tv The Ingraham Angle FOX News January 27, 2023 7:00pm-8:00pm PST
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great reporting tonight. the a to for all the people protesting peacefully, we hope that continues throughout the night and we will monitor all throughout the evening on the fox news channel. stay with our continuing coverage, and we are going to hand it off now. unfortunately that's all the time we have left. thanks for making the show possible. we continue with fox news live coverage right here on the fox news channel. please stay with us. >> i'm shannon bream in for laura ingraham. it is a special breaking news addition of "the ingraham angle." late tonight memphis police released graphic body can footage. he was pulled over in a traffic stop on generally seventh. he ran from police. you can see it all in these videos. once police caught up with him, the very graphic video shows and being held down, kicked, punched, pepper sprayed, and screening for his mother. he died three days later.
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five now-fired memphis officers are facing charges of second-degree murder, aggravated assault, kidnapping, misconduct, and oppression. we will go to memphis in moments where steve harrigan is standing by. first we turn to fox news chief breaking news correspondent trace gallagher. trace, what more have we learned about what happened that night? >> shannon, the video covers two separate scenes, but the first scene, the video picks up right before tyre nichols was pulled over for reckless driving. the thing is, we don't see any evidence of reckless driving or erratic driving. if police officers somehow fear that tyre nichols is posing a threat, the officers appear to violate protocol, which is to protect themselves and ask him to exit the vehicle. instead they go right up to the car, they pull him out, and immediately try to push into the ground. in the process, nichols is apparently pepper sprayed with some of the spray getting into the eyes of the officers on the scene, and they either tase him
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or try to tase him. it's unclear if it actually works. and here is what the attempted arrest sounded like. watch. >> i'll tase you ask not get on the grant! now! >> all right, okay! okay, dude! dang! >> put your hands behind your back! >> you guys are really doing a lot right now! stop! i'm just trying to go home! >> they hold him down and then finally tyre nichols gets loose and runs away. the officers gave chase that they cannot catch him. several minutes go by before another police unit spots and catches nichols. officers from the first scene and then proceed to the second scene, and at that point we are told that tyre nichols is only about half a mile from his home. but the police encounter at the second scene is captured by both body can video and memphis police department video from a
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mounted camera on a light pole. you can see where officers throw tyre nichols to the ground and two officers grabbed his arms and put them behind his back and begin punching him. another officer is kicking him. he is clearly unable at this point to defend himself, and even when he's finally back on the ground, you can still see officers going up and kicking him. it's hard to make out what tyre nichols is saying, but we know for sure that he's asking for help and apparently calling for his mom. listen. >> mom! mom! mom! mom! >> the body camera video is very damaging. he to see here the pole video shows a wide skein perspective of exactly what police are doing and how bad the three have a minute beating was. and there is the final issue, shannon. while nichols is on the ground
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you can see police officers just standing around. there's no urgency in getting him any medical help, and it's not just the five officers. if you take a wider look you can see there are eight, nine, maybe ten people on the scene, and nobody appears to be screaming for help. bottom line, it's hard to tell what initial threat there was to police that justified the initial response, or really what prompted the beating at the second scene. tyre nichols is 6'3", weighs roughly 145 pounds, with no criminal history, and aside from the beating, police officers i've spoken to say the memphis officers not only broke the law, they violated numerous police policies, which tends to indicate a lack of training and/or a lack of supervision. shannon? >> shannon: all right, trace. we will see you from our coverage that the night and on "fox news @ night." we will go to steve harrigan standing by. you have been through many of these situations.
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tonight, what can you tell us about the protests? tyre nichols' family has pleaded for them to be peaceful. what are you seeing? >> we have seen peaceful protests, but certainly some annoying protests, especially for a lot of truckers. they are just beginning to move. about 300 protesters managed to block this interstate 55 for about two or three hours. a small group, really, just lining the roads and blocking tracks, blocking traffic. a lot of people trying to get home and truckers trying to do their business. they were chanting, "you take our lives, we take your money." that was the rationale for the blockage. they started to march away now. after a three-hour takeover of a section of highway, traffic once again beginning to move. it hasn't been violent, but they have made their presence felt. the police kept their distance. it looks like a decision was made by the police to just let them chant and yell themselves out and control a section of the highway for a few hours' time. shannon, back to you.
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>> shannon: steve, thank you very much, and if you stick around, we will come back to you. join me now, if you watch these videos, it is excruciating. you are watching somebody being victimized by people that we trust to have the duty to protect our communities. these men are facing charges and they were swiftly fired. they were wearing body cameras. that's why we get so much of this information. is it your sense that they felt justified in the behavior that they carried out, and what we witnessed now in these four tapes? >> i don't know if they felt justified, but there's absolutely no justification for what they did. i will always be the first defender of police when they are accused improperly, but from what i know in this case, these are five criminals in police uniforms assaulting a man who was committing a minor viol violation. there is no excuse for this. >> shannon: there is a lot we
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don't know. as trace pointed out, when we started the first video, they were already rolling out the officers to a scene where they had already been some interaction. we don't know what led to that point. but later when they catch up with him after he has run from them, there is such an enormous amount of response. 8-10 officers, estimates at some point. why that many to deal with one person? >> i really don't know, but i can tell you that what is lacking is supervision. i don't see a sergeant there. with a number of police officers responding to a violent occasion, they should definitely have a senior officer, at least a sergeant, to supervise what's going on. this was a really egregious incident, and i will say that the memphis pd and the mayor of memphis did exactly the right thing. they reached out to the community, they were transparent, and they fired the officers on the spot, even though that's not protocol normally. i think it was the right thing to do.
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>> shannon: there has been praise even from benjamin crump, the attorney, one of the attorneys assisting the family in the situation, saying that this should be a model for how quickly the police department worked. and also about how the district attorney worked. i think we have a little bit of what he said, about how this played out. >> can we look at how fast the police chief of the police department terminated them? and we look at how swiftly the district attorney brought charges. this is the blueprint going forward, for any time any officers, black or white, will be held accountable. >> he talks about the swift response here. we have covered cases like this. you've tracked in the past, where there have been weeks, months, even years sometimes before the video comes forward.
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there is full transparency, and it seems to only delay the inevitable, the suffering that will happen for the community when it's finally released. on top of what happened, the underlying crime, there is the pain of feeling that they have been misled, or that this has been hidden from the community. what do you make of this swift response? is that, as benjamin crump said, a real model for how other departments should handle something this horrific and get it done? >> it is a model. of course, each case is individual and has its own facts. but in this case, i think they did exactly the right thing. i had a similar incident when i was commissioner. i immediately reach out to the community and i immediately worked with the u.s. attorney to get the four officers who were involved indicted, and they all ended up going to jail. so what is important is to maintain confidence in the community, to let them know this is not the norm for police officers. this is really aberrant behavior by criminals in police uniforms,
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and they need to be dealt with as quickly as possible. >> shannon: we know the vast majority of men and women who take the uniform on in any law enforcement agency and head out there, the vast majority do in the very selfless and honorable way. as you said, when there are those who violate that trust and commit crimes, the musty quickly called out and tried. thank you very much for your time. >> good to be with you, shannon. >> shannon: joining us now, nassau county police commissioner and randy sutton, retired police police lieutenant with the las vegas police department and founder of the wounded blue. this is brutal. there's been a conversation about why to release it on a friday night. he's been a build up, we have been warned about how bad it was, and those of us who have watched it now no. unfortunately the description was very accurate. it seems so far tonight that people are peacefully protesting. but what do you make of the timing of this release and how it's playing out? >> there is a lot that goes on
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behind the scenes that the world doesn't get to see. chief davis and her team down in memphis did a great child. they briefed us three times this week, all the law enforcement agencies around the country, they got a briefing from the chief and her team, giving us the heads up so we can prepare. as she was also preparing for possible unrest in our community. so the timing of it, it's a difficult choice. nobody can pick the right time. there's never a right time to give bad news to anybody. that chief davis and her team did a good job getting it out tonight. as you can see so far, everyone is staying calm. the message is out in front and we will see how the rest of the weekend goes. >> shannon: randy, you a and i have unfortunately had this conversation, because there have been other cases like this, and we fear they will be more cases like this in the future. my late father was a law enforcement officer. his nobody hates a bad cop worse than a good cop, because the scholars the ability for a video
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to go out safely and do their jobs. when you've got a community and people who have been hurt and are wary of you and don't want to cooperate with police, how much bad as this case done for the good men and women in uniform? >> you hit a very important point. what we have seen here is another watershed moment, i'm afraid, and law enforcement. rodney king was a watershed moment, george floyd, and now we have this debacle in memphis. as a police trainer, i spent many, many years as a trainer watching what unfolded here in memphis was horrifying to me. i saw a horrifying policing, bad techniques, out-of-control officers. no supervision. no leadership. and this is a recipe for what just took place. it was a feeding frenzy, and it
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was policing at its worst. i can tell you this, from my sources in memphis, the rank and file realized that these individuals went way, way overboard, and they support the actions of the chief, and that doesn't always happen. so i am proud of the memphis officers recognizing this misconduct. but there is a lot of other issues here, shannon, that we can go into, referencing their training, hiring. an investigation needs to take place into the hiring practices that were taking place when these -- none of these cops were more than two or three years on. so if they were all hired at about the same time, and it's a symptom, it really needs to be addressed. that is something down the road that the memphis police leadership need to take a look
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at. >> there are a number of investigations, state and federal, that will dig into these issues. and clearly make suggestions about what should come next. i want to play what benjamin crime, the attorney for the nichols family, said about race and police culture. here is his take. >> racism and bias is the institutionalized police culture. it is not just the police culture, it's the justice system. you don't see officers doing this to white citizens, because our court system has said that they value white life more than any other life. >> against that backdrop, i thought it was interesting that the police chief in memphis, c.j. davis, said she thinks this actually is not an issue of race. she said it's about human dignity, integrity, accountability, and a duty to protect our community. what do you make of that part of the conversation? >> they want to make it about
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race, but the truth of the matter is our job is to protect and serve all the people, no matter your race, religion, gender. we are out there to serve the public. these high officers threw that out the window today. they decided that they were going to go above and be better than the law. what they did in the attack on mr. tyre is way above the training. muscle memory, pack is how you play it, everything went out the window. they let their emotions take over and they tarnished the shield, ruined the reputation of all the good men and women out there in law enforcement that work hard every single day, and go out there and take the risk. it's hard enough to retain, it's hard enough to recruit, and now it makes it even more difficult. that's why we need the support of our local politicians like we do here in nassau county. >> shannon: yeah, for the good folks out there in uniform trying to serve the community. commissioner, randy, we think you very much. please don't go far. the five fired officers now
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facing a slew of charges, including murder and kidnapping. former prosecutor trey gowdy is here to break it down for us. stay with us. your joints... or your digestion... so why wouldn't you take something for the most important part of you... your brain. with an ingredient originally discovered in jellyfish, prevagen has been shown in clinical trials to improve short-term memory. prevagen. healthier brain. better life.
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in the rest of 29-year-old tyre nichols and his killing are now facing a slew of charges. here's the district attorney. >> here are the charges. second-degree murder, aggravated assault, aggravated kidnapping resulting in bodily injury, aggravated kidnapping involving the possession of a weapon, official misconduct through unauthorized exercise of power, official misconduct through failure to act when there is a duty imposed by law, and official oppression. while each of the five individuals played a different role in the incident in question, the actions of all of them resulted in the death of tyre nichols, and they are all responsible. >> shannon: joining me now, trey gowdy, host of "sunday night in america with trey gowdy," and an experienced prosecutor. you have walked through these kinds of cases before.
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innocent until proven guilty is a guarantee of our justice system, but it was really difficult to watch these tapes tonight. what do you make of the charges pending so far? >> shannon, it was physically revolting to watch those tapes. if you are not moved to the depth of your soul by watching an extension of the state, an extension of the state -- we give police officers powered. they are not born with it, we give them that power, so they are an extension of us. to watch an extension of the state beat a helpless man to death, if that doesn't move you to the depth of your soul, you may not have a soul. murder 2 is a knowing killing. i'm sure some are wondering why this is not murder 1. technically it could be. it's not premeditated, you won't convince a jury of that. it is a caring during the course of a serious felony. he mentioned kidnapping, that's a serious felony.
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but you don't want to do is charge something that you're going to have a difficult time convincing to help people live. you can get 15 years to 60 years for what they are charged with, and my guess is if they are convicted they look at the top end of that. so do not jeopardize a not guilty verdict. do not give any juror a reason to say, "well, it wasn't premeditated murder." charge we can reasonably proven that his murder 2. >> shannon: charge what you can prove. i want to mention that the attorney general, merrick garland, talked about a federal civil rights investigation under the color of law statute. what does that mean and how is that different from what the state is doing here? >> yes, and both can go forward. there is no double jeopardy when the feds pursue one cause of action in the state pursues another. i know there's a prominent movie out there and people think about double jeopardy but it's not double jeopardy. they are different sovereigns. the color of state law is just as i was explaining, acting
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through the power of the state. these five individuals have no power except what they have been given, so they are acting on behalf of the state. they have taken someone's life. we have seen other cases where the feds stepped in, and in my own state of south carolina it was the feds convicted dylann rooff. so in a perfect world they work together, and you go where you are most likely to get a conviction if you are prosecutors, and oftentimes that is federal court. >> shannon: i want to play something quickly for one of the attorneys of the family, and get your response. >> i do anticipate more charges. i won't say what the state attorney is going to do, but i will say that, in that room, that was absolutely discussed. it has not been ruled out. i can't guess what they're going to do, but is there any question that more charges should be
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brought? in my opinion, in this person's opinion, there is no doubt. >> shannon: the question has been whether they will be more charges to these officers or whether additional officers or other personnel on the scene may be charged. what is it go from here? >> it could be either one. for the life of me, why would you get someone suspected of a minor traffic offense and put them on the ground? it doesn't happen to you and me, shannon. when we get stopped for speeding, could it be the officer that said "i want you to stop him?" the closed caption say stop, but that's not what he said. could it be that they are considering murder 1 to a grand jury? anyone who is around this, anyone who held mr. nichols, anyone who had a duty and failed to do so, is subject to potential criminal culpability,
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and i hope the d.a. charges everyone, upon which probable cause exists, and i wish him all the luck in the world getting all the convictions. >> shannon: you know, that's all about having done it yourself. trey gowdy, thanks for lending us some of your expertise tonight. >> yes, ma'am. thank you. >> what happened in memphis is obviously tragic. i've seen the video myself, and i will tell you, i was appalled. i am struggling to find a stronger word, but i will just tell you i was appalled. the fbi, working with the justice department, takes great pride in our color of law investigations, and we will pursue, as was already announced, and investigation here. we would do it professionally without fear of failure by the book, as i think is expected of us. >> shannon: joining me now, chris swecker, former fbi assistant director. the fbi says a color of law investigation and civil rights investigation will be ongoing
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into this. what can you expect about how that may proceed? >> the fbi has been investigating these types of cases for decades. it's under title 18 of the u.s. code. it is acting under color of law, as trey gowdy just explained, which means acting under your official duties during the course of your official duties, exercising the powers that have been conferred upon you, but exercising them in an unconstitutional manner. you are depriving someone of a constitutional right, under the color of your official position. in this case, their life. so it's a parallel investigation that the fbi will run with the state investigation. the state is obviously already indicted. i don't think the feds will come in and actually indict if there are significant sentences handed down, but if there is an acquittal or not significant sentences handed down, they will sleep in behind this prosecution and levy their own endowment and
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their own prosecution federally. >> shannon: chris, what do you make of this so-called scorpion unit? it was a group that was really supposed to be cracking down on crime. there are those who said there weren't bad reports about this group before, but they felt these officers were acting in a way that's completely inconsistent with training with what we expect of police officers. >> i wouldn't be surprised. based on what i signed those videos, if we don't find out there is some history with this unit. when you have specialized street units that operate semiindependently, plainclothes, unmarked cars, that sort of thing, and they are on the street all the time, they need to be closely and proactively supervised. in this case i saw no evidence whatsoever of supervision. what i saw was angry, undisciplined, unsupervised men with badges eating on somebody. and nobody stepped up to issue any orders of supervision, and i think that goes beyond just these five officers.
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i saw eventually five or so more officers mingling around, all talking and fist-bumping and that sort of thing. i sense a cultural issue here with that unit, and if we find out they have a history there, you can see the city and the department get sued. >> shannon: chris, at one point when we were watching these videos, they were discussing -- i think at this point, tyre nichols is propped up against a car. we understand it took 20 minutes or so, maybe a little more, for any kind of medical help to show up. did these men have a duty in that interim to be providing him some kind of assistance or medical care to the best of their training while they waited those professionals, the medical professionals? >> they absolutely did, and even the medical professionals, when they did show up, didn't do anything, it appeared to me. i think they've already been suspended. so there was a duty to provide
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medical aid, or whatever emergency aid they were trained to do. the problem here, i see no evidence of training. i see incompetence, two officers can't put handcuffs on a guy who is sort of resisting but not armed and not punching and not trying to harm the officers. he's just not being compliant. i see no evidence of training there. it's like they took five people off the street and give them badges and commitment and said, "hey, go hit the streets and be cops." it's bizarre. >> shannon: chris, quickly, can you give an estimate or a rough timeline of how long you think it a federal investigation would take? we have seen it in a matter of months, not days or weeks. >> they move a little bit slower, but they will be looking at the same evidence that district attorney in whatever agency investigated this case, they'll be looking at the same evidence. i don't think it'll take a month. i think they'll put the full
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court press on, and you will see this, they will be ready to indict in a couple weeks. >> shannon: chris swecker, thank you for your time. we appreciate it, sir. >> thank you, shannon. >> shannon: up next, keeping an eye on protests all across the country. we will go live to memphis in moments where one journalist has been walking with the protesters all night. we were taken him next.
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we initially started at a local park here downtown memphis called martyr park. from there we made our way to the letter i had five are they shut down traffic both ways. that connects arkansas and tennessee. in the traffic was backed up for miles. one thing i've noticed is very interesting is the police are taking a hands-off approach, meaning that there's really no police presence. we were talking to some of the truckers and people stuck in traffic saying that they were trying to get out of the protesters, but no law enforcement was present at all. >> shannon: i want to play something from tyre nichols' mother and his stepfather, pleading for, head of the release of the body cam footage. here's what they had to say. >> i want each and every one of you to protest in peace.
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i don't want us burning up our cities, tearing up the streets, because that's not what my son stood for. >> we want peace. we do not want any type of uproar. we do not want any type of disturbance. we want peaceful protest. that's what the family wants, that's what the community wants. >> shannon: it seems like protesters are honoring that tonight, getting out and sharing the message and making their voices heard. but really staying in line with what his parents had asked for. >> that's correct. so far there have been no violent confrontations. they have just been some chanting. the police community, but there has been no confrontations. again, it has to do with the police staying away and allowing the protesters to just be able to march peacefully. so far, again, no confrontations, and it seems
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like it's a new chapter. taking a hands-off approach, from a distance, watching how the protesters evolve into the night, and not being confrontational. >> shannon: anthony, thank you for giving us that inside view. we appreciate it. big cities across the country knew that tonight there was a potential for trouble with the release of that body cam footage. it is brutal. they plan for it. from capitol hill to philly to new york, police ramped up staffing and anticipation. let's go to our west coast newsroom live where christina coleman has been tracking all those details. good evening, christina. >> good evening, shannon. the nichols family and community leaders are calling for piece tonight. they want justice for tyre nichols, not people explaining the situation. the 29-year-old father leaves behind a 4-year-old son and a community coming to terms with not only his death, but the graphic video of this incident.
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his family said he loved sports, photography, and sunsets. his family said he was just a few minutes away from home when he was beaten by officers on saturday, january 7th. nichols was pronounced dead three days later. various members of law enforcement across the country have condemned the actions of the officers in that video. just tonight, several police unions including the los angeles police detective lead dominic league said, "the killing of tyre nichols at the hands of these police officers is repugnant and the complete antithesis of how honorable law enforcement professionals conduct themselves every day." the officers accused of the brutal beating have been fired and charged with second-degree murder and other felonies, but letting the legal process play out does not seem to be of interest to some. antifa put out a bulletin calling for violence even though
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tyre's own family has called for peace. >> we want peace. we do not want any type of uproar. we do not want any type of disturbance. we want peaceful protests. that's what the family wants, that's what the community wants. >> i don't want us burning up their cities, tearing up the streets, because that's not what my son stood for. >> that's right. >> if you guys are here for me and tyre, then you will protest peacefully. >> shannon: and president joe biden released a statement that said, in part, "those who seek justice should not resort to violence or destruction. violence is never acceptable. it is illegal and destructive. i joined mr. nichols' family and calling for peaceful protest." in some business owners have boarded up their shops as they braced for potential riots. in georgia the governor declared a state of emergency added this weekend. the order calls for 1,000 national guard troops and officers in new york, austin,
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and here in los angeles on monitoring the situation in their respective cities. just a side note on this, shannon, as someone who has covered a lot of protests and police-evolved incidents, number of people who view the video of the body cam footage said the officer seemed angry when they approached his vehicle. i can tell you those officers also. they are comfortable with her actions that night. even the officer who kicked nichols while he was on the ground. so it's going to be very interesting to learn more about these officers and whether there has been any complaints filed against them in the past. shannon? >> shannon: yeah, the videos clearly speak for themselves, and the message is horrific. thank you very much for tracking all that for us. the release of tonight's body can video reopening the debate about police training and reforms. where do you go from here? then we will take you back to memphis where protesters are still gathering after seeing the brutal body cam footage. steve harrigan is on the groundd anan end he will bring us the
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♪ every search you make ♪ ♪ every click you take ♪ ♪ i'll be watching you ♪ - [narrator] the internet doesn't have to be so creepy, the duckduckgo app, lets you search and browse pria blocking most trackers all forf your search history is never tracked, so it can't be shared. and when you leave search, duckduckgo helps keep companies from watching you as you brows. join tens of millions of people making the easy switch by downloading the app today. duckduckgo, privacy simplified. (upbeat music) >> shannon: this is a fox news alert. protesters marching in cities across the country after tonight's release that body cam footage of the arrest and beating of 29-year-old tyre nichols. he died three days later. five former memphis police officers are facing charges of
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second-degree murder, kidnapping, and assault. let's go back down to memphis west fox news senior correspondent steve harrigan has been standing by tonight. it sounds like so far, so good, steve. >> about 300 or 400 protesters managed to block a section of interstate 55 for about three hours. police let them take control of that section of highway and chant for a few hours. that crowd has pretty much melted away. you can see the downtown area functioning normally here. they were real concerns that the tape could spark violence here in memphis. so far, it simply has not happened. a number of merchants boarded up their windows, but there have been no reports of violence, no reports of injuries, and they are also concerned that releasing that tape of violence on a friday night could play into protesters' hands. officials were worried about schoolchildren being disturbed in the middle of the week, but so far that bet seems to have paid off. a quiet friday night here for
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the most part, in part because the government seems to have acted really swiftly. they are getting praise both from the family and the family's attorney, saying on the one hand that they fired the police officers, they arrested them, they charged all five with murder. both the family and their attorneys basically saying this was a good first step so far. we need to see convictions, but the fear of widespread and serious violence here has not materialized. shannon, back to you. >> shannon: steve, thank you. so glad to hear that so far. thank you very much. the death of george floyd, remember, sparked the defund the police movement and protests in 140 cities across the country. more than a dozen people died and that destruction caused up to a billion dollars for insurance companies. now that the body cam footage in this case, the tyre nichols case, has been released, how will the country respond this time? joining me now, victor davis
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hanson, senior fellow at the hoover institution. victor, they will be conversations about police, about retraining, about defunding. where do we go in making a real difference so these cases don't happen again? >> i think everybody is horrified, but they are bewildered, and all the old answers are found wanting. people are bewildered right now, because how can five trained officers not subdue one person without killing him? it doesn't make any sense. and we are told that obviously was a lack of training, but this was apparently a special unit that was highly trained, and it didn't come from just the top down. it came as a reaction to communities that were paid on by career criminals. so the idea was to help people, but it turned out terribly wrong. and then, as it happens now in america, everything is not about race, that all the participants, the victim and the victimizer, the overseer, the police chief, were all of one race. we seen that in california where
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he had a mass shooting at monterey park, and in half moon bay, just 20 miles from where i live were six people were murdered. we were told it had something to do with race but it had nothing to do with race. after george floyd, the logical answer we were told was to defund and cutback the police, and we did that, and we have the worst crime wave in 50 years. and who suffered the most? almost 9000-10000 african americans were murdered last year because the police pulled back where there was not enough police. so i don't think any of these reactions have worked, and people don't have solutions. in a perfect world, rational people will say we need to get higher standards for training, we need to make sure that the police are monitored by both the community and their administrators in better fashion, that we need more communication and to raise more trust. but after people watch these videos, and they have watched the reaction to the police the last few years, the opposite will be true. there will be people who don't want to join the police because they feel that they either don't
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want to be part of what we saw on that tape, or they feel -- the 99% of people who would never dream of that, who are professionals and law enforcement, are going to be stereotyped as capable of doing that horrific deed. so it will be harder to recruit people, harder to get the police to protect vulnerable communities. when people try to bring in the racial element, it was so strange, it was almost surreal. i think we have to start from zero and try to say, you know what? we have a problem with a spike in crime. here is the solution to it, and we have to work together. but i don't see logic and reason necessarily winning out. except in this case i thought the parents and the family were very judicious and did a great boon to the united states by calling for calm. i think their calls will be respected because they were sincere and they had the
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interest of the country at large. so that was something that i think we didn't see before. that's a start. >> shannon: and i know in the past there have been families who said to please be peaceful, and the complaint often in these cases, people from outside these communities came in who are not simply about the protest and raising issues and asking for justice. there were people who are not directly involved in these issues, but simply wanted to use them as an advantage or an effort to take advantage, trying to bring about not justice but other selfish means. i want to play something from tyre nichols' mother. here's what she had to say about these police officers who have been charged with killing her son. >> i just want to ask for prayer for my family, and this whole community, and i want to say to the five police officers that murdered my son, you also
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disgraced your own families when you did this. but you know what? i am going to pray for you and your families. >> shannon: victor, i've got 30 seconds. your response to that mom's statement? ysticker it was a voice of wisdm and she should be admired and praised for her calmness and her sympathy for people who really didn't deserve it, because they murdered her son. but she rose about that. that's the attitude we all are going to have to have. we have to discuss and very honest terms while you have this crime wave and how we deal with it without becoming criminals ourselves. that's the paradox. >> shannon: she sets an incredible example. victor davis hansen, thank you very much. we've got to go. mom! mom!
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