memphis, tennessee, have just released body cam footage of a police encounter that followed a traffic stop. what you are about to see took place less than three weeks ago. the footage appears to show police attempting to stop a 29-year-old called tyre nichols for reckless driving. he seems to resist arrest. then after a struggle and what looks like a very significant beating, nichols died.