google agrees with this. no questions. google just took down project veritas' video exposing the pfizer executive on youtube. according to youtube, "we removed this for misinformation." what? makes no sense. but have a wonderful weekend anyway with the ones you love, and we will see you monday. can't wait. ♪ ♪ >> sean: and welcome to hannity. we start with a fox news alert this friday night. tonight we are monitoring the ground in new york city, in the city of memphis, tennessee, where just hours ago local law enforcement released body cam footage showing the incident that led to the death of tyre nichols, allegedly at the hands of five officers, now former memphis police officers. this video is extremely graphic in nature and now cities across the country are bracing for potentially night of violence. before we take it to the ground

in memphis, it's important to see the body cam and cctv footage. keep in mind, tyre nichols was pulled over for allegedly reckless driving. this was about 8:30 p.m. on saturday, january 7th, and initially was taken down by the police. he was not cuffed, and got up at one point and fled during an altercation. body cam footage shows a very lengthy struggle with the police, with tyre nichols, even after police deployed both a taser and pepper spray. there is a question as to whether the taser actually hit him, but this is a view or warning. what we are about to place extremely graphic. but take a look at the initial incident. start there. >> [bleep]! >> i'm not doing anything! >> [bleep]! turn the [bleep] around! >> all right, all right,

all right. >> you don't do that, okay? >> get on the [bleep] ground! get on the ground! before i tase you or [bleep]! >> i'm on the ground! >> lay down! >> [bleep]! [bleep] tase you! get on the ground! now! >> all right, okay! >> before i break you are [bleep]. turn the [bleep]. put your hands behind your back! >> okay! you guys are really doing a lot right now! stop! i'm just trying to go home! >> man, if you don't lay down -- >> get on your stomach! >> get on the ground. >> i'm not doing any -- [bleep]!

>> sean: as you can see come after that initial encounter, tyre got up and ran. as you also see, police then caught up with nichols in the incident became more and more physical. again, viewer warning, this is tough to watch. take a look. all right, it gets worse again. as he can see, he was pepper sprayed. one of the things that just comes out and pops off the screen to me is the aggressiveness -- there are five officers, one suspect, and the aggressive nature of this. at no time did anyone say, "okay, everybody take a deep breath." i'm not sure why that didn't happen. but here's another angle from cctv, their camera showing

nichols battling police as the memphis officers are kicking and at some points punching him, kicking him hard in the head. it appeared they were trying to get him cuffed while striking him over and over and over and over again. another body cam video following this incident, officers discuss their belief that perhaps nichols was on drugs. he was extremely high. and an officer claims that nichols was attempting to reach for his gun. watch. >> he grabbed my gun. >> man, we got him --

>> he reached for the gun. >> oncoming traffic. he stopped, drove around, swerved like he was going hit my car. so i'm like, god damn, what are we doing can i he stopped at the red light and put his turn signal on. so we jumped out the car. >> sean: now all five police officers involved, they have been fired and charged with second-degree murder. again, it's important to remember this video is horrific, but everyone is innocent until proven guilty. if you are at home, you are seeing a lot of what took place in this incident, and obviously there is going to be a lot of talk around the country about policing in general. here now with the very latest, he's on the ground in memphis, our own steve harrigan is with us. let's talk about what's going on

they are, first of all. i understand people have been gathering. so far peacefully, thankfully. let d.c.? >> no violence so far tonight, that they have blocked up this interstate 55. protesters climbed up a bridge and got on this highway. and they are blocking it in both directions. you can see trucks as far as the eye can see, just backed up. they have been chanting, "you take our lives, we take your money." evidently by blocking this highway they feel they are taking their money, making the protest felt. over the past two hours we haven't seen any police here. the police have issued a statement on twitter saying to avoid the area. there is a police action in the area. but there's no police action. about a mile down the road you can see some police cars, but it's clear a decision has been made, at least for now, to cede this ground and leave it to the protesters. they have taken control of this part of the highway in memphis.

sean, back to you. >> sean: steve harrigan in memphis tonight. also live on the ground, fox political analyst gianno caldwell. i understand you got a chance to speak with benjamin crump earlier today, the attorney. he's been outspoken on this case. i see a lot of people surrounding you. what is the general consensus of people there on the ground? what was the statement that m mr. crump gave you, and even your thoughts on what happened? >> well, the protests here have been rather peaceful, which is a sign of relief for the folks who live in the city. when me and my team first arrived in memphis, we looked through the area and drove around, we didn't see many people on the street. very few pockets of protesters. so i'm sure people at this time i very happy. earlier i spoke with benjamin crump, the family attorney for the nichols family. he was also the family attorney for george floyd. and here's what he had to say, sean.

>> benjamin crump, you have been the family attorney for people like george floyd, breonna taylor, michael brown, many, many others. there are clear differences here, but the response, the police response, the chief of police, this is clearly much different than those cases. what stands out to you here? >> well, gianno, it is the immediacy of action. the fact that they move swiftly to take action, determine if these officers, and then we saw the district attorney bring charges in less than 20 days. so that sets a precedent. when you see police officers committing crimes on video, anybody committing crimes on video, then you should swiftly move towards justice just like they did here in memphis, tennessee, with these five black police officers. that should be the blueprint going forward. it shouldn't take six months or a year when you've got video

evidence of police brutalizing a citizen. >> well, sean, as you can see behind me, the crowd is a little bit growing, but it is still peaceful. so we are thankful for that, and i want to send it right back to you, sean. >> sean: gianno, what are the people on the ground telling you? >> well, people here are satisfied with what the chief has done. chief c.j. davis, getting rid of the cops immediately, they felt the actions were swift, just like benjamin crump mentioned. so i think that may be part of the reason why it is peaceful now. people are feeling like there's a little bit of justice that has already taken place. as you mentioned, the officers are innocent until proven guilty, so we'll see, but right now i'm sure the citizens of the city are happy that it is very peaceful here tonight at this time, sean.

>> sean: all right, gianno. we'll get back to you throughout the hour. thank you. joining us also live on the ground in memphis, sara carter. tell us what's going on where you are. >> sean, i am here on the old memphis bridge. obviously the protesters behind me have blocked both sides of this bridge, traffic coming and going. i can show you overhear the trucks that are lined up behind me. they have been sitting there for hours. those tracks have been waiting. the protesters are obviously saying they're shutting down this bridge, cutting off the supply line to memphis. they want people to hear their voice, and of course tyre nichols, they want people to remember his name. i had an opportunity to talk to several of the protesters. now, although everything is very peaceful right now, the tensions are still high and there are still some concerns. the protesters are said that even if the police come up, they will keep and hold the line on this bridge.

take a listen to what some of the protesters had to say to me. >> there's a lot of concern that things might escalate. i see children here, i see other people. you don't believe that will happen? >> oh, no. in memphis we already have a lot going on. we don't need that. i am peaceful as is, so i'm out here doing a peaceful protest, and these people are very peaceful. by any means necessary, that's what i follow. >> i have no trust for our law enforcement. if you think you can kill me because you have a badge on, where's the trust? what should i trust about that? you know what i'm saying? it makes me scared for my life. >> sean, right now there's a lot of protesters, about 300 protesters. there are about 200-250 when we first came up on. we were walking with them. we saw more people arrived. the numbers could grow. right now everything is peaceful but i can see the police lights directly to the right of me. they are just holding steady, so

we've got about a mile of open space right now where the protesters are holding firm on this bridge. this is i-55, a major thoroughfare here in memphis. so i believe it'll only be a mother of time. we have police helicopters up above, too. below for the police come in and asked pe to disperse. >> sean: do you want to ask the people you what their opinion is of what they saw tonight as the tape was rel released? >> absolutely. we can come this way. let's see if we can get the folks to come and talk. excuse me, hello? hi, everyone. i'm here with fox news, going live right now on the air. i have sean hannity here and we are trying to get everybody's assessment of what happened. did you have a chance to see the tape today? >> i did. >> it went through your mind when he saw that? >> that could have been my son. >> i think that is what every

mother -- i'm a mother, too. i can understand how you feel. what are you hoping can happen tonight? what do you hope changes from everyone speaking out? >> i hope they change the scope of policing in communities. we need a better relationship with the community. but what we witnessed wasn't even policing. that was cruel. >> and that is something that a lot of young people have told me, that feeling of being powerless. do you mind if i ask your son a question? tell me what went through your mind when you saw that. >> it was sad, devastating to see that happen to another black man. it's black on black crime. >> right, and that's a pretty frightening thought, right? >> it is, ma'am. >> i hope you stay safe tonight. everyone stay safe tonight and thank you for chatting with me. with the first name? >> caleb. >> taylor? >> caleb. >> it's pretty loud here, sean.

that's caleb and his mother. you can hear that tension, that feeling of, what if this was my child? that's what i hear a lot from the families and the people that are out here, joining and hoping that the protests stay peaceful. >> sean: all right. sara carter in memphis tonight. thank you, and we will get back to you also throughout the evening. let's get to two other videos that we didn't get to see at the top of the show because of a technical issue, as you are about to watch. police caught up with nichols after a chase in the incident became more and more physical. again, you are warning, but you can see for yourself. >> [bleep]. >> give me your hands. >> you want to get sprayed? >> [bleep]. >> watch out, watch out. >> mom! mom! mom!

>> give me your hands. give me your [bleep] -- >> all right. >> [bleep]. [bleep]. >> give me your hands, bro! give me your hands, bro! >> [bleep]! >> mom! >> sean: and it gets worse. again, view or warning. take a look at your screen. here's another angle from a cctv camera showing nichols battling police as the memphis officers were kicking and punching him. it appeared that they were trying to get him cuffed while striking him over and over and over again. again, one cop walks over and kicked him twice in the head. take a look.

all right, you can see it. i think that's where the kick is right there. that's kick number one, and another to follow right here. and this is right in his head. remember, we saw the picture of tyre nichols in his hospital bed, and his face was just beaten senseless. so the injuries sustained were obviously enough to kill him. here with more is the host of -- cohost of "the five," geraldo rivera, and host of "lawrence jones cross country," l j's with us. and former d.c. homicide detective, ted williams. thanks for being with us. lj, let me start with you. you watch and you see this tape, and i know so many people in law enforcement, and i was looking for this. five guys they are one young m man. obviously they have the advantage. they are pulling at the stun guns and pepper spray, they are

mad, they are angry. at no time did i hear anyone say, "sir, sir, everyone calm down. we are not here to hurt you. we do have to take into custody. we really need your cooperation." tone can mean everything and i heard nothing but anger, real anger, and you see the physicality here. we are talking about five on one. that part, i'm having a hard time. that's not the policing that i believe officers are trained in. >> you know, sean, we've done this a lot. we review the facts, the evidence, we don't rush to judgment, that you can't deny what you see on tape. and i'm not just talking for myself, i'm talking about the officers that have been texting back and forth. when you brought me to the channel, i've been covering crime for a long time, so i know a lot of cops. i talked to them on a day-to-day basis, and they're all horrified. they want to wish their condolences to the nichols family. but sean, there were several things in this video that stood out to me. you come to the scene out of

control, out of control. you disobey police policy. you don't just roll up on a car like that. you don't know what the suspect could possibly have. you put yourself at risk, and then you slaughtered the suspect. you started to spray each other with the spray because you are not using it the right way. you use your taser the wrong way. you use your batons the wrong way. you didn't restrain the suspect the right way. i mean, that's just basic police protocol, and then i just can't get past the fact that you held the suspect up and you beat him. you took turns. you used your baton in the wrong way. and then i can't help but be annoyed by the fact that they fist bumped at the end. so they were many layers to this. basic police protocol was broken right here. they were on a power trip. and he didn't have to die that night. he was crying out for his mom. again, they have the right to defend themselves in the court

of law, but just from a tactic standpoint, basic police protocol -- sean, i started off when i was 16 years old as a police explorer. i know protocol, and they broke every rule in the book. >> sean: you know, geraldo, lj is right. he's crying for his mom at one point. he is literally getting punched and kicked and pepper sprayed and tasered, and there's five cops there. they are supposed to be the trained professionals in the situation. look, he was obviously scared, obviously felt they were being overly aggressive from the get-go, and said so. "guys, there's a lot going on here." early on. there is nobody there who even tried to defuse it, and then to watch as one cop just comes walking in, disgusted, and just kicked this kid in the head, not once, but twice. a kick in the head kills people,

geraldo. >> you know, sean, this is worse than five cops. this was a wolf pack. this was a cowardly, sadistic bunch of brutes who murdered a man right before our very eyes. that's the most easy thing about it. you are watching a dead man screaming for his mother. i mean, it's outrageous. it is the most pathetic thing i've ever seen. and where the hell was the police sergeant? where was the supervisor? you have these five macho cops out there who, i don't know how much training they had. their instinct was to lash out, to inflict pain, to torture this young man to death. it is -- really, it makes me want to puke. it's the most sickening thing i have ever seen in terms of

police brutality. and the way that the one cop kind of winds up and then goes 10-15 feet to land a blow, a kick to the victim's head, and then another kick, and the everyone takes a turn. and he's obviously defenseless. i mean, really. when i first heard the charges of murder, too, i said, "wow, that's pretty serious this early in the game." but when you see this, it is clear that this was a reckless for human life. this is murder, sean. >> sean: ted williams, like geraldo and like lj, i know a lot of police officers. i'm watching, and i see five cops around him, and i find it

almost spectacularly unbelievable to me that five trained officers, obviously lacking in a lot of training, that they can't cuff one young man and they can't control the situation, and they all -- seemingly, all of them -- most of them, anyway -- let their tempers get the better of them. they took it so personally. there was no attempt to defuse the situation in any way, which i believe easily could have been done. even simple jiu-jitsu 101 maneuvers could have enabled the police to easily cuff this guy. but none of them seem to have any of that training at all. the only training -- they only seem to be trained to be angry. i'm not sure where the anger came from. there are always going to be people during an arrest that

don't want to be arrested. that's part of the job. but them doing it professionally, it has to happen. that didn't happen here. why? >> you asked an excellent question. you have to first go back and ask where was the humanity of these police officers. the first thing we see in the first video, they are coming up aggressively to this man's car, and they don't talk to the man. they rip him out of his automobile, and they immediately start pepper spraying him. and then, sean, if you go to the video that was on the lamppost, you see how inhumane these officers are. they are kicking this man in the head, they are beating him, saying "show me your hands, give me your hands," while still the man is in pain. and he's calling for his mother,

and he says initially, when they took him out of that car, sean, he said, "why? i didn't do anything wrong. i didn't do anything wrong." sean, this is just terribly outrageous. sean, let me make sure we are clear here. black men and women who are dead, and children, are crying from the grave, "we didn't do anything." this is an excellent example, unfortunately, what has happened to black people throughout the history of this country. and i am very, very upset about these four or five black officers. black officers treating another black man the way they treated this man. you don't even treat a dog this way. this was just inhumane, and i think geraldo is right. where in the hell was the supervisor?

why wasn't the supervisor there on the scene, supervising the situation? you have to ask yourself, how did -- >> sean: ted, there wasn't one of these officers that had enough sense or training to stand back and objectively realize everyone is getting out of control, call for com, let their professionals and take over? talk him down, talk calmly, say it's going to be all right, nobody wants to get hurt, we want to make sure we take care of you, as well. we have our job to do, help us do our job. tone, cadence, all that matters in a moment like that. >> you are absolutely right, sean. >> they were amped up when they got there, sean. can i just say this, because i think it's important to say this.

cops are the only profession that are judged by the very few that do the wrong thing. they didn't just steal someone's life, they set the profession back. prepare for months of rage, for cops to be demonized over the actions of these people. they took this man's life. the other cops, the 95% that go out and put a badge on every single day, you have to remember, sean, we are already dealing with limited people in the profession. way to go, way to set us back. because now we are going to have to deal with some people stepping back as a result of this. >> geraldo, this is what's going on. in the profession right now we have a lot of experience police officers who are leaving the profession, and you've got these inexperienced cops out there that are doing the job. this is what is also going on in the profession. and yes, you are right,

lawrence, this sets the profession back. there are good men and women who put that uniform on every day and go out here and serve and protect the communities. these officers do not deserve to wear the uniform of memphis, tennessee. as police officers. >> not a chance. >> sean: geraldo, and this particular case, the suspect was african american, the five cops involved were african americans. there is a so-called news network, a comedy channel, i guess. you have than jones saying the police who killed tyre nichols were black, but they might still have been driven by racism. he says black people are not immune to anti-black messages. one of the sad facts about antiblack racism is that black people ourselves are not immune to its pernicious effects, and society's message that black people are inferior, unworthy,

and dangerous is pervasive." and it's not just van jones, it's the communication workers of america. it's npr, it's al sharpton, it's the attorney b benjamin crump, o are colleague gianno talked to earlier tonight. where does that come from here? >> you know, sean, memphis, tennessee, is where tragically, in april 1968, martin luther king was assassinated. since then, the city has been roiled by racial tension. it's now a predominantly black city with soaring crime. the police force is consistently undermanned. they are desperate for officers. they are searching for recruits everywhere. i don't know whether they have relaxed their standards or what the result is. all i know is that what my eyes tell me after half a century in

this business, dealing with law and order and cops of all colors. what i see here -- they reduce themselves to savages. i use the term "wolfpack" earlier. it was so uncontrolled, so undisciplined. so slanderous-the unprof unprofessional. lawrence is right, ted's english is poignant, and lawrence is right about setting back the shortage we have now with cops after george floyd and all these other incidents that have happened. it is so chronic. what the result of this will be is that that neighborhood will be more resentful of the cops. they will be more crime, it will be harder for them to recruit officers. this is a body blow to law and

law and order, to race relations. this is really awful. but if the protesters use this as an excuse to inflict more pain -- >> sean: geraldo, let me ask you. when you say it's a body blow to racism, where is the racial component here? now, there are good cops and bad cops, and to me it has nothing to do with race. their professional cops, as ted said, as lj said, as you said, who put on their uniform knowing they are risking their lives, and they go to work every day to serve their communities and protect their communities. that transcends race to me, and in this case there are just so many people trying to make this racial. as this case racial? because i don't see it. >> the point is, sean, i agree that what this does is strip

race from the question of police training and police brutality. but you cannot avoid the reality that these were five black men, young black men, macho, esprit de corps, filled with verve and grit, who joined the police force, and i look what they've done. >> sean: that's not what i ask you. >> my point is this, look what they've done now, the blow -- >> sean: let me go to lj. >> the blow they struck to the community. >> this is the humanity issue. >> sean: i'm sorry, lj. go ahead. >> it's a humanity issue, sean. i see where you're going with it. this is not having value for human life. this didn't have to go this way. whether he resisted or not, they didn't value his life. apparently they didn't value

their own lives, the way they showed up to the scene. you don't go up to a car that way. that's basic police 101. look, i agree with my colleagues that training is an issue within some of the police departments right now, especially when it comes to the numbers that we have right now. but let's not be confused here. these gentlemen were part of an elite unit, the scorpion unit. that is equivalent to new york city's anti-crime unit. it takes grit to be on there. i understand the job that they have to do, which is why they should have had the proper training to conduct that stop, and they didn't do it the right way. it was selfish on multiple levels, to the cops that serve and do the job the right way, but also, since people want to put race into this, sean, every black man knows about the talk that our father gives us, what you are supposed to do when you

are stopped by a police officer. we have gentlemen got the talk, as well as our black police officers. so they just didn't value life. they didn't carry about any of that in that moment. >> sean: all right. lj, thank you. ted williams, thank you. see 15, thank you. we go back to sara carter in the ground in memphis with some of the protesters now. sara, what's going on? >> hey, sean. i had a chance to listen to what you and lj and geraldo were saying, and i was kind of translating that over here. this is dr. cooper and a young man. they have both been here at the protest all night. we talked about this just before he came on with you, sean. he said this isn't about race. >> definitely not about race. this is about humanity. this is basic 101 humanity. we need to be able to raise our

boys to help the family raise their voice, so we are out here tonight and we will be adhered to make sure that we alleviate some of the pain that won't ever go away for this family. but we can share our voice and show that the police need to disband the scorpion unit that they have put together to do these vigilante acts against any mankind. >> i think that's a really great point and one that i keep hearing over and over again. these are peaceful protests, and you are a young man. when you see that video and you think about yourself, you think about your friends and your family, what goes through your mind? >> i just think it is sad to witness something like that as a young individual. i don't want to grow up raising my child to know that you've got to be scared of 911 or calling an officer. i just feel like it's a blessing to be out here to express how i feel that it.

by all means, we are outraged. it's sad. >> right. sean, this is what we are hearing so much. it's about families. he got a train behind us, protesters. i hope you all can hear me. but this is about families and about children. i keep hearing that over and over again. this is about making sure that everybody's child is safe on the streets, and about building trust with the police community again. you know, i think we are hearing here in memphis is that people want to be able to trust each other again, they want to be able to trust their police officials, and they want to be able to trust each other, and they want to get that message out. >> sean: all right, sara. send my best, tell the nice people you talked to that we said thank you. i think one of the hardest things that everyone is having a hard time understanding and what i can't get over is the lack of

professionalism and the utter brutality of all of this. there is something else, and that's called the legal aspect of all this. here to weigh in on this part is fox news legal analyst gregg jarrett. if you look at the statute for second-degree murder in the state of tennessee, that would be a knowing killing of another. it can also come from death resulting from the unlawful sale of drugs. first-degree murder would differ inasmuch as first degree is a premeditated intentional killing of another. manslaughter, involuntary manslaughter, is the intentional or knowing killing of another in a state of passion produced by adequate provocation sufficient to lead a reasonable person to act in an irrational manner. second-degree murder, a class a felony in tennessee, prison and a fine of not more than $50,000. it might be early.

it certainly is going to be argued in court. you are of legal mind here. we have situations like this where prosecutors overcharge, under charge, maybe get the charge wrong. you have seen the tape. what is your take on the charge, based on the letter of that law? >> they got it right, sean. second-degree murder in tennessee can also be defined as the intent to commit serious bodily injury resulting in death, and here, the videotape speaks volumes, especially the static pole camera which really shows a vicious, savage beating, resulting in death. i don't buy back the notion that these are insufficiently trained police officers. i think these are well trained officers who got angry. "how dare you resist our rest?

how did he run away? and now you're going to pay the price." with a vicious, savage beating. this is a guy he was reportedly 140-150 pounds. they've got these barely five police officers beating him with a baton, striking him repeatedly, fist to the face. then you've got that one police officer who is kicking him in the head, not once, but twice. of course somebody is not only going to be seriously injured, but they are likely going to die. so there is an intent element here. these five officers charged with second-degree murder breached every rule in the book that they are trained under. they failed to de-escalate a confrontation. they failed to subdue a suspect. other police officers failed to intervene. and then, as he's dying on the

ground, as nichols is fighting for his life, they fail to render aid, and they have an affirmative duty to do that. by the way, where was the sense of urgency when the medics finally, belatedly arrived? it's as if they just didn't care either. i understand they had been suspended. perhaps they should face some criminal charges, as well. so this is a horrific case, but the second-degree murder charges are absolutely 100% merited. >> sean: gregg, i agree. one thing i might have a slight disagreement with you on, again, this was an elite group within the month is police department memphis police department. if you are trained, you are trained to expect a moment like this, where someone is either agitated, alarmed, resisting, freaking out a little bit,

scared, not complying, they don't know what's going on. i mean, that's basic training. and with the professionalism never kicked in that i saw, i didn't see that kick in. >> they didn't want it to kick in. >> sean: well, they will pay the price. thank you. now, as usual, i really have a hard time understanding this, the left are crying racism over the death of tyre nichols despite the fact that all five officers in this case involved in the incident are black and were subsequently charged with second-degree murder. that didn't stop radical cnn contributors i mentioned earlier, van jones, from pending an op-ed entitled, "the police that killed tyre nichols were black, but they might still have been driven by racism." of course, serial race baiter had these comments.

take a look. >> this is an outrage. and race still is involved. george can you and i spoke about on the phone. i don't believe that five cops would have done that to a young white man on a traffic stop. if you and hear with reaction, larry elder. fox news contributor, leo terrell. they are both lawyers. three questions and one for both of you. one about the legal aspect and the charging. i was just talking to gregg jarrett about that. secondly, the issue of, is this racism? more than a few people have been claiming that loudly. thirdly, your overall reaction to what we are seeing here. i'll start with you, leo. >> thank you very much for letting me address this question. i want to address your question directly. you asked it to the other panel. is this a body blow to racism? he is the answer, very clearly. no. why? there was no racial component to

this case at all. these were bad officers, regardless of race, who basically murdered a black man. this upsets the democratic playbook, al sharpton, van jones, who only see whitecapped, black victim. police officers are in all different colors. this is not 1955. but the democrats won't let it go. i'll tell you right now, they are upset, so they have to create a race issue. i want to be very clear to all the panels you had on, there is no racial component to this case. there are bad black officers, white officers, yellow officers, brown. it's excessive use of force, bad police misconduct. secondly, i think gregg jarrett is absolutely correct. second-degree murder, why cannot reckless disregard of human life. those officers had a body blow and they were striking. they intended to inflict deadly

harm, imminent harm to that individual's life. finally, how do i feel? i feel hurt. i have a sister-in-law enforcement. those five officers disgraced the uniform. i will tell you the hardest part of watching this whole thing. and a man yells for his mother, it is a formal sign of, help me, i'm hurting. every time i hear that, it affects me. >> sean: the hard part to me is watching what are supposed to be trained officers, larry. they are supposed to be pros. there are five of them, and one young man on the ground. they have full control if they want it. did they just a breath. they never stood back, they never let -- i didn't see professionalism kick in. but i will ask you the same thing i asked leo. >> well, i feel the same way, sean. at least five people couldn't

figure out a way to subdue the suspect, i have no idea. the bottom line is nobody but nobody is defending their actions. these were five black police officers, the suspect was black, the police chief is black. there is zero evidence whatsoever that whatever happened to tyre nichols had to do with his race. for van jones to inject race, and for al sharpton to perpetuate the notion that the police are systemically racist, it doesn't matter the race of the officer. officer does something wrong, it is to set to grace them produces two negative consequences. number one, you are encouraging suspects, particularly young blackmail black black male suspects, to resist. it didn't document it all over the country, when there's a high-profile death or killing, the police pull back, and there are what are called excess deaths. people murdered he wouldn't have

been if the police had been proactive. and the majority of these excess deaths are the very black people that people in the left claimed they care about. the other thing is, mr. nichols' mom -- >> sean: larry, i want to go back to a picture we just put up on the screen. and that is tyre nichols in his hospital bed with what looks like a respirator, just prior to his death. he was beaten brutally. you saw the cop running up and kicking this young man in the head, and then doing it again. and the punches that are thrown. i am just -- i am stunned. as a father, as a human being, that this was so preventable and unnecessary. and i saw no professionalism

here, larry. i love cops, i defend cops. i can't defend what i saw on those camcorder tapes tonight, and i don't think anybody can. >> sean, absolutely. i started out by saying i don't see a single person defending with his officers did. let me point out something, the police kill more suspects who are white every year, and more unarmed suspects who are white, every single year. tyre nichols' mom said it pained her that the officers involved here are black. well, as leo pointed out, there are two kinds of cops, good cops and bad cops. both of them come in different colors. when you call 911, you want a good cop to show up. you're not saying you want a black cop or a nation cop or female, but a good cop to show up. we should deal with these on a case-by-case basis. one more thing, we need perspective. i'm in l.a. the worst police scandal in the history of a city that's had many police scandals is the rampart scandal, the one that inspired the movie "training day" starring denzel washington.

70 officers were involved. that sounds like a lot, but it was 1% of the than 7,000 police officers in the city. so we have to deal with these on a case-by-case basis and not yelling systemic racism. as i said, it causes suspects not to comply and please to pull back. both have really bad consequences. >> sean: larry, leo, thank you both. i wish we were debating politics tonight and not the death of the human soul, a young man who had his whole life ahead of him. we appreciate it. we'll get to memphis and only a minute. we will switch gears for a second here. also earlier today, newly released footage from the very strange violent attack against nancy pelosi's husband, paul. take a look at your screen. around 2:00 a.m., an overweight man with a hammer, believed to be david depape, is his name, seen here breaking into pelosi's residence in san francisco. a short time later, paul pelosi, who was home alone, called 911 as he was seemingly held hostage. it is clear that this guy with

the hammer in his hand right next to paul pelosi is listening to every word when he made the call to 911, trying to give every indication, "hey, i'm paul pelosi, i don't know who this guy is, he's in the house," and thank goodness the dispatcher, probably trying to piece it together in the early minutes of this call, figures out there's a problem and sends police that responded in a very short time. anyway, listen to the 911 call. >> this is san francisco police. do you need help? >> well, there is a gentleman here just waiting for my wife to come back, nancy pelosi. the capitol police are around? they are usually here at the house. protecting my wife. >> note, this is san francisco police. >> what do you think?

he thinks everything is good. i've got a problem, that he thinks everything is good. >> okay. call us back if -- >> no, this gentleman just came into the house. >> what's the gentleman's name? >> my name is david. >> his name is david. >> okay. and who is david? >> i don't know. with that? >> i am a friend of theirs. >> he says he's a friend, but as i said, i have never -- >> but you don't know who he is? >> no, ma'am. >> sean: "i don't know who he is. he says he's a friend." "he's telling me i'm very leading, i have to stop talking to you." usually the capitol police are around and they usually are here at the house protecting my wife." "no, this gentleman just came into the house. he's telling me not to do anything.

i don't know who the person is." then the police arrived, very quick response, 2-3 minutes based on accounts, and here's what happened. >> hi. >> how are you doing? what's going on, man? >> everything's good. >> hi. >> drop the hammer. >> nope. >> hey, hey. >> what's going on right now? >> [bleep]! >> backup, code three. >> give me your [bleep] hands! >> sean: depape turns out to be an illegal immigrant from canada and he's now facing state and federal kidnapping and

assault charges in a delusional and rambling statement he told e wanted to kidnap nancy pelosi. here now with reaction, foxy's legal analyst gregg jarrett is back with us, along with fox news contributor's jason chaffetz and joe concha. greg, we had spoken about this case before, and the early indications were that ma maybe -- why did he not run out when the police were there connect because the guy was right next to him. he didn't have a choice, and he was trying to hold the guys hammer back. police didn't know what they were coming into. they said, "put the hammer down," he said, "nope," and that's when the attack was instantaneous. paul pelosi a total victim in this case. i have to give credit to the 911 operator. she's putting pieces of a puzzle together, he is sending coded messages saying, "come help me, i'm not allowed to talk here." but he was a hostage and it was scary, horrible. shouldn't happen in this country.

and where were the capitol police? she is second in line for the presidency. why weren't there police there? >> well, they have capitol police cameras, and they are supposed monitoring those cameras. i agree there should be security at the home even though she's not there. but the videotape is absolute proof of the defendant's guilt. he has pled not guilty. that will change. he will likely plead not guilty by reason of insanity. which, under california law, is a disease or defect so severe that you either don't understand the nature of your crime or you cannot distinguish right from wrong. i guarantee that's going to be the plea. the burden is not on the prosecution beyond a reasonable doubt, but rather, the defense by a preponderance of evidence have to prove this mental disease or defect. it's probably not going to work. only 1% of defendants try the

insanity defense, and in very few cases it succeeds. they will probably have an expert say he suffers from schizophrenia and paranoid delusions, he didn't understand what he was doing. jurors have a tough time buying that. >> sean: you know, jason -- i don't want to talk about januari understand that everybody on that panel, especially when jim jordan and jim banks were not allowed on it, wanted to go after donald trump and blame him. but they missed an opportunity to say, how do we prevent what happened on january 6th from happening again? there was no committee to look into the 574 riots in the summer of 2020 that killed dozens of americans, injured thousands of cops and billions in property damage. but we should have come up post january 6th. how do we secure the perimeter around the capitol? i would say wrought iron and those big cement barriers like they have at the white house,

but they never got to that part because they never talked to the capitol police chief sergeant-at-arms. nancy pelosi or muriel bowser, none of them. i think that was a missed opportunity. here we have the capitol police have cameras, they weren't being monitored, number one, but this is a person second in line to be president. it's the president, it's the vice president, and if, god forbid, something happens to both of them, it's the speaker it becomes president. >> i am so glad that paul pelosi is still with us. he was a hostage, he was violently attacked, and i feel for the pelosi family. as much as i may disagree with them politically, no family should ever have to go through that. but i'm also outraged that the capitol hill police cannot get their act together to protect the senior leadership in this country. we need to protect supreme court justices, we need to protect cabinet secretaries, unfortunately, and the senior congressional leadership. two years prior at the pelosi residence people were able to go

up to it and actually deface it by spray painting things all over it. the idea that they would be left alone, that somebody could walk up and beat on that door and get into the pelosi home, that's outrageous. that should never ever happen, and the idea that it happened two years prior and they didn't do anything about it is more evidence there needs to be a congressional probe, because nobody should be able to get into kevin mccarthy's home or mitch mcconnell's home or chuck schumer's home, and certainly not the pelosi home. >> sean: joe, i will open it up again for you. if you want to weigh in on the media coverage, especially what's going on in memphis, as it relates to this. things that have been said, how this is a racial case, from fake new cnn. or if you want to weigh in on what happened to paul pelosi. it's a miracle. he got hit hard in the head with a hammer. surviving that is not easy.

thank god he survived. >> well, regarding memphis, sean, i know it's not even on a clock in that city yet, but it is at least comforting for now to see that these protests have stayed peaceful despite that horrific video we saw. it's just utterly outrageous, and i am sure many people, rightly so, are angry from what they saw there. it's good to see that cooler heads are prevailing as far as these protests are concerned, and as for what van jones -- sharpton has said, that those are racial attacks, it's 31 flavors of stupid. they play the race card from the bottom of the deck, and of course they will turn everything into race even when you have five black police officers and one black victim. as for pelosi, sean, when reports of this attack broke a few months ago, i had argued on this network -- and i wasn't alone -- that the best and most effective way to get answers to the questions surrounding this incident, and there were many, it was for police to immediately release the body cam footage right away. it would just release all that

ambiguity. instead it took nearly three months for that footage to be seen by the public. and by slow-walking this, just as police did following paul pelosi's dui arrest, it only grew louder in the conspiracy theories were profoundly stupider. but the questions still remain, like how did this crazy person come off the street, to jason's point, and bacon to the person who is the third entire in the country? i get that she wasn't home, but one would think that given there was an attempted murder of brett kavanaugh at his home earlier that year, that this would be fortified to the hilt at all times, including human security. and i will leave it here, by the way. why was depape even in the country? he should have been deported years ago. he overstayed his visa by 14 years, sean. i'm glad paul pelosi will be okay. he did a great job de-escalating the situation.

but if we had the body cam footage out in november instead of now, all these crazy conspiracy theories never would have come to light. >> sean: that was a great point, very good point. gregg jarrett, jason chaffetz, thank you, as well. we go back to memphis where our own gianno caldwell is live. apparently has one of the protesters with him. what's going on? >> yes, he was just telling me he is concerned that, even though this is peaceful right now, that the rage could start at any time. >> there's lot of hurt in the streets of memphis, tennessee, right now. this is organized noise, but for all the people who are just seeing the tapes of the young black man who experienced that every day of their life with the scripting unit. yeah, i believe it could be more to it. it's going to be a lot of anger. so we will see how the following days play out. >> that's the word, and i'm sure

a lot of folks have been happy to see that the pc experience here , but there is concern that things will happen after this. it is still early in memphis. back to you, sean. >> sean: gianno, as i'm watching this -- you are a friend of mine. you lost a family member. your brother was killed, senseless violence in chicago. i can't even imagine the pain that this family is going through. you probably can relate to it, because your brother was innocent and he was murdered in the streets of chicago. >> unfortunately i can relate to, but i will tell you, one of the things that i appreciate his justice, and these men, these police officers will have their day in court, but ultimately what people want his justice, just like i want for my family and my baby brother, christian. >> sean: all right. gianno caldwell, as always, think of being with us.

great reporting tonight. the a to for all the people protesting peacefully, we hope that continues throughout the night and we will monitor all throughout the evening on the fox news channel. stay with our continuing coverage, and we are going to hand it off now. unfortunately that's all the time we have left. thanks for making the show possible. we continue with fox news live coverage right here on the fox news channel. please stay with us. >> i'm shannon bream in for laura ingraham. it is a special breaking news addition of "the ingraham angle." late tonight memphis police released graphic body can footage. he was pulled over in a traffic stop on generally seventh. he ran from police. you can see it all in these videos. once police caught up with him, the very graphic video shows and being held down, kicked, punched, pepper sprayed, and screening for his mother. he died three days later.